Okay .. lets make this the most helpful thread. the thread to help people look for the MOST fuel efficient car available in Malaysia.

So the 650 Kancil consume the less fuel of all cars in Malaysia? Well the car consume even less fuel when they come out with the DVVT model?

what about Chevy Spark, Smart for 2, Naza Sutera (Picanto), Kelisa or even Savvy and Inokom Getz.

Proton Savvy is now rated as the most fuel-efficient car in Malaysia as verified by Malaysian Book of Records during an on-road test by Proton with the average fuel consumption of about 24 km/L (or about RM0.08/km of fuel), though Proton originally claimed that the average fuel economy was about 18 km/L.

go figure........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_Savvy

Toyota Prius.

err... tat car not available in Malaysia yet.. and it not consider so fuel efficiency just bcos it is hybrid..

My guess will be Kancil 850, Kelisa n Kenari with manual transmission.. City, Vios and D-Max!!

The car doesn't burn that much fossil fuel, so isn't it fuel efficient?

This post has been edited by feynman: Jan 22 2007, 04:31 AM

Ermmm, shouldn't the car that's quoted to be fuel efficient be supported with actual facts and figures???

This post has been edited by Chrisp_USA_13: Jan 22 2007, 04:34 AM

a test by Proton? on a proton car ?

why when ppl said proton savvy is the most fuel-efficient car in Malaysia sure got ppl bash it but when come to other brands ppl thumb up for it?

for sure is savvy, 18km/l, even win idsi...

Nowdays ppl put more importance of FC rather than performance.

Gone to the days where 0-100 is the top priority. Now it is replaced by km/litter.

Smart ForTwo, Smart ForFour, and Savvy are really fuel-efficient.

Kelisa my brother says fuel-efficient also, but I'm not so sure about it. Just wanna ask you all, is Savvy more fuel-efficient than Kelisa or the other way around?

Naza Sutera is not Picanto btw. Naza Suria is Picanto, and if it's Kia Picanto, they say makan petrol like minum air only. Not sure about Naza's one though.

Hmm Korean cars are not really good when it comes to fuel consumption ... so Inokom Getz might not be too fuel-efficient too since it is actually Hyundai Getz. But I'm really not sure because they might have change the engine (like now there's only 1.4L) instead of the Hyundai one where there's 1.3L and 1.6L if I'm not mistaken.

Chevvy Spark ah ... never hear anyone mention it before and I also don't have it ... so ... dunno ...

There's always other alternatives too ... like Honda cars with IDSI engines ... like City and Jazz. Good to drive too hehe

Oh, how about the new Perodua car, Viva I think? Any news about it?

i guess you've not been browsing around the FC related threads in F&F forum to actually notice the pattern huh?

2 cars that always get praise for FC.

1. Honda City I-DSI version
2. Proton SAVVY.

other cars worth mentioning (i think) are
1. Perodua Kelisa (which model i donno.....)
2. Toyota VIOS
3. Perodua Myvi

these models are based on what i remember when i browse those FC related threads, so feel free to find out more.

as to Kancil 650 - small CC doesn't mean better FC. you have to compare it to the car's weight. and i've not come by praise for Kancil 650 FC, Kelisa 1.0 on the other hand is known to have good FC.

the new FL getz got better mpg , 4.9liter/100km.. not bad.., this is not just a plain statement, they even tested it to prove it.

http://star-motoring.com/news/story.asp?fi...sec=ms_features

old news actually, but worth to check.

This post has been edited by kord: Jan 22 2007, 09:42 AM

Prius is CRAP, an overhyped car. Its exhaust emissions are higher than a Proton Savvy's.

Savvy's Renault D4F was developed as a fuel saving engine

http://www.renault.com/renault_com/en/imag...1120-305971.doc


new D4F
[quote]TCE 100 - a new petrol engine engineered for driving pleasure and low fuel consumption [/b

The beginning of 2007 will see Renault release its new petrol 1.2-litre TCE 100 engine aimed at the A- and B-segment models of its range. [b]Engineered for driving pleasure, it combines the fuel consumption of an engine of its size with the power of a 1.4-litre block and the torque of a 1.6-litre powerplant. Equipped with a low inertia turbo, it has been developed with a view to becoming the new benchmark in terms of performance and fuel consumption for its size. Its fuel consumption of just 5.9 litres/100km and CO2 emissions of just 140g/km make it a particularly fuel efficient and environmentally-friendly engine in readiness for the anticipated upturn in interest in petrol engines when the Euro5 standard comes into effect.

A turbo and 16 valves for genuine punch
Renault will use this new engine - known as "TCE 100" - to power both Modus and Clio, as well as Twingo's replacement which is due in 2007. Developed from the 1.2 16V 75hp block, it is equipped with a low inertia turbo that ensures minimal lag thanks to its small diameter turbine and compressor. Its maximum power of 100hp and peak torque of 145Nm are available at 5,500rpm and 3,000rpm respectively. The marriage of a small cubic capacity and a low inertia turbo ensures lively response from low revs, while maximum torque is available from low engine speeds and remains available across a broad rev-band. The turbocharger includes an "overpower" feature which temporarily boosts power output in 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears at engine speeds of more than 4,500rpm (5hp extra power and 6Nm extra torque).

Some 30 per cent of the TCE 100's components are new compared with the 75hp block. The new engine also benefits from several evolutions, notably sodium cooled valves for enhanced resistance to heat, oil jet-cooled pistons and optimized cylinder head cooling. The injectors, sparkplugs and coil are all specific to the TCE 100, while its sump is made from aluminium.

The four-into-one exhaust manifold has been carefully designed to optimize the flow of exhaust gases in order to maximize the delivery of energy to the turbine. Meanwhile, a tumble-effect movement of the air inside the cylinders favours combustion speed for enhanced chamber-filling efficiency and improved stability when idling.

A fuel efficient, environmentally-friendly engine
With a cubic capacity of 1,149cc, this small engine enables Modus and Clio to claim record combined cycle fuel consumption of 5.9 litres/100km, a figure to which its low idling speed of 650rpm contributes. With CO2 emissions homologated at 140g/km, the TCE 100 engine will also contribute to the "CAFE 2008" commitment made by Renault to achieve average CO2 emissions for its range of 140g/km by 2008. This engine is also a response to the anticipated revival in interest for petrol engines compared with small diesels when the Euro5 standard comes into effect in Europe.

The TCE 100 will be coupled to a manual five-speed gearbox. It is produced in Douvrin which has a weekly production capacity of 13,500 1.2-litre engines. Renault invested 80 million euros in its development.

TCE 100 engine - Technical Characteristics

Engine type D4Ft
Cubic capacity (cc) 1,149
Bore x Stroke (mm) 69 x 76.8
Number of cylinders / valves 4 / 16
Compression ratio 9.5:1
Maximum power (kW EEC / hp) 74 /100
at (rpm) 5,500
Maximum torque (Nm EEC) 145
at (rpm) 3,000
Maximum engine speed (rpm) 6,300
Injection type Multi-point sequential
Idling engine speed 650rpm
Emission standard Euro4

Yes you are quite right. Even the new Mercedes S-class had better emissions than the Prius. But I read in this forum before. A Prius selling for 200k. I think for fuel efficient car and decent performance, the Savvy (AMT or manual) would be a good choice.

A Prius would be more fuel efficient in the city than in the highway.

@ hypermount.
Will this new turbo engine be available with a purchase of a Savvy?

This post has been edited by tunertoobe: Jan 22 2007, 10:10 AM

Not for all though. FC is the last thing I consider when it comes to buying a car. For me, budget > looks > performance.

Cars such as kancil and kelisa are already very very reasonable on fuel consumption. Drive sensibly, mind your right foot and you can save yourself more km per-liter. What more do all these people want from a car actually? Car that runs on water and air with gold coming out from the exhaust?

This post has been edited by -=Axis=-: Jan 22 2007, 10:38 AM

hmm interesting .. actually the only Proton models i am soon ngan with are Savvy and Satria Neo .. dunno why, maybe the change of management .. but then that is way too late and Proton has been consistently and systematically killing consumer confidence since the last 20 years. Anyhow, i still think Savvy and MyVi are rediculously overpriced! drop few Ks Savvy would not be a bad choice after all.

IMO Savvy is still ok, you get AMT and stuff like that for around RM 40k.

i personally find Kancil 650 overpriced. a fresh-grad is not likely to able to afford even a 1st hand of the lowest spec Malaysian made car.

smart for 2 & smart roadster.
1L can do 20+km.

Agree. Actually a diesel saves more whales than the overrated hybrids!

That for me if i look for my 2nd car or for weekend rides.

Dont just say savvy or myvi are overpriced, basically ALL cars in Mysia are overpriced.

i think that savvy is more efficient, that is what i saw in the Star paper yesterday its writen there, 1lit = 18km.

just my 2 cents

smart for 2

Kancil 850 manual has much better FC then the 660 version. A friend and me once drove from KL to Penang. He drove his gf's 660 kancil, while i drove my wife's 850. Both cars manual.

He had to stop for petrol near Bukit Merah, while my car not only had enough petrol to reach Penang but could even ronda-ronda a bit before refilling. If I remembered correctly the FC calculation i made was around 56MPG...

assuming tank volume and weight are identical, the 660 will need more power to push the car compared to the 850.

yeah most probably...and also higher engine RPM to maintain same speed as 850...

660 kancil not economical at NSE speeds, unless u drive 70-80 all the time.

i vote for the city i-dsi

smart for 4

how about Honda civic Hybrid ?

get a bicycle la! ha ha ....no just joking...anyways, myvi is not bad though....can go to kl from malacca with 60%+- percent fuel left...and that's like avg speed of 130.

so if fetch family out need fetch 2-3 times lor?
this car is a toy for rich man...



how much the price ? like prius 270k++??

when u talk bout save petrol, must think of the car price as well in malaysia...

what for buy a 200k++ car just to save petrol ?

AFAIK the new batches of Myvi has better FC, some changes on the ECU.

Generally, hybrids in M'sia are well over 200k. Because hybrids have 2 motors, it will be heavier so they have to keep the weight down by fitting lightweight, cheap materials. Built quality wise, they are not up to par with other vehicles within that price range. So they will have awful resell value. In other words, the money you saved from petrol is gone as well on depreciation. Pretty pointless.

at the end of the day, it still depends on how heavy your right foot is.

big car with super light right foot and a smaller car with a super heavy right foot, i wont be surprise the big car will have better FC

floor a kancil 850 all the way and it will drink more fuel then you will ever know.

exactly fall under which batch...?
how to see which is better ECU...?

i believe the new kangoo turbo diesel 1.5litre would give a very good mileage

actually. IMO an independent diesel engine should be 2.0 litre to work properly without the aid of turbo. for 1.5 diesel, its a must to install turbo. don't get me wrong. cause 1.5 might seem underpower. even the wira 2.0 diesel still feels sluggish when it comes to the petrol versions. if it can provide good mileage then i think there should be not problem. any test rats?

for non local car.... jazz/city(not really a big big gap in between of idsi and vtec)/yaris/vios

for local car..... savvy/myvi/kelisa and kenari?? lol

all those i mention i think can give u atleast of 400KM per tank maybe i'm wrong about kelisa and kenari....

better get a realiable car to me... in the end... ur FC will be almost the same... if u get lets say vios... and u found out vios is good den u got heavy food instead... den idsi u feel power is not there so regreted in the end.... den savvy and myvi feels not much power also...... and small... if u got the budget.. should go for more realiable car...but not just good FC only... i dun mind having a medium FC with more realiability advantage car...

This post has been edited by eng98: Feb 5 2007, 01:15 AM

Agree, even i-dsi can barely reach 300km per tank mileage under the abuse of my friend's supernatural right foot.

hmm.. my friend's 660cc kancil does 180km for RM40 (full tank). My 1/6cc Vitara does 460km for RM90 (full tank). Something wrong with the Kancil?

DUDE, there's sumting definately wrong wit the kancil.... my mum's kancil takes us 80km (KL town driving) with RM 10. So with RM 40, our car can go 320km.... tats 100++km more than ur fren's car... better servis the engine, change the sparkplugs, check ur tyre pressure and if nothing improves.... send it in for a complete check...

This post has been edited by Mairex: Feb 5 2007, 03:57 PM

Thanks Mairex!
I figured there was something wrong with it as well...

I think Honda i-DSI will get my vote! Followed by Kelisa and Savvy!

jazz vtec 1.5-full tank rm70+ with vpower,rm60+ with primax,others no idea.

This post has been edited by ammar: Feb 5 2007, 08:22 PM

Driven like a tortoise, the kancil 660 manual can easily do 410km (city+highway) for RM40 fuel. Tyre pressure @ 230, new air filter every 5k since its so cheap ($8)..

if the kancil is auto, no comment - expect a wira 1.5A-like FC

This post has been edited by ceo684: Feb 5 2007, 09:06 PM

Motor powered bicycle


edit: kidding, i think kelisa 1.0 should be the best balance between performance/FC followed closely by savvy amt.

This post has been edited by kcng: Feb 6 2007, 12:22 AM

it is still fuel-efficient ...

HOWEVER, HYBRID's battery in the BOOT can only last 4-5 years

REPLACEMENT COST IS RM8000-12000 every time ...

I can verify that savvy is a very fuel efficient car as we can enjoy driving without ever thinking of the fuel.

model: kelisa 850, bought in Dec 2004. everything is stock, no mod.

i rarely use highway, so maybe 70% city driving.

the below tests are conducted around March last year.

1st test: Petronas @192cents/liter
20 liters = 410km
1.0 liter = 20.5km
4.9 liters =100km
1.0 rm = 10.7km

2nd test: Shell @192cents/liter
21 liters = 415km
1.0 liter = 19.8km
5.1 liters = 100km
1.0 rm = 10.3km

3rd test: Shell @192cents/liter
34.2 liters = 701 km
1.0 liter = 20.5 km
4.9 liters =100km
1.0 rm = 10.7km

4th test: Petronas @192cents/liter
23 liters = 421km
1.0 liter = 18.3 km
5.5 liters =100km
1.0 rm = 9.5 km

so, in average, maybe I can say that my kelisa fc = 19km/liter

how much can honda city do,in km/ltr?

maybe you would like to read this and summarize/list up the result?

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/314774

This post has been edited by ninjamerah: Feb 6 2007, 05:29 PM