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post Sep 26 2016, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Sep 26 2016, 10:23 PM)
The test drive unit is it white color? He said customer booked the car, then decided upgrade to premium instead... Kesian MT  sad.gif
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mine was silver iinm
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post Sep 26 2016, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Sep 26 2016, 10:37 PM)
Ok lor.. since u said Inspira also like this... But really it could be just that I'm not used to drive by wire. Its the same on Bezza Thread, once they got the car they've been complaining on the poor acceleration with the given power to weight ratio, because its their first time driving car with DWB tech. So pretty much we just have to get used to it.

On a side note, I'm more frequent driving Myvi MT, the pedal is really sensitive which gives an impression that the car is very powderful and thanks to the poor handling as well.
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just maybe i get to adapt to things a bit quicker or i'm just more complacent/content.

my iswara and kancil 660 and even nissan sentra in the household are cable for sure. my inspira was my first and only DBW, and my experiences with the satria neo/other DBW cars like iriz/persona i tested didn't really bother me that much.

YES there IS lag compared to cable, however with better ecu management/controlling the clutch (hurray manual!) one can definitely offset/compensate for the lag.

besides, when you're going fast already, you're not gonna bother about "stop-go" throttle lag, right? tongue.gif
https://youtu.be/sdH_sd2SDXM?t=2m23s
gogo rev matched downshifts (and yes i fucking hate the gear ratios and yes people actually do laugh at me greatly on my super slow shifting/rowing through the gears)
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post Sep 26 2016, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Sep 26 2016, 10:39 PM)
Crap.. I think it's Silver... Too little time for me to experience the car.. Dem! you even get to spin at LDP while I just get to pusing pusing at the rear taman  cry.gif
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LDP straight road only sad.gif
with traffic somemore
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post Oct 1 2016, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(Eilrach @ Oct 1 2016, 01:16 PM)
And not to mention the Persona is 30k+ cheaper than the M2. Ultimately why I chose the M2 is its a driver's car, with a loud but awesome sounding engine, superb handling and cornering, and the interior dashboard is the most visually pleasing in its class, even outclassing some C or D segment cars. Plus im single and drive alone most of the time, why care so much about rear passenger space.

The main thing i disliked about the Persona is the CVT transmission and its lag, though a CVT gives a more smoother transition and ride comfort (i like the gear shift feeling in M2, again its personal preference), and the awfully small wheels compared to the body.
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here's the irony:
- there were numerous complaints on the campro engine noise even in the persona especially when you're revving it harder. albeit you think the m2 engine sounders better.
- family sedan handling and cornering is well, limited. if anything, i'd dare the m2 to fit the small silverstones laugh.gif
- the rear passenger space was complained a lot on the iriz and subsequently the persona too since it's basically the same chassis with a boot.
that said, personally it LOOKED cramp, since the roof is a bit low, however once sat in place in the rear seats it definitely isn't cramped at all.

now, if you're REALLY a single driver who's wanting more of a driver car, i highly urge over the persona manual.
the 30k saved can EASILY get WAYYYY better tires or even suspension if you prefer a stiffer ride (though god forbid on those adjustable/coil overs) laugh.gif
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post Oct 3 2016, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Oct 2 2016, 11:58 PM)
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U sudah booked?  brows.gif
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tarak duit buy sad.gif
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post Oct 3 2016, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(aztechx @ Oct 3 2016, 09:59 AM)
I think the persona looks small more because of proportion issues. Dimension wise its not bad at all. Probably the high roof from the iriz gives it a sempit feel rrom outside. According to paultan, its wider than both the city and vios which both looks a lot wider visually
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i'd think lower roof will make things more camp haha

QUOTE(zero5177 @ Oct 3 2016, 10:54 AM)
Ouch... other than this Persona are you eyeing any alternatives?

But seriously... at this price range this is the best bang of bucks if taking out Iriz... For 5 star, ESC, ABS comfort
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cheap proton also cannot get got what car to get oh?
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post Oct 3 2016, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Oct 3 2016, 05:42 PM)
I think he meant the Persona exterior look cramp because the car is tall, even in fact it is wider than most of its rival..

Still have Iriz ma... but don't have 1.6 thou plus Inspira MT also no stock liao... which is also your ex  sad.gif
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post Oct 11 2016, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(allenultra @ Oct 11 2016, 02:12 PM)
Should be mineral.

Proton claim that with either mineral, semi, or fully synthetic lubricant, it shall last up to 10000km.
If you feel more comfortable to use semi or fully synthetic lubricant, just top up accordingly.
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free service (for persona) = syntium 800 bro, there's a memo etc given to dealers/sc.
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post Dec 17 2016, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Dec 17 2016, 02:52 PM)
-Short 1-4th gear ratio good for spirited drive
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You've never driven an actual short gear ratio car have you? Lol
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post Dec 18 2016, 03:25 AM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Dec 17 2016, 10:56 PM)
Just comparing with similar car lah  dry.gif
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then none of them are short ratios what laugh.gif

if anything, short ratio cars aren't exactly fun for city drives... how should i put it... you'll be doing a LOT of gear changes for really shitty (read: not worth it) speeds.
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post Dec 18 2016, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Dec 18 2016, 09:33 PM)
Well, don't take this too serious, its just my personal opinion based on my previous drive of MT car

Maybe I should rephrase to "Slightly Shorter Ratio in 1-4 speed compared to rivals" for not confusing some enthusiast thumbsup.gif

I only driven a few common car with pretty short gear ratios(mayb not considered short to some) like Avanza, Kancil 660 and Mazda 1000 from the 70s...  but too bad I have no luck with other high performance MT car  cry.gif

Moreover, regardless of short ratio/close ratio or whatsoever gear ratio setup...
MT is never meant to be convenient for city drive to begin with... except only to minority MT freaks like us who just don't care  whistling.gif
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side note and this may or may not apply to you/other readers, regardless if you already know or not: a rough gauge on really short ratio cars, you're usually needing to shift at least twice or even 3 times just to get 100km/h lol.

acceleration is also waaaayyy faster even if the engine actual output isn't as fast.
you get to stay in power band much easier
rev matching short ratio cars require very minimal throttle blipping wink.gif

the drawbacks though, is you sacrifice top speed/cruising rpm (which also means shittier fuel consumption btw) and of course, a lot more shifting required to either get the rpm low for cruising/reduce fuel consumption, or to stay in power band/avoid hitting rev limiters when it comes to spirited/aggressive/track driving.
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post Dec 19 2016, 02:46 AM

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QUOTE(waiora_protuner @ Dec 18 2016, 10:55 PM)
Not necessary...proper short ratio gearbox should have long 1st gear...
Ferrari racing gearbox have 1st gear up to 80-90kmh...
Depends on the slowest corner of the track...

Superbike 1st gear up to 150-160kmh...
To prevent wheelie and wheelspin, and also to compensate with really narrow powerband...

Todays most engine have wide powerband...manufacturer didnt chase highest hp like those older mivec, vtec, t16 days...
CVT is the future...lol
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Ferrari and superbike (i am going to assume literbike/supersports or mid range supersports lol) are kinda... a level above than most average sports car no?

wide power band sure, however the focus tends to be more towards low/mid end for regular family sedan because well, it is supposed to be a family sedan. however i guess it does have the perception of wide power band due to the perception of VVT that almost every modern car has today?

that said, i'm actually ok with CVT especially with the likes from Subaru.
i just personally have a bias with manual just for the sheer fun of it and you know, having a third pedal so every part of me is doing something.

like my 250cc kapchai bike... to corner aggressively, left hand clutch, right hand brake, left leg downshift, right leg brake (one could argue that good riders don't bother rear brakes, but i'm not good and i only ride a small bike so eh tongue.gif), then also have to move my butt off the bike... like suddenly very busy rclxub.gif

QUOTE(dares @ Dec 18 2016, 11:27 PM)
100km/h in third gear (2 shifts) is normal la huh.gif
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it just dawned me, even with short ratio boxes, its either there's plentiful of revs to play with, or they still kept at least 1st gear quite long hmm.gif
though, usually at least 2nd gear's ok to downshift into for short ratio gear boxes unlike inspira where its just downright nerve wrecking, positively or negatively.

the persona imho seemed worse, albeit if you could somehow unlock more revs to play with... at the risk of lol campro masuk bengkel... but i digress sweat.gif
but yes, it is a bit unfair to compare a remapped 4B10 vs S4PH

i wonder what persona ratios are running? inspira:
1st - 3.538
2nd - 1.913
3rd - 1.333
4th - 1.028
5th - 0.820
Rev - 3.583

random latest ND miata mx 5:
5.087
2.991
2.035
1.594
1.286
1.000

final
2.866

the first gear and final drive is like a huge fuck you, but i guess how 2-6 is decently quite close... oh well all is forgiven? lol
lol no overdrive though
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post Dec 19 2016, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Dec 19 2016, 09:24 AM)
Because the final drive of the ND is long, the result is actually not much different from my 6 speed econoshitbox lowlife Ford even though the ratios of the MX5's gearbox are shorter.

From what I read, it has a 1:1 top gear so to reduce friction and transmission loss due to different gear sizes, hence improving efficiency and fuel economy during highway cruising. The rest of the gears (as well as the final drive) were adjusted accordingly to accomodate that final gear ratio.
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I think have to go with what sifu Kenny said leh, else kena diao further sad.gif
But yeah, I've read similarly as well and the reason of not having an overdrive 6gear with the long final drive combined due to the overall goal of the car being a fun open top touring /Canyon trip haha.

I suppose if you want to make it even more aggressive, the final drive is probably one of the main things you can tinker with hahaha

QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Dec 19 2016, 09:30 AM)
APA BENDA PERSONA WITH MX5 ?

yes you need to look at the overall .. not just the number at the gears..
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post Dec 19 2016, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Dec 19 2016, 11:05 AM)
fake lancer .. the manual .. 2-3 that one a bit  bangwall.gif especially when up genting ..
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You 2.0 already 3rd should be enough power right?

4B10 and no skill driver, 2nd not enough rpm, 3rd not enough power cry.gif
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post Dec 19 2016, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Dec 19 2016, 12:21 PM)
your R25 .. the rear spoket settle jo la .. bigger (more teeth) .. more pickup
smaller (less teeth) .. more top speed
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Ya tempted to change, but 5k km only, thinking to just let it wear along with the chain, change only when replacing the chain XD
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post Dec 20 2016, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(zero5177 @ Dec 19 2016, 11:09 PM)

By the way I'm always curious about what makes the maker to decide to have a Long FD + Short gear ratios combination VS Short FD + Long gear ratios  hmm.gif
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If I were to guess /assume, overall driving feel (probably between prototype testings and what not, complex calculations between top speed and acceleration, Rev hangs, percentage or actual value of rpm changes between shifts, power band, engine (especially vvt or lifting mechanism involvement) characteristics including ECU behavior varying engine load etc.

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