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TSlowyeap
post Jul 17 2017, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(dreamxite @ Jul 8 2017, 08:00 AM)
Ultimately, you have to decide your own investment strategy. But from my point of view, since you just graduated, meaning you still have 30-40 years in front of you before you retire, focusing too much on dividend might not be the right thing for you. I say 'might' because I have no idea what's your personal situation.

However, if you plan is to maximize future wealth, focusing too much on dividend can do more harm than good to your long term return. Since your focus is to generate a long term CAGR, focus on return on capital and the quality of the business. ROC is the ultimate long term key driver that decides your long term return not dividend. Dividend is just a byproduct of a management decision.

Not to mention, yes dividend is great, but you have to take into account that those dividend that you receive needs to be invested back into the market, so you have to think about reinvestment opportunity - is there always another good opportunity waiting for you? You have to think about time, how much time you have to spend researching to find the right opportunity, and lastly, the probability of making mistakes because of decision fatigue. These are all opportunity cost.
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Thanks for the advice, which I think it's true and I've been focusing more on capital appreciation these days instead of dividend. I study growth company, look at their profit margin, ROE, ROA, leverage ratio all those things. I'm not a risk adverse person, I'm willing to take certain risk and mentally prepared to see my portfolio goes down in bad time. Nevertheless, the end goal is to achieve cagr of 10% in time horizon of 10years.

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post Jul 28 2017, 06:54 AM

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Since this thread is about dividend, I'm actually looking for counters that are decent in dividends payout. Can someone guide me on where/how to start?
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post Jul 28 2017, 07:14 AM

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QUOTE(Kilohertz @ Jul 28 2017, 06:54 AM)
Since this thread is about dividend, I'm actually looking for counters that are decent in dividends payout. Can someone guide me on where/how to start?
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How do u define "decent" dividend payout?
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post Jul 28 2017, 07:20 AM

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Jul 28 2017, 07:14 AM)
How do u define "decent" dividend payout?
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Like probably regular dividend payout.
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post Jul 28 2017, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(Kilohertz @ Jul 28 2017, 06:54 AM)
Since this thread is about dividend, I'm actually looking for counters that are decent in dividends payout. Can someone guide me on where/how to start?
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There are 3 way to go about it.
1) buy reits
2) buy bluechip stocks
3) buy stocks which give decent dividend yield.

Check out EPS, DPS, Payout ratio. Come I give you eg.
Nestle. Bluechip. Dividend only 3%+, but dividend increases yearly.
Good place to start
Dividend Magic

Another good blog post
http://investmentmoats.com/money-managemen...your-portfolio/
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post Jul 28 2017, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 28 2017, 11:25 AM)
There are 3 way to go about it.
1) buy reits
2) buy bluechip stocks
3) buy stocks which give decent dividend yield.

Check out EPS, DPS, Payout ratio. Come I give you eg.
Nestle. Bluechip. Dividend only 3%+, but dividend increases yearly.
Good place to start
Dividend Magic

Another good blog post
http://investmentmoats.com/money-managemen...your-portfolio/
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Thanks for the leads! Appreciate it loads.
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post Jul 28 2017, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(Kilohertz @ Jul 28 2017, 12:39 PM)
Thanks for the leads! Appreciate it loads.
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Another stategy is load up on cash, wait for time when everyone is selling then dump it in. Easily can get 10% p.a like how this bloger did it.
http://singaporeanstocksinvestor.blogspot.com
He's a singpaorean blogger but still relevant.

I invest in SG stocks that's why I am following his method + combination of other methods. Bid my time. When the time comes, just dump it in. If there's nothing to buy, don't buy.

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post Jul 28 2017, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 28 2017, 12:49 PM)
Another stategy is load up on cash, wait for time when everyone is selling then dump it in. Easily can get 10% p.a like how this bloger did it.
http://singaporeanstocksinvestor.blogspot.com
He's a singpaorean blogger but still relevant.

I invest in SG stocks that's why I am following his method + combination of other methods. Bid my time. When the time comes, just dump it in. If there's nothing to buy, don't buy.
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That's a very good strategy but it takes a lot of patient, often times I feel like I'm chasing high.. buying when it's uptrend doh.gif
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post Jul 30 2017, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(netmask8 @ Jul 8 2017, 11:05 PM)
Why Bursa? Buy and Sell, ratio 1 : 1

Invest in companies in SG, HK or NYSE / Nasdaq..
Gain / Loss  X  currency exchange rates too.  Fast up / down..
Dividend also X currency exchange rates too.
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How to invest in SG, HK or NYSE / Nasdaq ?
Can we invest by using CDS account ?
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post Jul 30 2017, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(imran @ Jul 30 2017, 05:15 PM)
How to invest in SG, HK or NYSE / Nasdaq ?
Can we invest by using CDS account ?
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Our CDS tak laku outside malaysia.tongue.gif
You can buy from local brokerage like Cimb, maybank, etc but you pay premium (higher commision, maybe maintenance fee, dividend fee).
Or you open a brokerage in that country an pay only brokerage comission which will be cheaper than our local brokerage.
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post Aug 1 2017, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 30 2017, 05:38 PM)
Our CDS tak laku outside malaysia.tongue.gif
You can buy from local brokerage like Cimb, maybank, etc but you pay premium (higher commision, maybe maintenance fee,  dividend fee).
Or you open a brokerage in that country an pay only brokerage comission which will be cheaper than our local brokerage.
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Bro is talking like a pro now,... haha,... everywhere also asking people to go INTO THAT COUNTRY to open an account,... Bro,... it's not so simple, okay ?? So many things to overcome,...

But,......... I like your spirit,...

Actually, going into a country DIRECTLY to open a brokerage account or an investment account is similar to doing FDI - Foreign Direct Investment. It's not so popular for Msians,... we preferred to do from inside Msia. The Americans have been doing this for years, just to perform tax planning. Today, with FATCA and all,... no more,...
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 1 2017, 10:56 AM)
Bro is talking like a pro now,... haha,... everywhere also asking people to go INTO THAT COUNTRY to open an account,... Bro,... it's not so simple, okay ?? So many things to overcome,...

But,......... I like your spirit,...

Actually, going into a country DIRECTLY to open a brokerage account or an investment account is similar to doing FDI - Foreign Direct Investment. It's not so popular for Msians,... we preferred to do from inside Msia. The Americans have been doing this for years, just to perform tax planning. Today, with FATCA and all,... no more,...
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Bro, now application all online/post liao. No need travel anywhere.
- SG - FSM SG (no need SG bank account/address)
- EU - some online brokerage with online bank account opening (no guts to open EU as the EU is 5x)
- HK - 8 Securities (no need HK bank account/address)
- US - also can open online
- UK and canada haven't research (UK also no guts 5x our currency)
- AU - application via post (no need AU bank account/AU address)
- JP - don't understand japanese tongue.gif

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post Aug 14 2017, 04:42 PM

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pay heed to wengherng's advise,he is the only contributor who knows about investing not speculating or gambling.
stock picking and market timing are for losers
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post Aug 29 2017, 08:50 PM

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QUOTE(lowyeap @ Jan 5 2017, 09:24 PM)
Hi guys, I have been investing for more than 1 year since i graduated, I've been trying few methods and strategies to earn from stock market. I try traded daily, speculate and some portion of money invest for dividend. After one year, I finally think that I should stop speculating and invest based on fundamental and value like Warren did. So, I've been thinking hard lately should I buy solely dividend stocks? Let's say if I have RM100k in my portfolio with average dividend yield of 6%, I'll get RM6k annual which is RM500 monthly, quite decent thou. But, at the same time, dividend stocks are usually blue chip which have stable growth, in other words, less capital appreciation. I need opinions from you all please since u all are much more experience than I am? thanks guys  rclxms.gif
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sifuu...teach me more about good stocks icon_question.gif
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post Aug 31 2017, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(lowyeap @ Jan 5 2017, 09:24 PM)
Hi guys, I have been investing for more than 1 year since i graduated, I've been trying few methods and strategies to earn from stock market. I try traded daily, speculate and some portion of money invest for dividend. After one year, I finally think that I should stop speculating and invest based on fundamental and value like Warren did. So, I've been thinking hard lately should I buy solely dividend stocks? Let's say if I have RM100k in my portfolio with average dividend yield of 6%, I'll get RM6k annual which is RM500 monthly, quite decent thou. But, at the same time, dividend stocks are usually blue chip which have stable growth, in other words, less capital appreciation. I need opinions from you all please since u all are much more experience than I am? thanks guys  rclxms.gif
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Is there any update on this? did you invest it in dividend stocks? drool.gif
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post Sep 3 2017, 12:39 AM

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Ytlreit, arreit, sunreit. Invest in all 3, get about average 6%.
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post Sep 3 2017, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Sep 3 2017, 12:39 AM)
Ytlreit, arreit, sunreit. Invest in all 3, get about average 6%.
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Might as well diversify some into the PNB Fixed Priced Funds too, since the return is also 6% TODAY,... and the capital is more or less guaranteed, unless you are sure of getting capital appreciation from your REITs,...
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Sep 3 2017, 10:27 AM)
Might as well diversify some into the PNB Fixed Priced Funds too, since the return is also 6% TODAY,... and the capital is more or less guaranteed, unless you are sure of getting capital appreciation from your REITs,...
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oh yes, if can get Fixed priced funds of course its better than Reits laugh.gif
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post Sep 7 2017, 02:23 AM

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So you'be been chasing and focusing on high dividend stocks? How about you diversify a bit by including some high growth companies that give little to no dividend but still give you decent return on your invested capital. But it is depend tolerance towards risk.
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post Sep 11 2017, 06:13 PM

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QUOTE(lowyeap @ Jan 5 2017, 09:42 PM)
magnum, maybank, and most reit pay dividend above 6%
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company paying dividend their share price is high also whistling.gif

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