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yugimudo
post Jan 12 2017, 10:58 AM

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Eh, I am one of the people who quit my job and doing online business.

Last month i get to sell 10 pieces but this month none yet.

If you want to start a business, just do it. Why the fark you want to be so calculative? U better do it when u r single, better if u r married coz u can leech ur wife revenue a bit.

See, the tricks is work hard. If u r employed, work hard, same when u r doing business. Dont just stare at your business, learn to improve. Watch youtube, buy book n ebook. If u hav more money, take seminar or coach.

Doing business is fun. If it fun for you, then do it. Just that definition of fun is different for different people. Im not the type of fun that is sex drug n alcohol. I like when a strategy worked or when i beat the odd.

Yeah, there even a saying if u have never fail business then u are not a businessman yet.
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post Jan 12 2017, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(homicidal85 @ Jan 12 2017, 10:55 AM)
alright /k. you heard TS. jom semua makan gaji saja.
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I actually dread on this prospect. Our job market is not improving. If I have to do low end job, i better start a business now. Do it when failing does not matter that much.
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post Jan 12 2017, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 12 2017, 11:00 AM)
that is the story he tells you. in fact, that is the story all successful businessman tells you.

they will never tell you the real story & their true secrets.

You don't even know who is behind Jack Ma.
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Bro, it is the same formula for everyone.

First u learn to talk business language, then u use it to build a network. The better ur network, the better ur business will be.

That is why when doing business, u r not limited to staring ur sales and revenue. U have to do the other things like improve network, improve ur marketing, improve ur social. Then when u have strong core of a businessman, people will likely to collab with u.

Actually, it is just the same dance as working as employee.
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post Jan 12 2017, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 12 2017, 11:03 AM)
if your business no need much money or you have the money to splash then feel free to.

assuming you can handle the stress of 24/7 thinking about your business.
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Meh, the way u want to go with doing business is not focusing on business itself, but focusing on u. When u improved, ur business will improve.

The reason u are stuck 24/7 with ur business is lack of knowledge. Keep studying and research. Improve urself, then u will find it easy to do it.
yugimudo
post Jan 12 2017, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 12 2017, 11:13 AM)
they way you say it either you running a small business you don't really care if it fails because the stake is low or your running a Billion dollar corporate with full staffs & assistance to handle to day to day business operations and you just need to consult & sign.
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Bro, some of people i met, loss a lot more.

They themselve is not from wealthy family. But they survived. That is why knowledge is important.

I am not refuting ur words on working first then do business but to avoid it altogether is also wrong.

Anyway, maybe u can mingle out more, talk with those who at 5th year doing a legit business. I think they are at the right time, exp enough but still have a long way to go. They are more than happy to share their knowledge and exp.

Just so u know, even if u want to be an employee, u also need to learn almost the same thing. Social, technical, management. Unless u aim to be a cashier until ur grankid, if u dun have these, u r screwed.

Anyway, just to counter balance ur gloomy perspective on business, just remember this, I am one of the million of degree owner that is literally unemployed. There will come a time where ur company will sack u for cheaper alternatives, or because they downsized, no raise in years, and even increase ur workload without paying u more.

Job security? Have u ever heard of company that will not fire or let go their employee, even their best one? Thought so.
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post Jan 12 2017, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(Lazarus7181 @ Jan 12 2017, 11:46 AM)
Yes, in fact, if you are comfortable with what you are doing and living, I'm pretty sure everything is fine and anything can be worked out in the near future.

All the best to you then.
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I think people are forgetting 1996~1999.

My father is one the people got VSS. Till now i resent Sapura for it.

Well, I am not cursing people to get VSS or worse, laid off. But it is just a proof that being an employee is not that rosey.
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 12 2017, 11:51 AM)
easy way is ask them would they make a different choice if they had one (i.e not venturing into business). 9/10 will tell you yes unless they really successful and money is all they care)
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Ur logic is flawed. If they care about money, why do business in the first place?

Every veteran who do business understand that business only give the potential to earn a lot of money. Being an employee is u guaranteed to earn money. Business u hav to spend money to earn some, employee earn money to spend.

9/10? So far the 1/10 that i have met is very positive with what they are doing. Some are still learning like me, some are teaching for fun.

But actually i dont mind people staying to be employee, just like i dun mind people want to rent house forever. As pity as i can be for those guys, i still need them to be my future employee, and i need people to rent my future real estate. I also pray everyday our economy to flourish so u all got big fat bonuses then buy my products.

Dun hate the game.
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(saigetsu @ Jan 12 2017, 12:14 PM)
if you have to explain, then you are not a successfull businessman
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What do u mean by this?
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post Jan 12 2017, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(Wassupman @ Jan 12 2017, 12:18 PM)
it has nothing to do with being born rich here... its about whether can he do the business or not right....
anyone whether rich or poor also can make it out there despite whatever situation wan ma...
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This.

I actually said this to a guy who do business more than 20 years.

I say they are born rich, they have good start.

Well the bro said almost the same thing. He ask me back, if that guy does not know how to run a company, doesnt his company will shut down in month?
yugimudo
post Jan 12 2017, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(Wassupman @ Jan 12 2017, 12:36 PM)
exactly... rich kid have the upper hand of having what they want easily but it doesnt mean they can do well despite having the opportunity to be exposed more...

on the other hand poor kid might not have all the opportunity to do anything but they value what they have and in fact this point might give them the upper hand to do even more better...

i dont know if ts realized many of billionaiers started off with poor background... not all are from rich family.... im talking about those that are really successful and started by themself... not those inherited business ok...
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But that is one of my reason to do business, to have something for my kids to inherit.

The founder cry blood tear. How many corpse they have to climb to build a stable business. One of the perk is that ur kids can inherit ur wealth and have a good life.

Employee, they cant give shit to they child. They can pay for college fees or buy pay for their first car, but that is it.

Like I said, Im not saying which one is better. Finding out whether business is for you is a part of knowing yourself.
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post Jan 12 2017, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 12 2017, 01:26 PM)
remember back in those days you have to shed blood, but it's a free for all market with lots of untapped business waiting to be explored. it's like Gold Rush or Black Gold Rush.

nowadays, human has yet evolved to a newer level, as such, markets getting smaller as big players continue to grow & outpower smaller players.

for example, do you know any land in Malaysia that doesn't belong to anyone? all lands belong to someone, those that don't, belongs to the state's ruler.

unless for example human can start to listen to wider range of sound frequencies, the potential of music is very limited as you only have so much tune to work on.

Malaysia market is already all dried up. For your grandfather era, maybe many people have a chance at making it big, but now, you not have to face your piers, but also the established big players whom's too big to push.
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You said this but let me open all possibilities back for you:

1. Music

I think "watch me Nay Nay" and Drake song is stupid and joke as a song. Im not even able to label them as music at all. But im just a dinosaur, younger generation love those music. You can always find a way if you are true enough to your music genre.

2. Big player vs Small player

My God (Allah) this is the most archaic ways of doing business. Im not sure u realize but a lot of Big Player have been wipe out. Nokia is one of them. Like u see Aeon make Daiso, but u tell me does Daiso wipe out RM2 kind of business? Their model is the same, selling at fixed price. Why they are not fighting head to head? Because Daiso add another USP, their item is from Japan. So, u RM2 need to worry about Daiso? Of corz not, u buy item from frikin China, which mean ur item cost less. The only way this happen if u open a cafe and want to challenge big guys like starbucks. That is on its own is stupidity. In fact, small player has mobility advantages. U can change ur direction and policy easily to follow market trend. Big guys have hard time to do that. Example Nokia, they did not adapt fast enough to android. Even Apple is looking like a fuktard now because they din want to change.

3. Land is owned by people.

This a stupid things to say. I recently looking for land to do a small farm and my God (Allah) a lot of land is put to sale. U dun even have to buy it, u can lease the land but the one thing is farked up about thus country is that people dun want to do high tech farming. People rather stay in cubicle than do a farm with fertigation system. So the problem is not the land is owned by people, but people themselve dont want to work the land.

4. Big players are to stay.

Again, like I mention about Nokia. You be surprised that big player have their own demon. And if you see really carefully, a lot of company is not run by their founder anymore. This will limit creativity and innovation which in fact gives opportunity for small players to shine. If you dun believe me, look at your company. When is the last time your company do an innovative things that make u go wtf? Chance are they never do. They just do same things over and over again while cutting cost.

P/S: Remember, play ur strength. Small players has its perk, Big player also got their perks. If u small, don go head on, work around them.
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post Jan 12 2017, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(Germanwine @ Jan 12 2017, 01:57 PM)
A real business man dont think like that la ts, real business  man think how to improve  their products, improve  quality,if u have confident towards  ur product  u dont think bout how  u gonna pay u employee, bonus or other things. Cuz u earn more than  u expected. If u dont really  have  confident biut ur product,u will be goyang like what ts describe.
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Actually from my reading and chatting with them, real businessman just improve themselves. Marketing, product development, and sales are done by the team they formed.

That is why I want to become one. It is like u r doing your best to increase ur talent as a whole.

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