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contestchris
post Jan 16 2017, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 16 2017, 09:34 PM)
Which fund nav will go down after trump become president? Ponzi 1 or cimb global? I plan buy when nav down
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Bobby no one knows. If so easy to answer every investor also already can become millionaire easily.
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post Jan 16 2017, 10:54 PM

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Guys any chance for an Asian and Malaysian stock market comeback tomorrow? Or is it going to be red red red till Trump is inaugurated and CNY?

How can we sleep if all days also red red red?

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post Jan 16 2017, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Jan 16 2017, 11:07 PM)
It's Hang Seng Index, not Seng Heng. You have mixed up with the Electric appliances shop.
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LOL!!! I knew it didn't sound right! How could I mix it up.
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post Jan 16 2017, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jan 16 2017, 11:32 PM)
Aren't you invested in China?
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I am...which means I can't sleep! I am just overthinking stuff man. I shouldn't be - I should just leave and come back in 6 months and see how things are going...but no. I insist in my believe that if I am more "hands on" I can make even better returns, but so far I don't have the guts to make a switch.

Still, I'm invested in Greater China, where exposure to Hong Kong is more than China itself, and Hong Kong Dollar is pegged to the USD.
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post Jan 16 2017, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 16 2017, 11:43 PM)
You should be able to sleep even if your investment drop by 15%. That's my own personal experience and said by those who do passive investment.

If you cannot sleep because it's red, maybe you have to switch to something which is less volatile?
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Could it be excitement since it is "new" to me? Will it wear off with time?
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post Jan 17 2017, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 16 2017, 11:59 PM)
Actually if you want able to sleep might want to look into the way turtle investor does (SG blogger)

He invest in only 4 stuff
- World index
- STI
- Singapore bond index
- REITS

Checkput how bogleheads invest. Some use 3 funds, some use 4 funds.

No need monitoring, just dump in 30, 30, 30, 10. Very easy, lazy and have good night sleep. laugh.gif

How much did you lose? If only 0.xx%, come back when you have experienced 15% loss (my experience with ASG) within 1-2 monthd of buying. That will make you a stronger person.

Had I withdraw that time, straight lose 15%. I hold for 3 years. (that time don't know anything about UT/FSM). Keep in mind these was about 25% of what I have. Kind of heart sick seeing your 25% just got wipe out by 15% and some more I was a student. No income. That was my own savings.
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For you is just 25%, for me is 100% wor. Everything I got I dump into the funds in one go. Actually so far I don't have a losing day. Even today my net gain is somehow still 0.008%. But tomorrow I will have a net loss. For sure.

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post Jan 17 2017, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jan 17 2017, 12:32 AM)
Kind of hard to lose money if you are diversified actually.
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I think I'm diversified. It's just, by nature of it, day to day you have some days being net gains and some days being net losses. So far I have experienced 3 weeks of continuous net portfolio gains, no portfolio loss yet. I think it's normal, but just something new for me personally. What scares me is that when that first red comes, it will keep being red for the next 3 weeks....
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QUOTE(lee82gx @ Jan 17 2017, 09:51 AM)
Any reasons you guys now why the Eastspring small cap fund still not reflecting the dividend distribution?

I asked the FSM helpdesk they say its Eastspring fault for not updating yet. But I
m still curious.
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I hope someone can respond to the comment above.

Is it just a visual thing (i.e. the dividend actually had been reinvested) or how?

To @lee82gx, whats the total value of your holdings in the Small Cap fund as reflected in your account?
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post Jan 17 2017, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Jan 17 2017, 07:05 PM)
Login in to fsm....the distributed extra units updated
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Based on what date are the units reinvested? Today, or the date the dividends were distributed?
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post Jan 17 2017, 09:49 PM

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How come today markets rebound? Like yoyo only lah this...one day up, one day down...
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post Jan 18 2017, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(iampokemon @ Jan 18 2017, 07:52 PM)
Guys, I'm not sure if this is answered before but what does is means by annual expense ratio 1.69%?

From what I see it should be 2% + 1.5% + 0.07% = 3.57% per annum?

And min fee of RM18,000 per annum means this is the minimum amount I need to put in the fund?

This is quite confusing.

FUND CHARGES
Fundsupermart's Discounted Initial Sales Charge* 2 %
Annual Management Charge* 1.5 %
Trustee Fee* 0.07% of NAV or subject to a minimum fee of RM18,000 per annum.
Other Significant Fees* Switching Fee: RM 25.00
Annual Expense Ratio ^ 1.69% (as of December 31, 2015)
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You shouldn't really care about those charges as they are all priced into the NAV of a unit in the fund.

But, the Annual Expense Ratio (also known as MER - Management Expense Ratio) is roughly the amount you "lose" to management fees each year. Sales charge/switching charge is NOT included in this as they are considered to be one-time, rather than continuous charges. Management fees are things like Trustee Fees and Annual Management fees.

So let's say Fund A has a MER of 1.69% for 2016. The returns for investors for 2016 from the same fund is 8.72%. Thus from this info, you can gain that the "true" performance of the fund is actually 1.69 + 8.72 = 10.41%.

At least I think that's how it is. In Malaysia most funds have a MER of around 1.5-2.1%.
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post Jan 18 2017, 08:17 PM

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Guys, everyday I tell myself "lucky I didn't switch yesterday". It's like a yo yo man. Keeps going back and forth. Today super day in Greater China, tomorrow I can almost bet things would go south.
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Jan 18 2017, 11:09 AM)
thanks everyone for the feedback. Just wanted to hear some testimonials that this is a reliable service. So i guess i will jump in.
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If you really have some fear, use CIMB Clicks to start off. I did that. Instantaneous and SC is 2.5%, not that far away from FSM. But going forward I plan to use FSM.
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post Jan 18 2017, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(2387581 @ Jan 18 2017, 12:11 PM)
My current portfolio in FSM consists of

Porfolio % [Initial Cash] / Name / (Holding time)

37.5% RHB Emerging Markets Bond Fund (5 months)
37.5% RHB Asian Income Fund (5 months)
12.5% CIMB AP Dynamic Income Fund (1 month)
12.5% CIMB Greater China Equity Fund (2 weeks)

As you can see it is still at an infant stage where I am slowly building up.
Any advice on where should I diversify / rebalance?
I'm thinking of reducing the RHB AIF to a more aggressive fund.

Another question is, for these funds above, what peer funds do I compare these with?
For example I compare CIMB Greater China with other three within the same geographical sectors and similar holdings (EI Dinasti, Manulife China Eq, Pacific Focus)
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First of all that is a very poorly diversified portfolio - almost everything is in Asia ex Japan. Asia ex Japan is currently the golden goose, but if you want hands-off long term passive investment, this is a bad portfolio. You need some global equities, some developed regional equities, some emerging equities and some local equities in there.

At least this is how I would do it:

15% local
15% emerging markets
20% global/developed
50% Asia

My starting portfolio for reference (all bought on 27 Dec 2016)

RHB Asian Income --- 6.7%
RHB US Focus Equity --- 6.7%
CIMB Greater China Equity --- 13.3%
CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income --- 20.0%
CIMB Global Titans --- 13.3%
TA European Equity --- 6.7%
Affin Hwang Select Asia ex Japan Opportunity --- 6.7%
Eastspring Small Cap --- 13.3%
Kenanga Growth --- 6.7%

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post Jan 18 2017, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(iampokemon @ Jan 18 2017, 09:40 PM)
So if the fund performance is written 10% gain, it is actually the nett earning percentage already right? Or I need to deduct 1.69% out of the 10%?
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It's already nett. That 10% gain is the gain seen by investors and they don't need to deduct anything else above it (except if say your service charge was 2% and the gain was 10%, then your actual net gain is only around roughly 8%).
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post Jan 19 2017, 09:48 PM

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Guys, please man. Help me.

Yesterday was a good day for Asian markets. Hang Seng Index was up by 1.20%. Yet why my Greater China Fund makes up a measly 0.19%, and my Asian Pacific Dynamic Income fund lost 0.11%? Not logical. Was this affected by the appreciating Ringgit in any way? I'm at loss for words!
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post Jan 20 2017, 01:11 AM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jan 20 2017, 01:07 AM)
Hang Seng is just the HK market. There's another index for the PRC market.

https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/SHCOMP:IND

APDI does not only invest in China, other AP countries did not do as well.
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But most PRC stocks are listed on HK or US market. Look at the top holding assets of the CIMB Greater China fund, none are actually listed in China.

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post Jan 21 2017, 02:15 PM

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0.351%
0.158%
0.267%
0.476%
0.396%
0.710%
-0.118%
0.079%
0.392%
0.230%
0.134%
0.008%
-0.238%
0.245%
-0.061%
-0.023%

[Gross growth: 3.043%, Net gains (taking into account SC): 0.311%]

Friends, the above is my day-to-day portfolio performance from the time I bought it (Dec 27) till now. As you can see 3 of the 4 most recent days are losses, and Friday will be another loss (pricing for Friday will only be published on Monday). Should I withdraw my money, and put it back in once the global markets stabilize? Another issue is that over the past week the ringgit has slightly strengthened from RM4.49 to ~RM4.45, hence this kind of reduces gains/increases losses for all the regional/global funds.

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post Jan 22 2017, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jan 22 2017, 03:04 PM)
If you walk in to cimb bank to say you want to buy prs, a sales staff will serve you. That 3% is for that sales staff. So, no it's not direct. Direct is when you send in to cimb principal office.

Fsm choose not to charge sales charge to attract us to buy from them. As simple as that. Fsm gain from the annual management fees that cimb give them.
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To be honest I did buy my UT from CIMB clickcs online independently without consulting any of their staff but they still charge me 2.5%
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post Jan 22 2017, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(drcumee @ Jan 22 2017, 06:32 PM)
hi to all sifu
first of all i want to say thanks. i have been reading and learning so much. have just started some basic investment in UT via FSM. I got ponzi 2.0. after much reading and pondering. This is the portfolio I have in mind which i would like to execute and would like your kind opinions if I can as I am still very new in this. thank you in advance.

manulife investment us equity fund
KGF
manulife india equity fund
ponzi 2.0 -> i have
cimb principal global titans fund -> i have
libra asnitabond fund -> i have
cimb principal china-india-indonesia equity fund vs cimb greater china equity fund

would really value all opinion, criticisms and suggestions. thank you all!
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