LOL, WHAT U EXPECT

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THOSE WHO GOT MASTER WILL SAID IT IS GOOD

THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE MASTER WILL SAID IT IS USELESS

but UUM recently got AACSB. full page advertorial with huge face of the VC. cant be that bad?

its not the cert that counts but the knowledge that you can apply to your work.

i hate to say this to your face but you are exactly the reason why HR gets a shitty reputation: just what exactly do you mean that "the rest doesn't matter"? just because you guys do not bother about university rankings nor have the degrees that your candidates possess, doesn't make it right to denounce these as "doesn't matter". It is laughable that you grouped Zimbabwean degrees on par with our great Malaysian degrees.

Look, I say it doesn't matter because I judge your working experience (for those experienced one) and communication skills (for fresh grad). Like it or not im not doing this out of my own whim, its the employer's guidance, i'm supposed to hire a capable person for the job, im not supposed to hire the degree for the job. The employer would usually just specify what qualification is needed for a particular post, for example job a, need this and this degree, job b need MBA min for example, they did not mention it needs to be from which particular uni. Then they would mention the criteria/characteristic of the person they want to hire, this would be a more detailed and comprehensive list...so I just have to make sure you meet the paper requirements as per the guideline and the rest is to determine if you fit the criterias/characterictics required/

If your degree is from a really good university, but from your past experience, I see that you can't hold a job for long...I won't hire you, i'd rather hire someone with a degree from a shitty university but has a proven track record at Work.

Similarly, if you come from a top university, but during interview you only know how to give scripted answers for standard questions but can't answer questions that you are not prepared for on the fly, i'd rather hire someone from a third rate uni that can do that, because those are the skills the job requires, not the degree.

Assuming that both person from the good and shitty uni both have good previous employment record and for fresh grad both can communicate and present themselves equally well, then the next criteria is how much you are asking for, if the person from shitty uni is asking for rm500 lesser, i'd hire him instead. But lets say asking salary both are the same...only at this point i would look back at the degree and hire the one with the so called better degree. (reality hurts but we do have to keep our costs down and productivity up, when you start working you will realise this is the global trend right now)

your degree is not going to do the work...you are. Your university ranking is not gonna make money for the company, the quality and quantity of your work is what makes money for the company.

So don't assume just because you have a good degree people will hire you automatically, like I said the degree doesn't get the job done, the person does. So its good that you have a good degree, but if you think that guarantees you a job, without you putting the extra effort, commitment and hard work like everyone else, then you're daydreaming.

Scorptim is right.

To employers, university ranking doesnt matter.

Most important is professional experience.

Even for fresh graduates, questions will be asked about your relevant achievements during internship.

The paper qualification doesnt matter much to me.

I'd hire a 24 yr old SPM graduate with 4 years experience in McD/KFC, reaching level of Branch Manager, and pay him a higher salary compared to a fresh uni grad (any uni), anytime.

Thats because I know that the SPM grad has slogged through hell, working on weekends and public holidays, manage to satisfy millions of customers and make money for the company. Yes, this would be my employee of choice.

Scorptim is right on all points here. I hire people, not degrees.

Many candidates sit in front of me thinking that their degree will represent them in toto. They can't be more wrong!

No amount of MBA or even DBA will help when the candidate has poor track record, poor interpersonal/communication skills, little or no achievements or a royal jobhopper.

IMHO the point of an MBA is to find out what you really want out of life. As a paper qualification, it is worthless for a fresh grad and they would typically struggle if they did it soon after their first degree. For an experienced worker with a few years under their belt, then it has the aforementioned value. Most Malaysians typically don't invest in continuing education and are not widely read. And I don't mean paper qualifications here, but in life experiences and knowledge about the world. An MBA is one condensed shortcut to get that rounded knowledge to make oneself more self-aware and marketable. In that respect, I think any MBA, even from a local university will serve that function.

IMHO an MBA from any university is useless and pointless and serves more as office decoration. If one is really so hardup to improve himself I suggest he go take a course from the Bill Gates, Warren Buffetts, Vincent Tans, Lim Goh Tongs. Oh they're not giving any courses? Fret not, just join them, absorb knowledge and work your way up.

hmm, it depends

thats why i recommend take TECHNICAL Msc (master of science) degree like I.T instead of general MBA

Master degree will be useful in certain job sectors ONLY , NOT ALL

But i can guarantee that if you HAVE MASTER DEGREE(GOOD UNI) AND argue with colleague over work matters, they dont dare to bully you or talk big in front of you...FROM MY PAST EXPERIENCE!

ipohmali70 scorptim Starbucki Chisinlouz

This post has been edited by KimiLau: Sep 1 2016, 12:54 AM

DUPLICATE

This post has been edited by KimiLau: Sep 1 2016, 12:56 AM

the best MBA is Mac Book Air

+1 to you mate. what you said gave me a new perspective about the process of hiring candidates. thanks mate.

I understand where you are coming from but I'm not talking about that piece of paper: I was referring more the process of getting there. Some people just pay money for people to write their thesis for them and other stuff like that thinking that piece of paper means something like more money. I agree that's really pointless. OTOH I won't deny it might help *some* people see things differently from their day to day jobs.

Dah cakap brp kali,

Is not the cert, it's the student,

Attitude macam pantat, malas macam pundek,

Masuk Harvard Ke, Cambridge Ke, kluar pun sampah

Thumbs up, one of the more reasonable comments here

this is another anecdote showing where HR should really have more critical thinking and really add value to their work rather than pulling in all other factors to avoid answering the question.

The question is: if we are holding aptitude and experience constant, would you still say a Zimbabwean degree is equivalent to a UM (not ivy league in your books) degree?

I answered that already right, if aptitude and experience constant, next goes to what salary ur asking, if both the same, then i'd look at the better degree...

Are you working for a chinaman company, or an MNC run by a chinaman?

neither, american MNC...obviously you're too oblivious to the fact that mnc accross the world are cost cutting now...if i can get a cheaper candidate that has equal experience and aptitute, why should i hire the more expensive one? Give me a reason pls...