what is the use of the round part at the middle of the cone. the sonus faber is round round but looks like a pail. what if the cone is broken?

what do you mean like pail?
i assume if you said that is mid bass phase plug. which actually both driver are equipted with phase plug. while tweeter are radiator ring tweeter.
the so call pail part won't move with the speaker cone. it's there to reflex some frequencies so that it doesn't focus in front of driver and hence enhance sound stage and eliminate unwanted high frequencies "not" (frequencies interference which will greatly enhance amplitude of some specific frequencies.)

if the cone is broken, have to purchase the exact same driver from sonus faber loh. if i am not mistaken, the driver were either scanspeak / vifa brand.
tweeter confirmed is scanspeak.

if the driver looks normal. meaning it only has dust cap.
to cover the voice coil part so that no dust enter the gaps between voice coil and magnet.
IF the dustcap is rosak. either u can purchase normal one in jalan pasar. or u have to buy a whole new driver.
for example, B&W 601 is using rubber dust cap to absorb extra vibration at the edge of the diaphragm which connected to the voice coil. if you replace it with plastic / paper / cloth material dust cap. it will greatly influence the sound.

the lighter the material used such as paper / cloth. the more high frequencies noise you will get.


This post has been edited by PcWork: May 10 2008, 10:49 AM

Sonus Faber is speaker for mids. when the music gets heavy, sonus knows its limit and your ear will start to search for that parts that is missing.

I begin to wonder on my setup (B&W 602 dynamic, clear and deep) , that on one hand i like the rock and roll but the mid and vocal are gone. if you listen to ProAC, Sonus, Opera, they give you hear tons of it. I begin to think is it my amp giving me the problem, which supposedly tube amp (soundstage 1.5) should give me good vocals. then I was told B&W 602 and Soundstage does not match..... .

So i have a problem, and hope to hear your comments. Of course, i will bring my amp and speaker cable to test out at (hi way laser ?)

I have also auditioned the amp like Creek (RM 2400) and Exposure (RM 2600), which sounds more promising than my soundstage amp. however being british amp, u have to follow the british rules. clarity, at the expense of soundstaging. agree ? lets comment.

another amp i auditioned is chinese made Xindak. start with A100 then X6800 (Class A) and then X6950 (Class A). When I start with A100, i was like ok loh. Then X6800 is wow and then X6950 is like wow wow. When you switch amp to a higher class, it seems the speaker soundstaging just open even wider, making the speaker worth the value of a higher class. Being class A amp, I have not actually follow thru the rule to let the unit warm up, and typically takes 15 minutes or so. so I wonder if Chinese would ever make it to the world hifi amp arena. (remember Cayin, now the other chinese amp famous and won praise is AD86N)

This post has been edited by ccschua: May 10 2008, 09:40 PM

What is your budget?? what kind of music you prefer? When you find out your system is not good enough. That is mean your listening skill have improved. Your need better system to fulfill your appetite.

I choose my amplifier based on what speakers I have.
I don't choose my speakers based on what amplifier I have.

If you start all over again, so which one u choose first logically, the amplifier or the speaker first and why.

This post has been edited by ccschua: May 11 2008, 07:02 PM

lol
based on what you do your judgement? which model of sonus did you heard that problem? what amp they use to pair with it when you heard that problem? coolerthings and several forumers come and listen to my tiny concertino and they didn't found that problem either.
i owned 601, then switch to epos ES-11 while keep 601. and comparison shows that ES-11 is way better than 601. then now i know myself where is sonus faber by owning all three sonus faber concertino domus + Epos ES-11 + B&W 601. and i seriously don't find sonus faber concertino domus as lowest end sonus has any lack in bass. the only draw back of sonus faber (which i think a lot speaker does has same similarities, are being extra sensitive to your source. if your CD source is recorded with bad recording. it will sound sucks anyway. as it is less forgiving compared to B&W 601. but on good recording speaker. i seriously don't find sonus lack in any places.
wanna go alvin there and have a proper listen at sonus faber? see if the sonus giving up at heavy music or not?

grandspy will tell u about this as he personally audit it.
well all people in internet said sonus is good in vocal. doesn't mean they are lack at other parts. and get an impression for a brand based on common internet review without properly go and audit it often created biased opinion towards several brand.
go search review of Guarneri Memento with a small bookshelve speaker form factor of 150mm mid bass driver.
and see if any review said that speaker has lack of speed and bass?


dude. do you feel the sonus u heard that day giving up on when musics get heavy? =P
i personally don't find any missing part in the music that day.

This post has been edited by PcWork: May 11 2008, 07:18 PM

I dont listen music to loud level, just enuf to enjoy at ordinary level. I auditioned the speaker with Creek using the tracks from Janis Ian (breaking silence) and 4 play (chant). From my own taste, I feel the B&W 602 S3 bass is more punch and engaging wheareas the sonus is just lacking. Well I happen to listen to the same track using amati (and unison research) and this is a totally different class, perhaps for those who owns Ferrari and Porsche.

BTW, a little off topic. Sifu Pcwork. I happen to see the speaker cable on sale at Amcorp i.e. MIT CL14-4, arrow, Bose. Price range around 350 - 600. Are they good? How about Cable Talk 3 (it seems cable talk 3 receive good review ).

This post has been edited by ccschua: May 11 2008, 07:33 PM

well that's is because creek is not powerful enough to drive sonus. and B&W is easier to drive.
that's all i can say. and if you said amati has good sound. then you shouldn't make the statement "sonus faber is for mid speaker. when it comes to rock it will lack of somethings". it's matter of you can pay the price or not. if you can pay the price. they will be hell good.
u make your statement that sonus faber is not as good just based on one model? which might not even well driven. creek is a big no no to vocal heavy speaker like epos and sonus faber. i have one creek on my hand now send in to solder some loosen part.
it's better that you claim that sonus faber specific model under wat wat amp is not as good as B&W601 at this range.
i can't take one hyundai matrix and compare it to perdana. and saying "hell this luar negara car not even as good as our proton.."

This post has been edited by PcWork: May 11 2008, 07:23 PM

Well my preference tells me so, and the auditions represents my opinion about what I think and feel. No one speaker sound the same, all depends on individidual taste. I am inclined more towards rock, occasionally vocal. So much so, I am getting another reference series speaker which coming soon. and this speaker will give me rock an roll, and the designer is Phil Jones.

How can you be sure that it's due to the limitation of the speakers and not the amplifier? Think about it..


As I've said before, start with the speakers and work your way up to the amp, then the source.
You know what, if possible I want to skip the amplifier part and go straight with the source - speakers, bypassing the amp. Do you know why? well.. think about it first..


Hmmm.... I'll not comment much on the Sonus Faber but let me just say that IMHO, with the right amp, it will blow away most other speakers within their price range, to pieces. But I do understand when people say that SF are not for Rockers. Indeed, even my 13 year old missions have more Zing when fed with some rock music. But then it's just zing and zest with no substance.. pretty emotionless if I may say so. If that's what you're looking for, then SF might not suit you. As for me, give me the SF anytime

btw, I won't be using a RM2,000 amplifier to drive a RM10,000 speakers... although I know someone did just that.. But if it suits you just fine, then all is OK

Cable Talk - Talk 3 is a very fine budget speaker cable. Some time even better than those that cost twice as much. Highly recommended. Used them before. As a matter of fact, I like them so much that I tried to use them to wire my car audio system but they're just too bulky and very unflexible.

Pcwork, I don't know SF Concertino Domus is so difficult to drive well. May i know which amp are you using now?? Please share some experience to us. Thanks!

For my opinion 602 not quite the hi end detail of the SF.

I used to owned a SFCD driven by AR VSi55..

outdoorxplorer, AR vsi55 is good integrated amp. So 50 watt tube amp can drive well!!
Anyway, What is your new system are using now?

ha ha ha.. i am driving my system without any amp as at now.

System without any amp?????????

You mean you are using high end Active Speaker ???

he is using BOSE companion speaker. =)

kkthen, by the way. i am driving my Sonus faber concertino domus with NAD 3020A amp.
it's only rated with 25 watt. but i had request some E&E guys to do more grounding in the machine, extra grounding makes the background of music super quiet. and i am listening at low volume
sonus faber concertino is not hard to drive. but in order to drive it to the taste you want, it require some test and trial.
not just simply blast. it will go loud. but it require good controlling amp so that it "behave" nicely.
creek is one of a big no no according to my experience testing with my own sonus.=)
it will become bright and bottom light.

NAD 3020A... my first ever amplifier. Bought second hand during my uni days, and I had to catch a bus to the guy's house to bring it home. Brings back great memories. What a classic amp!

This post has been edited by Audio Nirvana: May 12 2008, 06:00 PM

yeah. it actually did perform very well
i bring my nad 3020A to several hifi shop when i am going to buy my speaker.
and i found out this NAD drive sonus not bad.
of course,. not to say actually perform it well. but to a level which i enjoyed the music.
and according to a lot of ppl, sonus still has big potential to upgrade if i upgrade my amp.
well i will keep that to the time i have enough money~.
by the way. i had upgraded the internal op amp caps from rubycon 2X 1k+ micro F to parallel configuration of 2 X 1k+ mF + rubycon 2 X 13K+ mf + rubycon 2X 2K+ mF caps.
what i get is. still same sound signature. but faster speed. much more quiet background.
i still keep the old rubycon inside. so the mod is just basically add in parallel caps.
=)

This post has been edited by PcWork: May 12 2008, 06:09 PM