need the sifus comments on these shots, as in whats wrong with some of the photos so that can patch up my flaws for future events

All shots taken using : 350D, 70-200 F2.8L + 1.4x, CS2 (watermark, resize, etc)





















ok, open fire!

Nice panning...
now, borrow me your F2.8L for the weekend

yes boss

This post has been edited by andy: Feb 8 2007, 12:03 AM

boss... the shutter speed too high liao..
look like all bike stop at the track and let u shoot leh..

try low shutter speed..

okok, what shutter you recommend? 350D ar.. if too slow sure the photo not nice one..

start try from 1/250..
then try 1/200, 1/160, 1/125, 1/100, 1/80 .....

this is wht my sifu told me...
i oso start learn panning..

agreed with ahleong, slow shutter speed give better result , and the
expensive lens give very nice result too =)

some picture leaving too much space behind the bike , hehehe
just my 2 cents, no reach that pro level to comment much .

noted, I thought like 1/500 ok edi looks like should have asked before, now have to wait for F1 testing next month.. *runs to roadside for panning*

which one? if you're talking about the wheelie ones, I deliberately compose it to the side so that can print and ask for autograph, which I did!

Wahhh ... Ahleong Photography moving into motorsports already. Listen to his tips

To create more dynamism in your panning, go on a lower shutter speed to create motion blur for your bokeh and sense of speed with the bike rims still spinning when you capture them. Otherwise, your shots will look too stagnant with backgrounds looking sharp and grasses still faintly visible.

Good effort there brother..

thanks diwant

ac, how to practice safe shooting at slow shutter speeds? I dunno if it's my hands or what but at 280mm and below 1/600 my shots become very funny..



like this one, shot at 135mm also it's a bit blurred?

This post has been edited by andy: Feb 8 2007, 01:49 AM

nice try andy
i like to see panning shots
something different to look at

take more take more

something different to look at? lol

A about 1/60, even if you can handheld the camera, it won't be able to track the bike down at that speed with a frame that wide

Ehh? sorry sifu, I thought if wider means easier to track the object? and that pic was handheld, I thought I set the shutter to 1/100, no wonder the background so blur

panasonic, thanks

This post has been edited by andy: Feb 8 2007, 01:04 PM

Hmmm...

1st: Slow shutter speed, nobody can tell you how slow, cause you need to know the speed of you subject and adjust accordingly.

2nd: You need more, active space and not dead space. Active space meaning, the space in front of the bike to give it a sense that the bike is moving in.

3rd: Proper panning technique

Well ... you're using what to track the bike? Focusing points? Or just plain closing down the aperture and hope that the DOF will cover the bike as it zooms across? At 1/100 the image is still very fuzzy, means the bokeh still indicates that your hand moved DOWN instead or only right to left.

This post has been edited by ac98: Feb 8 2007, 01:22 PM

well i heard that using monopod for this kind of panning is useful too..

Of course it is!

AF not effective enough, so what I did was AF a specific point, then turn it to manual and wait for the bike to come, as it zoomed by I just capture when the AF point blinks, is this the correct technique?

and also, that specific shot was taken using my wide angle 28-135 because I was too near to use the 70-200 (attached with a monopod). but what I'm trying to ask you is, what do you mean by "won't be able to track the bike down at that speed with a frame that wide"

wow...nice shots, i wish i can join 1 day, btw how u got to go do this shooting?..

ur photo shutter bit 2 fast like what ahleong say, then the compo not really my taste..hehe...just my 2 cents...thx 4 sharing man...wait i got a telephoto i join u k..

hm, I also dunno what's wrong with the compo, when I see the bike is in the right spot I just snap only... maybe subjective la these things, but I really like the wheelie ones as it kind of shows motion, something like the bike is too fast for the camera to capture. plus, can even see the exhaust heat (a first for me)

erm..the compo i dont like cos its moving out of the frame...normally ppl will compo it moving into the frame...

smth like this i found on the net..
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=1702789

I like the speed, gives it just the right amount of motion, but I don't like the compo.. that's weird! but I think filling the frame always gets the job done.. oh yeah, F1 testing can come along la

It means if you neither specify a AF point or let the camera decide where the bike is, then there is not way you can get the bike sharp. The camera doesn't know what is track and what is bike. Even if you did specify a AF point, the chances of a speeding bike slipping pass the lil' red dot is very high, not a very effective to accurately capture the bike that way. What if you have to get TWO bikes in focus instead of just ONE?

I did specify the AF point lar, just that it's not in AF and yes I agree that theres the chance that it will slip the precise AF point, so what's the best way to do it then?

focus on two bikes? wahlaueh.... now you got me

wouldn't AI servo be a good option?

andy...
can pinjam ye 1.4x teleconverter to test on my sigma les..
donno working or not.. i mean autofocus function..hehe

There's no better way than to have the camera decide, even so, the camera must have enough points to support selective AF, up to at least 11-points. Now we're talking EOS 400D to EOS 30D here already

It's both good practice as well as a challenge for beginners doing motorsports. It's recommended to own at least 1 professional body if you're being paid to capture motorsports events. Not only you're working for speed but entry level bodies won't be able to handle the stress of shooting, lack of functions and the adverse working conditions.

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Added on February 8, 2007, 2:55 pm
Yalah ... Ahleong wanna buy one and use for 2007 Super GT, he covering motorsports events jor

This post has been edited by ac98: Feb 8 2007, 02:55 PM

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Yalah ... Ahleong wanna buy one and use for 2007 Super GT, he covering motorsports events jor

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lol
200mm no enough long leh..
280mm should be ok kua..

AI servo is a good option, but even with 45 AF points, I find it hard to make sure that one specific AF point remains on the bike as it's zooming by at 240km/h. I'm not being paid that much to afford a 1D, so, 350D for sale.....

ahleong, why you wanna get the Canon TC? your lens already Sigma better get Sigma TC

is there a such feature on pro bodies right, where the object can be moving to any Af point in the frame and camera follows the object, instead of you having chase the object for a specific AF point

F1 testing when?...hehe..sliva dripping leow..

mayb later i get canon 70-200mm f2.8L IS leh..

eh sorry, F1 testing next month liao, this 25th got car and bike trackday



chiuu, this one no need to test edi, faster buy buy!!

This post has been edited by andy: Feb 8 2007, 03:12 PM

you chiu chiu chiu... remember our deal later. or maybe saturday i drop by?

anyway, 3rd party batt for 350D would cost how much..

This post has been edited by nairud: Feb 8 2007, 03:16 PM

set a time yamcha.. bring yr 1.4x...

Well, you will HAVE to make sure that the subject matter falls onto corresponding AFPs, that will differeciate pros and beginners. As a beginner, you won't bother at all

That's why Ahleong wanna see your TC, test only mah, he might just get a Sigma or some other branded TC

hey I got signature word already! chiuu... aiyo I bring la I bring la wont ffk edi, confirm you will get the lense wan DONT WORRY! this one sure single battery inside battery grip case hahah! eh I suggest you buy the ori one la, I wanted to buy compatible one also but my friend had his leaking before, his one is the bigger capacity one.

my 1.4 goes wherever I go... lol



hoi! where got I dont bother, all my shots will look like sh*t la like that! then you mean to say pro body can select multiple AF points? come on, there must be something that differenciates this piece-of-crap and your RM16k camera...

This post has been edited by andy: Feb 8 2007, 03:26 PM

Dun get 3rd party batteries, later camera siukaujor (burn already) you will CRY!

6 months 1 to 1 exchange.. 800mAh.. rm70 NB-2LH

need extra juice to move that USM

then your camera also 6 months 1-1 la now? really ler, better dont, just scout for second hand ori batts la. I got mine at RM60 only

i will be in malaysia on 15 of feb, any 1 have any plan?..

15th?? balik kampung d..

Keep an eye out for me ya.

tomorrow nite ya available or not?

din know friday is weekend

nolar, going KLCC park to play around with rear curtain sync

All I can say is ... pro bodies let you worry less about the 'hows' of photography so you can concentrate on the 'whats'. Less questions, more answers, that is what a pro body can give you

Ic... can borrow your body for a while ah? just to feel the difference

Can ... no problem!

This time i really think you're spilling out all ur experience in motorsports photography for all of us to read and learn including me, and ur words are all simple and compact, unlike other previous 'tips' for model shooting.

Your advice in this column will be my reference for future shooting in the field.. Thanks a bunch..

sure eh?

diwant, I know what you mean

Nah ... dun mention it. Unlike photo forums, experienced photographers either keep their mouth shut or just playing stuck up so newbies won't steal their ricebowl. To me, professional photography market is stable enough to support its own : You pay professional price you get professional work, you pay 'newbie price' you get newbie images.

In forums like this, it's good to share and there's nothing better than to be more vocal becoz the world out there needs more 'action photographers' rather than 'vocal photographers'. When you're in here you talk more, when you're out there you DO more. Just becoz I am sharing more info does not mean I am spilling the beans, I am just sharing what I know i.e the hurdles I been thru, the crap I've seen and heard, so that newbies won't stumble over simple things in their learning curve. For example, if I tell you all the bed of roses of shooting a model drenched wet in FRIM you won't know anything about it apart from the excitement until you're there. Of course, I WON'T tell you about the mosquitos and leeches until you get bitten. The shoot is for you to enjoy ... the bites, wet spells and sufferings are for you to experience.

Enjoy Photography ... there's much more to learn than the pressing of the shutter button

Absolutely..