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post Feb 13 2017, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Feb 13 2017, 10:56 AM)
It's actually an M113 (a pure APC) which was reconfigured into an IFV by the additon of a autocannon turret, firing ports and spaced steel armor.
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Upgraded engine too? Still not very advanced, I don't think the armour can resist RPG.
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post Feb 13 2017, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Feb 13 2017, 02:34 PM)
The original AIFV had better engines than the M113 (250hp), in turn the ACV-15 had better engines than the AIFV (300hp).

Also, I don't think anything short of an MBT is RPG-proof. The ACV-15 series (including ACV-300 Adnan) is rated proof until 14.5mm HMG only, but I reckon most IFV-type vehicles with basic (not uparmored) protection is proof to around that standard anyway.
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Someone mwntioned Bionix brows.gif that one can tahan standard RPG7 round, but not PG7VL I'm sure.
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post Feb 14 2017, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Feb 13 2017, 10:23 PM)
Basic armor or still have to bolt on extra chunks of laminated armor? If so then it doesn't count. laugh.gif
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Every armoured vehicle in the world is not gonna count if so rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(Skidd Chung @ Feb 14 2017, 12:26 AM)
I think the current Syria and Iraq conflict has shown that in open areas, ATGMs is a very effective deterrent against mass armor. Arab armour
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FTFY rolleyes.gif

p.s. the hurr-durr RPGs crowd likes to think that ATM infantry will find taking on potential threats just as easily with their little shoulder-fired RPGs. whether that is a realistic assumption or not...

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post Feb 14 2017, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Feb 14 2017, 03:59 PM)
only proxy bandits backed by super power...
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KNN Commies™ probably don't mind selling PG-7VR rounds or even their HJ-8 to anybody including non-state terrorists
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post Feb 15 2017, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Feb 15 2017, 01:36 PM)
- 08:50 French Navy Aircraft Carrier Charles de Gaulle in Dry Dock for Mid-Life Refit & Upgrade
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So for 18 months the EU's only carrier will be... Juan Carlos I doh.gif
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post Feb 15 2017, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Feb 15 2017, 04:01 PM)
italian one?
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oh yeah... forgot about Cavour sweat.gif
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post Feb 15 2017, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Feb 15 2017, 04:37 PM)
HMS Queen Elizabeth AC possible commission end this year.
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Not really counted
Scheduled for Feb 2018, but still need sea trial and working-up period after
"Fully operational battle station" only by 2023 when there are enough F-35Bs and fully qualified pilots
Until then pinjam to USMC

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QUOTE(olman @ Feb 15 2017, 05:12 PM)
I know it travels in formation but these days it gets alot easier to kill that big bullseye.
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Submarine is the most undetectable way, but the carriers are built to withstand torpedoes. It would take quite a few hits I think to kill a carrier, though I agree probably just 1 or 2 hits would be a mission-kill.

Antiship missiles, Brahmos-1 is currently the most dangerous but its also very short range and needs to fire like 10+ to saturate a single Burke-class destroyer.

Hypersonic missiles are still in development - but so is Laser CIWS rolleyes.gif
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post Feb 20 2017, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Feb 20 2017, 11:19 AM)
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post Feb 20 2017, 08:13 PM

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I wouldn't mind similar high res pics of our own SUs and F18s roaring over Msia landscape thumbup.gif

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post Feb 22 2017, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Feb 22 2017, 05:55 PM)
now Msia has 2 neighbours with Made In Ireland™ IFVs brows.gif
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post Feb 22 2017, 10:17 PM

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China copy strikes again!

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http://www.defensenews.com/articles/china-...-frigate-design

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Data displayed with the model gave a displacement of about 2,450 tons; dimensions of 142 meters in length, 32 meters in beam and a draft of 6.2 meters. The power plant was given as a “marine electric propulsion system” with a speed of 25 knots and endurance of 5,000 nautical miles at 16 knots and 30 days.

Those figures could change for a production ship, You said, with a speed probably somewhere above 30 knots. He said an all-MTU diesel propulsion plant was being considered, driving three waterjets.

The model displayed the range of weapons typical for a small warship: a gun in the 76mm or 100mm range; a vertical launch system for surface-to-air missiles behind the gun and forward of the superstructure; surface-to-surface missiles in canister launchers amidships; close-in weapon systems and chaff launchers. The sensor suite was sized for a light frigate.

The model featured a double hangar and side doors along the hangar to launch small boats. There is no mission bay as in the American LCS, and no stern doors below the flight deck, which sits relatively low and close to the water. A bow sonar is depicted.

With the design still to be finalized, You said he didn’t expect construction of the first PLAN trimaran frigate to begin before 2018.

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post Feb 23 2017, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Feb 23 2017, 05:18 PM)
905 tanks? Refurbished T-80 and T-72?
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keyword: "other armoured vehicles"
MRAP also boleh termasuk armoured these days whistling.gif
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post Feb 24 2017, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(lordy @ Feb 24 2017, 10:07 AM)
copy which design ?
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QUOTE(TechSuper @ Feb 24 2017, 10:31 AM)
no current in service naval vessel has the same design as the one China showcased. heck, no one holds the patent for trimaran vessel.
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Basically extended USS Independence with no mission bay, leaving more room for missiles

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post Feb 24 2017, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(TechSuper @ Feb 24 2017, 11:44 AM)
from outside bole sama. any naval architect worth their money can design a ship, be it monohull, cat or trimaran. any shipyard with enough expertise can build them. any ship can appear the same externally.
shipbuilding isn't like aircraft manufacturing anyway...
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Not that aircraft manufacturing is very easy either.

But you know I know everybody know PRC SOP... copy first improve later laugh.gif
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post Feb 24 2017, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(TechSuper @ Feb 24 2017, 12:31 PM)
deswai i say, any shipyard worth their salt can build trimaran cos building ships isn't as difficult as aircraft manufacturing. their yards launched and delivered literally thousands of ships of every kind every year. out of these, hundreds of them are naval ships. so, xde masalah for them to build trimarans of their own.
of cos la they'll improve on what works for them. 
if only our yards have even 1/4 of their capability....
then again, for every ship their yards launched, their yard received some $$ whilst ours mana ada dapat that kind of incentive.
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No man, its not as easy as that, and most countries don't have the industrial and technical knowhow to do it. Even UK having difficulty delivering ships because of this, and some say there's a doubt whether US is really capable of designing a working new warship from scratch - other than the problematic LCS and dead-end Zumwalt programs, they're only building modded versions of Burke which is a late Cold War design.

MEKO and DCNS are actually decent choices by our navy. Too bad we have RM problems and of course Boustead have to makan their share doh.gif
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post Feb 24 2017, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 24 2017, 02:40 PM)
Problem arise when ship designed going for stupid technology leaps.
Zumwalt program is an example of its new radar tech, new cms and tons of crazy tech.
In the end the project going way too expensive they have to cap the cost and have to cut costs on rnd.

Meko and dcns was going for a more conservative approach and most of them use mature tech hence less problematic.

US lcs is a massive songlap project and total disaster.
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Well you pay a price for being at the forefront of cutting edge tech. Otherwise US can be just another navy, eventually overwhelmed by Chinese zerg rush.

LCS not really songlap, more because of constantly changing concept of use IMHO

Started off as a cheap disposable antiship missile platform, became OH Perry frigate replacement, then somebodies tacked on superfast and special ops support requirements, not to mention playing with different hull forms and splitting contract to ensure fair share... no wonder its a mess doh.gif
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post Feb 24 2017, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 24 2017, 02:58 PM)
Not really it freaking huge songlap project the way I see it.
Weapons system is even more rubbish than malaysian lcs but cost more than usd700mil.
The structure is quite fragile constant break down.
The only thing that it better than malaysia lcs is speed.
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Yeah the speed was the main problem... also forgot to add, its also meant to have ASW and MCM capabilities via module swapping... which are also having major RnD issues. How not to fail like that?

In future though US LCS will be moving to full combat frigate design, probably sacrificing a little speed to mount NSMs. The only thing really lacking is AA.

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With a renewed focus on conventional combat, I don't think Donald Duck will have problems... fits his antiChina approach.
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post Feb 24 2017, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 24 2017, 03:12 PM)
That still depend on how the navy view the project.
Lot of navy dislike it from what I heard.
so if donald get negative review on the project and he felt the project too expensive.
Lcs could be in the chopping board.
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Be kinda expensive to build whole new design now...
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post Feb 24 2017, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Feb 24 2017, 04:07 PM)
I have check the lcs status seem like it already pointless to say anything more as most of the on order lcs were already completed or under construction. laugh.gif
Freedom class is the cheapest ~usd400mil the independent class ~usd780mil.
They seem to have solve lot of problem on the freedom class that suffer on the first freedom class ship.
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1st ship is usually problematic anyway

Maybe trimarans aren't that great an idea for warship...?
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QUOTE(lordy @ Feb 24 2017, 04:56 PM)
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MICA is definitely very cool to have on a ship this small, but it seems kind of overkill for an oversized patrol boat

Thinking it probably is meant to be a meat shield for high value assets in wartime brows.gif

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