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This post has been edited by melizino: May 9 2017, 06:24 PM

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So the question would be, if you are rich / have insurance , how you decide either to go private OR gov for cancer treatment?
if no insurance and no money, don't talk about private, you don't even able to pay deposit.

Why private?
1) no need to wait
2) specialist treatment
3) greater consultation, more option
4) lower risk of failure

the only disadvantage that private might have is their equipment

why government?
1) better equipment

Disadvantage?
1) you need to queue and wait everytime you walk in
2) you need to make appointment (in and out) very frequently
3) those doctors treat you like white mouse
4) lousy consultation, less option
5) high risk of failure

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Hmm, this is just too general a question to make a choice. It all boils down to a few circumstances :-

- What type of cancer? (you'd be surprised that some government hospitals are more experienced at treating certain types of cancer than private. Likewise private will also be better at other types. Not only that, even within the sub-govt or sub-private, certain "brand" hospitals will be better at certain cancer treatment types than others. Go research, go ask around, etc)

- Which doctor is where? (some doctors are both in private and govt, so if you trust a particular one, then by all means follow him/her wherever they are at) *i will follow youuuu...follow you wherever you may goooo*

- How much money do you have? (obviously if you are dirt rich, might as well open your scope to international treatments. If you are dirt poor, then no choice but govt. If you are in between, then only this question arises and I cannot choose for you, because only you know your own circumstances)

- Hospital location (somewhat tied down to the above. If you are rich enough your scope just expands. But if you are tied down, or do not have the time or resources to travel to a far hospital, then what choice do we have?)

That aside, there are also other form of treatments apart from hospitals, such as alternative medicine or TCM. I am certainly not endorsing them but what I am sharing is just to give you options and expand your mind to the choices available. Living a healthy, holistic lifestyle will also do good to your body. Cancer treatment also entails your emotions, interpersonal relationships and support. All the best!

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You sure? I have been to private and the waiting can be just as long =p

Which hospital are you referring to please?

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Sorry but I do not want to badmouth hospitals in your report lol

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Wah 15k for operation is consider cheap. Which private hospital is that? I want to know.

Last time I got one relative go for op at private hospital, cost him 60k.

the 15k is for bladder op lorr,
for the cancer treatment , she's still undergoing .
wise to say its 20k up until now.

I am interested to know name of hospital.

Last time my relative went to surgery, anesthetist alone charge was 5k for 1 hour op.

That's why I am so amaze that the charge is so low.

I'll add in my 2 cents. My dad passed away from cancer, specifically in his lungs and nasal cavity. My grandmother passed away from stomach cancer. My other grandmother passed away from colon cancer. My uncle died of bone cancer. So maybe my words have some merits.

My opinion is that the treatment is more or less equal. The edge private hospitals have over public is the luxury of speedy services and private rooms.

If you can't afford it, public hospital is the way to go. Be prepared to wait. Sometimes cancer can't wait and in those cases like my father's he got priority so that's good too. But you won't be as comfortable as you'd be in a private hospital.

If you can afford it or if you're insured against cancer, then by all means go for private. You'll get more attention and more comfort, which sometimes can mean the difference between life and death.

As for me, I took up a personal insurance against cancer, get checked up often and lead as healthy a lifestyle as I can. If I get diagnosed with cancer, I know I will go for private hospitals.

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The only problem with government hospitals the process to detect the cancer is slow.

If you don't have much money, my suggestion is go to Private Hospital first to check whether it's cancer or not.

If it's cancer go get the first chemo at the private hospital and transfer to government hospital.

title is : CANCER TREATMENT

Do you sure you wait there? Seriously?

Imagine you have cancer, you walk in there and wait the hospital to assign doctor for you?

Usually cancer cases, doctor consultation assign by appointment , they give you DATE and TIME. You don't just go in there and wait.

If it is your first time, then you will call up and make appointment with the particular doctor that you prefer, you can search and browse their expertise before you select them.

if you are only sick (fever), of course go where also need to wait lar...aiyo

If got the money/insurance, of course la private

my uncle has metastatic colon cancer, currently in a govt hospital in Selangor.

I really pity him on the inconveniences he's had to go through in the whole time of him being there since he was first diagnosed a couple of years ago.

Keeps getting turfed around, operating theatre always full and not enough doctors available (specialists)

heck, he's at a very urgent stage now for a CT scan, the earlier the better, been trying to get him to CT scan since Monday, hospital say no slot, need to wait until Friday (hopefully no more further delays after that)

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Like all illnesses, not just cancers, msians are very lucky as you will get treatment no matter if you got money or not... Unlike some neighbours, you die if no money...

Having said that, everybody knows the pros and cons of both the public and private healthcare system...And since the main difference is money, therefore decided based on your financial means....

The worst is families selling their assets and going into debt to pay for treatments they cannot afford....When they can get similar care free in gov hospitals....

Learn to differentiate between the EFFECT and COMFORT of care....Money often have no impact on the former...

as you know, gov hosp will prioritize gov servant. the higher the grade, the higher priority they will get in the queue.

my sister gred is 50++, yet she still have to go to private because of the queue. lucky for her, since she's high ranking official all expenses at private are claimable giving the reason gov hosp can't cater for treatment.

imagine if you gred is in the 40s or in kumpulan C or B, or you are just factory worker.

that is not true....

however, like all things msians, if you know people, you can find jalan....nothing to do with your grade....

private definitely. It's not the illness that kills in public hosp, it's the waiting games that kill. But this statement is only true if you're insured or you're really wealthy.

my dad is undergoing treatment for leukemia at private hosp and until today, cost has come up to about 100k +-. But thank god he's insured. Though there's still waiting games at private hosp, it's much more bearable compared to gov hosp IMO.

And yes, service. Private hospital is able to provide you with comfort. it certainly helps in the patient's morale aspect.


But it's a shame really, where private hospitals in malaysia only cater to middle - high income citizens. Gov should make insurance policies more affordable for lower income people.

This post has been edited by Johannlo: Jan 13 2017, 01:52 AM

Depends as there are 3 types of hospitals in msia, each with their pros and cons

Private, Government, Semi Gov

Private:

Pros:-
1. Fast, in 1-2 weeks get dy
2. Service
3. Very good at "common" bread and butter cases.

Cons:
1. Expensive, a mid range op can hit 20k , major ones heh
2. Not very good at "uncommon" non-bread and butter cases
3. Private dirty habits, make you stay longer to earn more monies.

Government

Pros:-

1. Cheap, probably the cheapest healthcare in the world
2. Doctors can escalate depending on need, say they open you up and found something another doctor is good at, they can call out for help and get that specialist to come in.
3. non-bread and butter cases, hence the term "experiment". these cases private wont touch coz too hard, too rare, too whatever.

cons:-

1. doctor choice is like them lucky draw, OT day can be anyone of the large doctor team they have
2. LOOOOONG wait (not all)
3. Basic treatment, you go in, their goal is to get you up and running asap, how good u feel with the service is no fuck given.


Semi Government

Pros:

1. Fast , 2 week wait and cheaper at 50% lower than market rate
2. Doctors are often senior government practitioners who are as good as outside
3. Basically any positive government thing la,

Cons:

1. Appts are always after working hours
2. Its still a government hospital, so no hotel class service


Basically its not to say one is better than the other, they are all good for their own things, i go government for some stuff and get treated faster than private but not for cancer la. so erm ya

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ok let me smoke some weed first. ok here goes...

Do you even consider Public Hospital as Hospital in the first place??
Im a very demanding person and when i heard people said Malaysia Public Hospital is World Class and Cheapest in the world, ok i agree that it's the biggest white mouse lab for human but to call it a hospital?? not yet.

The only hospital i think is world class standard is Prince Court hospital.

Please do not go to Public Hospital for early diagnostic and treatment if you have cancer. two of my dearest relatives had died of cancer because of the fault of public hospital doctors. They think they were smart but they were the cause of the indecisive decision and one of them actually make it even worst . first injection cost rm 9K , goes well, second injection, the whole leg swell and quickly transfer to private hospital. But a bit too late also lah. he's a public servant and he thought he is in the WORLD CLASS PUBLIC HOSPITAL . there you go.. World Class and affordable.

ok, ok.. u guys always boast about Public hospitals have the best Equipment. In my early days working with american co, I have visited some of the Public sectors and i do agree the govt always have the best equipments as compare to other countries. I still remember when i visited a factory with world class tyre making equipment cost probably about 30 millions abandoned at the premises. My manager and i were shocked when one of their supervisors told us that it's a white elephant there. We asked why , he told us that not many of his staffs are capable to proceed because they lack the training and there's no one able to do it. Moral of the story, u can have the best equipment but you don't have good training or even if u have someone provides training but your learning culture like shit ( doesn't take notes, poor listening, irregular practice etc) all these will have no effect at all. you know what i mean?

And one of my friends wife also a public servant , went to the hospital and get cured for breast cancer. Everybody must have thought it's a good work by the public hospital. She died 5 yrs later. Why?

1) doctor in public don't stay there for long. they always changed or transfer. sometimes you have another doctors attend to you without knowing your circumstances fr beginning.
2) they don't have a sense of emergency, they will not have courtesy to call you to do check up , so forget about someone like american doctors sent you reminder every year to do check up.

a bit too long already. cut it short, beware of some of the private hospital as well. now there are many of them from public hospital . they were hired because of their experience and exposure. honestly , they are good but at the same time they also may provide false decision and working habits or work culture is still inhabited in them .

So if you ask me what and how Malaysia can be a great hospital again. No apprentice should be in public hospitals . This is human lives we are talking about , not some guinea pig. u want to study , go India and deal with dead corpse and africa for medicine studies.
public hospital must be clear of all these first hurdle. then only i call it a true hospital like in grey anatomy.

This post has been edited by hackwire: Jan 14 2017, 09:25 PM

cancer is a very long battle... initial treatment and diagnosis i will say go private.. but subsequent once stable follow up in Goverment Hospital... go for the slightly famous government/semi private hospitals.

There are 3 aspects of healthcare that we all want....

We want it good quality...
We want it fast
And we want it cheap...

No country in the would can give all 3 to you. At best you can have 2....Most times you have 1.... Sometimes you have non....

Choose which you want....

i have visited many good and worst hospitals in overseas before. if u read my last statement in between the line, i think it's not that bad in malaysia but the point is that there's lack of emotional parts and psychological parts in the malaysian doctors and nursing, the whole eco system and how they use database for treatment to work from pre to post treatment. you ought to understand this, are they prepare to serve the patient ? are the docs doing it for their living or to save people? and what's the point of having world class equipment if the people are not good at it and what about post treatment, follow ups etc. Of course at some point they are still better than some third world countries but we are not going to that stories isn't it. Well to accept the fact that we are lucky here than more mortality rate will be jeopardize here.

If you live in malaysia long enough, im not sure if you are a malaysia, most malaysian had probably change more hospitals than ever from one to another. jumping from public to private and vice versa. if you think this is good , im not sure what to say more. What good FORTUNE. if outpatient treatment you are talking about, many have died lah due to cancer treatment

Visiting other peoples country doesn't mean that you learn something already , don't tell me you don't have relatives or siblings residing overseas who experience any trauma before telling you some good and bad stories?

This post has been edited by hackwire: Jan 15 2017, 08:27 AM

are you implying that these people die of cancers due to negligence?....if so, please go sue the doctors...

and therein lies the problem with uninformed and uneducated public opinion....people view any bad outcome as "negligence"....

the fact is, we are talking about cancers, and anywhere in the world, people die of cancers...even with the "best" and most expensive care....steve job, for all his wealth, died...and intrinsically, treatment for cancers involves often very toxic drugs and dangerous methods, which all have their potential side effects and failures...

therefore when cancer patients die, it is often either due to the disease, or side effects of the treatments...and that side effects are the same where ever you are in the world...

but unfortunately, people see this as "doctors mistake, incompetence" and blame them....

1. medical students and interns/housemans in ALL countries in the world (including...YES grey anatomy) are trained in public hospitals....

2. Sorry to burst your bubble, but "grey anatomy" tv drama is....exactly that...drama...NOT real world....only the romanticised thinks it real!!

Just show that you have never been in the situation of cancers patient and did more than expected. U think those poor people even have the time to sue or even financial means to sue hospitals? When I asked those victims, they said, they don't have the time to procastinate in making crucial decision. Once u change hospitals, u have to sign documents. Speaking of Steve job, u know which stage he discovered his cancer? That guy was a workaholic. If u don't know his medical history, don't make things up.

Sorry to burst your bubble too, most stories in drama have the fabric of good and evil. That drama didn't show the perfect world either.

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Well...Just go talk to your friends or relatives who are doctors lah....Not depend on fiction and "fabric of good and evil"...Lol

You don't have to argue for the sake of arguing you know...

you talking to me,

I've spoken to handful of doctors, now I'm searching for people to step-up.

Weeks of searching only led me to three people who are willing to talk about their experience with cancer. We don't completely rely on online man, later we lose all customers :/

Was referring to hackwire lah...He thinks grey anatomy (sic) is the real thing....lol

so yourself n loved one can cure you? good luck marco from topoja

I still don't get why some people go gov and complain. You pay almost nothing and can complain.

Pls don't use "i pay tax" as excuse. Most people pay almost next to nothing or even nothing for tax. And tax so low already and need to cover everything not just medical.

If you have the money, can go private. Surely there is less people and lesser waiting time. Like my friend sis, went gov, at least they honest and say, earliest scan is two weeks consider good already. But if want faster, can go private.

However occasionally I know of my wife side dunno what uncle that was referred from private centre in selangor to a professor in an university hospital for some procedure.

But in the end for cancer, still die. That's why got some friends elderly persons go for traditional ways. But some I disagree because very expensive, I think probably there is some element of snake oil in it.

Still, it's not my money, not my life, and I honestly not sure I'm prepared when it happens.

I just hope everyone has done their best when we still have the time to do so. Cheers.

My home got 2 cancer patients. both of them went to government hospital for treatments. thank god. everything ok - for now.

Government hospital is not as bad as most of us perceived though. Government hospitals have improved tremendously over the years.

private always better then gov. but private always money come first they will call ask u to pay first then only they threat u... if no money they ask u gtfo...

Well I had one kinda and I went to the public hospital. Reason being the private doctor specialist is basically the general hospital doctor.

The thing was quite fast though. You'll get appointment for scans in less than a week and was hospitalized a day after the results was out and operations was done the next days.

The problem probably with diagnostic. You'll get to go throw a whole lots of layers of Houseman and doctors before you'll ever meet the specialist.

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Depend how much limit your medical card can claim and pls include follow up cost
If your medical card limit less than 800k I recommend u go goverment as cancer drug can be very costly ..of coz depend on what type of cancer and stages too...

big problem always go for goverment ..actually goverment have more consultance and specialist plus more equipment compared with private

4 years ago,my brother was diagnosed with stage 4 testis cancer, he received treatment at Penang GH, all i can say is, penang GH treatment is top notch, the only cons is of course the environment is as not as comfortable compared to private hospitals, my parents can afford private hospitals, but they prefer to send my brother to penang GH,

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i can't agree some point.
1. No Need to wait ? that ain't true.
2. Specialist treatment ? what type of specialist treatment from private hospital, basically nothing special other than BILL.
3. Great consultation ? yah when u have insurance but that ain't great consultant is just more with clash opinion.
4.lower rish of failure ? u must be joking.

i personal spend 1 and half year in Private hospital (Pantai bangsar, penang, Ampang, Sport medical) and my bill is 350k, at the end guess what they told me ? we write you recommendation letter for GH and GH solve my issue in less than 3month.
in between those private hospital, each hospital required MRI with below reason:
that MRI is two small we can't see.
That MRI is outdated (2 Month)
Best every hospital charge me RM 1.20 X 5 for pill cup (daily), best part they don't even give me a single med.

That is so true.
Penang gleneagles :
1 Single Chemo is RM 12k, that exclude DR consultation, resting bed, nursing, blood test and bla bla bla(roughly 16k-18k)
GH : RM 67.50 all included.

That is so true.

I feel sorry for your bad experience in private and i am glad you had found your treatment solution at last. At some point, every sickness have to come along with a little bit of luck but we cannot control how much luck do we have. What we can control is how to minimise the risk of failure and maximise the chances and option that we have.

Talk about specialist, i ain't talk about the environment,hospitality of the private hospital, i am talking about the skill that the doctor had. How many great doctors (specialist) in whatever area willing to stay in GH nowadays? There are still good doctors in there but the statistic is very minimal. So if comes to this day that we had no choice but to search for treatment solution in GH, we have to pray for better luck to meet great doctors that can really hit the dart of our health issue.

I can't conclude that going private will be a guarantee but at least i know the chances is greater. You are lucky enough to have a good follow up where the private are willing to recommend to GH,
I am not sure what type of sickness do you have but we are discussing about cancer treatment here

My cousin passed away last year due to nose cancer. He had been fighting this for 4 years and what i can say about his journey is pity and very bad luck. His journey roughly can be summarise as below :
1) He go to private , perform surgery and chemo (spend about 200k)
2) After that, he thought he is recover and its come back and attack him
3) He went back to the private and he realised that he have no more insurance quota, so he have to switch to GH
4) He went to IPOH GH, they did a scan, saying that he need another surgery
5) He perform 2nd surgery and this time no chemo needed
6) After 1 months of the surgery, his condition seems remain and no signs of recover, when the GH did another scan, only they found out that the previous surgery wasn't necessary at all
7) He have been refer to another GH in penang, this time the doc said his body no longer able to sustain another chemo , what they can do is to help to regain his immune system by pumping in steroid
8) The environment and the atmosphere over there really makes me sick, everyday you can hear people crying, you can see people screaming for pain, you can see your neighbour always change.
9) I am still remember, the last 3 months that i saw him in GH Penang, he told me that "I am tired of everything"

So think again, if you have a choice, where do you prefer?

My mother cancer is patient and all the time treated in GH after spending 700k thousand in Gleneagles + Adventist Penang.
Gleneagles = Unnecessary DR involve, ridiculous operation cost + ridiculous bill. (check their so call PRO DR soon have how many legal sue)
Adventist =
My mother admitted there for a month and lose 20KG due to DR poor knowledge (we find out from our dr aunty)
Required unwanted SCAN that cost 13k.
4 Time delay on operation cost.
poor DR judgement.
Poor Lab, they can't even provide you, your own BLOCK of cancer Tissue and argue slide and BLOCK is same.

btw all went to court case and we won, imagine if you are average person, you just allow those private hospital to slaughter you.

can be combination ah? i want to be treated by gov doctors but i also want access to expensive and modern cancer meds which is only available in private

you can go to private wing of government hospitals like UKMMC specialist centre

That's why i am saying, every sicknesses comes along with a little bit of luck, either good or bad you cannot control but what you can is choosing the path that is the best.
This is provided that you have a choice either sufficient quota of insurance to roll OR you don't have financial issue where we use to call "rich"
If you are rich OR your insurance is fully covered, what will be your option? If you still insist to go GH then i am kind of salute you

Your either your mother experiences concluded that you both are having some issue with the doc and their unusual charges but eventually you initiated your treatment start with private first right? I don't think your case and your mum case are concurrently occurr, if you mind to tell, why still choose to go private since you already have a bad one in private?

My concern over here isn't who is the best and what should be done but the option that we have. Seriously, if i imagine myself on my cousin's position, everyday sleeping in a room with 8 people, seeing them screaming, suffering and sometimes those nurses treated them badly, i will be very tired and mentally suffer.
When you diagnosed with cancer, you must be mentally strong especially when your immune system already went down due to chemo , you really need a good environment and people around to be supportive. Those environment is what GH couldn't provide.

Only if you have the choice, you pick whatever you think is needed and necessary.

betul pun

If u ask a doctor which will be a better choice for a serious sickness, most of it will answer u goverment...
For small case u can go for private la.. A very serious 1 even got medical card I still think goverment will be a better choice and support
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Private only want your money. Better use gov private service.

go read what others have wrote about public hospitals . cancer patient screaming and mental disorder in public hospital when the environment and the nurses fr hell treat u like some sort of guinea pigs. you still think u r in realistic world when u actually living like alice in fantasy wonderland.

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My dad was diagnosed with stomach cancer stage 4 on Dec 2015. Went to Pantai Hospital Melaka for CT scan, doctor confirmed it's a stomach cancer.

After that, we went to Beacon Hospital (BISC) PJ for 2nd opinion. Doctor also confirmed. So my dad went for treatment in BISC ever since.

Chemotherapy is once every 2 weeks. Have to send him up to PJ and down back to Johor every 2 weeks.

The after effects of strong chemo drugs caused my dad's condition got worse in May 2016. My dad ended up swollen legs and blisters. Soon, he couldn't walk because everytime he uses strength, yellowish fluid (actually is protein) oozes out.

And sadly, he lost his battle with cancer and passed away on July 2016 due to lung infection and pneumonia, which I believe the cancer cells already spreaded to his lungs.