I know the best engine oil is fully synthetic engine oil . But , it's too expensive . I wanna try good semi synthetic oil . Which is good ? 20w40 ? 20w50 ? 10w30 ? my car is old proton saga . I need to drive the car long distance ( from kl to johor) , so i need to maintain the car in good condition) .

10w40 eni/agip awesome semi-synth

Your engine oil budget?

Mine settle with tesco offer, usually fully synthetic 5w-40 shell helix at rm139.

Got also Total brand, similar price.

around rm 100

Tesco semi synthetic 10w40 4litres is selling for less than rm60 atm. Fully synthetic less than rm100. Tesco Semi synthetic should easily last for at least 6000km before oil change is needed.

so 10w40 is the best semi-synthetic oil ? i would prefer more good brands rather than "Tesco" . Any suggestion?
My uncle told me that he just changed Hi-Rev 7240 10w40 for his car which cost thim rm100 . Is it worth ? Is the oil good ?

the lower the number , the higher is the quality of the oil ?

no..... thats not how it works.... to go into the details, there is a thread all about oils (i think its pinned)

and just be careful, many 'fake' oils out there~

*also, tesco oil is said to be pretty decent, its a saga, not one of those highly strung engines, not necessary to use those extremely good oils for it*

No. 10w40 is not the best semi synthetic. When using non fully synthetic oil, you will want lower viscosity range, for example 15w40. Reason being the higher the rage, the more additive VI are added.

Anyway, I can't comment on hi Rev. Never use that. When come to semi synthetic I do recommend aisin 10w30 but I believe saga need something more than 30.

the number in front or behind represent the viscosity number ? i read the pinned post , but dont really understand ...

Before this i use petronas syntium but recently change to aeon fully synthetic.

Quite lighter when rev and engine a little bit quiet.

This post has been edited by magnesium: Aug 21 2016, 12:12 AM

Both numbers tell you the viscosity. To make things easier, and since we don't have feezing cold weather, we should look at the number at behind, for example 40 for your car.

It's not what you want but rather what the car manual said what the car should have. Totally different thing.

A super expensive oil that the car manual didn't say you can use can spell trouble.

dont use too thin oil for old 4 cylinder engine.newer&modern car oklah.

the lower the number behind the higher is the quality of the oil ?

Which engine oil you recommend?

Tesco's semi sync on offer at $60 is sufficient. For an old Saga, anything more is just a waste of money, it does absolutely nothing for the engine! Have been using this oil on my 10year old Myvi for years,hasn't missed a beat!

My old 2006 Myvi Just put Tesco fully & cerratec, oli change every 8 months for 12k km. Engine very smooth & can feel the power but only driving around 120-140kmh. Next 3 oil change without cerratec. If semi I prefer Magnatec

tesco fully synthetic around rm100 ? is tesco fully synthetic up to par with the other brand fully synthetic ?

what is the number of the oil ? 10w30 ?

aeon topvalu fully synthetic 5w40 i bought RM99 last time..
it was locally blended oil listed under API official licensee directory. you may ask "can trust or not? boleh pakai? will my engine kaboom?", well, it's up to you..
https://engineoil.api.org/Directory/EolcsRe...dName%3Dtopvalu

but i don't know if your engine condition still good enough (no oil leak, no oil consumption) to take fully synthetic and lower viscosity oil. If engine condition already bad and use those oil without rajin to check oil dipstick, you may end up with less engine oil and having risk of car breakdown on roadside...

Tesco brand is good enough if you are on budget.

If engine condition not that good, the car can't take fully synthetic or lower viscosity oil?

Expect oil leak occur on oil seal area, piston ring let more oil escape into combustion camber and burn together with air fuel mixture... What engine oil you have been using all this while? Any oil consumption or oil leak?

10w-30 oils are mostly full syn. Tesco semi syn is 10w-40.

I've been buying Engine Oil from Tesco mainly over 2 year.
Both my car now running with Mobil New Life 0w-40 bought when promo RM169.

No issue with it, in fact the engine runs fine & smoother.

If you have budget around RM149, plenty choices you can option to Shell,Total,Castrol & Penzoil brand.
Of course with promotion period.

Budget of rm100 can get you FS oil la if you're smart enough to find good deals! Just a month ago Jusco had promotion for Mitsubishi Eneos 5w40 FS oil for just rm99/4ltr! If you search in mudah, there are plenty of those oil selling around rm90+ only. If just want semi, should be able to get just around rm70 or less.

Not really, 10w30 is usually semi. 5w30 is mostly FS.

Eneos 5w30 (Eco Touring) - Made with synthetic blended base oil... is a semi synthetic oil?
http://www.eneos.my/us/introducing-eneos-motor-oil/

In the Eneos website, the 5w30 is fully synthetic oil
http://www.eneos.us/products/eneos-fully-s...il/eneos-5w-30/

Currently, I am looking for 5w30 oil for Mit Mirage, not sure the Mit SC is using 5w30 semi-synthetic or fully-synthetic

Eco Touring is a semi synthetic oil.

Thanks for your confirmation.

Just curious, mine Mit Mirage is 10,000 km interval service, semi synthetic oil can last 10k?

No confirmation on this unless you send your oil for UOA.
Some drivers believe their engine is just as well protected by mineral oil for 10K OCI, so ultimately it is your personal preference.

If the Mirage is multi port injection, 10k km is doable I suppose.
Though most would settle at 8k.

http://bobistheoilguy.com/putting-the-simp...into-viscosity/

http://www.castrol.com/en_gb/united-kingdo...sity.html\


This is confusing, i am not sure which type of oil is better ? 10w40 ? 20w50 ?
The front number represent the viscosity of the oil when it's cold , the number behind means the viscosity of oil when it's hot ?

Did you read your owner's manual? It tells you what oil viscosity (like the 10w30, 15w40, 20w50 grades you can use).

You got the second sentence right the first number stands for Winter, and the number behind represents the viscosity during operating temperature (hot). For more info, watch this, really good info on viscosity and synthetics vs mineral oil.



This post has been edited by LemonKnight: Aug 22 2016, 01:52 PM

I don't hv the owner manual..... I am not the direct owner of the car....

Thanks mayalab & zeng.

Will do a last service at Mit SC (70k km) this week and look for other cheaper service centre in the next service.

Just go for 10w40. If no oil loss then keep using. Otherwise, go for 20w50 on next oil change. Just make sure you are not getting fake/recycle oil. Get from hypermarket or petrol station if you are not sure.

OK， Do you mean if the engine gt 'consume oil', then go for cheaper 20w50?

a)From the link I provided above:

http://bobistheoilguy.com/putting-the-simp...into-viscosity/

b)The grades denoted with the letter “W” are intended for use in applications operating in low-temperature conditions , i.e the SAE requirements are as follows :-
0W for -40*C ambients engine starting;
5W for -35*C ambients engine starting;
10W for -30*C ambients engine starting;
15W for -25*C ambients engine starting;
20W for -20*C ambients engine starting;
25W for -15*C ambients engine starting;

c)In Malaysia, typical coldest temperature we encounter is 24*C or thereabout .
Therefore according to SAE, Malaysians don't need multigrade engines oils with ALL the cold temperature ratings of 0W;5W;10W;15W;20W and 25W.

d)Can we use xW then ?
Sure , we can.
Is it necessary ? No, it's not necessary.
We don't benefit from it's intended use of starting engine at ambients of -40*C to -15*C as our lowest ambient temperature is around 24*C in the early hours of the day.
Hence, according to SAE we require only monogrades, not multigrades.

e)On monogrades SAE 20 to SAE 60....., my rule of thumb on minimum engine starting cold temperatures are :
-10*C and above for SAE 20;
0*C and above for SAE 30;
10*C and above for SAE 40;
20*C and above for SAE 50 and
30*C and above for SAE 60.

f)Since our lowest ambient is 24*C (and basing on my rule of thumb above) , monograde SAE 50 would be the thickest grade allowable for engine starting in the early hours of the day.
Can we carry out engine starting here for SAE 20; 30 and 40, besides SAE 50 ?
........ Refer to (d) above.

g)So much for engine starting for 'cold' temperature regimes that is regulated by SAE/API.

h)Now, what oil viscosity grade OP should use in his Proton Saga ?
This ....... is none of the business of SAE/API!
OEM's calls the shot here.

IIRC for 4G13 and 4G15 engines , Proton(Mitsubishi) recommends from 10W30 ...... 10W40 ...... 15W40 ...... and 20W50.
I would see if I can provide a link ...............
JMHO

Edit:OP, does your engine come with carburretor or fuel injection system?

This post has been edited by zeng: Aug 23 2016, 02:43 PM

I use petronas fully RM2xx, but I change it every 6 months.

Whoa, rich man! You drive a lot, do you?

engine sure gt these 2 components , right ? Btw , Thanks for the info above

Yes. Cheap Mineral oil is definitely thicker and 20W50 is said good to aged engine if oil loss happened. Always go for semi or fully synthetic if no problem with the engine.

No, it's either or.
An engine with carburretter fuel system , doesn't have (electronic) fuel injection system ...... and vice versa.

i think it's carburretter fuel system ..It's saga . So , i dont expect the proton adopt electronic system which is more advanced..

do you mean if the engine gt oil leak , then the engine cant take lower viscosity 10w40 anymore?

Here is a link on Shell Helix Ultra 5W40 fullsyn UOA by a fellow Malaysian on an USA oils forum.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbth...opics/3986194/1

Turbo engine.. drive mostly highway round trip.
I planned to use semi synthetic now.. jimat sikit.

Woah! didn't expected that we have others who actually do UOA

he a LYN poster as well? i'll pin it up on the first page of my thread and wish to tag/credit/shoutout to him as well

Ya but you're also using rm200+ oil while there are plenty of much cheaper FS oil.

If you observe proton subforum, there are iriz owners using petronas syn7000 fully synthetic oil at proton SC, around RM250~270 if not mistaken.

i would recommend fosser, i serviced my 5yo persona at auto marque near kelana jaya. cost me rm130 (labor+filter+oil), manage to reduce my fc from 8.4L/100km to 7.8L/100km (mainly due engine), I can feel my engine rev lesser than normal. so i consider a win for me. already used it around 4000km.

+1 , concur with therain01 in your context.

I abandoned Petronas Mach 5 SF/CC SAE 40 for Petronas Mach 5 SM/ACEA A3-B3 15W40 ..... as my Wira carburretor engine requires SG.

For the same price,I later upgraded the specs to minerals Urania Supremo CI-4/ A3B4/SL 15W40 (which basically is a Heavy Duty Engine Oil for diesel engines) till todate.

Now semi synthetics SL/A3B4 10W40 can be had during promo , at lower price than CI4/SL/A3B4 and begins to flow into the other multi-port injection Avanza.

I'd no success in securing locally a 20W50 with A3B4 specs ...... and don't have a need for it ..... as all 3 engnes are not leaking oils.

Since yours is a carburretor engine, I would recommend a mineral A3B4 15W40; or a semisyn A3B4 10W40.
If you so wish,and have budget for a fully synthetics 0/5W-40 A3B4, why not?

Just my 2 sen.

This post has been edited by zeng: Aug 23 2016, 02:31 PM

Wah so many rich people apparently!

Last time we see petronas fully synthetic rm200 already say it's super expensive.... Now rm270 still got people support... Future selling rm350 also no problem... As long got AMG Hamilton image sure bagus can support one.

Just wondering petronas lubricant so good? I thought other brand from overseas are local better than this local brand?

Just how many of you do UOA here, so far i only knew you n now plus him

He is on this forum as well, on saga thread

I think people feel good using it might be partially due to their marketing prowess, but this is strictly my opinion

I think their PCMO are very expensive but then their heavy duty oil suited for gasoline engines is quite a bargain, I would use it on my old car

there are other lube brands that can be better, but people arent aware of their existence, probably due to lesser marketing budget n lack of distribution channel

Eh Albert? Or someone else? What username specifically?

alcyon, i guess should be him

Eh somehow no impression of that guy. Let me look it up. Thanks

Foreigners are thirsting for Petronas Syntium 7000!
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbth...z_A#Post4178404

Yep, I'm here. Zeng, thanks for the notification, i have not been on BITOG for quite some time, and here as well. too many hobbies.

This post has been edited by alcyon: Sep 26 2016, 05:48 PM

Would have expected no less for someone doing UOA on an Iswara

I featured your report in my pinned thread as well btw

I am iriz owner that using syntium 7000.previously using shell helix ultra. Found syntium 7000 perform better.

Hi Alcyon,
there is another fellow Malaysian newly onboard Bitog yesterday.....
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthread...ion#Post4211084

I am now trying PENNZOIL SAE 30 straight weight made in USA, bought from ACE hardware, and its really good. Its a group II mineral oil, very good reviews on BITOG.

Does this Pennzoil SAE 30 comes with ACEA A3/B4 specs ?
If yes, I would give it a try in mine ......as I believe a VII-free monograde is the way to go here.
Our weather doesn't really require multigrades ....
as it shears in engine operation depending on quality of Viscosity Index Improvers in use ......thus loosing viscosity,
no wonder my Wira 4G15 on 10W30 was consuming engine oils in those good old days.

This post has been edited by zeng: Sep 27 2016, 12:03 PM

No, its only API SN, but i believe you dont need ACEA A3/B4. ACEA A3/B4 is basically setting HTHS min as 3.5, and TBN of 10 and above.It has a HTHS of 3.55 which is very good, and as you said no VII. The fuel economy does take a bit of a hit, but if it protects my engine better, why not ? i estimate the TBN is somewhere around 8 (based on other PYB)which is good enough for 10000km run. Besides, the higher the TBN, the lower the lubricity.
Already run 3000km with it so far and now only starting to darken. I will send UOA sample when the time comes. There are older stocks in ACE hardware with the black label of this oil, which is API SJ i think, that means prolly has higher zinc and phosphorous. You only need 3 1/2 bottles.
Now getting about 450km per tank of RON 95 with mixed 50/50 city highway driving. I also find this oil cools the engine very well, as seen by my oil temp and pressure gauges.

This post has been edited by alcyon: Sep 27 2016, 12:40 PM

Is it?
Against which brand of xW40?


Not sure if I understand your point here. Care to elaborate further?


That's very interesting.
Mind sharing the comparative readings on oil temp and pressures.

This post has been edited by zeng: Sep 29 2016, 03:48 PM

Interesting link and info bro :thumbsup:

If you don't mind, do help contribute on my thread (which I've featured your previous UOA as well) here as well please
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3310512

Zeng, that was discussed on BITOG about the TBN. I will try to find the link for you.
The FE is compared against shell helix ultra, i can easily get 500km per tank or close to it with SHU 5W-40, so i suspect most of the higher fuel consumption on SAE30 is from startup viscosity. lets continue talking on the other thread as Quaza suggested.

This post has been edited by alcyon: Sep 29 2016, 05:09 PM

I'm getting 420-440 km on 15W40 A3B4 in carb' 4G15 ....... sigh..

Edit: It's HDEO diesel oil

This post has been edited by zeng: Sep 29 2016, 08:04 PM

Not so bad at all actually. Try the SAE30 next time.

Just got free Petronas 800 Synthetic blend or semi Synthetic oil free after playing 1 games at petronas booth, Klcc.

It is good or ok oil?

10w-40

You wont go wrong with PETRONAS oil, especially semi synthetic and onwards. Dapat free, pakai jer . If its Platinum oil, HARDEX, MAZ LUB, Jetron then i'd be worried.

Wah, Petronas so good? Never thought that local brand could be so good... Haha

Hi delsoo. If you have read the links zeng posted, you would see petronas oil is well respected worldwide. You must understand Petronas isnt a 2 bit local company. They partner with world class blenders and hire some of the worlds best engineers..etc.
The only malaysian companies that i have no confidence in are..mazlub, jtx,hardex,platinum oil..jetron..you know what i mean..

LOL, I have never heard the company that you mentioned.... Mazlab, Jetron.....

LOL, I have never heard the company that you mentioned.... Mazlab, Jetron.....

how about hyrax ? , its good you haven't heard of them.

What's wrong with Hyrax? Like Petronas, they have API certification.

No, I know only total, hi-rev, Castrol only.... I used Castrol 20-50 for my saga. I used hi-rev 10-40 for my old Honda city...

currently using valvoline on rb20det.. very nice but not cheap.

For a company like hyrax to claim that they make such good oils...they must really know their stuff right ? How is it possible on their top of the line 0w30 to have both ilsac gf5 and acea a3/b4 ? Either they dont know much about oils..mislabel..or downright lying.
So if they are cheating about these specs..what else are they cheating on ? API cert is one thing..but what if yr engine requires other cert ..and they claim it meets those specs but does not actually meet or exceed those specs..then how ?

well to my surprise lol
https://engineoil.api.org/Directory/EolcsRe...andName%3Dhyrax

So it is GF-5, that means cant be ACEA A3/B4. then they shouldn't display that on the label. API specs are pretty easy to pass.

Hi alcyon,

What about Bosch X7, Bardahl MXP, BHP SynGard, Lexus, Mitsubishi or even Tesco brands?

Mind sharing the link zeng posted?

I have tried BHP Syngard, nothing much to say about it, did not do a UOA, and i will probably not try it again and and have no incentive to do so.
BOSCH, Bardahl should be good oils, again , never tried them. Lexus , I dont know. Mitsubishi i heard is packaged by ENEOS and the full syn can be had for RM99 on sale at AEON. seems like a good buy , but the shear stability might not be up to par with Shell. Its a 5W-40, so if the shear stability isnt good might go down to a 30. Only way to know is do a UOA. May try it in the future but as I have already tried CASTROL 0W-40 and Shell 5W-40 and results are almost the same so I see no point in trying a other brand 5W-40, its probably not gonna do any better.
I am trying a 30 monograde now, just to study the effects of oil with VII and one without.

Bardhal 15w-40 Semi Synthetic - RM 85
Bardhal 0w-40 Fully Synthetic - RM 120

If I am not mistaken.

Anyone come across http://www.aveno-oil.de/en/passenger-car-e...-synthetic.html ?

Thanks a lot for sharing. Keep up the effort.

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