Flawed logic. Undervolting, much like OCing is very dependent on lotsa factors inc silicon lottery, and it takes time to ensure full stability which can manifest 1-2months later when certain usage. You paid for the full perf, if you wanted lower perf just get a lower tier card which will save you money. No need to overspend.

Just get more powerful psu ,psu will degrade over the years and thepower will be reduce. PSU nowadays is quite affordable, brand like deepcool,1stplayer give 10 years price around RM4xx and cheaper if buy with voucher on shopee/lazada.

nothing wrong having extra headroom my dear, beside that human will think differently with time as you becoming more wiser. today you dont need the extra performance, tomorrow you might needing it. if psu kaput, for sure you will be upgrading to better unit or there is possibility getting better replacement unit after rma, getting psu that is handle power excursion well.
also the higher performance card come with better cooler when it comes to msrp model like extra wider heatsink, more copper pipe, more fan that could give you better cooling headroom. also you will have more comppnent in the power delivery section of the cards, so you will have those component less strain giving more lifespan to the card if you choose to undervolt, underclock or power limiting the card.
to the abang besar usa people,it is just 50usd different, it just a price of single day food spending, so buying higher tier card is no brainer.

Extra headroom is called OCing, not undervolting. If you have certain limitations, yeah sure. But if its just for an aged PSU, its not worth it. It might last this year but might no longer be okay next year and then the system starts crashing, who knows.

Anyhow 650W even brand new isnt what is reco by the AIB itself plus it needs 2 8pin PCIE. Most 650W uses a pigtail to double up which isnt really good for high powered GPU.



Not using whats reco by the brands can also risk voiding warranty. Its not worth it when MSI A750BN is just RM 330.

im talking about headroom on getting higher tier card la (but with same gpu die)
undervolting is modern day overclocking, except that you are putting a limiter in place, it could be power limiting or clock limiting. anyway the modern graphic card already have hard limit on the maximum voltage that the gpu can accept, so even if someone maxing out in overclocking tool, it most likely wont cause permanent damage to the gpu, shortening the lifespan yes, but not straight away fry out the gpu or even the memory module.

750w of a modern psu doesnt mean it will have the same quality as older day psu. a 650w psu can virtually the same components as its 850w brother, it just those psu having overload protection IC limits how much the power that the psu can supply, if the computer component are being power starved, it will turning off itself (likely to cause OS crashes of coz), not like it cause damage to the component, implying there is not short curcuit happened like 110/230v supply enter 12v, 5v, 3.3v rail or so. it is pretty much safe to run 100% load on those psu for long period of time because internally it was over-engineered.

also you are suggesting a bronze 80+ certified psu, which mean we have some cut corner done on the psu design, personally i will take lower power older PSU with gold/platinum 80+ certificate than this. somemore its not full modular. also that doesnt mean every gold 80+ will be good either, i will not trust Helly Technogy design psu used in 1st player NGDP model or newer deepcool model just yet, the same can be said with great wall design either.

do note that 5 years old psu doesnt necessary mean old. psu manufacturer are giving 8,10 years warranty for their gold/platinum 80+ certified psu, meaning it is expected to work optimally within their warranty period, it just doesnt have the new feature that atx3.1 psu had like 12hpwr/12v-2x6 connector and allowance of short duration power excursion.

As I said above there is no guarantees to undervolting, as much like OCing, not everyone can achieve same level of very low usage. Some can do better than others. IMHO risking system stability just coz wanna skimp on upgrading PSU is not a good idea. Mind you while the risk of hardware failure is lower than OCing, you can kill GPU by going too low.

And I think you have wrong impression about a quality of PSU. I would not trade a brandnew 750W Bronze PSU for a used GOLD/PLATINUM 650W unit as being used meant it has lost efficiency over each year of use, yes even a highly specced PSU will lose a percentage deswai I said even if its okay this year it may be below the operational threshold next year or so. It depends. Mind you its also uncommon to find locally a GOLD rated unit for such mid-low power rating to begin with or else the price just doesnt make sense as it likely will be as high as 750W bronze rated unit.

While at it you also have the wrong impression than 80plus rating equals quality which isnt so. There are so many many techtubers & the cultist list that debunk such thinking as 80plus has nothing to do how good a PSU is about, your power rating is more important then the components & built quality. I trust that MSI Bronze PSU more than GOLD rated Giga GM firestarters. And then as for your bias against NGDP, the entire range have been reviewed and even wrung thru Cybernetics certifications by crmaris. Mind you, Cyber covers safety, noise as well as efficiency, arguably can be considered as PSU quality rating.
OTOH Great Wall, while not outstanding, have recent years been solid maker, as their also OEM to popular brands like Corsair. I see your bias against Chinese makers is strong and there are merits to that but while there are plenty garbage brands & makes, there are those whom are solid despite not having a known brandname as they prefer to be OEM to Western brands.

majority of graphic card can undervolt, all of them you can underclock to save power. you still have opportunity to reuse that old psu as long as you know the limitation. it sound illogical that you must upgrade the psu when you bought it less than 5 years old. in year 2020 650w gold 80+ full modular model were cost like close to rm400, i bet the same design most probably it will cost at least rm500 today(but it will come with 100w limit uplift), though it doesnt make sense to sell it today as the money is on atx3.1 specification psu now. psu doesnt degrade as fast as you thought, previously i had 600w year 2011 xigmatek psu (known for bad ripple performance) that i did giveaway for free in carolsell. i had around 8 hours stress test before handover running unigine superposition and cinebench with 12700kf and 7800xt, no crashes whatsoever.
anyway i dont suggest anyone to go look for used psu in the used market for the new hardware, just used your old hardware implying that you hardly over utilized those hardware. aged/broken capacitors reduced available electric charges to its consumer, it is unlikely to kill the components unless there is short circuit happen.

it is really easy for modern psu to get 80+ gold rating by pick and match quality components. if a psu cant get that gold rating,its mean one thing, the design utilize sub-par cheap components. a lower efficiency power supply create more heat that will degrade the component faster, there is no rocket science out of this. 80+ bronze certified last 15 years are very good because they are still putting quality component inside, getting gold 80+ certificate is rarity at that time for mainstream model, only expensive design can achieve those. could we guarantee that the current bronze 80+ psu are more reliable compared to the old design?
anyway we didnt hear any news out those gigabyte explosion issue after they lowered down their OPP value.

yes chinese components give better specification at lower price, but does it meant the performance remains for long period of time? thats is not something that certification body could guarantee even with all their accelerated test, we will only get the idea once those components has been on the field (hand of consumer) for long period of time. have we see reputable taiwan psu designer like seasonic, hec, fsp, superflower,cwt use chinese capacitors largely now? doesn't they want to be see as companies that give alot of value to their consumer?

do recall that the explosive GP-P750GM and GP-P850GM are having tons of chinese component inside and its designed by china company (MEIC). also that psu were been given 'A' result by cybernetics according to hwbusters.

This post has been edited by zerorating: Mar 25 2025, 06:36 AM

did asrock malaysia revised their rx9070 card msrp? so they are attempting to price competitive with the like of colorful and palit?


price from brightstar website, though it wont matter much at the moment since the card out of stock everywhere

Wow 3299 for 9070xt? (Looking at the steel legend)

Wow thats nice to see 3299 for steel legend, wandering why malaysia has no Asrock 9070xt Taichi stock, hopefully will come to malaysia too

Same, I am looking for Asrock 9070xt but seems like malaysia only fond of the big 3 (Sapphire, XFX and Powercolour)

true, but there will be some vendors who are bringing in asrock following previous trend (7000 series), though it would just be a small minority of them.

asrock taichi stock should be available by this week or next week. Selling price should be around 3.8k+

This post has been edited by rifles: Mar 27 2025, 01:57 PM

9070 below msrp has arrive, need to apply voucher for sure

oh nice ? nationwide or specific shops only?

Should be nationwide based on past releases. Specific models available for release every weeks.

Many shop started to sell 50series and 9000 series graphic card at RRP without bundle.

nice hopefull the price will come closer to the real msrp in US

i dont like taichi design thou, 12vhp connector with rgb header beside it, cables not conceal.

haha beauty is in the eye of the beholder, the sapphire nitro+ is so heavy almost weighing 2kg though...

this aside, i heard both taichi and nitro + have the most coil whine issues... now im contemplating whether to get OC 9070xt since most OC units have vram temp at 90 degree or higher ...
also nitro uses ptm7950 while asrock doesnt.... sigh

sapphire got provide gpu holder for it. My pure 9070xt vram temp around 8x degree, probably because of casing fan direct blow into graphic card.