To put an end towards second guessing which format is winning or losing (in actual fact, , who cares, and it doesnt matter!), this website tracks them from Amazon.com sales every 15 minutes. Complete with historical graphs and charts, this is the definitive source for you rabid <insert favourite next gen HD format here> fanboys to claim your boisterous victories over the opposing other.

Me? I'll take a lazy chair, a bucket of caramel popcorn and watch both sides sling muds and filth at each other!

http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/

At the time of this post, the current leader is Bluray.

Take it away! Fight!

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Mar 12 2007, 05:10 AM

Haha, call in the FRU, the spectators have been known to riot.

Amazon is extremely win though. They provide so much information that can be used for market surveys for free.

Whaaat? No mudslinging and anti-rootkit banners? Boo! We want our money back!

Nah, sony sent free batteries to all the righteous anti-rootkit people, and suddenly all the opposition stopped.

Are you sure they are the non-exploding kind? Nyahahahaha! Vengeance!

No idea, but i'm sure the truth lies somewhere between bribery and assasination

huh ? no one yet? okay let me start?

what the fvck!! what dvd wars ? Blu-ray is not dvd remember !!

Did you even bother clicking the link?

Last i check Bluray still tops!

One intresting thing I notice at releases there seems to be more for Bluray then HD-DVD in the coming months. Bottom line is if there are not enough titles in the pipelines announced by HD-DVD the tip balance of scale will point towards owning a Bluray player.

HD-DVD release:

January 23, 2007
Black Rain (Paramount)
Brokeback Mountain (Universal)

January 30, 2007
Beerfest (Warner)
Half Baked (Universal)
The Wicker Man (2006) (Warner)

February 06, 2007
Failure to Launch (Paramount)
Hollywoodland (Universal)

February 13, 2007
The Departed (Warner)

February 20, 2007
Babel (Paramount)

February 27, 2007
Bullitt (Warner)
The Getaway (1972) (Warner)
Nine Inch Nails Live: Beside You in Time (Interscope)

Bluray release

ien vs. Predator (Fox)
Black Rain (Paramount)
Casanova (Buena Vista)
Chicago (Buena Vista)
Courage Under Fire (Fox)
The Guardian (2006) (Buena Vista)
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (Buena Vista)
The Manchurian Candidate (2004) (Paramount)
Men of Honor (Fox)
Saw II (Unrated) (Lionsgate)
Saw III (Lionsgate)
We Were Soldiers (Paramount)

January 30, 2007
Beerfest (Warner)
Flyboys (Fox)
Hart's War (Fox)
Open Season (Sony)
The Wicker Man (2006) (Warner)

February 06, 2007
American Psycho (Lionsgate)
Failure to Launch (Paramount)
First Blood (Lionsgate)
Reservoir Dogs (Lionsgate)
Running With Scissors (Sony)
The Tailor of Panama (Sony)

February 13, 2007
Broken Arrow (Fox)
Chain Reaction (Fox)
The Departed (Warner)
Entrapment (Fox)
Ladder 49 (Buena Vista)
Marie Antoinette (Sony)
The Marine (Fox)
Phone Booth (Fox)
Planet of the Apes (Fox)
Reign of Fire (Buena Vista)
The Sentinel (Fox)
The Usual Suspects (Fox)

February 20, 2007
Babel (Paramount)
The Prestige (Buena Vista)
Vertical Limit (Sony)

February 27, 2007
Bullitt (Warner)
The Getaway (1972) (Warner)
Nine Inch Nails Live: Beside You in Time (Interscope)
Stranger Than Fiction (Sony)

March 13, 2007
Casino Royale (Sony)
Commando (Fox)
Dances with Wolves (MGM)
Dodgeball (Fox)
Hoosiers (MGM)
Ice Age (Fox)
Layer Cake (Sony)
Mr. & Mrs. Smith (Fox)
The Thomas Crown Affair (1999) (MGM)

March 20, 2007
Big Fish (Sony)
Chicken Little (Buena Vista)
Finding Neverland (Buena Vista)

March 27, 2007
Happy Feet (Warner)
National Geographic: Relentless Enemies (Warner)

April 03, 2007
Dude, Where's My Car? (MGM)
The Fly (1986) (Fox)
G.I. Jane (Buena Vista)
Hannibal (MGM)
King Arthur Director's Cut (Buena Vista)
Me, Myself & Irene (Fox)
The Silence of the Lambs (MGM)
Tristan & Isolde (Fox)

April 10, 2007
Payback: Straight Up - The Director's Cut (Paramount)

April 17, 2007
Turistas (Fox)

April 24, 2007
Planet Earth: The Complete Collection (BBC)

June 08, 2007
Con Air (Buena Vista)
Crimson Tide (Buena Vista)
The Rock (Buena Vista)

Source: AVS Forums

i did. that is why i posted the question. i see so many variation of the charts on several sites. i only belief in Amazon rankings from Amazon sites and DVDEmpire

The data is compiled FROM Amazon data, how more straightforward do you want? Amazon could care less about generating charts and data comparison as how this site does, so this site takes care of that. After all, cold hard facts shuts even the most vocal fanboy out there.

i disagree with that. If the hardware sales of HD DVD continues to be consistent as it is currently, BD exclusive studios will have to follow where the money is.

One more thing, consumers can let format owners to bully them into deciding on a format by deprieving consumers of contents or they can excert power over this format owners choosing a format which he/she likes without being constantly blackmail into thinking the format of his/her would be dead. Consumers need to realise that they hold the power in the form of check books. Studios will have to follow where the money is at the end of the day. Basically, every single consumer should now that studio support is irrelevant in the format war. Hardware is the KING. Drop the price of PS3, drop the price of HD A2, everybody body is happy.

That's the scenario in the most ideal world, but in reality, whichever format gets cheap enough for the pirates to mass produce first, the Average Joes will follow. This ring even greater truth on this side of the globe.

I dont the current HD-format war going anywhere at the moment. Once studios starts releasing big titles they are withelding right now, then you'll see tides changing. Pirates Bluray? Pixar movies Bluray? Sign me up!

hmm come to think of it, Studios and CEs should not be in the same boat on this. Lots of pirate disks .. Studios 'lose' money. CEs on the other hand, see sales jump of players ..

The hardware is only as good if there is software to support it and in this case Bluray seems to be having the edge base on the impending releases. New buyers will look at the hardware as well as what kind of movies will be coming out. Also take into account not everyone is going to buy the movies but rather rent them out first, in the case of the USA, and with the pipeline of titles announced so far consumers may lean towards the Bluray alternatives.

Pre-hype business of annoucing titles to come will only tip the favour towards Bluray.

True, hardware is the KING. But let me put some info to get u into perspective in terms of industry support.

Blu-Ray Disc
Apple; Dell Inc.; Hewlett Packard Company*; Hitachi, Ltd.; LG Electronics Inc.; Mitsubishi Electric Corporation; Panasonic (Matsushita Electric); Pioneer Corporation; Royal Philips Electronics; Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.; Sharp Corporation; Sony Corporation; TDK Corporation; Thomson

*Supporting both formats

HD-DVD
Toshiba, NEC*, Memory-Tech, Microsoft, Intel, Sanyo*, HP*

*Supporting both formats

I think pRon will swing the way for this war. Just like Betamax VS VHS, we all knew how that went after Betamax disregarded the pRon industry.

Apparently, its the same with Bluray as well. So, I will say HD DVD to pick up soon enough. Although Amazon might not reflect that

Errr, there are Bluray pRon on the market already.

reality check .. Toshiba alone sold more standalone players than all of these "Hitachi, Ltd.; LG Electronics Inc.; Mitsubishi Electric Corporation; Panasonic (Matsushita Electric); Pioneer Corporation; Royal Philips Electronics; Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd.; Sharp Corporation; Sony Corporation; TDK Corporation; Thomson" CEs COMBINED. If the current trend continues its just a matter of time before before HD DVD overall hardware sales overtake blu-ray hardware sales inclusive of the PS3 sales. We are already seeing signs that Sony is having problem selling remaining 1/2mil PS3 shipped on north america. PS3 in the console's stronghold, Japan is having the same problem. Retailers are already slashing the price of the subsidised PS3 by 20%. There are FIVE exclusive studios behind Blu-ray yet, HD DVD movie titles are still more in the market. HD DVD plans bring to market 300 titles this year. and by all mean, that number is MORE than sufficient to HD DVD momentum going. How many people buy 300 dvds a year? How many people have more than 300 dvds in their life time collection?

Yes, yes.....that's more like it! More...more!

*popcorn bucket in hand, and large oversized soda on the other, dims the stage lights*

It made me chuckle when people feel the need to defend their purchases, or their format of choice for that matter. Im not pointing fingers at anyone here, but it made me giggle to no end nonetheless.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jan 23 2007, 05:41 PM

huh? i thought its the whole purpose of you creating this thread .. No?

what's even more funny is that a certain HD-DVD strong supporter actually spends more time reading/researching/defending HD-DVD when he could actually have just saved his fund and actually buy & enjoy HD-DVDs instead of being a virtual forum cheerleader

Defending my purchase/format choice? Nay my dear combatant, i've tasted virgins and whores from both sides, so no defending needed. This thread's borned out of the need to provide tangible source for zealots and fanatics from both sides to refer to, and made fools of themselves defending their argumentative side.

Basically, for the delight of myself while watching both sides make themselves look like Krusty the Clown. Hey, if it comes with the main objective, who am i to refuse?

There are? Doesn't seem to be the case though hehe. Since googling it will result in a lot of unfavourable news for the Sony camp.

Sony camp has denied allegations that they are banning pRon producers but apparently the producers have said that Sony has threatened Blu-ray manufacturers not to press Blu-ray discs for the adult entertainment industry.

You can have all the movie titles on the Blu-ray and super hardware sales, but if the pRon industry switch to HD-DVD in a massive way, Blu-ray will be the next Betamax.

As for me, still saving up money for the PS3 so I can get a cheap Blu-ray player.

Skip over to the Porn on HDDVD Bluray thread for the lowdown on which camp the porn folks are heading to. FYI, it's both. Im like them myself, not gonna miss out on anything just on thinly veiled principles.

hopefully Blue ray wins,cos i dun think i will be getting an xbox360 or any HD DVD devices, but PS3 is a must for me

I dont like to see either lose and die off. The market can sustain both of them adequately, just release same movie on different formats.

thinly veiled pricinples? principles are principles its people with principles who touch the world and revolutionise human race

Yes, we all have principles, but depriving yourself of the fruits of your labor for principles' sake is pointless IMO. See the fanatical religious groups? I dare say some of those fanatics at AVSForums are replicating their ways of thinking , but only when it comes to their next-gen format of choice. Im not gonna deprive myself of Pirates of Caribbean Dead Man's Chest Bluray out of principles , it's not a matter of life and death when it comes to choices like these. Religion-wise, it may weigh heavily, but not when it comes to my personal enjoyment.

IMHO, i dun think its quite possible for both formats to co exist, one will die out eventually , the question is wen, one of them will phased out, but who knows, maybe the tim it happens im aredi dead by then

From Digitalbits, Disney's Cars is slated to hit Bluray on Summer. Looks like the floodgates are opening for quality Bluray films. Once studios see there are demand for their movies on HiDef, hopefully they will be releasing more.

At the very least, what we need is a stalemate and peaceful coexistence.

hopefully they can coexist, and also to the all the fellows forrumers here

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Pix...u-ray_Dates/448

The tide is gonna turn into a tsunami come this May! HD-DVD better have something up their collective sleeves.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jan 25 2007, 01:06 PM

is gurse of the golden flower available thru blueray?
i just seen the trailer 720p thru apple.com( mine notebook on 1080p hang hang)

tats is one film i gonna buy for my ps3 if its available, all the colours(not to mention the boobies) are so strikingly beautiful, see it on my notebook also abit blur....

Yup, that movie is scheduled to release on Bluray on March 2007.

whoohoohhhhh

i wan crank, i wan saw 3, i wan curse of golden, ice age, maybe open season
how much would tat cost me? rm 1k?

Got the player?

gd question, not yet

and no 16:9 lcd yet, not too mention 1080p

arghh string you seems turning into quite the wind up merchant, GOW getting boring?

Toshiba HD-XA1 HD DVD Player beats Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, Pioneer Blu-ray players to Win Sound & Vision Product of the Year Award

http://www.dvdrecorderworld.com/news/433

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Added on January 28, 2007, 4:37 amhttp://www.ropeofsilicon.com/news.php?id=5179


Not that 300 titles for a year isnt enough. Regular consumers do not even own 300 DVDs after 10 years of collection .. so the talks of Blu-ray have more exclusive studios than HD DVD .. Mute!!

Universal to release ATLEAST 100 Exclusive HD DVDs in 2007
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http://www.businessofcinema.com/?file=story&id=2049

Bringing further heat to the burgeoning HD DVD format, Universal Studios Home Entertainment will release more than 100 new film and television titles in 2007.

Perennial favorites such as Scarface and classics like 40-Year-Old Virgin, Battlestar Galactica S1 and Oscar-winning Brokeback Mountain will be joined by dozens of new titles released day and date with the DVD.

Since the format's inception in April 2006, Universal Studios Home Entertainment has released 60 titles on HD DVD, and currently boasts four of the top 10 best-selling HD DVDs year-to-date, including Casino, Serenity, Fearless and Miami Vice.

Tapping into the studio's vast library, the 2007 slate kicked off on 18 January with the release of The Mummy Returns, followed by Brokeback Mountain, starring Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal on 23 January, 2007. Following shortly thereafter will be such day-and-date new releases as Golden Globe-nominee Hollywoodland on 6 February. More than 90 per cent of the planned 2007 Universal titles will be released as combo discs - which feature an HD DVD version and a standard DVD version of the movie on the same disc.

"With more than two million HD DVD players expected in the market in North America by the end of 2007, Universal Studios Home Entertainment is committed to expanding its portfolio of compelling HD DVD content and further igniting consumer demand. By releasing most of our titles as combo discs we effectively satisfy consumers' multi-viewing habits, providing them with the most cost-effective option to watch their favorite films in either their DVD or HD DVD players," said Universal Studios Home Entertainment president Craig Kornblau.

Among the additional new titles to be released in 2007 are the Oscar-nominated Children of Men, The Good Shepherd, and Smokin' Aces. Also on deck for release this year are such highly anticipated catalog favorites as Bruce Almighty; The Bourne Identity; Meet The Fockers; American Pie; Inside Man; Pride & Prejudice; The Big Lebowski; Liar Liar; Lock, Stock & Two Smoking Barrels; Brazil; Erin Brockovich; Shaun of the Dead; Dawn of the Dead; Slap Shot; and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind.

This post has been edited by g5sim: Jan 28 2007, 05:11 AM

Give the thread starter some credit, Bluray > HDDVD. Rejoice.

I forgot to add, we can all now have some quality HD content on our LIBRARY (harddisk) from u know where.

This post has been edited by redken: Jan 28 2007, 01:03 PM

Uh Doooh! Im into both, remember? Where does all this talk about me into bluray only comes into the picture?

Good news all round, but guess what, even the XA1 model are not here yet. Are we cheering for them Yanks for dictating what format should we go for, while we here watch from the sideline while waiting for the players to arrive?

Except for children of Men, Brazil and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, the rest of the titles doesnt even worth to bat an eyelash at. Now Cars and both Pirates, that im drooling about.

You see, the more the HD-DVD folks trumpets the format, the more i thank them, since im into the format as well. Just that , some folks trumpet the HD-DVD in the valiant attempt to make sure their sole choice of format doesnt go down the drain as if their lives depended on it. Or defended it like their lives depended on it rather. Give me both. Both sides of the format fanboys are like salesman to me, they sell their format , i reap the results.

i am giving him the credit lah .. he started the thread so that people can fight in it .. so i entertain him lah

I know where our HD Library is

HMM? Open secret

Hopefully some nice codecs will surface to further squash the file to a more 3rd world country internet frenly size.

Oiii, more entertainment value please, all these article quoting posts are like a boring RTM newscaster. More mudslinging, more fire and pitchforks!

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jan 28 2007, 02:32 PM

i know you will like them

Yup, the HD-DVD side "fired" the salvo already with that article. Waiting for the Bluray people to counter-strike! If nobody, then i'll be the devil's advocate and go Bluray for a while before turning neutral again.

fire rock lah you

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Added on February 2, 2007, 4:29 amon behalf of stringfellow: well, the so called researcher's name is Bottoms. What else can I say !


Researcher Sees Blu-ray Victory


http://homemediaretailing.com/news/html/br...rticle_id=10208

Understanding & Solutions is keeping a close watch on the launches of both high-definition formats, HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc. While it's a little early to call a winner, Blu-ray has the strongest possibility to dominate the market quickly, thanks mostly to the PlayStation 3, according to the company. Home Media Magazine talked to co-founder Jim Bottoms about what his firm sees for the future of the high-definition formats.

HM: What kind of hardware adoption should we expect to see as the year progresses, now that there are several different hardware options for both formats, including the PS3?

Bottoms: Top line, we reckon something like a million players were shipped through into consumers' homes in 2006, including gaming formats. Of that 1 million, about 750,000 were PS3. It's been our contention all along that both formats would almost be neck and neck, with Blu-ray having stronger industry support on the hardware side and content side and HD DVD getting out first and having lower price points. Each group has got its advantages, but what really changes the picture is PS3. It is poised to be in virtually 25 million to 35 million homes in the next two to three years.

HM: So it could be an all Blu-ray high-def market in just a couple of years?

Bottoms: I would be absolutely amazed if the format war goes on much further than mid-2008. If you look at what happened in 2006, 80% of what has sold through is Blu-ray. In 2007, [Blu-ray] will be at least that percentage again, but it won't be a million players we're talking about. We're probably looking at something like 8 million units selling through this year across all product types and formats, so by the end of 2007, moving into 2008, it's possible that 5% or 6% of U.S. homes will be owning a high-definition playback device. And about 80% of those devices will be Blu-ray.

HM: Will Sony be able to keep up the manufacturing to hit that 25 million to 35 million PS3 target over the next couple of years?

Bottoms: Well, that's the question, isn't it? But if you look at PS2 and [the original PlayStation], that's the kind of volume those systems saw.

HM: The higher price of the PS3 compared to those previous players doesn't seem to be a stumbling block. Is that because it seems like a value to get the Blu-ray capability as well as the gaming system?

Bottoms: The thing is, at this early stage, we are selling to the enthusiast. The people who are driving high-definition, be it on players or PS3, are people who have been waiting for years, who have spent $5,000 or $6,000 bucks on a TV. It almost doesn't matter. It will matter in two or three years as it moves into a mass-market product. With standard-definition DVD, players were available for about two years before the PS2. The early adopter already had adopted their video player. Then along comes a gaming player that was also a video console, but it was a more expensive entry point. There was a penalty for it. This time around effectively PS3 is the first Blu-ray player available, and by the way, it comes in at $600, and -when to buy a Blu-ray video-only player was $1,000 or $800 - it actually became for someone who wants a Blu-ray player a very compelling purchase. And, by all accounts, PS3 is a much better Blu-ray player than the PS2 was a DVD player.

HM: Are software buy rates for Blu-ray movies bearing out the theory that people would see the PS3 as more than just a gaming device?

Bottoms: More than 70% of people buying a PS3 have a strong interest in acquiring movies for it. Until the PS3 was launched, software sales were probably three to one in HD DVD's favor, but once the PS3 came out, the pendulum swung dramatically. Volume per title grew something like 700%. By the end of the year, most of the top selling high-definition titles will be Blu-ray discs.

HM: Do you think high definition will reach mass market in two to three years, and do you mean that as in pricing or as in the kind of consumers who are buying high-def hardware and software?

Bottoms: Both. We believe that you will see Blu-ray players at around $400 by the end of this year and HD DVD about $300. In the United States, it has to be less than $200 for mass appeal and less than $100 for an impulse purchase, but that will happen quickly. Going into [2008], I will sit and eat one of our reports if we haven't seen an HD DVD player for less than $200. Crudely, it costs about $100 more to make, at volume, a high-definition player than it does to make a standard definition player. Of course, those numbers are at volume and [the electronics companies] are not at that manufacturing volume yet.

HM: Does that mean that both formats could possibly exist simultaneously for some years to come if HD DVD companies dig in their heels?

Bottoms: We believe by the end of the year, we will see one format start to dominate. At the moment all the cards are stacked in favor of Blu-ray coming out on top. In reality, the only companies holding on to HD DVD are Toshiba and Universal and, yes, it will be a difficult pill for them to swallow to switch to Blu-ray. But it was a difficult pill for Sony to swallow when they had to start making VHS machines [after Betamax failed]. It will probably be easier for Universal because they don't have any real financial incentive to keep HD DVD going. Toshiba has got a strong vested interest in prolonging the life of the DVD format, and that's what HD DVD is all about. It's basically extending the DVD format as long as you can take it.


This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 2 2007, 04:29 AM

Sure, you can have the best selling HD-playing player in the world, with all awards piled up onto it like pirates bounty on Isle de Muerta, but without the strong sale of software to make use of all that thingamajig award winning mumbo-jumbos, it's nothing but an expensive toaster oven.

Official tracking data from Nielsen VideoScan and The Digital Bits, has this to say about the current format war:-



A collective "Uh Oh" can be heard across the globe for what begins a format blatantly bashed for its non-relatable rootkit debacle from Sony, have momentum and picking up speed. With the arrival of Casino Royale, Pixar's Cars and Pirates of The Carribean 1 and 2, gloom and doom is approaching for the HD-DVD camp? Already the ratio is 3:1 in favour to Blu-ray for the week ending January 14th.

*Cue panicky background music for the sweaty palmed HD-DVD faithfuls*

It's sad in a way. PS the holygrail of console gaming has been reduced to just another home audio visual proponent.

If you recall your Video Game History 101, the PS2 too was bought during its first initial launch for its DVD playing capabilities. It's most bought after software? The DVD movie The Matrix. Are you saying history is about to repeat itself with that comment of yours?

Just because it plays movies well, doesnt mean the games arent coming. PS2 proves that to the naysayers last time, killing Dreamcast along with it.

yeah matrix .. coming soon to HD DVD *only* soon .. loving Warner !! Why? Blu-ray's $1000 interativity debacle ... no interactivity, no Matrix for Blu-ray .. atleast not yet

Java 1.1 coming soon, my friend. Until Warner actually announces any speck of information on releases of the Matrix trilogy discs, they remain neutral, as in support for both formats.

But since we're playing the movie-support-what-format-game, .........Star Wars Hexalogy, on Bluray ONLY, while the HD-DVD folks are clamoring for petitions to plead 20th CEntury Fox to come over to HD-DVD via PetitionOnline . The End.

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Added on February 3, 2007, 2:43 amJust to add salt to the wound as well, out of curiosity, try Google the title for the highest sellind DVD title of all time, and see what you get. If the record still holds, and i believe with the number it had made, it would be about a little clown fish living on the reef with his clown fish dad. And guess what? Bluray EXCLUSIVE , baby!. That if you want to go by the numbers and by past history.

If you wanna go with the present and the foreseeable future, what exclusives again Universal is holding against the Disneys (Pixars, Pirates), Sony Columbia Tristar (Spider-Mans), Fox (Star Wars Hexalogy), just to name a few.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Feb 3 2007, 02:43 AM

LMAO .. you are assuming studio exclusivity is here to stay ... wait till the Chinese beat the Japanese CE kings in HD DVD players development and flood the US market with $199 and $299 players .. then tell me about studio exclusivity.

Disney loves HDi. Warner france has already put the month and specs for Matrix, 1-3 and all the Harry Porter films. Guess what - all the titles are with HDi - In Movie Experience feature. The only reason these titles do not have the same release date for Blu-ray is because of that - IME feature. In fact warner only gave the date for HD DVD of ALL their planned releases with IME feature. The rest of the titles have the same release date for both HD DVD and Blu-ray. Twice as expensive but have the same level of interactivity as standard DVDs - how embarassing ..

anyhow, i prefer FunTastic4 then Spidey. But HD DVD players unconvert VERY near to some Blu-ray PQ anyway. oh maybe PS3 price will drop further in the coming months to like $199. I will definitely get one to watch FunTastic4, XMen, and few other fun FOX movies .... oh maybe not .. WHY .. studio exclusivity my bottom .. see below



wait isnt Underworld a Sony Picture Entertainment movie?

Video: 2.35:1 1080p High Definition
Audio: Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 English
Subtitles: English, Spanish Castellano

wait there is more, the extra feature are even more then the Blu-ray counterpart .. LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

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Added on February 3, 2007, 5:50 amOfficial site of Underworld at Sony Pictures ..

http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/cata...3396153813.html

exclusivity .. oh HD DVDs are region free...

Features Blu-ray = 8, HD DVD = 16. Isnt Blu-ray can fit 50GB vs HD DVD's 30GB only. Again how embarassing.

Blu-ray features:

1. Director's Commentary
2. Music Video: "Her Portrait in Black" by Atreyu
3. Original Featurette: Bloodlines: From Script To Screen
4. Original Featurette: Building a Saga
5. Original Featurette: Making Monsters Roar
6. Original Featurette: Music and Mayhem
7. Original Featurette: The Hybrid Theory
8. Original Featurette: The War Rages On

HD DVD features:

1. Audio Commentary with director Len Wiseman
2. Image Gallery
3. Biographies/Filmographies
4. Photo Gallery
5. Trailer
6. TV Spots
7. Featurette (6 min)
8. "Imágenes de rodaje" (15 min)
9. Interviews (12 min)
10. Making of (13 min)
11. Making of: Special Effects (13 min)
12. Making of: Making Monsters Roar (12 min)
13. Making of: "Especialistas" (10 min)
14. Making of: Production Design (13 min)
15. Making of: Music and Sound (12 min)
16. Unspecified Video Clip (4 min)

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Dont hate me please .. thank you


This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 3 2007, 05:50 AM

Ahahahah, the HD-DVD camp jumping up and down over a movie like "Underworld"? You can quote me this, as well as to the bank that "you will never see the big hitters go to the opposite camp". Something as trivial as "Underworld" may slip past conventional film studio segragation outside of MPAA jurisdiction in countries like Spain, but i dont see Spain being the main consumer of all things next-gen discs, do you? The battle will be decided in the land of Uncle Sam, provided the pirates didnt get to them first.

You still hadnt addressed the fact that Bluray b****slapped HD-DVD in sales 3 to1 in the latest Nielsen Videoscan data culling. Bluray's studio numbers advantage is slowly rearing its beautiful head,while the HD-DVD camp rejoice for victory over trickling oftitlesonce thought exclusive toBluray,then coming over to their side....how sad! While HD-DVD could scamper on with titles like "Underworld" to giggle over, try facing against the volume of 5 studios against its own 1. Disney may love HDi and gogaga over HD-DVD's IME features, but once Java 1.1 comes to fruition, there is no turning back. It is just a matter of time,and once time hits summer 2007,and all the pieces of the big picture falls into place, i'd say even Disney's offering alone could demolish HD-DVD's frail grasps on living past that point in time.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Feb 3 2007, 12:12 PM

i was merely trying to proof that BD strongest marketing point - studio exclusivity is nothing but ******* ... We might even see Disney titles showing up in Europe. By the way - for your information, anyone from USA can purchase titles from Europe, Australia, Japan, India even africa cuxz unlike Blu-ray - HD DVD is not region coded.

"once" Java 1.1 .. i love the use of future tense in BD when the products are already in the market. Consumers pay $1,000 so that they can waste half a year to get BDA to ready Java in June 2007. When the HD DVD counter paid $500 and enjoy amazing interactivity from day one of purchase. Great! .. long live Blu-ray.

on the 2-1 sales of Blu-ray, you have checked the news havent you. Try reading the videoscan data instead reading third hand information interpreted by god knows who. But no worries, like you, i was misleaded by BDA web propaganda machines. below are are better representations of the Videoscan data. It represent the total sales of HD DVD vs Blu-ray till 7th, 14th and 21th Jan 2007. As you can see clearly, where is Blu-ray outselling HD DVD 2-1? The information you is merely the % of weekly sales of Blu-ray vs HD DVD titles in which 100% can be representing ONLY 100, 1,000, 5,000 or 10,000 total disk sales. Now every Blu-ray fan boys should be worry. With <>700,000 Blu-ray players sold vs HD DVD's mere 200,000 figure, HD DVD's total disk sale is STILL MORE than Blu-ray.

Oh one more thing, rumour has it , the 28th Jan 2007 weekly sales data will show HD DVD leading Blu-ray. The Blu-ray fan boys at AVS whom earlier embracing the Videoscan data are already backtracking from taking the Videoscan data whole heartedly .. hell that was funny

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Added on February 3, 2007, 1:42 pmoh one more thing, if you check the graph closely, HD DVD is actually distancing itself from Blu--ray in 21 jan as compared to the 7th Jan figure. 7th Jan (54%-46%=8%) but in 21th (55%-45%=10%). And the fanboys are sooo excited about the figure for ?

Don't hate me because i present rasional facts... please ! I love you all !

This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 3 2007, 01:42 PM

Keep ur jargon's to urself. If u have the time, perhaps write a fairy tale about it. Or even better use the time to grow up.

Back then, there wasnt any format battle. DVD was elected by the electronics community which puts a stop a rising format battle with another what, i think MMD os something like that.

Which so far havent prove profitable to the original creators because hefty royalties are not imposed. Sony being the big lame o decided they want a bigger piece of the cake because they have been losing money for the past two years.

Touchy,touchy! I was merely addressing the brought up fact that someone here was commenting the PS3 being a media player first and gaming machine later,and pointed out that PS2 was the same case 7 years ago, even though this has absolutely no bearings whatsoever in the current format war . Didnt have anything to bring to the table? Dip below the table and have table scraps.

Interesting point there g5sim,from that point of view, Bluray has a lot of catching up to do. Now this is what the threads needs,more graphs and numbers, than someone deftly and baitingly pretend to be sad for the PS3 as a media player.

On one side, we have IME/U-Control which i absolutely love and adore, and on the other side, the movie titles that i most probably want, that most probably will appear only on one format, unless Warner's TotalHD format takes off. When push comes to shove, I think i'll take the movies over the special features/extras although time will tell if this gen's HD format will provide immersive interactive experience with its extras. Question is, will the solitary case of "Underworld Evolution" happens to flagship titles like "Finding Nemo", " Spider-Man 2" or "Star Wars Episode III"? You be the judge.

P/s: The holy grail of video game has not been reduced to a mere media player, that is part of its function. Deal with it.

Sort of puts an end to your numerous pretenses at being neutral, doesn't it? PS2 was the holy grail of its generation. At least one more year before anyone can even begin make such a claim for a current gen console. If he were actually neutral that is.

But it seems like you like numbers, and according to those, the 360 is the current holy grail by a mile, quoting the webpage you gave us in your first post.
http://www.eproductwars.com/vg/

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Feb 3 2007, 11:05 PM

How does that make me non-partial? By defending the PS3 when its credibility is attacked for its made-to-be-used function as a media player? I'll defend them(keyword:plural) appropriately when they are sniped at unfairly. Wii actually gets most of my playtime, than the 360 or the PS3.

I thought you're the one with the witty side here, you of all person should know that the "holy grail" statement was directed to our dear friend Redken here for classifying the PS3 as the supposed "Holy Grail". I certainly didnt use that term. I then replied back to his claims by using back the term he use. Maybe if i put these " " between the word "holy grail", you'd get the gist of things, but that would only debase you as being a more less-wittier version of your current self, and i certainly dont want to do that to you.

I may like one console more over the others, but wouldnt it be stupid that i buy these consoles just to keep up with being neutral, as you claimed? I have better things to do with my dough, thanks. I'd like to hear about your next conspiracy theory though, you seem to be churning them out in bucketloads now.

But guess what? This thread aint about the PS3s, and the 360s. It is about the Blurays and the HD-DVDs. And the thread title says "Definitive HD-DVD/Bluray Sales" now isnt it? Dont want to start thinking you have trouble reading but the one who brought those consoles into the equation here aint me, brother.

P/S: This may come off wrong, but im thankful i had the chance to enjoy all three of them. Dont think i bought the 360s (yes, two of them) out of spite or to put out a neautrality facade, nor with the PS3 and the Wii either. Dont think i had the games for the 360 (majority on the 360 by the way) just because i hate the console now, is it? If you follow that line of thought, i would definitely dont favour the PS3 much. It's the potential, and whats in store for them that kept me keeping them. None of these consoles are holy grails to me, it's the GAMES that are the real Grail here. Being a console fanboy is like losing out on eating out all the wonderful foods the world has to offer, and you choose to only eat fish. Sorry, my taste buds are yearning.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Feb 4 2007, 01:12 AM

Sorry, to be honest i haven't been paying that much attention. Perhaps you have a point there. Oh well, redken: the numbers prove that 360 is the current holy grail by a mile. live with it!

Ignoring the random nonsense, if this was a comparison that did not involve consoles, then why is it in the consoles couch in the first place?

I believe there are more appropriate forum sections for this. Can't remember who the threadstarter is, but clearly he had the consoles in mind, else he would have put it in a different section. (hardware? audiophiles? certainly not consoles couch. in consoles couch only the games matter, according to someone)

This post has been edited by ikanayam: Feb 4 2007, 02:06 AM

kesian DC

Read those in Red .. thankies

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Added on February 4, 2007, 3:30 amand for those who still believe that Blu-ray is not Sony and that its a consortium of CEs? Sorry to inform you that you have been fooled. See below. Its a screenshot of Pioneer's Official Blu-ray Elite Player brochure that can be found here:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/i...5254BDP-HD1.pdf



This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 4 2007, 03:30 AM

Alamak,,,I already ordered few of B_-Ray disks from amazon, as I plan to buy the PS3 this month, especially for movie viewing..but after reading this thread..i guess ...I need to buy the external HD-DVD player for my 360 too.....sghhhhh

huh? why?

bro silencer, no worries my friend... i am here to help you. i will help you to use your new ps3 for a short while then you just grab 360 hd dvd player lah. after you bored with the hd dvd player then we reswap with your new ps3!

* bila nak teh tarik lah?

That why, you need to see the history of why this thread was here. It was in response of all the news about Bluray and HD-DVDs stuff that was posted on this section, because LYN lack any section that caters to videophiles. The closest that LYN has is the Audiophile section, and that too seems awkward since, it would be discussing the multitude of audio codecs that comes with the arrival of these new formats. Which appropriate section on LYN are you talking about here?

If you're done deflecting the issue at hand, can we get back to the topic? I know everywhere i post, people like to turn whatever i post into their own personal quest to bash my head in, but let's not turn this thread into anything personal, shall we? It wasnt about the console in the first place, read the very first thread , there wasnt any reference to consoles at all. Someone else brought consoles into the equation here with his futile attempt to embarass the PS3 , but embarassed himself instead. So, if you have run out of ammo, can we move along here? Deal with it!

G5sim, Bluray is SOny, but it is also a collaboration of those within its consortium. It is just that the convoluted mess that is the BDA that may have not clearly define which entity is within the BDA that may have made Pioneer printing Bluray as being Sony alone there, since they are the sure entity within the BDA.

If Disney is not on of the main proponent in bluray, why are they (BDA) hyping up Disney's announcement at CES about this summer releases of their blockbuster titles?

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Added on February 4, 2007, 12:44 pmA question to G5sim, since you frequent AVSForums too......what's going on in the HD-DVD section of the forum? Seems like they are running around all panicky like headless chickens!

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Feb 4 2007, 12:44 PM

hahahaha...i think im getting both ps3 and external dvd player for 360 this month.. been hearing lots of good thing about HD movies..as my new 42" Sharp G7 will be delivered today, as this model support 1080p resolution for both PS3 and xbox 360 (eventhough it's connected through component input)....

* teh tarik..anytime will do...but preferable weekendlah at DJinn place..how about during the release of Forza ....

This post has been edited by silencer: Feb 5 2007, 02:08 AM

oh yalor .. delivering on monday .. i saw the lcd bulk sale thread



lol .. no .. not yet .. i find there are more rasional people on the HD DVD thread than the Blu-ray thread. The HD DVD boys are very good in rasionalising on everything. The reason the more sales of Blu-ray vs HD DVD as there were not many titles on HD DVD and that almost all of the HD DVD owners have already own their desired titles. There were also less new HD DVD owners as the the gen1 players are mostly sold out and there werent any new players until mid December. No new owners - no movie sales. THe HD DVD threads are much more active than the Blu-ray threads ... (constant trolling from BD fan boys on the HD DVD thread might contribute to that too)

actually on the Videoscan data issue .. there are SERIOUS backpeddling by BD fan boys. all the 2-1 and 3-1 sales of Blu-ray against HD DVD during the week of January where these fanboys boasted about how the PS3 sales had contributed to that .. Now it appears that the the first two weeks of the date did not include the sales on the HD DVD/Standard DVD combo .. . you really should stop by and read some of threads, they are damnnnn funny ..



Because BDA prelaunch hypes have all been muted. They now have only supports. The sale players by intimidating consumers, telling them, "yeah please do go and buy HD DVD! but hold your breath on seeing our thousands of exclusive titles" .. All BD perceived advantages of the higher bit rate, bigger storage, 1080p are now muted. HD DVD players have consistently produced on par PQ if not better , better interactivity, amazing advance audio support, at half the price at lower bit rate, lower storage and in some intance, only at 1080i. Some HD DVD titles have even more features compared to the BD counter part when BD supposedly have a larger storage capasity.

Let me sumarise the advantages of Blu-ray on stages:

Pre HD DVD/Blu-ray launch - Prior to April 2006

BD is an advance alien technology that beats the crap out of the mere earth technology of HD DVD. Blu-ray was more advance is EVERY technological sense. Blu-ray has the support of everybody. and they are fighting against a Japanese CE black sheep - Toshiba. Microsoft was not even with HD DVD at that stage.

The General consensus during this stage was that. HD DVD will die in Toshiba womb. The format wont even develope into the fetus stage.

1080p
50GB
Higher Bit rate
Support
Better PQ/AQ (with all the higher spec - presumably BD will have better PQ/AQ)
More expensive (purchasers can brag that they have money to spend on the players)

Post HD DVD launch - April - June 2006

Early adopters revealed the jaw dropping amazing PQ of HD DVD albeit complaining about the slow start up, loading and other stuffs relating to first gen players.

The general consensus during this stage was - Blu-ray will wipe HD DVD of the face of the world like Iran swear they would do to the Jewish state of Israel, when Blu-ray is launch. Everybody was eagerly waiting for the launch of Blu-ray

1080p
50GB
Higher Bit rate
Support
Better PQ/AQ (with all the higher spec - presumably BD will have better PQ/AQ)
More expensive (purchasers can brag that they have money to spend on the players)

Post Blu-ray launch - From June 2006

The early adopters flew two tiny planes and dropped Fat Man and Little Boy on the Blu-ray camp. Samsung's player were slaughtered. Sony Pictures' early releases were scorned. Their Fifth Element has been renamed The Filth Element. Early adopters jumped on the HD DVD wagon because of that with HD DVD see a jump in their player sales.

(1080p advantage muted because HD DVD 1080i PQ surpassed Blu-ray 1080p)
50GB
(Higher Bit rate advantage muted because HD DVD PQ surpassed Blu-ray)
Support
(Better PQ/AQ - Muted because of the muted advantages mentioned above)
More expensive (purchasers can brag that they have money to spend on the players)

Post Panasonic and 50GB title launch

BD- detonated a grenade on its one camp by releasing Click on 50GB double layer disks. The release did nothing but dispel the myth that 50GB would help in improving PQ/AQ of Blu-ray.

(1080p advantage muted because HD DVD 1080i PQ surpassed Blu-ray 1080p)
(50GB advantage muted)
(Higher Bit rate advantage muted because HD DVD PQ surpassed Blu-ray)
Support
(Better PQ/AQ - Muted because of the muted advantages mentioned above)
(More expensive - no more an advantage - they are kinda rediculed for being you know .. paying 1/2 more for players that perform the same and with less feature

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sumary

The current advantage of Blu-ray = Support. They need to justified the 2x price tag with support. Where we all know that support do not interfere with production cost

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News flash, adult video producer, Vivid production house, the only adult studio that would produce adult titles in Blu-ray (north america), revealed that the authoring cost for Blu-ray is 4x more than HD DVD. The replication cost for Blu-ray is 3x more than HD DVD. Which make many believe that if HD DVD dies early in the format war, BDA would stop the subsidy for Blu-ray movie = meaning end consumers will have to pay more.

This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 5 2007, 04:01 AM

Care to post some links? I'd like to see where the more rational HD-DVDs folks reside in their section, and which thread shows the backpedalling of BD people. Maybe i skimmed through the first pages of HD-DVD, but last i left there, there were whinings about how HD-DVD not pushing out their titles more compared to the influx of numerous BD titles coming now. Also some kind of petition to Warner about the conspiracy theory of them wanting to maintain their neutrality and launching their titles on both HD-DVD and Bluray, but Bluray hitting snags on the development of BDJ and that delayed the HD-DVD title releases as well. Links, please?

that is one of them actually. HD DVD supporters prefer to better HD DVD. They want better players. See the constant complaint about bugs which were recorded and relayed to Toshiba by a HD DVD major retailer and by one of the big boy at Microsoft. The complaint about the fewer title announcement is also to better HD DVD, to let studios know that they are not happy. Lets face it, HD DVD group and supporters do not announce the death of the other format. They do not constantly having party to celebrate HD DVD's funeral. BD supporters should do not same to better Blu-ray and yet, they are defending the weakness of Blu-ray. Basically i think HD DVD supporters are doing more (by ways of critical evaluation of blu-ray) to better Blu-ray then Blu-ray supporters/apologists

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Added on February 5, 2007, 12:11 pmand oh by the way, the gen 2 Toshiba players are selling at $365.88 in the states right now ..

This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 5 2007, 12:11 PM

Links please?

please be specific - link for what? you said you saw hd dvd supporters complaining about the lack of content.

Links for that, especially the threads where the more rational HD-DVD folks are hanging out.

oh go to : http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/index.php? . The rational HD DVD supporters can be found in Blu-ray & HD DVD Areas in the HD DVD Players and HD DVD Softare threads.

Huh? That's where i always go! But when the HD-DVD section is filled with threads about boycotting HD-DVD over the low volume of new releases, anal-retentive HD-DVD supporters not buying titles because they are combo flippers, and planning petitions to Warner to debunk conspiracy theories about late released because of BDJ, is hardly a show of confidence in my books.

if you spend sometimes investigating the starters of such threads, you would realise that majority of these people are not HD DVD supporters. Just read their posting histories. I am amazed these people are not banned yet.

and may i ask what combo 'flippers' are you talking about. The thread was created sooo many times by BD fanboys even after it was pointed out SOOOO MANY times that combo is not flipper because you do not flip the disk. You either watch the Standard or the HD version. Why are you dessiminating FUD as the blu-ray fanboys are doing? A flipper is like a cassete withouthe auto reverse function. So please explain your intension on the flipper statement.

Take a look at the HD-DVD Software section, and see the ridiculousness of some of the HD-DVD buyers (i will write "buyer" here, since you say they might be Bluray supporters in disguise) not wanting to buy any of the projexted new titles because they are on combo discs, ie SD DVD on one side, HD-DVD on the other. Reason being, you need to flip it over to watch both parts of the movie, ie HD-DVD side for the movie, and SD side for the extras. How retarded is that?

And which part of my post before you posted there are FUDs? Those things i posted are the thread titles at the HD-DVD Software forum section, for God sake! If that section of the forum is a mess, im calling it as it is. I wouldnt know about conspiracy theories and such that you pointed out.

its not retarted at all. its logic and common sense. if a consumer doesnt have a HD DVD player, he/she only watches the standard version. No 'flipping' here. A HD DVD owner would NOT watch the standard dvd version especially the hd version and continously watching the standard version therefor the need for flipping. So again no flipping here. Any one with slight intelect would know that. .. soooo there is no instance for the combo disk to be a 'flipper'. Worst comes to worst, we have a weirdo wanting to watch standard version IMMEDIATELY after the HD version, yeah he would have to flip it. The worst applies to the same Blu-ray weirdo. He would need to do more than just flip then disk .. he would have to take about the BD disk, put it in the protective BD case. Take out the standard dvd from its case and insert it into the player. How MORE RETARDED is that?

Dude , are you in your own contained universe or are you even reading what i wrote? These HD-DVD folks who refuses to buy these new HD-DVD releases just because they are on combos! The rest uses the flipper excuse because they claimed that to see the extras , you need to flip over to the SD side. I certainly did not claim this, the folks at THAT thread does! Read first before proclaiming anything.

For someone who is supposed to be calm and rational as you claimed to be, you certainly FLIP OUT at the smallest instances or comments that you would perceive damaging to your precious HD-DVD. I was quoting the thread content here, not spreading FUD or belittling anything. Just that for whatever rationalizing you claim these HD-DVD people are, it seems that they arent that rational at all, when they refuses to buy HD-DVDs just because they are on combo discs and because they had to flip to the SD side to watch the extras. Now these arent my own words, these are the words of those folks at the said thread there, so dont kill the messenger. Dont get emotionally attached to your favourite format too either.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Feb 6 2007, 02:27 PM

and which titles would that be? titles with more feature in the standard version. whoohuuuuuu .. would be nice to check that one out

here we go again

what's the fuss about flipping the disc?
flipping has been around since the cassette era, side A, side B
then came the LD era, either you flip it or change to disc B, unless your player has a auto reverse function.

Same with DVD era, LOTR EE, anyone? 2 bloody disc for the movie, and 2 more bloody disc for the features! My Seven Samurai disk is a D10, so I'll have to flip it the middle of the movie. It's nice to take a short break to refill your drink/snacks, take a pee, hump someone, masturbate and etc...
I doubt anyone would want to sit on their sofa continuously for more than 3 hours no matter how comfortable is it.

I'll say flipper has nothing to do with BD or HD-DVD format... yeah... some might say, Hey!! format X has bigger storage, thus it can squeeze in all of the goodies in one disc!! So no flipping needed!!
I'll say screw those people who is lazy arse to find an excuse not to lift their fat ass from the sofa.
2 discs, 4 discs, 2-sided doesn't matter to me, as long as the studio gives me a good quality movie with all the goodies, I don't mind getting up to swap disc or flip disc.
Hey, who knows? Maybe one day those player maker will come out with a player that has multiple tray with auto reverse features! Good for those fat arsed couch potatoes! You can sleep, eat, shit, and screw on your couch without the need to getting up!!

Hmmm..really interesting thread...i am just sitting here..and keep checking this thread every day...two thumbs up for string and g5sim... I wonder why there isnt any specific section for HD here..... Hope, moderator is reading my post here..Thanks

i've done that before...
it's a real pain in the ass getting up after the fourth hour to change the damn disc
if 1 disc had it all,life would be a tad bit less stressful

it's not just about being lazy to change discs..
i dont know about other people,but i almost always eat my lunch/dinner in front of the tv/pc..while watching something..

if 1 disc has 4 hours of content,and im skipping through it,then i'd have to get up in the middle of my meal and change the disc when it is over

it is even worst that i have pets in the house,and i have to keep an eye on both my food and trying to pry open the dvd box

put all in one disc,easy life.
and what is technology if not making our life better/easier?

Toshiba's $999 HD XA2 HD DVD player beats Pioneer's $1,499 ELITE BDP-HD1 Blu-ray player in terms of upconverting standard dvd. And equal in hidef PQ. Oh further more, the HD XA2 decodes advance audio codec Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby Digital TrueHD (unlike the BDP-HD1) .. oh the HD XA2 offers amazing HDi interactivity support too (unlike the BDP-HD1 which cant do the currently available BD-J movies). So why are we paying the extra $500 (RM1,850 without tax)? ...

and oh btw -- online retailers are now selling the HD XA2 players at $799. So why pay the extra $700 (RM2,590)?



http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/07/toshiba...d-xa2-reviewed/

HD Guru has a review up of Toshiba's second-generation HD DVD player, the HD-XA2, which they gave top ratings. This is the higher-end of the two new HD DVD Toshiba models, and gets high marks for its improvements on the previous model, with faster loading times, 1080p support, a smaller form factor, and a much-improved chipset for upscaling standard-definition DVDs (the HD-A2 lacks 1080p and the improved upscaling chip).

It includes the Silicon Optix Reon chip for converting your old library of DVDs into 1080p -- or any other resolution supported with the HDMI 1.3a connector -- and also supports the Deep Color space offered by the new HDMI specification, for improved color reproduction with compatible source material.

According to HD Guru's tests, the Toshiba did better than Pioneer's competing first-generation BDP-HD1 Blu-ray player on upconverting SD DVDs, while matching it on quality for high-definition content.

Unfortunately, while the prices and feature sets on both next-gen formats are getting better and better, even this second-gen player takes between 45 and 57 seconds to boot and play a movie. Maybe the third generation will treat us right.

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oh i know why ... the BDP-HD1 takes faster than between 45 and 57 seconds to boot and play a movie.

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Well well what do we have here. Blu-ray won the next gen format war YET AGAIN!! They won before the launch of HD DVD, they won the war again during CEDIA last, they announced that they WON AGAIN during the CES last month, this month they AGAIN, announce that they WON AGAIN !!

10 years ago, the mass would have already eaten those words but not today. Sorry!! Combining Sony and FOX ... wow that is unbeatable in terms of credibility. Wasnt Sony that said they are shipping 4mil of PS3 last year. Wasnt they were the one who claimed to be selling 6mil PS3 by march. March is just days away and there are 700K PS3 sold. Oh wasnt FOX that told America of the weapon of mass destruction and brought USA to war in Iraq ..



Sony says Blu-ray is winning format war

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/8613.cfm

We reported a few days ago that figures from Nielsen VideoScan showed that Blu-Ray began to close its gap on HD DVD in January, outselling the format by a ratio of up to 3 to 1. Sony has been quick to use these figures along with its own research to declare the Blu-ray is winning the format war over HD DVD. As you might have guessed, Sony research also includes the PlayStation 3 (PS3).

Sony took an online survey that 100,000 PS3 owners took part in. The company claims that 90% of respondents had watched a Blu-ray movie with their PS3 already, and 80% planned to buy more Blu-ray releases. The Blu-ray camp has not been shy about admitting that PS3 plays a major role (if not the biggest) in Blu-ray's possible success over HD DVD.

The next-generation DVD format war has been so intertwined with the console war that experts believe they will decide the outcome of each other. The PS3 has an internal Blu-ray drive and Microsoft released an external HD DVD drive for the Xbox 360, selling 92,000 units before the end of 2006.

The PS3 will boost up the number of Blu-ray players in homes, but each Xbox 360 add-on drive sold has "definitely" been bought to play HD DVD movies - you get a Blu-ray player with a PS3 whether you are interested or not. Those on the HD DVD side will tell you that Sony's survey is just a "survey" and nothing solid or official and that VideoScan's ratings can be explained by the lack of new HD DVD titles.

However, those on the Blu-ray side can rest assured that the console will continue to sell, eventually leaving millions of homes with functional Blu-ray players and no add-ons necessary.


This post has been edited by g5sim: Feb 8 2007, 04:53 AM