It depends on what race u are on.. SM and chaos cannot be detech easily at tier1 and tier2 so they prefer rush to tier2 and tier3.. for orks.. u need something that can hold ur banners otherwise it is GG.. Some of the pro players still prefer abit tier1 fight and more tier2 fight.. both struggling of bad econ and end up both of them get tier3 slower.. Fast teching isnt a big problem if the power differences of each tier units isnt that much.. Now the case is, tier2 > everything tier1. Tier3 > everything Tier2.. Tier4 > everything tier3.. basically u dont need mass tacs marines to win a game.. spamming higher tier units like obliterator, PSM, Predator will win the game easily. For SM is GK,Dynamic Trio, WW, Termies, LR. So i would say this is a bad idea, let see how Relic balance out the units for each tier in next patch

This post has been edited by johnnycp: Jan 29 2007, 12:50 AM

I play IG because i like them.I watched lots of DAS_CAPN & StefanHaines replay.
They inspire me a lot.

I just won 2 consecutive auto game.Both of my opponents are orks.
If my opponent is SM, i usually last for 20 min bfore i lost.
If Tau & Necron, i dont stand a chance.gg in less than 7 min.

This post has been edited by RtP|DEV: Jan 29 2007, 01:05 AM

Tired of Imba and bugs of Relic? Wish u can relive the days of DOW where its balance?

Have no fear DOWPRO here..

DOWPRO is a mod where the complexity of the Vanila DOW mix with essences of WA/ DC(comming soon). for a well balance RTS.

Anyway you are free to join me on playing COH..

Darklight and Equilibrium you guys gonna join the 2nd tourney?? King Kong is waiting...

Anyway King Kong inform me that he only receive 13 application so far so guys hurry and register. The Inqusistor is lossing his patients.

Btw King Kong Ravana said he already send a email and you didnt reply back yet.

13 application ONLY??? That's too few la.. Looks like there are no people care for DOW in Autum Breeze compare to FTZ

Remember, there is no such thing as absolute balance, only certain degrees of imba.

How about mirror match?

I dont see any problem with the game... actually it goes according to the design.

You fight in tier one -> Win
You econ >> him in Tier 2
At the long stalement he tier to Tier 4 and come out imba unit then u crushed him because you had the massive econ -> You win

In fact you just showed him the fact about high level play -- hard tech = death

But yes... this bugger style of play is boring... thats why even with 220 games he is still not even 1400+. No, he is not a high level player, he plays it just like a MMO grinder.


See? Even noobs like me can go 1400+ with just 67 games


@Redeye
No, DOW pro wont work, seriously. because there is no official ladder for scores, so no ego involved.

Yes yes, lets hope the patch will slow down the tech speed a bit.

This post has been edited by Waba: Jan 29 2007, 01:48 AM

Then the imbaness issue will pass on to the player, which you guys say imba players, then there is also the issue of map design, PC hardware etc.

13 registration... seriously though, the location itself could be a real problem.
No car = no match for most people. Going there itself is like a pilgrim.

well... de thing is still on rite.... so wat time r we going 2 meet up guys??

Well i would suggest 8am-8.30am . cos it a long drive there.

This post has been edited by redeye84: Jan 29 2007, 02:03 AM

nuu redeye u missed out me =P
i may join u guys to klang if its ok =D
is it an hour drive or so?


This post has been edited by scrubiee: Jan 29 2007, 03:57 AM

Sure why not we got plenty of empty seats.

Yeah close to it considering the traffic..

Oh btw Waba did raise a point when 1 vs 1 him just now.

When iam gone who gonna pick up johnny?? Hunt? Soul?

This post has been edited by redeye84: Jan 29 2007, 04:25 AM

Let's just hope so.


Ah.... we have another IG player. Indeed, both of them are IG pro, but I guess you wont find StefanHaines replay anymore. I would suggest you watch all das_capn replays, especially those that are not posted by himself. (from what I heard he's quite an ego poster which only post the replay he won)


Nah... I will never commit myself to mod. It's just a waste of time as certainly there wont be any competition build upon it, at least not the official one.

CoH ?? Spare me from it please. I hate its multiplayer gameplay, slow like snail. I be bored to dead before the sniper walk to the base of my opponent.

Equi said he's not joining. No time to practise for him though.


But I'm not talking imba here. Am discussing on the speed of teching.


Thanks waba. At least I feel a bit comfortable with your comments now and I guess what you said is true, this guy is no where to high level play after all. The teching speed is really an issue, there's even a poll in dowsanc which started by xerxes asking opinion of nerfing the speed of tech, and more than 60% vote go to "yes, please slow down tech speed". Hope to meet up with 1400 ~ 1500 players this week which give me confidence on this game again. Get bored of pawning noobs. Remind me of the 1300+ necron I beat few days ago. So, what johnny said is true, at 1300 you still can find 1300 noob.

LOL you noob ?? Then what are we ?? Me worse, 30 games can get 1300 liao LOL, lagi noob. Let's see if I could hit 1400 by this week.

After this tourney or when my chaos account reach the top100, I think I will change race, am really seriously considering it. Reason is, I started to believe on what Servant said, Tau, Chaos and Eldar are really no skill race. Follow the strat, and it's just a free win button. I might switch to those races that suffered since DC like IG, SM or Orks. But it will depends on how's the next patch going, though.

Btw, waba, you have any comment for me on the replay ??

I would say it comes back to the understanding of the player towards their race which be the winning factor. Like the latest F2F, foree vs servant, servant lost in SM mirror.


Indeed and I think I mentioned earlier in my posts that the location is killing those without rhino.


On or not, that will depends on our inquisitor.

Hmm... this, gotta discuss though.

This post has been edited by TheNameX: Jan 29 2007, 09:12 AM

i got his email, just checked it today.

there are now 21 players, short of 11 to make it a full 32.

I dont understand why your CL go CC the Cadre HQ instead of TC instead, you cant be seriouly thinking of taking down the place with an axe

Issue on TC: note that TC dont have the "fall and pok kai on the ground animation" he will just fall back and "semi-kneel" when he is suppose to fall. By this time all targeting on him will be lost so Heroes like BM need to constantly keep an eye on him for due to attack animation targeting will lost from time to time. Now the good news, without jump jet and snare trap even BM owns TC.

Yeah hopefully next time its a more stretegic location.

Yeah sould we go down for bak kut teh 1st b4 our game?
Food For Thought.

This post has been edited by fujkenasai: Jan 29 2007, 10:24 AM

Yea... the thing that I dont like about DoW is that, whenever your unit target fall due to AOE animation, their target is refresh. It really take extra micro just to re-aim the target again. Not just the cadre HQ, same goes when I ordered my CL to take down the builder, I have to reissue the order like 3 times to the CL to take down that builder. Cant they just code it so that they will chase the target to death before they refresh the target ??

Any other things else ??

Nothing much.

From time to time I do ask myself why keep playing DOW when tonnes of other games keep pouring in. Well I found...

1) Despite all the bugs and Imbas, it is really a game of its own
2) I love the 40k settings, great FX and graphics
3) I need a game which play fast (no time!) and intense.
4) The game need to be really secure (ever heard of DOW hacks?)
5) Ladder must be there (for ego)
6) Some real skill (skill and understanding, not apm >> all) is needed in high level play, the prospect of tourneys adds more appeal to it though not really necessary
7) Reality Imbas >>>> DOW imbas, and they are fixing it anyway

And there u have it, why i play DOW

imba players are indeed about the players with deep knownlege about the game.