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post Mar 8 2017, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(TigerLion @ Mar 8 2017, 12:37 AM)

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post Mar 8 2017, 01:53 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Mar 8 2017, 01:39 AM)
Because they are not intended to do more than that
btw step 3 can bypass as knowing TLDM, they all are using tacticos integration

Kedah fit's it's minimum purpose for OPV, so 2 guns is all right

even though the system is very top notch
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lol really can integrate so fast? plug Exocet masuk ke dalam Tacticos like USB drive? laugh.gif

Buying and transporting here is the more time consuming part I think
unless begged from allies
Remember poor Argentina...
QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Mar 8 2017, 01:41 AM)
Kindly provide your justification that I am a troll.

Let me remind you sternly that I don't troll in military threads.
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sabar bang sabar laugh.gif laugh.gif
tag salah orang I think biggrin.gif
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post Mar 8 2017, 03:52 PM

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This civvy just enjoy popcorn laugh.gif

QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Mar 8 2017, 12:34 PM)
IDF did 4,000km...
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NK > Uganda no?
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post Mar 8 2017, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Mar 8 2017, 03:59 PM)
in terms of?  hmm.gif
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Uhh... everything? doh.gif
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post Mar 8 2017, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(TigerLion @ Mar 8 2017, 04:34 PM)
Conscription in any country is a bad idea, especially during peace time.
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No scared lose citizenship, talking seditious stuff like that? brows.gif

QUOTE(lordy @ Mar 8 2017, 04:23 PM)
if i do have a chance, sure want my kiddos to go thru proper national service ala RSAF, not the main kayu Bolehland type
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Yang tu nama je NS lah, brapa kali nak cakap doh.gif
Propaganda camp =/= military training

QUOTE(keown83 @ Mar 8 2017, 04:30 PM)
wth what is happening?

suddenly u guys seems dun know how to use quote well
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And its bloody irritating bangwall.gif

I blame atreyuangel brows.gif epidemic start from him laugh.gif

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post Mar 8 2017, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(TigerLion @ Mar 8 2017, 04:54 PM)
Many Singaporeans are against conscription.  biggrin.gif
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Yeah sure
But say it out loud and Special Branch come visit laugh.gif
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post Mar 8 2017, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(TigerLion @ Mar 8 2017, 04:56 PM)
It's not seditious to be against NS haha...
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You kidding?! I don't think there's anything SG take more seriously man, except maybe COE laugh.gif

NATSUONAL POLISU! TOTAL DEFENSU! laugh.gif
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post Mar 8 2017, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(berzerk @ Mar 8 2017, 08:55 PM)
so there's only 1 active sub now? what good is that?
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is always like that
No machine in the world runs 24/7/365
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post Mar 8 2017, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Mar 8 2017, 09:48 PM)
bought western planes, weapons n source code becomes a problem... buy russian planes spare parts becomes a problem...

not every country have a ST kinetics
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Look at all the Singaporean built jet fighters
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QUOTE(berzerk @ Mar 8 2017, 09:43 PM)
exactly. what is the point of having a submarine force of 2 boats?
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How many more Mongolian models you want to sacrifice brows.gif
No money lah bro
How many boats you want then BTW?
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post Mar 9 2017, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(berzerk @ Mar 9 2017, 09:57 AM)
no $$$ don't buy. like buying a hummer but complain about high petrol price.

At least have a plan on how many subs are needed & stagger the purchases over time as the service matures.

but as you say, how much of the reason for the purchase was military strategy & how much was fund raising for other activities?
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Classic Msian style: the plan is great, the execution, something else entirely laugh.gif

50/50. At least. But I'll stop there, later I get called bad words again brows.gif
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post Mar 9 2017, 03:15 PM

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Type 52D destroyer top, Type 55 bottom

Type 55 is practically cruiser size... can compare with Ticonderoga

https://southfront.org/chinas-type-055-dest...int-to-reality/
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post Mar 9 2017, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Mar 9 2017, 04:53 PM)
Also, you could probably add up the PDRM paramilitary units into the overall Malaysian defensive structure. They have quite substantial number (around +60,000) but they are more for specialized COIN-type operations instead of conventional warfare. For example, during the recent Lahad Datu operations, it was the PDRM paramilitary units that spearheaded the operations, not the Army.
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You mean PGA? 60,000?! Sure?! laugh.gif
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post Mar 10 2017, 04:32 PM

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alat utama sistem persenjataan (alutsista)

NOW I KNOW doh.gif
KORANG DENGAN AKRONYM KAU bangwall.gif
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Marines have arrived in Syria to fire artillery in the fight for Raqqa
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news...ight-for-raqqa/

By Dan Lamothe, Thomas Gibbons-Neff
March 8, 2017 at 1:54 PM

Marines from an amphibious task force have left their ships in the Middle East and deployed to Syria, establishing an outpost from which they can fire artillery in support of the fight to oust the Islamic State from the northern Syrian city of Raqqa, defense officials said.

The deployment marks a new escalation in the U.S. war in Syria, and puts more conventional U.S. troops in the battle. Several hundred Special Operations troops have advised local forces there for months, but the Pentagon has mostly shied away from using conventional forces in Syria. The new mission comes as the Trump administration weighs a plan to help Syrian rebels take back Raqqa, the de facto capital of the Islamic State. The plan also includes more Special Operations troops and attack helicopters.

Related: Pentagon plan to seize Raqqa calls for significant increase in U.S. participation

The force is part of the 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit, which left San Diego on Navy ships in October. The Marines on the ground include part of an artillery battery that can fire powerful 155-millimeter shells from M-777 Howitzers, two officials said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the deployment.

The expeditionary unit’s ground force, Battalion Landing Team 1st Battalion, 4th Marines, will man the guns and deliver fire support for U.S.-backed local forces who are preparing an assault on the city. Additional infantrymen from the unit will provide security, while resupplies will be handled by part of the expeditionary force’s combat logistics element. For this deployment, the Marines were flown from Djibouti to Kuwait and then into Syria, said another defense official with direct knowledge of the operation.

The official added that the Marines’ movement into Syria was not the byproduct of President Trump’s request for a new plan to take on the Islamic State but that it had “been in the works for some time.”

“The Marines answer a problem that the [operation] has faced,” the official said. He added that they now provide “all-weather fires considering how the weather is this time of year in northern Syria.”

Lt. Gen. Stephen Townsend, the top U.S. general overseeing the campaign against the Islamic State, has previously said that a small number of conventional soldiers have supported Special Operations troops on the ground in Syria, including through a truck-mounted system known as the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System, or HIMARS. The defense official with knowledge of the deployment said Wednesday that the Marines and their howitzers will supplement, rather than replace, those Army units.

The new Marine mission was disclosed after members of the Army’s elite 75th Ranger Regiment appeared in the Syrian city of Manbij over the weekend in Strykers — heavily armed, eight-wheel armored vehicles. Defense officials said they are there to discourage Syrian or Turkish troops from making any moves that could shift the focus away from an assault on Islamic State militants.

The Marine mission has similarities to an operation the Marine Corps undertook about a year ago when the U.S. military was preparing to support an assault on the Iraqi city of Mosul. In that case, a force from the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit, from Camp Lejeune, N.C., established a fire base south of the city in support of Iraqi and Kurdish troops who were then carrying out operations to isolate Mosul from Islamic State-held territory around it.

The existence of the outpost near Mosul, originally named Fire Base Bell, became public after it was attacked by rockets March 19, 2016, killing Staff Sgt. Louis F. Cardin and wounding at least four other Marines. Defense officials said at the time that they had not disclosed the deployment of Marines there because the base was not fully operational, although photographs released by the Defense Department shortly afterward showed Marines launching artillery rounds a day before Cardin’s death.

For the base in Syria to be useful, it must be within about 20 miles of the operations that U.S.-backed forces are carrying out. That is the estimated maximum range on many rounds fired from the M-777 howitzer. GPS-guided Excalibur rounds, which the Marines also used after establishing Fire Base Bell, can travel closer to 30 miles. Fire support for the Mosul operation has since been turned over to the Army
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QUOTE(TigerLion @ Mar 10 2017, 06:55 PM)
Does Malaysia have a Marine Corps?
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No, for much the same reasons SG doesn't.
Whats the purpose of Marine Corps? Why would we need it?
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post Mar 10 2017, 08:42 PM

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post Mar 10 2017, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(TigerLion @ Mar 10 2017, 08:51 PM)
Can increase employment for Malaysia too...  biggrin.gif

Marine Corps have 10k manpower, that's an extra 10k jobs plus other indirect employment.  biggrin.gif
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Non-productive employment...
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post Mar 10 2017, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ Mar 10 2017, 09:58 PM)
Actually I'm just curious, what's the purpose of having marine force?

As and forward operation battalions with amphibious ability?
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Pretty much
Attack into lightly defended beach-heads
USMC also have the jobs of semi-elite light infantry, quick reaction force and even VIP protection and rescue

But its so expensive a capability to have

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Mar 12 2017, 12:35 PM
This post has been deleted by MKLMS because: Unless explained, I don't see the relevance of posting this in this thread.

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post Mar 11 2017, 02:20 AM

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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Mar 10 2017, 11:49 PM)
light? hmm... us marine doesnt seem to be light.. they are more of an integrated/combined fighting force with support from the sea..
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Light in logistics terms, and actually yes in firepower terms too
QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ Mar 10 2017, 11:18 PM)
Yeah, I'm confused most of the time as when you mentioned us military activities, it's always marines,

And marines seem to have their role mixed with the regular gi

At least now it's clarified!

Actually that is because US Marines are used as their quick reaction forces, in addition to the 2 airborne divisions. Thats why they also take over armed rescue roles too. They are based on island bases and at sea on board their amphib transports and they train to respond within a matter of days - which the US Army doesn't.

But they are relatively lightly equipped - thats 1 of the reason they can move fast. So they will need to be reinforced by the US Army.

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But instead of outfitting a marine battalion, maybe we should be looking for more defensive structure.

I doubt we will ever have an encounter that require us to deploy offensive troop
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Yes

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