QUOTE(download88 @ Sep 6 2022, 04:40 PM)
Long term, MYR will always be down against major currencies.USD/MYR v5
USD/MYR v5
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Sep 6 2022, 08:13 PM
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Sep 8 2022, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 4 2022, 08:44 AM) I won't bother with Swiss. Cause I always pro US. US companies are superior to Swiss except their banks. Never ever bet against the US economy. If you want to invest why settle for 2nd best when you can buy the best? Totally understand where you are coming from, because I am also a pro US when it comes to investments. I totally concur with your explanations on why US markets shall be the preferred choice. It's about making your money work most efficiently..By buying Swiss stocks, you are not maximising your money working efficiently. That's why I invest only in US companies. There are dividend tax in Swiss and there are dividens tax in US. However there are no caoital gain tax in US for us. Hence use that. Pay less tax and keep the savings and invest in. How? Buy spy or qqq etf and sell covered calls on them. Generate 1% per month tax free money. That's what my friend in sg doing. It's the safest tax free way cause you are investing in etf. There's no timing market or choosing what to buy. Yea you calmed them back from Swiss govt but you need to file a tax file with them and do it every year. Do you want easy hassle free Vs you want to file tax return for small summit dividends? But then again the choice is yours. It's your money. That's why I only invest in US and US listed Canada companies cause US listed Canada companies, their dividends are only tax at 15% Vs Swiss at 35%. I don't bother with dividend investing in US. If you want to do dividend investing, stick with HK, SG, UK some part of Europe and Canada. Cause some part of Europe and Canada their dividend tax is only 15% Vs US at 30% and there's no need to file any tax return. Make your life easier. My way is always keep it simple. Don't complicate things. Why do you want to complicate our life with more paperwork? Our life is already complicated. I don't need additional layer of complications. To sum it up, my investment style is 1. Never bet against the US market. 2. Buy quality companies, why settle for 2nd best? 3. Pay less tax where possible. 4. Keep it simple. 4. Keep your cost low. Just that I thought, US markets are larger, with more market movement, with better yield, that also meant if things go south, they tends to be one of the hardest been hit as well. So I figure on top of owning a ferarri, perhaps I shall also get a tamed Toyota Camry instead, if anything went wrong with the ferrari, i still got a Toyota aka diversification. And I see Swiss as a rather stable and well managed market. And so ngam, I have fate with Swiss and got the opportunities to invest in Swiss, which is why it ended up as part of my consideration, as it is a rather conservative market that is hard for an outsider to tap into SIX. But of course, you raised a very good point, the taxes are higher compared to US, so now it is up to me to really determine whether it is worthwhile to have it as my Toyota or not, or I need to find some other market for my Toyota This post has been edited by MasBoleh!: Sep 8 2022, 02:23 PM |
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Sep 8 2022, 02:29 PM
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whats the best way to be exposed to USD short of opening a foreign curr account at banks?
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Sep 8 2022, 02:58 PM
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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Sep 8 2022, 02:22 PM) Totally understand where you are coming from, because I am also a pro US when it comes to investments. I totally concur with your explanations on why US markets shall be the preferred choice. If you want tax free country for dividends, HK, SG and UK.Just that I thought, US markets are larger, with more market movement, with better yield, that also meant if things go south, they tends to be one of the hardest been hit as well. So I figure on top of owning a ferarri, perhaps I shall also get a tamed Toyota Camry instead, if anything went wrong with the ferrari, i still got a Toyota aka diversification. And I see Swiss as a rather stable and well managed market. And so ngam, I have fate with Swiss and got the opportunities to invest in Swiss, which is why it ended up as part of my consideration, as it is a rather conservative market that is hard for an outsider to tap into SIX. But of course, you raised a very good point, the taxes are higher compared to US, so now it is up to me to really determine whether it is worthwhile to have it as my Toyota or not, or I need to find some other market for my Toyota QUOTE(FLampard @ Sep 8 2022, 02:29 PM) Buy US reits on sgx. They pay in USD. MasBoleh! liked this post
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Sep 8 2022, 02:59 PM
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Sep 8 2022, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(FLampard @ Sep 8 2022, 02:59 PM) If you want to avoid Malaysian foreign exchange rate rip off,1. Open sg bank acocunt. 2. Deposit money into SG using Sunway money or TransferWise. You get close to or money changer rate. 3. Open interactive broker and deposit the SGD. 4. Use interactive broker to convert SGD into USD at spot rate (real time rates without any markup) This post has been edited by Ramjade: Sep 8 2022, 04:21 PM |
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Sep 8 2022, 05:28 PM
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What's the best way/platform to convert USD to MYR?
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Sep 8 2022, 05:33 PM
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Sep 8 2022, 05:43 PM
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Sep 8 2022, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE(MystiqueLife @ Sep 8 2022, 05:43 PM) I checked Wise online calculator, the final amount after fees deductions are lower than what bank could give me. Hence, I'm looking for another method other than Wise. Well,... off the top of my head,... for myself, if I needed to bring back USD for use in Msia, the best way would be to TT the funds back to my SG Multi-Currency Acct. Then on my next trip to SG, withdraw from my SG bank in the form of USD cash, carry the USD back to Msia, chg into MYR at the money-changer. |
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Sep 8 2022, 07:19 PM
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Sep 8 2022, 07:44 PM
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Sep 8 2022, 07:53 PM
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QUOTE(beLIEve @ Sep 6 2022, 08:13 PM) Everything has to do with confidence.When people don't have faith in the Ringgit and with expectation of further devaluation, it will become a self fulfilling prophecy. It's similar to a bank run. This post has been edited by Chrono-Trigger: Sep 8 2022, 08:10 PM |
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Sep 8 2022, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 8 2022, 07:44 PM) Deposit into MYR first, then use transfereise to convert to USD. You can only hold max rm10k inside TransferWise. How do you deposit MYR from bank account to MYR Wise account? Is there a charge because it is the same currency?How do you transfer from Wise MYR to Wise USD? |
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Sep 8 2022, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Sep 8 2022, 07:53 PM) Unless Malaysia pursues a strong ringgit policy, which means tighter monetary policy with focus to fight inflation , but with lower growth. A currency exchange rate is not determined by the country but by external demand. If most countries in the world see Malaysia as a country which cannot promote economic growth , high corruption (1MDB), political bickering (like what we have now), unstable govt etc . nobody wants to invest in MYR.A country can peg and try to defend a stronger exchange rate but it will lose a lot of foreign reserves defending a stronger exchange rate. Malaysia is now basically bankrupt to defend a stronger exchange rate. Everyday we see in the news , this political party court case, that political party winning or losing by-election but nobody actually wants to promote economic growth and reduce inflation. Real inflation is at more than 100% now. Retirees with no income are suffering. This post has been edited by ericthai: Sep 8 2022, 08:10 PM MystiqueLife and Ramjade liked this post
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Sep 8 2022, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE(ericthai @ Sep 8 2022, 08:02 PM) How do you deposit MYR from bank account to MYR Wise account? Is there a charge because it is the same currency? You can use FPX. For me, I wouldn't just hold USD. I will make my USD work.How do you transfer from Wise MYR to Wise USD? Hence my preferred way is 1. MYR -> fintech -> Sg banks -> Interactive broker -> USD use converted USD and invest it. |
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Sep 8 2022, 08:23 PM
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QUOTE(ericthai @ Sep 8 2022, 08:07 PM) A currency exchange rate is not determined by the country but by external demand. If most countries in the world see Malaysia as a country which cannot promote economic growth , high corruption (1MDB), political bickering (like what we have now), unstable govt etc . nobody wants to invest in MYR. external demand?A country can peg and try to defend a stronger exchange rate but it will lose a lot of foreign reserves defending a stronger exchange rate. Malaysia is now basically bankrupt to defend a stronger exchange rate. Everyday we see in the news , this political party court case, that political party winning or losing by-election but nobody actually wants to promote economic growth and reduce inflation. Real inflation is at more than 100% now. Retirees with no income are suffering. If I remember correctly reading one article, it says the current devaluation of ringgit isn't caused much by lack of external demand, rather - the exporters, investors holding on to their US Dollars account , and not converting back their proceeds from USD to Ringgit. It's the Malaysians themselves, the savvy ones, the richer ones (with extra money to invest and with investment to protect), that is having a bank run on Ringgit. no? |
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Sep 8 2022, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE(ericthai @ Sep 8 2022, 08:07 PM) A currency exchange rate is not determined by the country but by external demand. If most countries in the world see Malaysia as a country which cannot promote economic growth , high corruption (1MDB), political bickering (like what we have now), unstable govt etc . nobody wants to invest in MYR. Sad but true.A country can peg and try to defend a stronger exchange rate but it will lose a lot of foreign reserves defending a stronger exchange rate. Malaysia is now basically bankrupt to defend a stronger exchange rate. Everyday we see in the news , this political party court case, that political party winning or losing by-election but nobody actually wants to promote economic growth and reduce inflation. Real inflation is at more than 100% now. Retirees with no income are suffering. |
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Sep 8 2022, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Sep 8 2022, 08:23 PM) external demand? Everyday, the international financial managers (stationed in USA, Europe, Japan) who have trillions of USD play in the currency exchange market just like how Malaysians play in the stock market. If I remember correctly reading one article, it says the current devaluation of ringgit isn't caused much by lack of external demand, rather - the exporters, investors holding on to their US Dollars account , and not converting back their proceeds from USD to Ringgit. It's the Malaysians themselves, the savvy ones, the richer ones (with extra money to invest and with investment to protect), that is having a bank run on Ringgit. no? George Soros was one of them who played and crashed the ringgit and baht in 1997. They are the ones determining the exchange rate by selling or buying ringgit in large quantity affecting the exchange rate and not bank negara. Bank negara is just a small fly. If they see a country managing their country well, they will buy that currency in hope of currency appreciation in the future (they earn money on appreciation of currency). Nobody wants to buy ringgit because the country is managed badly. If not for oil reserves, our country will be like Sri Lanka now. This post has been edited by ericthai: Sep 8 2022, 08:50 PM |
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Sep 8 2022, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 8 2022, 08:19 PM) You can use FPX. For me, I wouldn't just hold USD. I will make my USD work. I am a newbie in fintech, how to open up an account there? Any links?Hence my preferred way is 1. MYR -> fintech -> Sg banks -> Interactive broker -> USD use converted USD and invest it. Do you invest in US stocks or currency with USD? |
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