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SUSKLboy92
post Feb 7 2017, 04:25 AM

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For reference, this is the kind of report other countries can come up with, providing information which the public should know about how their tax dollars (pounds) are being used. Does anybody think SUPER-SENSITIVE TOPPEST SECRET INFORMASI is being leaked here? No. But it is useful to the people who actually pay for the stuff.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/syste...version__2_.pdf

And this is the kind of readiness information which is allowed to be shared. Not too detailed, nor is it information which would be very useful to an enemy (whose spies would already have known in real time during the incident) but useful for the public to know whether the armed forces are doing their job, or slacking off under the guise of "combat readiness military secrecy"...

http://www.parliament.uk/business/publicat...16-10-10/47824/
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post Feb 7 2017, 04:36 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Feb 7 2017, 04:30 AM)
it's a freaking exercise and they still numb about the plane participation only disclose the number of asset involve in the exercise prior in the media fact sheet distributed earlier.
Did that US guy practice Msian-style "secrecy" too? hmm.gif
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No, because it's still a better answer than we usually get. Do our Msian exercises freely disclose exactly how many of what is allocated for use?

The information does not have to be real time. Maybe it can come 1 month later, or 2 months, or half a year - that will make it much less useful for any enemy spies, and yet provides *some* information to us.

As if Mindef will ever give us anything like this:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/syste...ations_2016.pdf

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/syste...lity_Report.pdf

QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Feb 7 2017, 04:30 AM)
youre just too lazy to google it arent you  laugh.gif
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eh, I consider it abit cheating to google just for the sake of "proving" I know it

but I knew it was not in use. has been mentioned before here, and elsewhere... Mkini if I'm not wrong.
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post Feb 7 2017, 04:43 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Feb 7 2017, 04:37 AM)
About ships berth together?
That is all about?

Right now I can say there is 2 kedah class in Kuantan Naval Base, 2 Perdana class docking at the port?
what's seems to be the problem?

The combat readiness here is whether both of the Kedah class are fit to sail
is they A gun functional or are the ship CMS have been infected by ransomware
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There are also announcements available about deployments and sailing times, OSD dates for all but the most sensitive hardware and equipment and key milestones in procurement e.g. F-35 program.

Mindef is giving nowhere near that level of accountability and transparency, stop trying to pretend it is.

DDG_Ross *googles* I'm not wrong rolleyes.gif

http://www.malaysiakini.com/news/191037

"Kapal selam berkenaan yang merupakan platform latihan bawah permukaan air bagi krew-krew pelatih TLDM sebelum mengoperasikan kapal selam konvensional sebenar kelas Perdana Menteri kini diabadikan sebagai muzium di kompleks Muzium Maritim, Klebang di Melaka."
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post Feb 7 2017, 04:56 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Feb 7 2017, 04:51 AM)
giving none or none are bother asking?
asking the right way to be more precise.
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those are routine, periodic, official publications not responses to specific requests.
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post Feb 7 2017, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(periuk_api1209 @ Feb 7 2017, 07:54 AM)
Aik..last time kata mau jadi malaysian spy kat SAF..mau join NS...put SAF orbat here la..share kawan2...can?
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laugh.gif laugh.gif
As DDG say... google kan ada wink.gif
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post Feb 7 2017, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(periuk_api1209 @ Feb 7 2017, 09:40 AM)
Like u said la..not official ma...wr want the official one..heheh
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Huh? Google for official SG Mindef publications la, if any
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post Feb 7 2017, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(TechSuper @ Feb 7 2017, 01:52 PM)
they don't have the least idea how expensive military stuff are
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Dont you think it would help if every year Mindef posts a proper annual report indicating exactly how much what costs, what is the projected future expenditure for what assets, etc rather than surprising people with requests for money and not revealing how, where, when and why it is used because of "top secret readiness military secret" rolleyes.gif

Typically getting info from Mindef even for veteran reporter like Msiandefence is like squeezng blood from stone... but of course we all know there's lots of good reasons why close public scrutiny of Mindef spending would not be encouraged whistling.gif

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post Feb 7 2017, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(malberi8 @ Feb 7 2017, 02:54 PM)
why some people would like ATM to tell the whole world what their readiness like, how much they spend on equipment, what type of defense equipment that they have in details ...etc, so that they can audit or make price comparison? , ... err from which intel group are you from sir?
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Read further upthread, you will have all the reasons, and examples of reports from other armed forces.

Audit and price comparison is exactly right. Not a system of "gimme all this money, we will spend it for your proteksyen but you cannot know how or why or when or who..."
QUOTE(TechSuper @ Feb 7 2017, 02:46 PM)
i'd be glad if i can get the figures too. at least smart spending, not spending buta2 like there's no limit to ur bajet.
i'm all for the betterment of the armed forces, not for the betterment of some pipul's poket. if u get my drift  brows.gif  brows.gif
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Exactly
QUOTE(periuk_api1209 @ Feb 7 2017, 02:47 PM)
Really? They do put official orbat in google?
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If you do not google you will never find out brows.gif
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post Feb 7 2017, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(malberi8 @ Feb 7 2017, 03:31 PM)
why should the army or govt need to published everything ? so that foreign intel can have a copy of it too? PRU is coming if you do not trust the govt you'll have the chance to vote.. if you are eligible to vote la , some say Sept this year ... but pls dont turn this forum into a political forum, had enough of that shit already la........

lets discuss about military and defense only, politics aside .....
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Dont politicise everything. Asking for better accountability is not related to politics. JANGAN PERSOAL is a very irresponsible way of running things.

Foreign intel have better ways of getting information. This is not even highly sensitive materials. Other more advanced more combat-experienced armed forces have no trouble publishing it. And it is not time sensitive operational data, it is financial data very relevant to the taxpaying rakyat. Why do we have such big hangups with TOP SECRETZ INFORMASI...?

....unless of course the data demonstrates that Mindef has not been spending money wisely.... whistling.gif
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post Feb 7 2017, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(periuk_api1209 @ Feb 7 2017, 03:13 PM)
Already google ..didn't found any..
U seems for sure the SAF orbat can be googled..can u share the page?
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Later I look.

Why do you say that I say SAF Orbat can be googled? Isn't it you who said it, not me?
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post Feb 7 2017, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(periuk_api1209 @ Feb 7 2017, 05:42 PM)
Huh? No..i ask for SAF orbat but u said it can be googled by referring to DDG post and ask me to google it myself..
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Yeah so google yourself lah
I didnt give guarantee can find
QUOTE(DDG Ross @ Feb 7 2017, 04:30 AM)
youre just too lazy to google it arent you  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(DDG Ross @ Feb 7 2017, 04:51 AM)
well there you go the power of googling is just at the tip for yer fingers  notworthy.gif
QUOTE(KLboy 92 @ Feb 7 2017, 08:22 AM)
laugh.gif laugh.gif
As DDG say... google kan ada wink.gif
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post Feb 7 2017, 06:30 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Feb 7 2017, 06:23 PM)
french marines at pulada

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But where's the famous FAMAS?
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post Feb 7 2017, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Feb 7 2017, 06:40 PM)
spoken like a true keyboard warrior
I am so proud of you.

in b4 you can actually study the cancer inside your brain by looking on how old the cyst on your knee
Don't spoonfed them
biar depa carik sendiri,
bila tak jumpa mula salahkan orang lain and that will make themselves feel very good
like they have done their part in the community hence all other people are now in their debt.

aku dari semalam dok layan2, sikit pun aku tak tunjuk semua nih  laugh.gif
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Sukahati you
Dok diam2 je lah and feel butthurt why nobody appreciate

Auditor gen report also ignored in this country anyway
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post Feb 7 2017, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Feb 7 2017, 09:49 PM)
aik terasa??  laugh.gif
makan cili ka? lol
nantikan majalah baru tak lama lagi~
tak lama lagiiii...
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A little bit
Auditor work never appreciated sad.gif
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post Feb 10 2017, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Feb 10 2017, 04:05 PM)
My dream our Tentera Darat buy Caesar 8x8 155mm SPH  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif

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People waiting to see how it performs in more operations first I think. For one thing, it has a rather small ammo magazine.

What's the status on those M109s coming to us BTW?
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post Feb 11 2017, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ Feb 10 2017, 11:51 PM)
Can't they just upgrade existing A10 instead of find replacement.

It look badass

Aand it work like a badass
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Its only good for hunting terrorists now, and its overpowered for that.
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post Feb 11 2017, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Feb 11 2017, 12:08 PM)
our 8x8 AV8 project more costly than buying ST Terrex. 
if buy directly will we possibly can get around 500 unit ST Terrex compare to 257 unit AV8 or remain 257 terrex + 100+ unit SPH ...
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Exactly.

Well probably not STK Terrex since our neighbours probably won't like it whistling.gif but even if we bought Boxer, the world's most expensive IFV (other than ours) we could have gotten more/paid less.
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post Feb 11 2017, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Feb 11 2017, 02:11 PM)
From RMN LCS Project Twitter.
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Conveniently no km marks and use F-35 graphic, as if it's actually much use against F-35 rolleyes.gif
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post Feb 12 2017, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(Skidd Chung @ Feb 12 2017, 05:59 PM)
Currently in Syria, the ACV15 is being used against ISIS by Turkish and their allied forces.

Malaysia also have this AFV right? Looks like a good way to gauge the battle performance even though Malaysia already replacing it with AV8s.
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Its an upgraded M113. That's about it really...
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post Feb 12 2017, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(Lumiaaa @ Feb 12 2017, 07:58 PM)
Adnan same class as Bionix
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uh, more like same as M113 Ultra.

Bionix can actually tahan RPG-7 IINM.

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