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English Clubs Liverpool LYN Kop Talk - BELIEVE V 6 2016/2017, LFC 2 : 0 TOT #YNWA

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carloz28
post Jan 22 2017, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Jan 22 2017, 11:06 AM)
Am I the only one who thinks Can is worse than Wijnaldum? For all the safe passes and invisible act that he is, he was still making runs and even managed to provide an assist for Firmino, but I'm not defending him because he was still pretty bad regardless. Can just looked much worse to me. He is clumsy in possession, slow on the ball, cannot run with the ball. At least Wijnaldum knows what his role is, that is to cycle the ball around quickly aka the boring midfield job. Problem is when him and Can plays together, there is just way too much negativity in midfield. All we can do is tap the ball from left to right and back to left outside the penalty area without actually creating anything.

I still don't see why we would pay over 25m for Wijnaldum. He is not a bad player but certainly not a 25m one, maybe more of a 15m one, the sort we wouldn't mind as a backup on the bench and for rotations.
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Can, with all said and done has shown flashes of brilliance every now and then not to mention that he had chipped in a fair of goals from the midfield. He is having a poor run of games n we can't expect him to go beasting like Suarez week in week out.

On the other hand, Gigi has done jack shit for us apart from scoring that header and always go missing in games.

Look at his performance vs Man U and u will know y I said that.

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post Jan 22 2017, 01:22 PM

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Matip record of not losing when he play also no more dy
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post Jan 22 2017, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(ThisIsAter @ Jan 22 2017, 01:22 PM)
Matip record of not losing when he play also no more dy
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Record of not losing when he starts still stands. smile.gif
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post Jan 22 2017, 06:24 PM

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on the bright side.... beside arsenal and chelsea... the rest has only managed to earn one point..
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post Jan 22 2017, 06:48 PM

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Jurgen Klopp creating more problems than he solves by using Lallana in attack in Mane’s absence

Lallana
With Mane still missing, it was again intriguing to see who Klopp deployed on the right-hand side of the front-three.

Frustratingly, he again opted for Lallana. And again it didn’t work.

The England international is probably the leading contender for Liverpool’s Player of the Year award this season, and it has been from the midfield three that he has shone so brightly.

Taking a key man out of his best position is always a big risk and while a front-three of Philippe Coutinho, Lallana and Firmino looks good on paper, it lacks balance.

Lallana lacks the pace of Mane to be able to run in behind the opposition defence, and his natural preference is to come to the ball every time. It made life far easier for Swansea’s defence.

Nathaniel Clyne, very poor by his standards, was often left with no option down the line, and Liverpool’s play became horribly predictable.

Many had been calling for Lallana to return to the midfield three, and it was very disappointing to see Klopp decide against it.

Against teams of Swansea’s stature, especially at home, you have to be more bold in your approach and ditch one of the less creative midfielders.

Can
Emre Can has been under-performing all season and it was hard not to feel disappointed when he was named in the starting line-up.

Few players look as clumsy and ineffective when out of form as Can and on an afternoon when so many played badly, he was the worst of the lot.

His decision-making is far too ponderous at the moment, he takes an age to get into his stride and far too many passes were either aimless or lacking creativity.

Can can be effective in the bigger games, when a more robust approach is required in the middle of the park, but matches against lesser teams bring out the very worst in him.

So much of Liverpool’s early-season brilliance was built around the dynamic midfield triumvirate of Jordan Henderson, Georginio Wijnaldum and Lallana, and we must start seeing that again on a weekly basis.

Can remains a young player who has been overly criticised by some, but his form is woeful and he should be nowhere Klopp’s starting XI at the moment.

Sturridge
So who should occupy that wide right role in Mane’s absence?

A new signing would have been nice, but that hasn’t arrived, and we’ve seen again how much more effective Firmino is in the central no.9 now.

So why not play Sturridge from the right? He wouldn’t be a like-for-like replacement for Mane in terms of his style, but it would mean keeping the rest of the team’s shape at its strongest.

Things haven’t gone Sturridge’s way at all this season, and he has never managed to get a solid run in the team. Strikers need that if they are to hit top gear.

Sturridge knows himself that some of his performances have not been good enough in 2016/17, but he has still been harshly treated by Klopp.

He should have been in ahead of the infuriating Divock Origi a number of times, and Saturday’s miserable defeat looked ideal for him to start.

Admittedly, using him on the right may not be ideal, but the intelligence and ability to interchange that he possesses would not have made it an issue.

When you come up against teams with packed defences, you rely on moments of individual magic. Sturridge has exactly that in his locker, but only a second-half cameo came his way.

Hindsight can be a wonderful thing at times, but had Lallana played in midfield in place of Can, with Sturridge on the right, Liverpool would likely have overcome Swansea.

In fact, bringing on Origi straight after Firmino made it 2-2 was another mistake by Klopp, and also worked against his team.

The Brazilian was thriving centrally alongside Sturridge, Lallana had finally been moved into a central role at the tip of the midfield diamond and Liverpool were in the ascendancy.

Origi’s arrival completely blunted the Reds’ rhythm, and Swansea took advantage of it.

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2017/01/lalla...ust-eradicated/

Completely agree with this article. Lallana must be moved back into midfield to not let Can and Gini play together.
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post Jan 22 2017, 07:25 PM

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So much has been said about Can and Gini, but i think Klopp has largely been spared for his team selection.. If the team is accused of complacency, he deserves most of the blame since he is the one who sets expectation of the game.

I mean, if Cout has recovered to make the start, why not revert to the starting line up that served us so well. Origi may not be like for like for Mane but he is quite a natural forward so he would run behind defense from inside right like Mane does. Cout-Firmino-Lallana has too much creativity but too little threat behind defense.

This loss is on Klopp, imo
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post Jan 22 2017, 07:28 PM

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Hope Klopp wont repeat this blunder again in our next game

And will he buy another playmaker b4 the window closes ?


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post Jan 22 2017, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(digilife @ Jan 22 2017, 07:28 PM)
Hope Klopp wont repeat this blunder again in our next game

And will he buy another playmaker b4 the window closes ?
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Buy Dimitri Payet!!!

Best playmaker in Europe!!!


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post Jan 22 2017, 09:24 PM

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lazar markovic coming back?

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2017/01/sport...ovic-loan-deal/
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post Jan 23 2017, 12:09 AM

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arsenal drew...
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post Jan 23 2017, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(qqmeng @ Jan 23 2017, 12:09 AM)
arsenal drew...
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Pancut early
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post Jan 23 2017, 12:11 AM

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QUOTE(qqmeng @ Jan 23 2017, 12:09 AM)
arsenal drew...
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Tak Pakai minyak belacak le tu
qqmeng
post Jan 23 2017, 12:19 AM

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dem...... top 4 s all tht matters now
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post Jan 23 2017, 12:23 AM

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OMG, juz realised that Chelsea will face us next... mega_shok.gif
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post Jan 23 2017, 03:08 AM

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QUOTE(stickmanchong17 @ Jan 23 2017, 12:23 AM)
OMG, juz realised that Chelsea will face us next...  mega_shok.gif
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and i believe in ur team vs big team, klopp will win
the kops are incredible strong vs big team
typical liverpool, tonik ape i dunno
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post Jan 23 2017, 10:32 AM

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focus on win at soton this wednesday, morale is boosted
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post Jan 23 2017, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(stickmanchong17 @ Jan 23 2017, 12:23 AM)
OMG, juz realised that Chelsea will face us next...  mega_shok.gif
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No problem. Robin Hood mode will be on.
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QUOTE
The players we want because we think they help us, the clubs don’t sell,”

“It is not about money in this situation, it is the winter transfer window.

“Clubs are saying ‘No, we have half a year to go, we cannot find another player like this, we prefer to take money in the summer than a few pounds more in the winter than whatever’.


Klopp on difficulty on landing transfer target during January.

Meanwhile we can say goodbye to Dortmund's Pulisic as Dortmund announced he has signed contract extension.
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post Jan 25 2017, 12:13 AM

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Overpriced winter window? We paid nearly 30 m for gini in summer window.. an average joe from a championship club.
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post Jan 25 2017, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(sahathai @ Jan 25 2017, 12:13 AM)
Overpriced winter window? We paid nearly 30 m for gini in summer window.. an average joe from a championship club.
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Nah, excuses.
Couts / Studge were Jan transfers bargain back then. "Right" players don't need to be expensive. #inb4 "couldn't find the right one" rolleyes.gif

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