Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 JPA Scholars breaking bond, Advise for best friend

views
     
TSfarkingdom
post Aug 20 2016, 06:52 AM, updated 10y ago

On my way
****
Junior Member
594 posts

Joined: Dec 2009


Hi all.

Many of JPA scholars seem to be breaking their bond by applying jobs themselves and started working. We finished our studies last month in July btw. One already started training in overseas by private company, another going to MNC to work, another busy looking for work.

So one of my best friend who is also JPA scholar saw this and he too applied for a company himself and got offered rm3k/month. Now he is wondering whether to proceed on like the rest, and I too am concern. I did advise him not to.

Will the government know these people are breaking bonds? They seem to think the system is flawed and went with a head start anyway. Did anyone of you JPA scholars get catch by government before?
exBlasTer
post Aug 20 2016, 06:59 AM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
77 posts

Joined: Jun 2011
Are you sure you cannot work at all? As far as I concern, you can go and apply for the work but when they call and ask you to report duty, you should be ready to resign from your current job, and most of the time almost immediately. Speaking from experience, most of my friends wait for almost 1 year for the call and some of them even get released by JPA because there was no vacancy after 1 year. If you ask the officer, some of them will say that you can work with other company but be smart. Dont let them know.
v1n0d
post Aug 20 2016, 07:06 AM

Another roof, another proof.
*******
Senior Member
3,197 posts

Joined: Mar 2007
From: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia


Better to start working first. The government is currently undergoing a massive cost cutting exercise and hiring for non-critical positions has been frozen until further notice. Just submit your job application through SPA and go find a job elsewhere for the time being. Once a whole year lapses you can write in to request your bond be excused.
TSfarkingdom
post Aug 20 2016, 07:07 AM

On my way
****
Junior Member
594 posts

Joined: Dec 2009


QUOTE(exBlasTer @ Aug 20 2016, 06:59 AM)
Are you sure you cannot work at all? As far as I concern, you can go and apply for the work but when they call and ask you to report duty, you should be ready to resign from your current job, and most of the time almost immediately. Speaking from experience, most of my friends wait for almost 1 year for the call and some of them even get released by JPA because there was no vacancy after 1 year. If you ask the officer, some of them will say that you can work with other company but be smart. Dont let them know.
*
Oh okay thank you. Then I'll advise my friend to do so then. The MNC company did tie one of my friend into a contract of one year with the company.


TSfarkingdom
post Aug 20 2016, 07:09 AM

On my way
****
Junior Member
594 posts

Joined: Dec 2009


QUOTE(v1n0d @ Aug 20 2016, 07:06 AM)
Better to start working first. The government is currently undergoing a massive cost cutting exercise and hiring for non-critical positions has been frozen until further notice. Just submit your job application through SPA and go find a job elsewhere for the time being. Once a whole year lapses you can write in to request your bond be excused.
*
Okay thanks. That's what they thought as well. Anyway I'll advise my friend to proceed with the job offer then.
limeuu
post Aug 20 2016, 08:11 AM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,292 posts

Joined: Aug 2006


for non critical courses, it is common for the gov to fail to offer a job to scholars...and if they don't/cannot give you a job after 6 months, you can apply for release from the bond....and will get it...
TSfarkingdom
post Aug 20 2016, 08:29 AM

On my way
****
Junior Member
594 posts

Joined: Dec 2009


QUOTE(limeuu @ Aug 20 2016, 08:11 AM)
for non critical courses, it is common for the gov to fail to offer a job to scholars...and if they don't/cannot give you a job after 6 months, you can apply for release from the bond....and will get it...
*
It's engineering though.
limeuu
post Aug 20 2016, 09:49 AM

10k Club
********
All Stars
12,292 posts

Joined: Aug 2006


engineering is not a critical course...that refers to medicine/dentistry/pharmacy...many engineering scholars have been released...

jpa however, has never released any scholar in a critical course....although this may change, now that there are too many doctors....but unlikely...
exBlasTer
post Aug 20 2016, 04:11 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
77 posts

Joined: Jun 2011
yup. agree. engineering is not consider as critical course. most of my friends who did an engineering course released by JPA.
nexona88
post Aug 20 2016, 06:41 PM

The Royal Club Member
*********
All Stars
48,551 posts

Joined: Sep 2014
From: REality
Well can break first, later think..
Don't headache.. Be happy..
sonyfanzz
post Aug 22 2016, 11:33 PM

On my way
****
Senior Member
682 posts

Joined: Mar 2016


how to apply jpa now?I want to try my luck(my mum cant afford to send me to uni without full scholarship) smile.gif
feynman
post Aug 24 2016, 04:35 AM

Look at all my stars!!
Group Icon
Elite
4,781 posts

Joined: Dec 2004
QUOTE(farkingdom @ Aug 20 2016, 06:52 AM)
Hi all.

Many of JPA scholars seem to be breaking their bond by applying jobs themselves and started working. We finished our studies last month in July btw. One already started training in overseas by private company, another going to MNC to work, another busy looking for work.

So one of my best friend who is also JPA scholar saw this and he too applied for a company himself and got offered rm3k/month. Now he is wondering whether to proceed on like the rest, and I too am concern. I did advise him not to.

Will the government know these people are breaking bonds? They seem to think the system is flawed and went with a head start anyway. Did anyone of you JPA scholars get catch by government before?
*
Government knows.....government doesn't care

government doesn't want to absorb you into the civil service because:
it's running out of money
it doesn't want smart people showing how stupid the senior members of the civil service is, you have got a lot of unemployable IPTA graduates working in the civil service. So if you are an overseas graduate, very senang to show how incompetent the whole machinery is.

If you are able to find a job in the private sector, just go ahead and take it up. In fact I know a few who actually stayed abroad to work. Did not bother to lapor diri.......JPA also did not follow-up.


Stamp
post Aug 24 2016, 03:32 PM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,864 posts

Joined: Nov 2008


QUOTE(farkingdom @ Aug 20 2016, 06:52 AM)
Hi all.

Many of JPA scholars seem to be breaking their bond by applying jobs themselves and started working. We finished our studies last month in July btw. One already started training in overseas by private company, another going to MNC to work, another busy looking for work.

So one of my best friend who is also JPA scholar saw this and he too applied for a company himself and got offered rm3k/month. Now he is wondering whether to proceed on like the rest, and I too am concern. I did advise him not to.

Will the government know these people are breaking bonds? They seem to think the system is flawed and went with a head start anyway. Did anyone of you JPA scholars get catch by government before?
*
Technically, the JPA scholars do not break their bond if they decide to apply for jobs themselves.

Only when JPA call them to start working for JPA (or other companies as approved by JPA), and they refuse to abide by JPA call, then they are breaking their bond with JPA.

JPA can and will go after the scholars' guarantors if they break the bond without paying the penalty. JPA has so much experience dealing with these rogue JPA scholars, and one should not underestimate JPA's resolve to "handle" them.

Tell your friends.
everdomdom
post Sep 16 2016, 09:59 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
196 posts

Joined: Jul 2012
If your friend is working in malaysia, regardless of local or foreign company, your friend can join the star program from talent Corp. Which technically can 'transfer' the bond to the current company. Nowadays gov so poor and couldn't afford to add more positions.
PoisonedFire
post Mar 5 2017, 03:49 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
15 posts

Joined: May 2009
Hi guys

Do you know how to apply to release my bond? It is been 1 year since i registered in SPA.
1331nj
post Mar 13 2017, 03:50 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
13 posts

Joined: Apr 2016
QUOTE(everdomdom @ Sep 16 2016, 10:59 PM)
If your friend is working in malaysia, regardless of local or foreign company, your friend can join the star program from talent Corp. Which technically can 'transfer' the bond to the current company. Nowadays gov so poor and couldn't afford to add more positions.
*
This! They are getting stricter since a few years ago. I just graduated and haven't lapor diri yet, have to do it asap. mega_shok.gif

I might also ask for a release after 1 whole year icon_rolleyes.gif
cckkpr
post Mar 14 2017, 09:16 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,518 posts

Joined: Apr 2010
QUOTE(PoisonedFire @ Mar 5 2017, 03:49 PM)
Hi guys

Do you know how to apply to release my bond? It is been 1 year since i registered in SPA.
*
Just apply for a job and start working first. Dont sign any contract. In the current economic situation, you cannot afford to sit around.
smc9913
post Mar 14 2017, 03:02 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
46 posts

Joined: May 2007
can always work first, I know that some of the MNC outside is actually a partner with JPA and JPA would recognize those company as a place for their scholars to work.

You may want to check the JPA website for these.

PoisonedFire
post Mar 15 2017, 04:50 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
15 posts

Joined: May 2009
QUOTE(cckkpr @ Mar 14 2017, 09:16 AM)
Just apply for a job and start working first. Dont sign any contract. In the current economic situation, you cannot afford to sit around.
*
Im already working but jpa didnt call me for work. I want to know how to apply to release my bond...
cckkpr
post Mar 16 2017, 09:13 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,518 posts

Joined: Apr 2010
QUOTE(PoisonedFire @ Mar 15 2017, 04:50 PM)
Im already working but jpa didnt call me for work. I want to know how to apply to release my bond...
*
I will just continue working and not bother about the release letter. Understand that you use the scholarship and the obligation is there. Unless its absolutely necessary. If you are an enginner and if you insist on a release, they may just post you to the Statistics department and you will rot there for a number of years.
Coming The Freaking Soon
post Oct 31 2017, 10:14 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
1 posts

Joined: Oct 2017
Hey guys, did you guys heard about Scholarship Talent Attraction and Retention (STAR) program?
Here is the quick intro about STAR program:

The Scholarship Talent Attraction & Retention (STAR) initiative is a collaborative effort between the Public Service Department (JPA) and TalentCorp that allows JPA scholars to serve their government bond in the private sector as a way of contributing back to the nation.
https://star.talentcorp.com.my/

Will this force us to work in Malaysia? Any ideas about the consequence when we reject or didnt apply STAR? I am planing to work oversea instead of public or private company in Malaysia. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
cckkpr
post Nov 1 2017, 09:03 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,518 posts

Joined: Apr 2010
QUOTE(Coming The Freaking Soon @ Oct 31 2017, 10:14 PM)
Hey guys, did you guys heard about Scholarship Talent Attraction and Retention (STAR) program?
Here is the quick intro about STAR program:

The Scholarship Talent Attraction & Retention (STAR) initiative is a collaborative effort between the Public Service Department (JPA) and TalentCorp that allows JPA scholars to serve their government bond in the private sector as a way of contributing back to the nation.
https://star.talentcorp.com.my/

Will this force us to work in Malaysia? Any ideas about the consequence when we reject or didnt apply STAR? I am planing to work oversea instead of public or private company in Malaysia. rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
*
Gomen will not force you unless you INSIST you want to work with them. Even then, they will tell you that they will notify you if there is a vacancy...that's a big IF...
mffa
post Nov 2 2017, 10:25 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
374 posts

Joined: Nov 2008


QUOTE(PoisonedFire @ Mar 15 2017, 04:50 PM)
Im already working but jpa didnt call me for work. I want to know how to apply to release my bond...
*
A few of my cousin also under JPA and JPA has not provide jobs for few years ago already.

All of them cari sendiri jobs, majority has been release by JPA.


syirbiznatch
post Nov 5 2017, 03:10 AM

On my way
****
Senior Member
549 posts

Joined: Jan 2009


QUOTE(mffa @ Nov 2 2017, 10:25 PM)
A few of my cousin also under JPA and JPA has not provide jobs for few years ago already.

All of them cari sendiri jobs, majority has been release by JPA.
*
Yes its quite normal. You still need to go normal interview if you want to be hired as PTD for example (online exam, PAC assessment etc)
Aiden Lee
post Nov 22 2017, 02:34 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Aug 2017


Can I know, so if one did not apply for STAR will not not facing any serious consequences right? If we just apply for SPA only.
Username is for the weak
post Nov 22 2017, 03:04 PM

Casual
***
Junior Member
301 posts

Joined: Jan 2016


Well I don't know about your programmes but according to mine, I am only obliged to work in Malaysia, be it private or public sector

Maybe my batch got lucky
Buyalotforgaming
post Nov 23 2017, 09:10 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
503 posts

Joined: May 2011


Most, if not all of the JPA scholars that I know are forced to come back after their studies. But not all of them have to work or the Gov. Most go in to private sector.
zeng
post Nov 24 2017, 07:47 PM

Regular
******
Senior Member
1,810 posts

Joined: May 2008
QUOTE(Buyalotforgaming @ Nov 23 2017, 09:10 PM)
Most, if not all of the JPA scholars that I know are forced to come back after their studies. But not all of them have to work or the Gov. Most go in to private sector.
*
Does it include foreign-trained medicine and dentistry graduates when gomen is short of housemanship slots ?

This post has been edited by zeng: Nov 24 2017, 07:48 PM
Buyalotforgaming
post Nov 24 2017, 10:20 PM

On my way
****
Junior Member
503 posts

Joined: May 2011


QUOTE(zeng @ Nov 24 2017, 07:47 PM)
Does it include foreign-trained medicine and dentistry graduates when gomen is short of housemanship slots ?
*
Ahh apologies but that one I am not sure.
Exoflare
post Nov 26 2017, 12:19 AM

Enthusiast
*****
Junior Member
869 posts

Joined: Nov 2017


From our correspondence, I observe that TalentCorp is quite explicit about the fact that they don't search out employment for you as a scholar, and based on what I see, there really isn't a way in which you can be compelled to work somewhere because of the nature of the scholarship beyond their calling you for interviews for the five jobs that you are obligated to apply for in the public sector.

Essentially, if you're a scholar, >>read your contract properly to understand what you can or cannot do, and make sure that you have a logical justification for why you do what you do, and that you have a paper trail documentation of correspondences with your scholarship agency and every single relevant stakeholder in your scholarship contract. <<

This post has been edited by Exoflare: Nov 26 2017, 12:20 AM
Exoflare
post Nov 26 2017, 12:40 AM

Enthusiast
*****
Junior Member
869 posts

Joined: Nov 2017


QUOTE(Aiden Lee @ Nov 22 2017, 02:34 PM)
Can I know, so if one did not apply for STAR will not not facing any serious consequences right? If we just apply for SPA only.
*
Based on what I observe from my correspondences, you need to apply for STAR, which should not be a problem if you have successfully completed the reporting process with SPA - You actually need to complete the reporting process before you can apply for STAR, so yeah that's not going to be an issue.

On the other hand, you should not be fearful of STAR because that will provide you with a host of job opportunities, and you will not be *compelled* to take a job that you do not want in Malaysia in any scenario. Although STAR does not actively secure employment for scholars, TalentCorp has an incentive to ensure that you stay in Malaysia, has an incentive to ensure that you are gainfully employed, and will probably make you ask yourself at some point what will happen if you work with a company locally but are posted overseas, or would like to work on contract or start a company amongst other things because you recognise that certain skills that you possess from your training cannot be put into the market otherwise.

The latter part of this line of thinking is something that I am presently trying to investigate.

QUOTE(Username is for the weak @ Nov 22 2017, 03:04 PM)
Well I don't know about your programmes but according to mine, I am only obliged to work in Malaysia, be it private or public sector

Maybe my batch got lucky
*
Seems like it's the same deal for me. Are you JPA Ivy League dan Setara, or one of the bursary kids?

Username is for the weak
post Nov 26 2017, 04:19 AM

Casual
***
Junior Member
301 posts

Joined: Jan 2016


QUOTE(Exoflare @ Nov 26 2017, 12:40 AM)
Based on what I observe from my correspondences, you need to apply for STAR, which should not be a problem if you have successfully completed the reporting process with SPA - You actually need to complete the reporting process before you can apply for STAR, so yeah that's not going to be an issue.

On the other hand, you should not be fearful of STAR because that will provide you with a host of job opportunities, and you will not be *compelled* to take a job that you do not want in Malaysia in any scenario. Although STAR does not actively secure employment for scholars, TalentCorp has an incentive to ensure that you stay in Malaysia, has an incentive to ensure that you are gainfully employed, and will probably make you ask yourself at some point what will happen if you work with a company locally but are posted overseas, or would like to work on contract or start a company amongst other things because you recognise that certain skills that you possess from your training cannot be put into the market otherwise.

The latter part of this line of thinking is something that I am presently trying to investigate.
Seems like it's the same deal for me. Are you JPA Ivy League dan Setara, or one of the bursary kids?
*
Program khas engineering KJPJ
Im studying in germany now
Raja Putra
post Nov 27 2017, 08:41 AM

New Member
*
Junior Member
25 posts

Joined: Jul 2015
It is not a bad idea to make some money first while waiting for JPA
Stamp
post Nov 28 2017, 11:08 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,864 posts

Joined: Nov 2008


QUOTE(Raja Putra @ Nov 27 2017, 08:41 AM)
It is not a bad idea to make some money first while waiting for JPA
*
Pandai pun! biggrin.gif
dukalara
post Jan 19 2018, 01:27 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
3 posts

Joined: Jan 2018
Im currently served for the gvermnt but intended to resign...received this offer 3 years after graduated but not applied for contract release...course in engineering..is it okay to resign without need to pay back the fine?...
ticke
post Jan 19 2018, 04:17 PM

****E***y*u***i***@**
******
Senior Member
1,682 posts

Joined: Oct 2004
From: let there be rain

QUOTE(dukalara @ Jan 19 2018, 01:27 PM)
Im currently served for the gvermnt but intended to resign...received this offer 3 years after graduated but not applied for contract release...course in engineering..is it okay to resign without need to pay back the fine?...
*
can try appeal for early release.
dukalara
post Jan 19 2018, 05:49 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
3 posts

Joined: Jan 2018
QUOTE(ticke @ Jan 19 2018, 04:17 PM)
can try appeal for early release.
*


Youve done it? Or any of ur frens?
ticke
post Jan 19 2018, 06:40 PM

****E***y*u***i***@**
******
Senior Member
1,682 posts

Joined: Oct 2004
From: let there be rain

QUOTE(dukalara @ Jan 19 2018, 05:49 PM)
Youve done it? Or any of ur frens?
*
my colleague. managed to get it. must give proper reason tho.
dukalara
post Jan 19 2018, 07:00 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
3 posts

Joined: Jan 2018
QUOTE(ticke @ Jan 19 2018, 06:40 PM)
my colleague. managed to get it. must give proper reason tho.
*
Ouh...interesting, mind if i get more detail on it ? Or can i contact him/her?
amerazmi
post Jan 19 2018, 10:05 PM

New Member
*
Junior Member
27 posts

Joined: May 2017
This issue has been for decades because too many scholars are being sponsored by JPA in a particular time. Unlike other private/statutory bodies scholars, they are hired immediately after they complete their undergraduate studies.
ticke
post Jan 20 2018, 04:59 PM

****E***y*u***i***@**
******
Senior Member
1,682 posts

Joined: Oct 2004
From: let there be rain

QUOTE(dukalara @ Jan 19 2018, 07:00 PM)
Ouh...interesting, mind if i get more detail on it ? Or can i contact him/her?
*
changed his no. so don't hv. you can try to check jpa website.
2387581
post Jan 20 2018, 05:40 PM

Enthusiast
*****
Senior Member
756 posts

Joined: Dec 2016
I am a graduate who work in private sector under the STAR programme. And it made no difference to your life at all, only it is considered that you are actually serving the contract period while you are working in private sector. Mine is 4 years down and 2 more to go.
joanv
post Mar 9 2018, 12:13 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
1 posts

Joined: Mar 2018
Hi, I was wondering if I have worked under government for 2 years but wish to switch to private (critical course that has offered contract now so I don't think is critical anymore), is it possible to join STAR program? I have called jpa before but they doesn't seem bothered about the contract thing

This post has been edited by joanv: Mar 9 2018, 12:14 AM
cckkpr
post Mar 9 2018, 09:40 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
4,518 posts

Joined: Apr 2010
QUOTE(joanv @ Mar 9 2018, 12:13 AM)
Hi, I was wondering if I have worked under government for 2 years but wish to switch to private (critical course that has offered contract now so I don't think is critical anymore), is it possible to join STAR program? I have called jpa before but they doesn't seem bothered about the contract thing
*
You just have to serve the bond that you agreed and signed on.

Yeah, you can also opt not to serve or serve part of it but be ready to face the consequences. As the gomen is short of monies now, you can have the option to buy out your contract. laugh.gif

citizen162888
post Mar 11 2018, 04:14 PM

Getting Started
**
Junior Member
177 posts

Joined: Nov 2015
QUOTE(farkingdom @ Aug 20 2016, 06:52 AM)
Hi all.

Many of JPA scholars seem to be breaking their bond by applying jobs themselves and started working. We finished our studies last month in July btw. One already started training in overseas by private company, another going to MNC to work, another busy looking for work.

So one of my best friend who is also JPA scholar saw this and he too applied for a company himself and got offered rm3k/month. Now he is wondering whether to proceed on like the rest, and I too am concern. I did advise him not to.

Will the government know these people are breaking bonds? They seem to think the system is flawed and went with a head start anyway. Did anyone of you JPA scholars get catch by government before?
*
break the bond and pay.
it is integrity. government and society don't owe you. think how you can contribute to society.
it will be important, when its time for me to pick CEO, i pick somebody with a sense of honesty and integrity. for somebody who breaks bond and try to go around rules, will you hire him and think you can trust him ?
BlackWhiteOp P
post Jan 3 2020, 09:57 PM

New Member
*
Probation
1 posts

Joined: Jan 2020
QUOTE(2387581 @ Jan 20 2018, 06:40 PM)
I am a graduate who work in private sector under the STAR programme. And it made no difference to your life at all, only it is considered that you are actually serving the contract period while you are working in private sector. Mine is 4 years down and 2 more to go.
*
Just wanted to ask did you send the form provided by JPA?

 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0338sec    1.23    5 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 18th December 2025 - 06:29 PM