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 Multiple Signs of Malaysia Property Bubble V20

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WhitE LighteR
post Mar 6 2017, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(zerorating @ Mar 6 2017, 06:23 PM)
using runner for application,malas nak tanya which bank branches he submit the application , but oh well,  im only purchase those property if only bank are willing to take risk lol. I know that the bank nearly reaching their loan-to-deposit ratio limit, so they will not give loan suka2 hati.

so for now, im committed to proceed with the only bank responded lol, hopefully that the loan process goes well, so far so good, dsr ratio is good, ccris records is good
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sometimes cannot trust runner. they say will submit to 10 bank. but in reality they submit mayb 1-2 only... dont be surprised if u call the bank they say dont have your application.
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post Mar 7 2017, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Mar 7 2017, 11:39 AM)
better do it ownself. cannot trust agents. nowadays all advertise under market value, however when check with bank's valuer, cannot get the value.
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asking price too high. bank usually value only based on the last transacted price. so some agent will kaodim with bank to push this value higher by finding one sucker to buy a "renovated" property. then the whole area last transacted value goes up...
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post Mar 14 2017, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Mar 14 2017, 07:48 PM)
Big wave of investments coming from China guys, all will be fine don't worry  laugh.gif
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kena cap liao...
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post Jan 25 2018, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(Ron2828 @ Jan 25 2018, 04:46 PM)
Actually how much is the impact of 0.25% increase?

100k x 0.25% = RM250
RM250/12 =RM20.83 increase per month for every 100k loan

Is it this simple?
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Realistically no one has 100k loan.

Let say if a loan is 700k, that is 145.81 extra a month

Or 1749.72 a year.
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post Feb 28 2018, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(lifeofkuli @ Feb 27 2018, 08:49 PM)
sorry to say, cj not for human live one, 1 mil I can get 3 unit landed closer to KL whistling.gif

kuli 450k can get double storey, 700k can get semi D ... and yes, FREEHOLD not those port dickson, semenyih, seremban area whistling.gif
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450k double storey? 700k semi d? Mana? Share2 with us...

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post Mar 15 2018, 04:34 AM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Mar 14 2018, 03:45 PM)
Once again no taker.

B-2-3A, Vision Residence @ Puchong South - Cyberjaya
Size: 2485sqft
Date: 28 Mac 18

1st auction Rm1,000,000
2nd auction Rm900,000
3rd auction Rm810,000
4th auction Rm729,000
5th auction Rm657,000
6th auction Rm592,000
7th auction Rm533,000
8th auction Rm480,000
9th auction Rm432,000 --> current reserve price

Anyone taking?
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2nd floor. Review say 5th floor above only got view. Else got blocked by other buildings

And 3A = 4 to me. Developers should really just consider removing any 4 altogether n not just change them to 3A
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post Apr 6 2018, 09:02 AM

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Seems to be a good time to buy and it will only get better I think. Cash is king again
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post Apr 10 2018, 02:34 PM

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I think this condo used to have many issue.
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post Apr 10 2018, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Apr 10 2018, 02:44 PM)
Many issue with new condo? What are the issue?
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https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4197928/all
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post Apr 13 2018, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(New Klang @ Apr 13 2018, 04:01 PM)
I know I am right.

No, the govt should not build these houses with condo facilities.

Just build community centres that charges minimum amount to the users and the rest are subsidised by govt.
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this might sound like a good idea but its not. A clear example of how this can go wrong very badly is if you look at the US public housing project. They have the effect of creating a ghetto because of the concentration of poverty stricken individuals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housin...e_United_States
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post Apr 27 2018, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Apr 27 2018, 01:46 PM)
2 bidders today. Unit sold at 430k. Congrats.
More than 50% below subsale price, more than 60% below bank valuation.  :thumbsup:


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I heard auction property financing by bank is not easy. And that buyer has only a small window to secure finance for it. Any opinion on that?
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post Apr 27 2018, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Apr 27 2018, 04:22 PM)
Not true. Buying from auction is the same like buying from subsale. But for auction there is no turning back only. If you cannot obtain loan, then your 10% downpayment gone.
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https://www.imoney.my/articles/6-biggest-ri...tioned-property

The risk seems to be alot. How do a bidder avoid all this risk?

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post Apr 27 2018, 05:58 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Apr 27 2018, 05:42 PM)
Cannot avoid risk. Thats y dont go bid unless very cheap.
Must calculate all the cost e.g. evicting occupants, repair/ renovation costs, payment of arrears, inflation on your cash expenditures and etc.
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So how much cash I should prepare to get into auction property to cover all this cost ? 20, 30, 40, 50% of the reserve price?
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post Apr 27 2018, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Apr 27 2018, 06:04 PM)
10% dp
10% cost to title transfer and obtain loan
10% to repair
10% to evict occupants
And extra for payment of arrears

At least 40%

Also u r at risk to lose 10% if unable to settle the purchase price within 90 / 120 days.

Risk is very high on leasehold props
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why is risk higher on leasehold property ? because of the transfer of title ? but the 90/120 days is only for getting the loan correct? not including the transfer of title....
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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Apr 27 2018, 06:18 PM)
Because leasehold need consent from local authority
After get consent, title transfer, loan disburse
90/120 days is until loan disburse or u pay cash
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ic, so they need to transfer of title before loan disburse. This would be an issue... console.gif

Also i've heard leasehold goes for 6 months n above to get authority consent. If this is the case you actually need to prepare 100% of the loan amount just to be prepared in such cases
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post Apr 27 2018, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Apr 27 2018, 06:23 PM)
Correct. 100% + cost to title transfer
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i've also heard some nightmare stories when comes to title transfer due to misc issue like foreign ex-owner, developer wound up n title still not issued by developer yet, some joint owner died, etc etc
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post Jun 17 2018, 04:42 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Jun 12 2018, 01:32 PM)
Yes, property of course is one asset class. It is the asset class most proven to accumulate wealth for the majority who becomes rich. Crashes are part and parcel of life.
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I'm a silent reader here. But after reading your reply I had to say something. I see that u are a strong supporter of property investment n u always point to article that claim that property investment is the best way to get rich. As usual the real answer is not as simple as yes or no.

To be more specific the answer is in fact country specific.

https://stansberrychurchouse.com/asia-wealt...t-surprise-you/

Here are comparison of 3 countries where stock value VS property inflation prices.

In US, the increase in property prices are no way near the rise of stock prices increase. In the article above only Singapore property did better than STI

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/view/articles...-getting-richer

If we only talk about US..

In the article above (detail study paper is link inside the article) shows the riches individual keep their money in equity and not real estate.

"The second paper, by New York University economist Edward Wolff, found similar forces at work in the U.S. His data clearly shows that the wealthy have relatively less of their money in houses, and more in stocks and other financial assets"

So... Where is your study that property is a better way to get rich compare to equity investment?

I personally would advice everyone to not focus on a single class of investment n try to diversify. No need to gung ho support only your POV is right and think other opinions n experience doesn't matter n realize there is many road to success.

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most soho are too small, too expensive.. they only sell location
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Jun 28 2018, 02:25 PM)
is this situation rather similar to 2008 crisis? property price gets bloated, each time exchange hands value increases by tens/hundred thousands. bank lending more and more whilst citizens debt ratio increases. combined with current global uncertainties chances of ppl defaulting loans growing higher and lead to eventual banks bleeding cash.
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2008 is due to bad debt n greedy bankers. It has nothing to do with oversupply. Don't misunderstand and associate anything about property to 2008
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 29 2018, 12:49 AM)
Given multiple number of property bought by flippers in 2011 to 2014, many of these likely ended up in foreclosure. How bad is remain to be seen.
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Malaysia property bank loan is quite tight after 1998. It's not as bad as 2008 in the US where they basically throw home loan to unqualified people for the sake of boosting up numbers. Then sell those bad debt as triple A investment to investors. When the loan not able to be service by the borrower, the investments goes bad twice worst

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