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 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V) Se7en, Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

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Hansel
post Nov 3 2016, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Nov 3 2016, 08:57 AM)
Have small amt of Genting shares, have been receiving their dividends. But it seems to be getting smaller over the years ? Buy some more ?  hmm.gif

Today have to go to banks. Still hesitate to put too much in FP. FD is still my desire. But small amt will allocate for FP.  biggrin.gif
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Bro,... don't buy Genting for dividends,... they don't believe in rewarding shareholders in this way, they believe in rewarding shareholders via growth and capital appreciation. They believe in retained earnings.

That's what LKT said once when they held the AGM in Sgp.

They are, after all, a gambling counter,....
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post Nov 3 2016, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 2 2016, 10:57 AM)
I have both ASX FP and FSM SG funds. I say the same thing again :-

1) If you don't wish to do any work, go for ASX FP.
2) If you wish to do homework, go for FSM, be it FSM MY or FSM SG.

If you put into ASX FP and not take out since 2004, the fund can grow 200% too, rough count,... compounding effect.

The beauty of the ASX FP is one can definitely get 6-7% per yr without fail, unlike FSM UTs whereby, in some yrs... you get negative returns and in other years, positive returns.

1) If you are a 'lazy' Fixed Income investor, go for ASX FPs for stability.

2) If you are a Growth Investor, go for FSM UTs, but please study up first.
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QUOTE(kpfun @ Nov 3 2016, 09:50 AM)
No - not correct to say that. Other fund houses have to work hard for results to attract subscribers.

Unfortunately, not all the VP funds are out performing, and therefore, the challenge for ordinary investors is how to pick the right one. Whereas, FP is for "no need to crack brain to think which one to pick" investors.
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kpfun reiterated on what I mentioned on Nov 2, 2016.

Yes, there is an error in my statements being : since 2004, compounding effect,... but it was for just for one yr only was the dividend paid out in cheque since I invested. I hoped forummers don't harp on this,...

To add more : I used to be satisfied earning 6-7% per year back in those days, but when the RM plunged in 2014/5, and the SGD rose to 1 SGD = RM3 or more,... I don't think 6-7% is good enough anymore. We must not look only at in-country events, or compare with in-country FD rates and in-country UT performance, we have to see and compare with our purchasing power against the whole world.
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post Nov 3 2016, 12:09 PM

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We have other advantages compared to many countries, especially when compared against the western countries. the advantages are :-

1) We are NOT TAXED on our overseas income, hence, from whatever we make from our overseas investments, we don't have to pay taxes, LEGALLY.

We don't even have to declare on this income.

Many western countries impose taxes on worldwide income. The US is 'discouraging' American citizens from investing overseas.

2) The Gov't is no more discouraging us from sending funds overseas, unlike during that PM's time. It's more of a free economy now, this is one thing good abt the current leader.

3) We are near to a country that is now a worldwide financial hub, the culture is the same, the people are similar,... why not take the advantage to join in onto the bandwagon ?

No need to go far, bros,... just travel down 350 km only,....

Many people in the world wish to invest also can't find the above advantages, especially those from western countries, and those from the developed countries. Take the opportunity, bros,..... before the doors are closed.
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post Nov 3 2016, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Nov 3 2016, 12:14 PM)
What is the best way to send funds to Singapore legally easily n cheaply?
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The best way is to try out the different banks to do TT.

The word : legally, can be taken in many different ways.
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post Nov 3 2016, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 3 2016, 03:52 PM)
U mean, whole year stay in Malaysia, do foreign job / project & gets paid foreign currency too..

Then, I guess u needs to pay tax.. Someone mention it before..
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QUOTE(MGM @ Nov 3 2016, 03:57 PM)
I think Hansel was referring to investment income, not occupational income.
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From the Taxation Act, if work is done locally but paid from a foreign country via direct remittance to a Malaysian Bank Account, then you must declare. Taxed or not, let LHDN decide.

If work is done abroad, including normal work and investments, there is NO necessity to declare.

Please interpret the above paras carefully, and you can see clearly where is the possibility for taxation.
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post Nov 3 2016, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Nov 3 2016, 12:52 PM)
So TT is the best way. Can TT any amount and reason for TT as investment is allowed?
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Your financial commitments in Msia must fall within some prescribed limits if you are going to tick 'Investments' on the objective for TT'ing out. After ticking this, I have not heard of anyone being checked and being prohibited from TT'ing due to breaches of those prescribed limits.

It's still quite lenient at the moment - free economy.
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post Nov 4 2016, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Nov 4 2016, 05:24 PM)
U were lucky to get the retail bonds at high 6.x or 7.x%. Unless new retail bonds, the RM told me cannot get high rates. Just the 4.x% I mentioned for already issued ones., have to pay premium for it also.

Parked some sum in MBB GIA-i. Then Monday OCBC FD matured. Going to see RM. She recommended Affin newly issued bond fund with pay out 5 to 5.5% rate. Klibor 5% one also available, issued by OCBC.

All the hard work made me thinking, dump all to FP ! tongue.gif Have resisted the temptation !
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Yeah,.. BB,... I used to think like this too,... so much hard work to diversify,... and the returns are lower than FP too !!! biggrin.gif might as well dump all into FP and stop all the thinking,....
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post Nov 4 2016, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Nov 4 2016, 06:02 PM)
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No dough is a problem, with some dough also a problem !

But keeps us moving, keep us alive !

Would u dump everything into FP, would u ?  Meaning nothing else except FP ? devil.gif
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I would do my best to exhaust all my avenues to get safer and better returns,... and after that, if still no choice, I would need to go hunting for FP units,....
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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Nov 4 2016, 06:40 PM)
I would try to get safe and moderate returns. But recently becomes itchy (don't volunteer for anything to ease the itch  tongue.gif ), going for some more risky stuff like retail bond, bond funds, Klibor etc, in a way FP fund also.  biggrin.gif
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Yeah,... this is normal,... after sometime with an instruments and our knowledge, experience and confidence hes been built up, we tend to want to try out more risky stuff, in the process, hoping to get better returns. Even fixed income investors do this.
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post Nov 8 2016, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Nov 8 2016, 10:44 AM)
Well, nobody knows what will happen in the future. But having foreign holdings to mitigate any currency movement may be good. There are some who will swear to S$ holding !

Other than US stocks (small amt) that I am holding, I think I have too much in RM. It is up to individual to decide.  biggrin.gif
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Yes,... bb,... you will not regret it later,...diversify yr currency holdings before the doors are closed.
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post Nov 9 2016, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Nov 8 2016, 08:24 PM)
I know u will come out and shout S$ ...................... biggrin.gif
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Well,... I am a lot ofr the SGD, however, I too believed in diversification,... smile.gif
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post Nov 11 2016, 05:30 PM

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When 'capital controls' are eventually lifted later, please diversify your holdings.
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QUOTE(tonytyk @ Nov 11 2016, 05:52 PM)
Yes,... indirectly,... the actions taken are almost similar and the effects and consequences felt are almost similar,...it's just that there is no official declaration of this only,.... but I'm open to criticisms, I'll accept opinions,...


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post Nov 14 2016, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(kpfun @ Nov 14 2016, 10:15 AM)
Now is going through economy uncertainty years due to Brexit and Trump, getting more people to move their money to those conservative investment.
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I would advise the investors here to broaden their scope and go open accounts overseas to invest. If they have the capacity to invest in PNB, they would have the funds, generally, to invest. Perhaps no knowledge, but this can be improved.

Change their RM into foreign currencies and diversify their currency holdings, since the doors here and outside are not fully-closed yet !

However, I am beginning to see signs of doors closing in MY (preventing funds from being taken out) and SG (preventing opening of bank accounts here and there).

PLEASE MOVE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE !!!
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post Nov 14 2016, 04:09 PM

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"people are moving to "safe" investments like ASx blush.gif "

RM investments are not so safe anymore, bro,...
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post Nov 14 2016, 06:48 PM

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Actually if the RM's strength is close to the SGD's, not necessary to be the same,... but being close is good enough-lar,..then the ASX FP funds are really very good investments.

Can get 6+%, and no brainer,... just sit and wait for the money only,... actually very good !!!
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post Nov 15 2016, 09:13 AM

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Yes, William and MGM,... BUT : nothing is perfect,.. MYR is weak and open to shocks, getting weaker and weaker.
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post Nov 15 2016, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Nov 15 2016, 08:06 PM)
Wondering y ASNB keep request unit holders to update personal particulars  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 15 2016, 08:38 PM)
Update banking information..
Hmm seems like future dividend gonna be paid into our bank account blush.gif
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QUOTE(rickarch @ Nov 15 2016, 09:15 PM)
any idea where to update the particulars? at ASNB office or the agent banks?
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 15 2016, 09:36 PM)
Asnb office..
Or u can just email them..

asnbcare@pnb.com.my blush.gif if you're lazy laugh.gif
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I think from those infos shown on Williams post, PNB has everything on us EXCEPT our Bank Account No, right ? What is the timeline given,... must update by when, bros ?
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post Nov 16 2016, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Nov 15 2016, 10:28 PM)
well I been seen that reminder since last 2 years or so  biggrin.gif
every year annual report booklet (last page) also have the same thing.. I just don't bother about it  devil.gif  tongue.gif  dry.gif
well more headache for those keen to top up instead of spending the dividend  bye.gif  bruce.gif
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Then this updating exercise is something normal,... = no need to do ! biggrin.gif Msian-style,... so, better go do something else more productive first ! After all,... ASX investments are supposed to be no-brainers,....why spend so much time for an RM investment ?


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post Nov 16 2016, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(kpfun @ Nov 16 2016, 08:57 AM)
I have moved some funds out during RM was strong, at around RM3.1 for USD. Of cause, I make some good money now.

But, at RM4.3 now, moving initiative needs to think carefully.
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Err,...naturally, one would want to hav as low an RM amount per USD as possible to convert. But if one has ways to make money from the USDs gotten from a conversion, then I think it's okay to convert at any rate at all,...provided there IS AN OPENING NOW IN THE ASSET CLASS TARGETTED outside.

Don't know how to explain this,... it's something like,.. the price of Manulife US REIT now is good,... so, getting hold of expensive USDs now is okay if you convert to buy into Manulife US REIT,... as an example,...

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