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 Fixed Deposit Rates In Malaysia V. No.15, Strictly for FD Discussion Only

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contestchris
post Jan 19 2023, 07:39 PM

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Nvm, I found the RHB offer. Need to log in to see.

One question to all sifus:

"Upon maturity, the e-CMDi/e-FD placement amount together with the profit/ interest earned shall be automatically renewed to an ordinary Comodity Murabahah Deposit-i (“CMD-i”) / Fixed Deposit (“FD”) with the same tenure at the prevailing board rate as per published in RHB Group website."

Unlike my experience with MBB and Affin which clearly state that at maturity the principal and interest earned will be deposited back into my savings account, how will it work in this case? I must manually "cancel" the FD placement is it? If so, any troubles with that? I'd have much preferred if it was auto, but if manual, anything to be aware of? If it starts renewing to another term, will I incur any penalty for "cancelling" it?
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post Jan 20 2023, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(fabu8238 @ Jan 20 2023, 11:08 AM)
Sentiments change. Why FD rates drop when OPR unchanged? Is this justified? My guess is if banks drop their FD rates too much and fast I may not be convinced if ringgit weakens, inflation stays high and 3M KLIBOR rate stays unchanged. That's my humble take now.
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Because the banks were to some level betting OPR was rising and they thought they will win. But now OPR unchanged so their bet won't pay off.
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post Jan 20 2023, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(woowoo1 @ Jan 20 2023, 09:41 AM)
Actually, RHB do permit uplift on maturity. The only confusing part is the interest will not be shown in your principal b4 you uplift on maturity date. Once you successfully uplift and b4 you press proceed, it will tell you how much you are uplifting and the amount would be principal+interest. So do take note
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Is this done manually or automatically?
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post Jan 20 2023, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Jan 20 2023, 09:56 AM)
Affin super fast, new FD promo rate !

Affin Bank FD promotion rate FOR INVIKTA CUSTOMER:

Applicable for both conventional and islamic FD account

3 months 3.88%p.a.
4 months 3.98%p.a.
6 months 4.00%p.a.
9 months 4.05%p.a.
12 months 4.20%p.a.

Minimum placement amount RM50K

Promotion period from 20/1/2023 until 3/2/20233

*rate subject to changes from time to time, will update again if there is any

*Invikta FD rate only applicable placement over the counter

*Invikta FD rate not applicable for online FD placement
Affin Bank FD promotion rate:

Applicable for both conventional and islamic FD account

3 months 3.73%p.a.
4 months 3.83%p.a.
6 months 3.85%p.a.
9 months 3.90%p.a.
12 months 4.05%p.a.

Minimum placement amount RM8K

Promotion period 20/1/2023 until 3/2/2023

*rate subject to changes from time to time, will update again if there is any

*FD rate only applicable placement over the counter

*this FD rate not applicable for online FD placement
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This is the latest Affin eFD rates: https://www.affinalways.com/storage/campaig...ign-TnC-ENG.pdf

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Affin's 4m has gone up, previosuly was 3.85%. This is probably the best 4m rate there is out there.

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post Jan 20 2023, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(mrhseinpingq @ Jan 20 2023, 08:16 PM)
Why RHB not doing Promotion FD online
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Yes they have, 4.08% for 8m. I just placed today.

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post Jan 20 2023, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(jyll92 @ Jan 20 2023, 08:51 PM)
i placed too using fpx but i cant see anything
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Not sure if FPX have a delay or not, maybe others can comment. But I transferred from my RHB CASA and it is reflected immediately.
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post Jan 20 2023, 08:59 PM

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QUOTE(mrhseinpingq @ Jan 20 2023, 08:57 PM)
Do you have the RHB link for this promotion?

8m 4.08% when promotion end?
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No link, must login to Internet / App banking. Ends sometime in February.
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post Jan 20 2023, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(mrhseinpingq @ Jan 20 2023, 09:00 PM)
So need fresh fund FPX and also only 8months 4.1% available?
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It is FPX or RHB funds, both can.

Rate is 4.08% for 8m

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https://www.rhbgroup.com/pdf/tnc-8-months-cny-efd.pdf

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post Jan 20 2023, 09:08 PM

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Guys, what does the following statement mean?

"Annual effective rate for eight (8) months tenure is 3.64% p.a. assuming FD is renewed with the same tenure at the prevailing board rate as per published in RHB Banking Group website."

How do you get an annual effective rate of 3.64% from 8m 4.08%?
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post Jan 21 2023, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(cclim2011 @ Jan 21 2023, 12:46 PM)
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updated. removed old rates / promo not sure still valid or not. let me know on any updates ya.
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May I know how does a "Term Investment Account" (TIA) differ from a FD? Why does it offer higher returns?

HLIB website says it is a low-moderate risk investment but doesn't explain what makes it riskier compared to FD.

Are the rates guaranteed?
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post Jan 23 2023, 03:20 AM

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QUOTE(GrumpyDiver @ Jan 23 2023, 12:55 AM)
I would not want to bet against Malaysian FD rates not exceeding 4.8% over the next 12 months. When PBB had 12m FD at 4.3% and 24m FD at 4.8%, they were effectively saying that they expected 12m FD rates above 5.3% in January 2024.

The US is going to keep raising the Fed Funds rate to reign in inflation even if they trigger a recession. I wonder how high they will go this year. Those with long memories will remember the 70s and 80s when the Fed Funds rate was very high. Will the Fed push Fed Funds above 10% or 15% this year?
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How do you come across that conclusion is Para 1? ZERO chance 12m FD at 5.3% in a years time man. For us to hit that OPR needs 4 to 5 25bps hikes. Which is insane given inflation has been moderating the last six months.

FYI in any case, forward OPR curve is not the only consideration when setting FD rates across longer tenures.

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post Jan 23 2023, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyDiver @ Jan 23 2023, 12:57 PM)
Total interest paid for 24mths @4.8% = total interest paid for first 12mths @4.3% plus total interest paid for second 12mths @X%. Solve for X and you should get 5.3%.

The bank would maximise profit if they minimise their costs in terms of interest paid on deposits. Therefore they should only have offered the 24mths FD @4.8% if they expect the 12mth FD interest rate in January 2024 to be 5.3% or higher.
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But there are so many other considerations as well. One reason banks can offer higher interest for longer dated FDs is usually the attrition rate, where depositors forfeit the interest due to early withdrawal. Some more this was 24 months.

Also, locking in longer-term funding can result in capital savings and deployment of capital elsewhere.

It's not all black and white.
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post Jan 27 2023, 12:31 AM

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QUOTE(Don don @ Jan 27 2023, 12:29 AM)
Hi all sifu what benefit fd put in 1month with 1year?

As I know 1year fd rate higher then 1month rate but if put 1month ez take out anytime becoz every month got interest
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Yes you’ve covered all the points.
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post Feb 1 2023, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(frankliew @ Feb 1 2023, 03:31 PM)
RHB OTC 4.20% 1 Year
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Why OTC and eFD have different rates? Isn't it less cost for online?
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post Feb 7 2023, 09:06 PM

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RHB eFD 12m @ 4.20%

https://www.rhbgroup.com/fd/index.html?utm_...aign=atlcny2023
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post Feb 10 2023, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(Afterburner1.0 @ Feb 10 2023, 09:33 AM)
Agree looking at the fundamentals and analysis.... maybe even 5%...so hold ur horses or put into short term FD first.... good times will be back very soon...
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Curious what are all these things you’re seeing….fundamentally we are at most one hike from neutral. How do FD rates go to 5%?
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post Mar 7 2023, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(ikanbilis @ Mar 7 2023, 01:13 PM)
All so called analysts got it wrong (except one) the last time. So they dont know any better than us.
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Analyst memang buta and suka herding...can ignore their "wisdom" by and large
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QUOTE(oldkiasu @ Mar 10 2023, 10:30 AM)
Normally the simple interest formula for FD Interest = Principal x Rate/100 x Number of Days/365 for banks using the 365 divisor method.

However, for customers of banks using the Leap Year method (Maybank, Ambank and who else?), the simple interest formula used is

FD Interest = Principal x Rate/100 x Number of Interest Bearing Days in Non-Leap Year/365 + Principal x Rate/100 x Number of Interest Bearing Days in Leap Year/366

which can be simplified to

FD Interest = Interest Payable per IBD x IBD in Non-Leap Year + Interest Payable per IBD x IBD in Leap Year

If OTC place at Ambank on Monday 3 April 2023 for 1 year, there will be 273 IBD for year 2023, and 93 IBD for year 2024.

If OTC place on Tuesday 4 April 2023, there will be 272 IBD for year 2023, and 94 IBD for year 2024.

The total FD Interest to be paid decreases after each day in 2023 as the IBD for year 2023 decreases and the IBD of 2024 increases.

Usually occassional FD placers are not bothered or rather it can be said that they are hapless to do anything.

For bank staff or staff handling fixed deposit funds, this is an issue as they have to explain the decreasing interests to clients or auditors.

For clients that make a few placements at the same rate, they are disappointed. That is if they are observant enough to check what they get for each placement.

For businesses or those who set aside a  certain set sum on a regular basis weekly or monthly, this changes/upsets their cashflow expectations - whether they use it to pay for things in a year or for buying medicine or installments.

Of course rich people without any cashflow plans/needs do not understand such things as it is beyond their experience to be poorer.
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Tl;dr?
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post Mar 10 2023, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(oldkiasu @ Mar 10 2023, 10:30 AM)
Normally the simple interest formula for FD Interest = Principal x Rate/100 x Number of Days/365 for banks using the 365 divisor method.

However, for customers of banks using the Leap Year method (Maybank, Ambank and who else?), the simple interest formula used is

FD Interest = Principal x Rate/100 x Number of Interest Bearing Days in Non-Leap Year/365 + Principal x Rate/100 x Number of Interest Bearing Days in Leap Year/366

which can be simplified to

FD Interest = Interest Payable per IBD x IBD in Non-Leap Year + Interest Payable per IBD x IBD in Leap Year

If OTC place at Ambank on Monday 3 April 2023 for 1 year, there will be 273 IBD for year 2023, and 93 IBD for year 2024.

If OTC place on Tuesday 4 April 2023, there will be 272 IBD for year 2023, and 94 IBD for year 2024.

The total FD Interest to be paid decreases after each day in 2023 as the IBD for year 2023 decreases and the IBD of 2024 increases.

Usually occassional FD placers are not bothered or rather it can be said that they are hapless to do anything.

For bank staff or staff handling fixed deposit funds, this is an issue as they have to explain the decreasing interests to clients or auditors.

For clients that make a few placements at the same rate, they are disappointed. That is if they are observant enough to check what they get for each placement.

For businesses or those who set aside a  certain set sum on a regular basis weekly or monthly, this changes/upsets their cashflow expectations - whether they use it to pay for things in a year or for buying medicine or installments.

Of course rich people without any cashflow plans/needs do not understand such things as it is beyond their experience to be poorer.
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The difference is worth RM0.32 sen per day per million Ringgit placed in FD. As each day passes before you place the FD, you will earn RM0.32 less.

How do other banks do it? Like RHB? Shouldn't this be standard anyways?

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post Mar 15 2023, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Mar 15 2023, 02:28 PM)
More focused on loans & CC....

Can make more $$$ from these...

FD is not their main selling products.... So no need many or good rate promotion....

And since OPR maintain.... Less headaches
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Ummm not sure if you're aware, but deposits are liabilities that fund their assets, meaning credit cards and housing loans.

If anything, FD is a relatively costly source of funding, MBB for example has access to much cheaper cost of funds. Also FD is a great tool to manage ALM risk, but its not the only tool.

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