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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V) Se7en, Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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post Oct 18 2016, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 16 2016, 07:06 PM)
When you die, all your holdings in asnb will be transferred to your kids in cash. By paying them rm190 (current price) + extra charges you get to transfer your holdings in unit form instead of cash.

In my opinion not worth it as
(i) we won't be sure how amanah saham return is in the future
(ii) your kid will be charged a few % commission when the transfer is done
(iii) if I am not mistaken, there's a yearly fees
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Without this, it will take 2 years for your kids to get cash.
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post Oct 18 2016, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 16 2016, 07:19 PM)
Oh ya, the time is also another one. With will, one get the money slower, with this pengisytiharan amanah, one get the money faster. Thanks for pointing out about the annual fees. For me the annual fees + the transfer charge is a turn off. If one time payment of say RM100, I won't mind asking my parents to go for it. But since there is annual fees + the transfer charge, I told my parents don't need to waste money.
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If u put ASX in the will it is costlier. Without will it will take 2 years, my friend's experience. And pls don't compare with DIY will.

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post Oct 18 2016, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(twinkle5129 @ Oct 18 2016, 12:30 PM)
I've looked at it. Lawyer claim % higher than PA. Do check with your individual lawyer.
PA has extra benefits + a piece of mind for me & my family.
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Fully agree after I have done my homework.

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post Oct 18 2016, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Oct 18 2016, 02:38 PM)
Will is a must, if you have significant amount of assets.

Fee for registration /will writing/annual maintenance fee is usually not much...
the REAL charge is when assets are to be transferred to your beneficiary-
the higher your asset value, the more your beneficiary would need to pay,
few thousands for every million.

You can cut down on that ("?fat bill"), by distributing your assets early while you are still alive...
eg open ASX books, buy properties, UT on your kids' name.

to be on the safe side, prepare wills for the kids above legal age also, just in case......
of course later when marriage comes in......wills will need to change.
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U can transfer some assets early but not all. The balance still needs to be taken care of. But overall it will cost less.
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post Oct 18 2016, 08:59 PM

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Sorry double post.

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post Oct 19 2016, 01:48 PM

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I have zero FD now. ASX:EPF:stocks:eGIA:UT is 380:120:20:5:1. When I retire n fulltime in managing my money, hopefully can rebalance to 200:100:0:5:200. A big portion will be moved to UT.
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post Oct 19 2016, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 19 2016, 02:00 PM)
Stumbled upon this post.

Out of curiosity, why not increase the stocks portion when you can manage your money full time? Returns can be better than UT. Ppl go into UT because it requires less monitoring.

Also, with that revised ratio, which class of asset would you be drawing your daily expenses from?
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Stocks are too much hassle, esp rights, prefer to leave it to d fundmanager. Even though fulltime I want to be able to go for long holidays aka less monitoring. Daily expenses credit card > from ASx (early of d month) and other days from eGIA.
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post Oct 19 2016, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Oct 19 2016, 02:54 PM)
From 526 to 505, 21 missing ?
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 19 2016, 03:04 PM)
I dun understand those numbers
Can u enlighten?
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Those are just ratios.
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post Oct 19 2016, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 19 2016, 02:58 PM)
True also la, stocks can be quite time consuming especially for day traders. I was more thinking of rebalancing strategy and hence I ask like that. Maybe can replenish the spent ASx when you take profit from UT

I find your allocation quite different from how people here seems to think. From what I gather from the limited time I spent on this thread the others seem to think ASx FP is of no/low risk compared to UT which is of higher risk.

Upon retirement one usually want more stable returns and limited downside risk so that they don't end up with insufficient retirement funds. So generally the personal finance advice is for retirees to move their UT or stocks portfolio into fixed income to avoid excessive downside risk

Of course different story if you have lots of dough and the UT is meant as inheritance to the kids and therefore can take a long term view.

Hope you don't find this unsolicited advice too offensive. Just sharing my observation.
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Not offensive at all, all good advice are welcome TQ. After retirement, the returns from non-UT are enuf for living expenses.
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post Oct 19 2016, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 19 2016, 03:12 PM)
I tot ratios in aggregate shld b 100%?  hmm.gif
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Just want the figures to be whole number n not decimal. If it pleases u then just divide individual ratio with ~5.2.
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post Oct 19 2016, 05:32 PM

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guy3288 the figures I gave are just ratios, not in actual values. Was hoping to get an extra 3-5% more from UT, to be used for some extravagances.

"In FSM UT thread, many can't even get 6% returns , despite years of experience and knowing all those sharpe ration, asset allocation and whatnot......that's how different UT is."
Are u sure many of the sifus in FSM can't even get 6% returns? Thought they are getting >10%.
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post Oct 20 2016, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 20 2016, 11:11 AM)
Did u calculate wat is the annualised returns or IRR?
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11.16%
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post Oct 20 2016, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Oct 20 2016, 11:31 AM)
Sorry may be i am financial noob, so don't know how to calculate IRR (Internal Return Rate?).....
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http://www.buyupside.com/calculators/sovle...stratedec07.htm
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post Oct 20 2016, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Oct 20 2016, 11:44 AM)
Not that specialized. If say 14 years, 4.4X return. But stagnant for 2 years. So lets say 16 years 4.4X return, what is the IRR ?

My UT holding is the highest in PM. Next ASX, FP and ASG, then CB UT keeping my Citigold status. Lowest in CIMB. Hahaha.  biggrin.gif
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9.7%
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post Oct 23 2016, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Oct 23 2016, 08:46 AM)
Should it be beginning of new mth as some may still want the dividend for that month ?
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This monthend b4 deepavali, the Hindus (non-bumi) selling.

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post Oct 24 2016, 10:24 PM

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Following FD sifu bbgoat. more n more ppl from FD joining the crowded gravy train of ASx. sad.gif
Generally, do not flaunt wealth lest u become victim of kidnap.

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post Oct 25 2016, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(noiseemunkee @ Oct 25 2016, 01:10 PM)
hi all, is the amanah saham gemilang still available? if available worth to invest as sales charge is either 3 % epf and 5% non epf?
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search "ASG" n u will get the answer.
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post Oct 25 2016, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(Kamen Rider @ Oct 25 2016, 02:00 PM)
Temporary suspend the AS1M transaction as want to top up more on ASM/ASW...  biggrin.gif
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Buy whatever u can grab, then switch among the funds. But someone will say this is childish as all ASx giving the same returns.
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post Oct 27 2016, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(financelovers @ Oct 27 2016, 04:28 PM)
Hi guys, I am just wondering will vision2050 affects asw? 😵😵😵
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post Oct 31 2016, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Oct 31 2016, 10:18 PM)
Well it's true..
ASx is higher than FD.. Known fact..

Hmm some would say, all 3 is same basket.. ie same company devil.gif why needs to do "balancing"
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This year's ASx div proved that they do not always give the same returns.
If one allocation is of the ratio(asw:asm:as1m) like 1:1:8, by 'balancing' it to 3:3:4 even a 0.2% diff in div would give a diff of 1.3% returns.

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