Can you share you water cut protocol?
Im also doing water cut now, small cut around 3kg to lose
Npad's training journal, Powerlifting
Npad's training journal, Powerlifting
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Mar 21 2017, 04:23 PM
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Can you share you water cut protocol?
Im also doing water cut now, small cut around 3kg to lose |
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Mar 21 2017, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE(gondarz @ Mar 21 2017, 04:23 PM) Hey man, sure. I'm looking to cut about 4kg which is about 6% so pretty close to me as well. FYI, I'm weighing in on Saturday so plan accordingly. Also, I'm a small lifter so your needs might vary from mine. I started water loading since last Saturday so I'll list down what I'm doing from day to day. Protein and fat remain constant unless stated otherwise. This is what I did before and it works for me, so disclaimer, please proceed with caution. Water cut can be dangerous.Saturday - 3 to 4 liters of water, 4 sachets of Oral Rehydration Salt (ORS). I use sachet unit as it's pretty standard anywhere. Food intake, normal. I quit keto since 2 weeks ago to make sure I can tap into glucose instead of fats as a main energy source by game day. Sunday - 5 to 6 liters of water, 6 sachet of ORS, reduce carbs to about 75% Monday - 6 to 8 liters of water, 8 sachet of ORS, reduce carbs to 50% Tuesday - 7 to 9 liters or water, 8 sachet of ORS, carb maintain at 50% Wednesday - 8 to 10 liters of water, 8 sachet of ORS, reduce carbs to 25% Thursday - 4 to 6 liters of water, 3 sachet of ORS, cut carbs entirely Friday - 1 liter of water, 1 sachet of ORS, last drink at 12pm, last meal at lunch, 0 carbs. At 6pm I will drink 1 bottle of light beer (or Guinness cos it's awesome) to further dehydrate myself. I should make weight by then. If not, I will sauna until I'm about 0.5-1kg above weigh in. No food till after weigh in. Saturday - still no food or drinks until weigh in. Poop as much as I can before leaving the house. No shower before weigh in as well as it can increase my weight. For more reading material, read up what Chris Duffin wrote about it. Google Kabuki Strength Water Cut. I think its the first entry. |
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Mar 22 2017, 09:19 AM
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Meet Prep Week 12 Deload (21 March 2017)
I went in on this session to practice some my setup and techniques, though I did skip bench press as my lower back is still recovering and I'd rather not aggravate it till game day. Come on lumbar, you got this, heal up. I also went and did some conditioning work to work up a sweat. I haven't train since Sunday (which I didn't log as all I did was cardio & conditioning) so I needed this to stay sane. The pre game jitters are here and I'm freaking out over every little nuance of my setup and technique. Also, some weight update. I have pretty much plateaued in my weight loss. I'm at a constant 71.5kg at normal hydrated level. Right now I'm super saturated so I'm hovering at 72kg. The goal is 67.4kg when dehydrated like a prune. I still got today (Wednesday) and Thursday to water load then I'll cut water out on Friday. That water weight is coming off no matter what. Tyre Sled Push circuit with Tyre Flip 100kg x 3 x 10 - Conditioning, conditioning, conditioning. That's gonna be my goal the next season. I did a circuit like workout here. I pushed a small tyre on the turf for about 20 meters, rest for about 3 mins then flip a bigger tyre for 10 reps. I did this for 3 sets. Man, it was one heck of a workout. Didn't take much time either. I worked up a good sweat and my heart was pumping hard. Feelsgoodman. Squats 100kg x 6 x 2 @RPE 7 - Nothing too serious on squats. I didn't bring my belt, chalk, knee sleeves or wrist wraps to prevent myself from going heavy. I wore my deadlift shoes as well. On this session I practiced my setup rituals as well as my walkout on this session. I try to complete my stance in 3 steps at the same width and the same angle every single walkout. I also practiced getting the bar tight and secure on my back. I think I did well. The squat itself was easy, I paused on some reps, I went fast on some. Deadlifts 130kg x 5 x 1 @RPE 7 - The only reason this deadlift session is RPE 7 is because of my grip. It ain't easy to hold on to a bar with shitty knurling with no chalk. The pull itself was easy, it was flying up without much effort. I practiced my bar path and kept the bar as close to my shins as possible, might have lost some leg hair on this day. I actually have considered waxing my legs to reduce drag |
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Mar 23 2017, 08:43 AM
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Meet Prep Week 12 Deload (22 March 2017)
I didn't touch any weight on this session. I mentioned before about the tightness in my back, hammies, shoulder blades, and calves. Well, I rolled like a madman on this session. Busted out my foam roller and lacrosse ball and spent about 45 mins massaging myself. Got rid of a lot of knots, I'm sore as fuck today. But damn does it feel good though. Anterior pelvic tilt (APT) is noticeably reduced. Posture feels a lot better too. After rolling myself to tears, I went ahead and did some low intensity steady state cardio (LISS) on the seated bike. Maintained heart rate about 140BPM for a good 25 minutes while watching youtube. Some weight update as of this morning (23/3/17). I weighed in at 71.0kg this morning, while still in my super saturated state. This is the lowest I have ever weighed in recent memory. Water cut is actually going somewhere. Today I will cut out carbs, reduce salt by 50% and drink almost as much as yesterday (6-8 liters). By tomorrow evening I should be within range. If not, to the sauna it is. Final water load push today. Can't wait to get this over with. |
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Mar 28 2017, 11:17 AM
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whats your meet result.. I think i saw you during the meet but didn't get the chance to talk to you >.<"
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Mar 28 2017, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(gondarz @ Mar 28 2017, 11:17 AM) whats your meet result.. I think i saw you during the meet but didn't get the chance to talk to you >.<" Typing up a meet report as we speak sir. Haha. It's my first day back in the office and I'm kinda swamped with work. Catch you next time, no worries. How did your meet go? |
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Mar 28 2017, 12:01 PM
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MPA Championship 2017 Meet Report
TLDR; Didn't make weight, lifted anyway, got 8/9 lifts, 24/27 white lights, SBD results: 140kg/92.5kg/170kg for a total of 402.5kg and Wilks of 304.81 at 69.05kg bodyweight. Alright, we're back. My meet was on Sunday (26th March 2017) and it was a blast. I did not make weight unfortunately, even though I did my very best to sweat out all the life out of me. Managed to weigh in at 69.05kg on Saturday weigh in. When I went to sauna again to try to lose some more, I really felt like dying already since I haven't drank or eaten anything at that point for more than 24 hours already. Symptoms of dehydration were showing up and I decided to throw in the towel to focus on recovering. The cut was a failure, no 2 ways about it. Might as well cut my losses then and focus on moving maximum amount of weight the day after. On game day, I carbed up like hell in the morning and was feeling fresh as ever. Warmup felt good, body felt good. Everything moved smoothly and none of the usual stiffness was there, it was go time. Squat 130kg - 3 white lights, good lift. I initially wanted to open with 135kg but decided to go a bit conservative to get a feel of the squat bar. 130kg is my usual final warmup single, so I decided to open with that. Easy lift, went up smoothly. 140kg - 3 white lights, good lift. 140kg is my current gym PR and I'm just glad to hit it at the meet to make it my new meet PR. Bar moved smoothly, albeit a bit slower than I expected. I let my GF who was my handler to select all my attempts based on how my openers and 2nd's look like, so from here she decided 150kg was a no go. I trust her judgement because if I went according to feel, it would have been like last meet. 145kg - 3 red lights, no lift. I failed this weight because of technical issue, not because it was heavy. No excuses though, I still missed the lift. I went too deep and lost my bounce and balance at the bottom making it impossible to recover. My old habit of ass to grass squatting is still haunting me till this day. Next off season will be all about rectifying this problem. I might widen my stance a bit more to maximize the amount of bounce I get at the bottom from stretch and to prevent myself from going too deep. Bench Press 80kg - 3 white lights, good lift. Again, I opened with a warmup number. 80kg felt really light. Went up fast and easy. However, I pulled the shit out of my lats on this attempt. Getting tight as I set up caused me to cramp up. I have a feeling this might have been caused by my hydration level and/or improper warmup. 90kg - 3 white lights, good lift. My handler chose 90kg for my 2nd. This matched my gym PR and made it an official meet PR. It felt like death. The bar moved so excruciatingly slow and my lats cramped up again, worse this time. But I made it nonetheless. 92.5kg - 3 white lights, good lift. This is why having a handler choose your attempts is important. If it was up to me I would have called off my 3rd attempt because my 2nd was horrid. My handler instead chose 92.5kg and I sucked it up and did the lift. It was even more difficult than my 2nd. At one point the bar actually stopped but I managed to keep grinding all the way up. I was underneath the bar for at least 5 seconds. It was such a relief though when I stood up and saw those 3 white lights. New PR right there. Deadlift 155kg - 3 white lights, good lift. Opened with a warmup number again to get used to the deadlift bar. This bar is actually thinner and whips a lot. At this weight the whip is not that wild but it did mess up with my usual lift initiation. Hit it nicely nonetheless albeit a bit slow. I noticed I went 100% a bit too early, before all the slack is pulled out of the bar so I kept that in mind for the next attempt. 165kg - 3 white lights, good lift. This time I really really pulled the slack out before pressing with my legs to initiate the lift, and it worked. The bar went up flying really fast and easily. The thinner bar and the more aggressive knurling also allowed me to grip better. I was ready for my last attempt. 170kg - 3 white lights, good lift. My handler chose 170kg and it felt really good. No shaking, no slowing down, it just flew up slowly and constantly. My grip was rock solid too, unlike the last time I attempted this weight in the gym. This matched my gym PR and made it an official meet PR. I personally felt like I left some weight on the platform, as in I could have gone heavier but that will be for next time. My handler selected very spot on attempts and made sure I could get this one for a good meet PR. 180kg will be mine in the next meet. Take Away, Lessons Learned and Immediate Future Plans Well, first and foremost, I'm weak as fuck. Like seriously weak, like just about to leave noob status weak. I need to get stronger. Much much stronger. A 500kg total will not win the U67.5kg class, or even the U60kg class. There are a lot of really strong people all around me. This motivates me so much to get back to the grind and put up even bigger numbers. Secondly, I need to keep cutting. I still have a bunch of fat around my waist which will not help me move any weight. The next goal is to cut down even further to get to 63kg-65kg and compete in U60kg. Currently I'm sitting at 72kg, so I got probably another 3-4 months of cutting ahead of me. Also, I need to be way more disciplined when water cutting next time. I have to admit the water cut failed because I cheated once or twice. The protocol works, a fellow forummer here used it to lose 4kg easily. Shoutout to you Andrew, still waiting for those pictures. Thirdly, I need to stop squatting too damn fucking low. I need to dial in my form better and just get stronger in the squat, that's it. Overall this was a really fun meet to prep for. I learned a lot about programming, about how my body reacts to certain things, and lots more. I managed to get a 402.5kg total, a 35kg progress from my previous meet total of 367.5kg. My Wilks score this time is 304.81, my very first above 300 Wilks score. I aim to get at least 450kg next meet and Wilks score of at least 350. Either way, I feel pretty good with my progress and I hope to continue this trend upwards for as long as I can. Jeremy Steven, I'm coming for your records! Gimme 3 years and I'll get there. The immediate plan for now is to do a few cycles of hypertrophy and conditioning before beginning another meet prep cycle if I decide to compete again in August. All while cutting slowly about 2kg a month. But for now, I'm just gonna chill and bro it out at the gym. I'll see you guys when I begin my new training cycle, which is probably next week. |
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Mar 28 2017, 02:06 PM
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Great bro... U smash yr pr. Waiting for yr hypertrophy program update.
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Mar 28 2017, 02:21 PM
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QUOTE(Npad @ Mar 28 2017, 11:36 AM) Typing up a meet report as we speak sir. Haha. It's my first day back in the office and I'm kinda swamped with work. Catch you next time, no worries. How did your meet go? Good and bad, only managed to get 5/9Managed to PR on squat and bench, deadlift went horribly wrong, at least didnt bomb out Anyway congrats |
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Mar 28 2017, 02:47 PM
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QUOTE(gondarz @ Mar 28 2017, 02:21 PM) Good and bad, only managed to get 5/9 It's always a good day when you don't bomb out, no worries. Did you select an opener that was too heavy?Managed to PR on squat and bench, deadlift went horribly wrong, at least didnt bomb out Anyway congrats Anyway, did you manage to make weight? I hope the water cut protocol helped. |
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Mar 28 2017, 02:51 PM
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Mar 28 2017, 03:30 PM
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QUOTE(Npad @ Mar 28 2017, 02:47 PM) It's always a good day when you don't bomb out, no worries. Did you select an opener that was too heavy? Squat 175 Good lift/ 185 No lift - depth / 187.5 good liftAnyway, did you manage to make weight? I hope the water cut protocol helped. 185 judges says depth not convincing, replay shows depth is parallel, but all judges give 3 reds, so the 3rd attempt small conservative increment Bench 105 good lift / 115 good lift / 120 no lift - wrist give out as i still have wrist pain from injury Dead lift 200 good lift / 217.5 no lift - fail at lockout / 220 no lift - goes up midway only my best gym deadlift is 215 so i dont know whats wrong with the attempt.. I barely made weight at 100.20 with shorts from 103.3.. I have to lose the short and goes full naked to get to 100.00 on the dot i think you taper water too late coz my water cut protocol is like this monday - 6 liter tuesday - 8 liter wednesday - 8 liter thursday - 4 liter friday - 2 liter |
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Mar 28 2017, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE(gondarz @ Mar 28 2017, 03:30 PM) Squat 175 Good lift/ 185 No lift - depth / 187.5 good lift Ah, you might be right. Glad you managed to make weight though. 185 judges says depth not convincing, replay shows depth is parallel, but all judges give 3 reds, so the 3rd attempt small conservative increment Bench 105 good lift / 115 good lift / 120 no lift - wrist give out as i still have wrist pain from injury Dead lift 200 good lift / 217.5 no lift - fail at lockout / 220 no lift - goes up midway only my best gym deadlift is 215 so i dont know whats wrong with the attempt.. I barely made weight at 100.20 with shorts from 103.3.. I have to lose the short and goes full naked to get to 100.00 on the dot i think you taper water too late coz my water cut protocol is like this monday - 6 liter tuesday - 8 liter wednesday - 8 liter thursday - 4 liter friday - 2 liter |
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Mar 29 2017, 01:57 PM
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where do you train?
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Mar 29 2017, 02:15 PM
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Mar 29 2017, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE(Npad @ Mar 29 2017, 02:15 PM) I train in Cyberjaya. I can PM you the name of the gym if you want to. I'd rather not disclose that info out here in public. Haha it's okay, I don't go Cyberjaya often.Anyway, if you even drop by Petaling Jaya. Do visit our gym House Atlas! Based on your journal, your training style is rather suitable in our facility. This post has been edited by knuckles04: Mar 29 2017, 02:37 PM |
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Mar 29 2017, 03:07 PM
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Mar 31 2017, 08:47 AM
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Fuckarounditis Week Day 1 (30 March 2017)
First day back in the gym and boy am I out of shape. My goal for this session was to just get the body moving and play around with form and such. Did not bring any equipment with me to prevent myself from going heavy on anything. Bench Press 60kg x 4 x 5 - I think I did 4 sets, or was it 5. I don't know. My lower back is still complaining when I arch so I did a whole bunch of different variations. Feet up, Larsen press, bodybuilding style flared press, narrow grip, everything. Again, nothing too heavy, just playing around. I'm gonna lay off of the arch for now and focus on getting my lower back and my entire core stronger, so I'm seeing a lot of reverse hypers and abwheel rollout in the near future. Squats 80kg x 5 x 5 - On squats I experimented a lot on my form. I really want to dig deep and find the optimal form for myself this off season so a lot of experimentation will be done. I tried widening my stance a lot but this in turn caused my butt to wink and forced my erectors to work extra hard, so no go on the wide stance. The back pump was a killer. Next session I will try narrower stance and see how I feel. Nothing too difficult as well, just playing. But man, my rear delts still hurt. The squat bar used at the meet is super sharp, it's like I have mini wounds on my rear delts. Tyre Flips 100kg x 3 x 10 - I can't get enough of tyre flips. Makes me sweat a whole bunch, gives a great forearm pump, and it's just so fun when you do it for time. Definitely my go to conditioning exercise. I just wish the gym had a bigger tyre. Barbell Rows 60kg x 1 x 10, 70kg x 1 x 10, 90kg x 1 x 5 - Ended my session with some rows. My grip is still limiting me on these so I'm gonna wear straps from now on. Not fun to row when your grip is always slipping. No chalk made it even worse. I'm pretty sure some of the boys there must have thought my rowing form sucked balls. Haha. I admit, I like to cheat when I row. But hey, it works for me. I can row more than I can bench so it's definitely working. |
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Mar 31 2017, 03:46 PM
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Yo, check out the first post. I got my next program posted, quite excited to get back to the grind again next week. Even more volume than the hypertrophy phase of my meet prep, so I'm looking forward to being sore all the damn time. Also has a conditioning exercise programmed daily, which means I can start eating more now. Anybody wanna run it, please, feel free.
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Apr 1 2017, 09:34 AM
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Fuckarounditis Week Day 2 (31 March 2017)
Everything was sore, everything moved weird, it was as if I've lost all my strength and forgot how to do any of the powerlifting movements. It's just one of those bad days, it happens. On the flip side, morning weight has been a consistent 71.3kg, but I'm not too sure how to feel about it. I mean I want to lose some weight but at the same time I feel like I'm wasting away. Squat 100kg x 3 x 5, 50kg x 5 x 5 - Again I'm not entirely sure how many squats I did, I kinda lost track. Not that it matters anyway, it's nothing too serious. I worked up to a 100kg, all without sleeves and belt. I also experimented with a much narrower stance, which from video and reviews from others, is a horrible stance for me. I was pitched way forward and had to rely on back strength a lot to get out of the hole, even though my quads were worked more. I might actually have really long femurs, which would explain the deadlift and squat gap I have. I don't know. Never actually measured. And I gave the new stance a good shot too, I kept going till the end of the session. I ended up limping home as my right knee tendon got inflamed and my right butt cheek cramped up. I think this stance just might not be for me. It better than the super wide stance I tried the day before but not an improvement over my current form, so it only make sense to go back to my old stance. I'll probably play around with toe angle and knee flaring for now and see what works better. Deadlift T&G 110kg x 3 x 6, 142.5kg x 2 x 3, 142.5kg x 2 x 1 - I seem to have forgotten how to deadlift as well. My bracing wasn't as tight as usual and boy was 142.5kg heavy as fuck. I didn't wanna go too heavy so I ended it there. Not much to say actually. Deadlift is deadlift, it either goes up or it stays on the floor. Seated Bicycle Cardio x 10 mins @ 120BPM - Finished off the session with some light cardio. My knee tendon was in pain and I didn't want to stand, so I sat my fat ass on the bike. |
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