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 Multiple Signs of Malaysia Property Bubble V20

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JimbeamofNRT
post Apr 7 2018, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Apr 7 2018, 04:43 PM)
sold to the guy didnt mean confirm can get the loan in time. lets hope the successful bidder will get the loan in time. less than 90 days
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Bank is a bitch nowadays.

very bitchy indeed.
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post Apr 7 2018, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Apr 7 2018, 05:38 PM)
yes. they will only accept reserve price for auction properties.
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must have deeper pocket these days


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post Jun 16 2021, 02:52 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Mar 31 2021, 12:32 PM)
Excessive auction units show need for sustainable valuation model

SINCE 2019, the property market has been flooded with auction units spanning from Kuala Lumpur to Johor Baru.

According to property agents, 4,000 to 6,000 units of properties are flooding the market every year. Some units still fail to be sold off despite five or six rounds of price reduction. I came across one apartment in Puchong, Selangor, that went through almost 10 rounds of price reduction before it could be sold off.

To put this into perspective, every reduction usually amounts to 10 per cent off the previous price. The heaviest consequence is faced by property owners, whose dream-come-true moment of purchasing a new property ends in a nightmare.

Additionally, the number of auctions is not just high, but has surged to a new level, turning individual purchasers' nightmare into a nationwide one. I say so because property purchase is typically the biggest life decision for most people. As such, a wrong decision will definitely entail consequences severe enough to ruin one's family and even nation. Worse still, property transactions are gearing base, meaning that almost all transactions are sealed via bank borrowing by the purchaser.

Therefore, a plunge in property prices not only erodes owners' wealth, but pushes the borrower into limbo as well. If momentum builds in this direction, banks will encounter plenty of non-performing loans, jeopardising their balance sheet.

Ultimately, if we let this trend continue without any effective measures, individual purchasers, banks, and the nation will pay a costly price and may even slump into a crisis. We need to study the problem to determine the critical factors attributed to this phenomenon.

Once identified, effective measures can be rolled out to ensure the sustainability of property development nationwide. Most importantly, the harmony of the family unit can be sustained.

From my in-depth analysis of the property market over the last two decades, property prices started to gain an upward momentum in the 2010s, after almost a decade of inactive or stagnant prices.

The soaring prices became even more significant between 2014 and 2016. As a result, most developers started launching new properties with sky-high pricing. The booming economy and easy credit acquisition also contribute d to high property prices. Such an increase in property prices is in fact good for households, as it uplifts their social status.

However, property price hikes must fundamentally be economically supported. From 2015 to 2016, some property developers set prices at an extremely high level.

While they generate handsome profits, the adverse and nightmarish effects of their actions are what households and the nation are facing now β€” a record number of auction unit s and countless bankrupt purchasers, many of whom are still young. I noted a real case of this scenario that played out in Cyberjaya.

A few years ago, a young individual (A), in his 30s, bought a luxury apartment unit at a staggering price of RM900,000 for 775 sq ft β€” approximately RM1,161.29 per square foot.

This pricing rate in Cyberjaya is shocking, but what is even more alarming is that there were many more properties launched at the time with such prices.

Purchasers were still bullish in their outlook despite sky-rocketing prices. Unsurprisingly, these property purchasers' bullish stance has turned into a catastrophe, particularly in the last two years. To illustrate, A had secured a loan for RM800,000, equivalent to approximately a RM4,000 monthly loan installment.

However, the market rental price could only stretch up to RM1,500 a month for that unit. Expectedly, after three years, A was unable to serve the loan commitment. In 2020, A's unit was auctioned off at a mere RM265,000.

In conclusion, A did not just lose the apartment unit through the forced auction sale, but has also slumped into outstanding debt of around RM500,000 that will impact his life. Certainly, this case depicts only the tip of the gargantuan iceberg that is the property market. Two questions stand out in my mind.

How were developers possibly allowed to sell at outrageous prices? How did banks allow such high valuations?

Therefore, parties ranging from regulators and developers to bankers and valuers must formulate a sustainable valuation model for property values to achieve mutually beneficial and interdependent social, environmental, and economic goals.

Only a sustainable valuation model can guarantee sustainable property development and a harmonious society.

https://www.nst.com.my/opinion/columnists/2...valuation-model
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A few years ago, a young individual (A), in his 30s, bought a luxury apartment unit at a staggering price of RM900,000 for 775 sq ft β€” approximately RM1,161.29 per square foot.

This pricing rate in Cyberjaya is shocking, but what is even more alarming is that there were many more properties launched at the time with such prices.


cyber? lel

good luck
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post Jun 16 2021, 02:52 AM

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QUOTE(scorptim @ Jun 15 2021, 12:13 PM)
Sorry to burst your bubble but most of the speculators already made their money and are only holding properties that they can still maintain. The ones dying are mostly the waterfish stretched out buyers who got conned by all those property guru who teach them to win multiple properties with zero/minimal capital.
He still won’t buy, rent FTW πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚
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this one surely gonna kana soon ...
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post Jun 17 2021, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(scorptim @ Jun 16 2021, 10:38 AM)
Already happening mate, most of the auction units nowadays are from these people. I would say at least 70% of the condos being auctioned belongs to this group.
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but if you check out that cyberjaya thread, there are plenty of naysayers

"market is good"
"place is vibrant etc"
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post Jun 17 2021, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(scorptim @ Jun 17 2021, 05:47 PM)
Market is good in cyber? Maybe units being auctioned off for less than half the original selling price is considered good for them. πŸ˜‚

But I have to admit I was really close to buying a lelong unit for a landed house there, the landscaping and surrounding was really2 nice much better than any other housing around KL tbh. Too bad got a sohai went and keep bidding for the same unit. Damn potong πŸ˜“
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THIS

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4239930/+4040

can ask big boss AskarPerang for tips

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post Jun 17 2021, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jun 17 2021, 05:53 PM)
You forgot "organic growth"

Probably talking about weed growing in unoccupied units laugh.gif
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post Aug 12 2021, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(BillCollector @ Aug 12 2021, 09:59 PM)
This was a 100% for investment only project.... no one would've bought it for own stay as it just wasn't one of those types of places.

A lot of "investors" bought into it on the pretext that the cashbacks itself was a fantastic profit especially at that time as on some units you could get up to RM40k in your hand and all you had to do was swipe RM2k for a booking fee and then sign the SPA, 6 weeks later you will find that cashback in your account. There were some that fell into that trap called "Loan Compression" and signed up for anywhere between 3 and 8 units.

The thing with this property was it rode on the false premise that KL Metropolis would be a 100% successful development and everyday there would be conventions and exhibitions that would flood the reservation hotlines for this property.
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THIS

summore when the SA is a cute amoi and the buyer go gatal try to score with her. lel cool2.gif
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post Aug 13 2021, 03:12 AM

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QUOTE(BillCollector @ Aug 13 2021, 03:09 AM)
Oh yeah.... never underestimate just how many SPAs were signed because of "bebird gatal" though usually after SPA it needs to be serviced by someone else other than that amoi REN biggrin.gif
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I have seen cases liddat before. signed up because of cute amoi/awek at road show

lel
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post Jul 17 2024, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 17 2024, 10:10 PM)

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slowly, but surely
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post Jul 20 2024, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(soul78 @ Jul 18 2024, 09:53 AM)
Alot of people will start to be humble soon... and their believe system challenged soo hard that many will drop to their knees and ask God to wake them up from this nightmare. 2025 It's Gonna be a naice shietshow.
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the moment OPR naik to 5% above memang GG. BNM die die dont want to do it
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post Mar 17 2025, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Mar 17 2025, 04:11 PM)
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paloma metropark batu tiga

studio 609 sqft SNP price was selling from RM650K, now many kena lelong under rm400K

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latest one lelong 2 rooms 2 bath 916 sqft @ RM 427K , dunno what's the outcome

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the courtyard villa is selling around rm1.9M now, SNP price was from RM2.71M




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post Mar 29 2025, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(Jenn77 @ Mar 21 2025, 08:43 AM)
over supply it is. go to setia alam, look at how many tall apartments/condo they build. fail town planning is one thing, later sure alot of socio-eco problems.
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can see the same thing is happening at Puncak Alam.
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post Jun 28 2025, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 15 2025, 06:49 PM)

By the time your child grows up, the condo will be outdated and your child will likely prefer new unit or in different location or city. Historically, condo price is more likely remain stagnant.

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+1

you will see more rundown condo in the future, due to unpaid maintenance bills
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post Jun 28 2025, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jun 28 2025, 12:11 PM)

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QUOTE(LDP @ Jun 15 2025, 08:25 PM)
This is very true, but alot of ppl refused to believe in it....thinking price can only go up coz of inflation...Also what if its leasehold, and less than 30 yrs remaining...
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nowadays if u see the stats, many condos subsale price below launch price

at my BIL's place in tropicana metropark, all three condos Pandora, Paloma and Paisley got same pattern. SNP price for 2 rooms condo was RM800K+, now can only sell for around RM600K+ , if kena lelong under RM600K
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QUOTE(nihility @ Jun 28 2025, 01:07 PM)
The situation unfolding within this condo community reflects the collective mentality of its residents. On a broader scale, this microcosm mirrors the mindset of our citizens at the national level.
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or flippers cool2.gif

their reason not paying the maintenance : I dont stay there, what for I need to pay the maintenance bills? cool2.gif u wanna block my card go ahead lah I dont care

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post Jun 28 2025, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(nihility @ Jun 28 2025, 01:54 PM)
It’s a possible cause, but I believe it reflects only a minority.
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post Jul 27 2025, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 1 2025, 01:34 PM)

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QUOTE(Haiwelcome @ Jul 1 2025, 12:16 PM)
I dont understand why buyer opt to buy 950 ~ 1000sqft for 600k from developer but not buy 1500sqft for RM600k ~ 650k of subsale unit in same area. The only reasons I can think is they dont have saving for downpayment and lawyer/stamp duty cost.

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most of these kids dont even have money for dp but die die want to join the bandwagon when kena brainwashed by parents, siblings, friends, aunties uncles , so called prop guru etc
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post Jul 29 2025, 10:33 AM

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Most of these waterfish are attracted by what's being offered, the rendered facilities and amenities which later turned out to be hella expensive to maintain and what not, these people were being sold the lifestyle and not the peace.

Mostly delusions pushed by developers that the units are in high demand and have good resale or rental values.

Lots of property investors in Malaysia don't know what they're doing, and are essentially chucking wads of cash at random holes in the wall hoping to strike the jackpot hole.
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post Oct 28 2025, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Oct 28 2025, 09:35 AM)
After a few decades, most if not all buildings is only worth the value of the land it sit on.
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this one most likely will kana demolish then naik condo/mall

see Section 13 enough lah

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