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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V70, Final thread by TS

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post Aug 3 2017, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(sanosizo @ Aug 3 2017, 01:29 PM)
I changed the timing belt, waterpump and spark plug there last year if I'm not mistaken. I noticed the foreman workmanship was a bit harsh. When I saw him pulled the ignition coil using a plier, I made my mind not to send my car here again.
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My experience is they can be a proper mongrel to pull out, so I wouldn't be concerned about someone using a bit of muscle on them, it can be needed.

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post Aug 6 2017, 06:10 AM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Aug 6 2017, 12:15 AM)
This method just reveal ur alternator is not giving enough voltage at idle. A car like Saga the alternator voltage will always >14.2V when car in idle with aircond running and lamp turn ON and remained constant regardless of engine RPM.
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Good point, I'm showing my age a bit, that simple method would be better served now by having the headlights on with the engine stopped and seeing if they become brighter upon starting, running then stopping the engine and check if they get dimmer. Personally I find meters so cheap now that there's no real excuse not to own one.

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post Aug 11 2017, 01:48 PM

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Just replace the lamp, all should be good after that.
if you're like me and have a hankering for LED lamps then seek a lamp that's OK for CANBUS, they have a resistor built in to provide a tiny flow of current.

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post Aug 19 2017, 12:54 PM

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QUOTE(AMenzZ @ Aug 19 2017, 12:51 PM)
1. Me using stock rim 14" on 185/65r14 shoe, it's ok for me, no scrapping


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Good to know, do they help economy and if it's a CVT what sort of rpm does it turn when doing 100 km/h?

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post Aug 22 2017, 02:59 PM

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I replaced my originals with Kinforest KF550 175/65-14. excellent tyre, good grip and wear vastly less thus far than the Goodyear that it came shod with. Oddly for the first time in my life I noticed a difference in comfort with the new ones noticeably superior.

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post Sep 7 2017, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(and.inc @ Sep 7 2017, 12:09 PM)
FL* User here...wish to reconfirm remote car battery is 2016 type.....too lazy to open up...
*then a week after the FLX came out sad.gif
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For my FLX it came with a CR-2032 but I've been using 2 x CR-2016 for the last couple of years as I found the higher voltage was more reliable yet still under the chips maximum rating. I did have to put a thin insulating strip around the edge of the cells where they slip into the holder to avoid short circuit issues.
For those curious about lithium cell part numbers the 20 in these is for 20 mm diameter and the 16 is for 1.6 mm with 32 being 3.2 mm, they use a very logical formula so a CR2032 is twice the depth of a CR2016.

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post Sep 7 2017, 02:53 PM

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My Daisy passed its warranty period on the 5th September so the time for making claims has gone unused.
Meanwhile plenty of owners who have bought fancier more expensive steeds have also been inconvenienced by making claims, something which we can be very positive about Proton.
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post Dec 14 2017, 05:43 AM

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I have to wonder if they've fitted the belt a tooth out on one of the cogs?
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post Dec 18 2017, 05:07 AM

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QUOTE(breekachu @ Dec 18 2017, 04:28 AM)
Hi can anyone please lookout at owner manual? And go to the tyre section? I need to know how much the torque to lock the nuts. Please help me. I want to change my tyre this afternoon. I dont want the shop tighten the nut uisng the gun. Thats not the proper ways.

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I don't know the official figure but 105 Nm is about right for wheel nuts on a 12 mm stud, anyway that's what I've been torquing mine to without any issues.
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post Dec 18 2017, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(breekachu @ Dec 18 2017, 03:56 PM)
Thank you  for the info.

Just  change my tyre to continental cc6. Very very low noise. Engine sound more noticeable now laugh.gif

Before this using stock tyre. Drive 90kmj very noisy af. now 150 no noise laugh.gif
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Thanks for that info but I'm a long way from another set required. I replaced the stock Goodyear Ducaro 185/60-14 with Kinforest KF550 at 22,000 km, the Ducaro gripped very well wet or dry but I hated driving on them for some odd and mysterious reason, they certainly wore much quicker than I was happy about. The Kinforest are excellent and grip as well as the Ducaro wet or dry but seem slightly quieter and also in my opinion a vastly more comfortable tyre to drive with but that could be because I chose to change to a 175/65-14 profile, their wear rate is vastly improved over the Ducaro's too, so now I'm a happy driver but I sure like the sound of your lovely quiet CC6 and must file them into my memory bank. The downside is anything with a name brand in Australia carries a huge price burden, anything, not just tyres.

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post Dec 19 2017, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(breekachu @ Dec 19 2017, 02:56 AM)
Wow. Never heard kinforest tyre. Yes you must try  CC6 tyre. Very good tyre in terms of noise level. But the performance for CC6 still dont know how durable, since i just change this tyre. But in review, this tyre perform well.

Btw CC6 thread wear 380. While silverstone m3 (stock tyre) thread wear 270. Many people said the higher the thread wear, more noise it will make. But not for CC6.

My mom always angry at me when i drive 90kmj even 80kmj because the sound of the tyre make it feel i drive the car faster. Just now i try 140kmj. Now my mom are happy because shes think i drive slow laugh.gif
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Made in China, http://www.kinforesttyre.com/product_Kinfo..._language_en-US
I couldn't find any poor reviews when I was looking into buying, so their price was a winner for me, bear in mind unlike most Aussies I'm not beholden to brand labels so I think I've been a winner here, it's a whole different story for you lucky Malaysians who gain by not being tucked away in a hidden corner of the world.

I'm 60 y/o, I don't have to concern myself too much about my parents despite them still being amongst the living. My name here reflects upon my birthday as I was born the day the first Wankel test engine fired up, pretty silly choice really so I suppose I should change it.
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post Dec 26 2017, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(CoolGe123 @ Dec 26 2017, 08:26 PM)
Hi guys, May i know what led bulb is compatible saga blm or saga fl 3rd brake light. Because i buy the led bulb and install on 3rd brake light but no bright. Help me.
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I'll take a photo of mine tomorrow but I'd be fairly sure there's a technical difference between BLM and FLX, since I have an FLX I know that the system relies on current flow to ground trrough the filament in old fashioned Edison era lamps to avoid triggering a warning on the dash. In my case I've avoided that by soldering a resistor (1k2?) across the contacts, that allows enough current flow to avoid a warning, from memory a 1k5 resistor was marginal and sometimes didn't flow enough current to avoid the warning. Anyway I'll take a photo tomorrow of my job, you will need a real bright LED to make it worthwhile, and that usually means a bit of shopping around, I'd say if you can find a canbus lamp you should be right but they weren't as commonly available back when I did mine.
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post Dec 27 2017, 05:17 AM

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The sun is up so I've taken a couple of shots of my 3rd brake lamp.Attached Image
My memory wasn't up to speed last night, originally I had used a 1k2 resistor but that value was marginal so I replaced it with a 1k one that's under the green heatshrink in this piccie.
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Looking at it now I may shop for something brighter but it is bright enough to be serviceable.

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post Dec 30 2017, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(Zaszo @ Dec 30 2017, 02:19 PM)
is cvt oil same with transmission oil ?

what is the current price for cvt oil.change at proton service center ?
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Negative, you need a fluid that's rated EZL799 or EZL799A, if you use a normal ATF then imminent destruction of your CVT will result.
Reason being is that CVTs rely on metal to metal friction, whereas other transmissions try to avoid metal to metal friction, using anything other than approved EZL799 fluid will result in ruinous slippage betwixt belt and pulley followed by a trail of tears by the owner.
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post Jan 2 2018, 02:04 PM

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I'd be taking my business elsewhere, the attitude along with coincidence of your failure smacks of incompetence and cover up. Imagine if you will that for whatever reason they unplugged the fan, say to remove the radiator to make flushing the coolant a simpler job, then forgot to reconnect the fan, oh dear let's make up a story.
Examples abound of similar things. Since cars here began having ECUs some time ago, because they're expensive and beyond the grasp of mechanics they automatically diagnose ECU failure despite them in reality being quite reliable, after changing them and noting it made no difference mechanics would then scramble to find the real cause, which of course would be kept as their little secret while still charging for an unneeded ECU. I have very little trust I'm afraid.
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post Jan 5 2018, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(scarlion @ Jan 5 2018, 03:15 PM)
u did it in proton sc or outside workshop? confused.gif

quite alot of ppl suggested me that only change cvt fluid is enough, and only need to change cvt filter when mileage reach 60k km...hmm hmm.gif

anyway thanks for the info  rclxms.gif
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I'm not going to change the filter when I eventually change Daisy's fluid, I'd be amazed if there was any need to before 100k km, or even 150k km. In the fairly near future I'll get serious about finding some EZL799 fluid to use, something which to date is nearly as hard to find in Australia as rocking horse poo, which of course is hard to reason due to the number of CVT transmissions now in service, many of which take the same spec oil as ours.
But then again 20W-50 oil is still very commonly available here despite no engines in the world being designed to use that treacle since the days of the Model T Ford.
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post Jan 9 2018, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(eqmal197 @ Jan 9 2018, 03:16 PM)
Hi

Update of my car after 75k mileage

- car shaking like cement mixer. Suspect mounting kaput. Change already total cost of rm680
- bonet panel (one that above number plate) bracket broken. Panel went off each time close bonnet. Change already total cost of rm60 without paint

That's all. Tq
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Which engine mount? they seem to be a failure item with all cars these days, which may be as a result of them becoming very sophisticated some years ago. I wonder if anyone here has tried bunging them up with urethane and could advise if it's worth the effort.
A photo of the broken bonnet support panel could help to clear the puzzled thoughts in my mind.
Daisy has as yet only covered <24k km with the only Proton issues being two of the circular dash vents have failed and the door switches need modifying from their not quite good enough setup.
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post Jan 15 2018, 02:19 PM

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Timing belt is critical because if it fails a lot of expensive engine damage occurs, so don't defer that at all, the serpentine fead belt isn't quite as critical, although its failure will quickly lead to overheating, however since it also runs the alternator a check light should show up instantly upon failure.
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post Jan 17 2018, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(smas @ Jan 17 2018, 07:44 PM)


2. Car started to shake. I changed my absorber at about 140,000KM and been running super stable and no shaking. Bumped into a hole lately and car start shaking when its idle, no issue when its running. Workshop say absorber still fine. What could be the root cause?



Appreciate if anyone can help/advise. Thanks smile.gif
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For this I'd be suspicious about an engine mount rubber shearing, not a simple thing to detect but you're flexible and have good eyesight you may be able to check them.

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post Jan 20 2018, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(naveenkalai7 @ Jan 19 2018, 08:00 PM)
hi, what is the wiper size for saga flx? left and right..
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RH is 55 cm long and LH is 42, both use the common u type fitting. I changed mine early on to the simpler new type they market here as premium with a price tag to match, despite being simpler and I suspect cheaper to make, but the reason for using them is the sweet lack of noise they make under operation. I also opted for a slightly shorter RH driver's side one since it has no need to be so long and it may also reduce load a fraction on the motor.


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