QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 22 2017, 07:27 PM)
lol. I am genuinely laughing at this bro. normally you look at a fund based on its returns, volality and past/future history
NOT THE SWITCHING FEE
Laugh harder then.NOT THE SWITCHING FEE
FundSuperMart v17 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D
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Jan 22 2017, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 22 2017, 07:27 PM) You have no problem buying that. Is just a kind of protection. Double edge sword. If you think RM got no where to go but down, get the one priced in other currency. It will give you better gains IF RM continue to depreciate. Dude if RM is going down then you need to get the RM-hedged Fund. Common sense. If RM is going up then you want to get the USD-hedged Fund. |
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Jan 22 2017, 07:48 PM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 22 2017, 07:38 PM) Bro, RM going down, you will want to buy USD before it's going down. Buying RM offers no protection against USD if RM decide to go down. Understand? If RM is going up, of course I will take the RM class. I think you don't understand how this works. USD is irrelevant because this is a ASIA PACIFIC fund. A good eg. RM is going to depreciate to 5 against the USD by year's end. You know that will happen. So what do you do? Buy USD now or don't do anything? By buying USD now, you "protect" your RM as by year end, if you convert your USD, you would have made extra RM0.5 (you will get RM5) If you do nothing (buying Class MYR), your RM is still at RM4.50 |
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Jan 22 2017, 07:56 PM
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Mr Ramjade, see the performance of the MYR, USD and SGD fund classes of the CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund. It proves my point.
MYR - http://www.cimb-principal.com.my/fund_pdf/...MYR_MYR_FFS.pdf USD - http://www.cimb-principal.com.my/fund_pdf/...USD_USD_FFS.pdf SGD - http://www.cimb-principal.com.my/fund_pdf/...SGD_SGD_FFS.pdf Look at the 1 year performances of all 3 fund classes with the exact same underlying assets. MYR: 6.82% USD: 2.38% SGD: 4.81% This post has been edited by contestchris: Jan 22 2017, 07:58 PM |
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Jan 23 2017, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 23 2017, 06:02 PM) After the discussion on currency class ( USD Hedged vs MYR Hedged ), anybody is switching his funds to USD class ( if available ) ? Dude why? You guys still don't get it? Ringgit getting stronger, keep Ringgit class!Ringgit is getting stronger now, 1 USD->MYR 4.43. Today RM4.43 buys $1. If the Ringgit keeps strengthening, your $1 will return say, RM4.20. You will make losses upon converting to and back from a USD class fund. |
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Jan 23 2017, 08:45 PM
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QUOTE(asimov82 @ Jan 23 2017, 12:51 PM) indonesia quite thematic for investing few years back, they have jokowi-ahok team reforming the country policy, just that recently they are facing strong resistance to put them down. You say rebalancing will be done by fund manager. Really? If Indonesia tanks wil they reduce exposure there and increase in CHina and India? Then how come they have fixed 33% allocation? Surely cannot right?quite like the cimb offers of global titan and chindiaindo fund, basically these funds benchmark are fixed ratio allocation: global titan: us 42%, euro 36%, japan 12%, liquidity 10% chindiaindo: china 33%, india 33%, indonesia 33% thus, 50/50 allocation of both fund will give you about: us 21% (north america) euro 18% (europa) japan 6% (asiapac advanced) china 16% (north asia) india 16% (south asia) indonesia 16% (south east asia) liquidity ~7% you get the best from advanced and emerging region, and just need to focus on the advanced-emerging allocation ratio, rest of the rebalancing will be done by fund manager (if one region go down, and another go up). if include a home country fund (like kgf) and low volatility local bond fund (like anita), then you can easily construct a lazy portfolio of advanced/emerging/home-country/bond 4 funds strategy. |
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Jan 23 2017, 08:48 PM
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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 23 2017, 08:44 PM) If a fund like ponzi 2.0, which based in USD, when MYR appreciate against the USD, the MYR class will suffer in performance Based =/= hedged. An Asia Pacific fund based in USD doesn't matter at all cause all that matters is the start and end currency. RM > USD > TWD for example. The fund is denominated in USD but it is still merely an intermediary currency. The forex risk is only within the start and end currency.If you are talking purely in currency exchange, then you are right, but not in UT in general Now this is obviously not the case if the fund is hedged in USD. Ponzi 2 is hedged in 3 currency class namely USD, SGD and MYR. This post has been edited by contestchris: Jan 23 2017, 08:50 PM |
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Jan 23 2017, 08:53 PM
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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 23 2017, 02:17 PM) i had read may past posting about allocations, some posted about their portfolio allocation..... was wondering,... after having selected the "diversified "portfolio...(for example: the above post) how does one go about setting the allocations? example.....some go for india 5% and some go for india at 16% how does each of you determine the allocations for the fund? There is no hard and fast rule. Some people prefer China, some India, some Indonesia, some Singapore etc for a country specific risk exposure. You choose one country and about 5-25% exposure for it based on which country you think will do best over the next X years. |
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Jan 23 2017, 08:54 PM
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Jan 23 2017, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE(ykit_88 @ Jan 23 2017, 02:49 PM) Hi guys. Check out RHB US Focus Equity Fund if you have the risk appetite.My 6 months portfolio as below: RHB AIF - 37.5% Eastspring Global EM - 37.5% Manulife India - 25% Planning to get Ponzi 2.0 and AmReits later. And then some US exposure fund later. I'm pondering between Manulife US/TA Global/Global Titan. Any advise? p/s: not getting any bond fund coz I have my flexi acc. |
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Jan 23 2017, 09:01 PM
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If anybody wants, read these slides. From Maybank. Quite good. 2017 market outlook, many themes.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/tr4rnb1nebvna02/...a3lSQGvusa?dl=0 |
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Jan 23 2017, 10:37 PM
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Guys, I was just looking through my portfolio performance again today. And one thing stands out the most when I look at the most volatile funds out of the 9 funds I have...it is the RHB Asian Income Fund!!! This was supposed to be the lowest risk fund I have, with some portion allocated to bonds. How come it is so volatile one? Go up and go down with no rhyme and reason, and that too by a lot.
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Jan 23 2017, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Jan 23 2017, 10:53 PM) Hey bro, thank you very much for your input. Short term ok lah, long term it will leave you exposed.Well, when i started selecting the funds that I wanted to invest in, I shorlisted 6 funds in total in which i would want to invest in. So deicded to randomly invest in at least 2 out of the 6 shortlisted funds first and then to thereafter invest in the balance 4 funds once my Fd matures (end of January and the second which is around March). So, just to ask, it's ok to invest in those 2 funds right ? |
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 23 2017, 10:47 PM) [attachmentid=8432571] You see how volatile is it. It went up, now 3 days also go down. It went up a lot, then down a lot. Means very many volatility about it. Where can RHB Asian Income high volatility? All your other eight funds money market fund ar? Xuzen ![]() This post has been edited by contestchris: Jan 23 2017, 11:04 PM |
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QUOTE(vincabby @ Jan 24 2017, 11:31 AM) either he adapt and take the UT way with lesser expectations or go back to stocks where for now, he belongs. one, for one, is getting a bit peeved with constantly hammering the need to chill and take a break because it's long term and somehow it's not dialled in. Sir I am sorry. I do not play stocks. But at the same time my entry point is proof that if you can skillfully time your investments, more gains are possible. But that is a dead topic, for now I am too new and just want to keep my portfolio as it is. Every day I tell myself, "if I switched yesterday it would have been bad". Cause the markets keep turning.I have no credentials, just game time in the game. If he's a money maker sifu, then so be it. quoting ramjade " don't listen to this, i might give wrong info" |
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 24 2017, 08:04 PM) okay little brother. (yes I call you one because you remind me of that little brother that we all have) so do listen up. you may believe that you are right by doing multiple switching after all its your prerogative but I would like to point out that there's a long delay between your switch transactions and with multiple transactions in a year those lag days will accumulate and instead of appreciating your money will shrink in front of your very eyes. compounding the fact that you are being charged multiple service charges and switching fees. What? That's not how switching works dude. reflect on that for me little brother. happy Chinese new year. If I switch on 13th Jan, yes it takes 3-4 days for that switch to show up in my account. But behind the scenes, the first fund is "sold" and the second fund is "bought" on that same day. So you do not actually lose any days while switching. There are no service charges for this, and switching fees only applies to some companies (Manulife and RHB only as far as I know). This post has been edited by contestchris: Jan 24 2017, 08:14 PM |
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 24 2017, 08:25 PM) Is that how it works in CIMB click? When I say switch, obviously I mean intra-house switch lah. Inter house switch is effectively selling then buying. Intra-house switch should be no lag, on any platform. The execution should be on that very same day, even if visually this is shown delayed to end users.In FSM there is intra and inter fund house switch. Inter fund house switch there is normally a 2 day lag and service charge. |
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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 24 2017, 08:34 PM) You can define your own meaning but in FSM and the general audiance here, we read the word 'switch' to include both type of switches. Uh ok, whatever man. As far as I know, "switch" funds has the default meaning of switching between intra-house funds. In fact neither M2U nor CIMB Clicks allow me to switch to another fund house. So this is the first time I am hearing such things, from you!Now tell us how you intend to do intra switches with your 9 equity funds. |
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QUOTE(kd88 @ Jan 24 2017, 08:31 PM) I need to get something at the end of the month as well. I am thinking either Eastspring Global Emerging Markets Fund or the Affin Hwang Select Asia Ex Japan Quantum Fund, but the latter will leave me overexposed in Asia.This post has been edited by contestchris: Jan 24 2017, 08:54 PM |
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