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post Jul 26 2016, 08:17 AM, updated 10y ago

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During the 1998 Jakarta riots and attacks against the ethnic Chinese there, Indonesian money began flooding into Singapore's banking system. The amount is massive, a 1995 survey found ethnic Indonesian Chinese controlled 73% of the publicly listed companies on the Jakarta Stock Exchange and 68% of the top 300 conglomerates. These wealthy tycoons fled to Singapore, taking with them so much money that around US$200 billion worth of Indonesian capital is parked in Singapore today, a huge portion of the approximately US$470 billion of assets under management by private banks in the financial hub.

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The 1998 Jakarta riots and attacks against ethnic Chinese caused a massive outflow of capital from Indonesia

The Indonesian government last week launched a tax amnesty programme which allows all past evasion sins to be forgiven upon the payment of up to 5% tax on the money. The new law seeks to entice rich Indonesian taxpayers with undeclared or under-reported wealth or assets, both in the country and outside, to declare them voluntarily, in exchange for non-prosecution and major discount rates as incentives. It also encourages those with funds deposited overseas to repatriate and invest them in local bonds and schemes.

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Indonesian tycoons fled with so much money that it amounted to US$200 billion today, parked in Singapore

Indonesian Finance Minister Bambang Brodjonegoro issued a directive to outline specific guidelines for fund repatriation and reinvestment that the new programme is expected to produce. The minister alleged that too much money owned by Indonesia's rich are currently parked "in a specific country", which is apparent that he was referring to Singapore. The directive is easy. Indonesia would forgive any tax evasion crimes committed in the past, as long as the tycoons declared the money and pay 5% tax on it. Once done, the Indonesian law will treat that money as 'legal'.

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For years, Indonesia has claimed those money was gotten through illegitimate means during Suharto regime

"This will have an impact and some Indonesian money will flow out of Singapore, but still a lot of money will remain offshore," said a Singapore-based senior private banker, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the topic. "I have not seen tax amnesties work exceptionally well in other centers so it is unclear how effective this one will be." The Indonesian stock market had expected the successful implementation of the bill since its passage through parliament with the main stock index JKSE up 5% and foreign investors net buying around 10 trillion rupiah (US$763.65 million) since then.

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But now Indonesia is basically saying it would recognize those money as 'legal' as long as tycoons willing to pay a 5% tax on them

Any repatriated funds, since they would be considered legal then, will be allowed to be invested in instruments like government issued securities, stocks, bonds and mutual funds issued by private companies, as well as the direct purchase of properties. That would be appealing to the tycoons as Indonesia is a booming economy with 240 million people. Already, there are worries that this might lead to an outflow of assets from Singapore's massive wealth management industry.

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There are too many ultra-rich Indonesian Chinese tycoons living in Singapore and storing their money there

Among the 50 richest people in Indonesia, 40 are of ethnic Chinese descent, and many reside in Singapore. Singaporean consultants, lawyers and bankers closely involved with the industry expect roughly US$30 billion to go to Indonesia under the amnesty. After the passing of the law, Mr Brodjonegoro, the Finance Minister, went hostile against Singapore, even hinted that Singapore, fearing a massive capital flight, had been attempting to lobby the Parliament to block the Bill.

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After law passed, conspiracy theories surfaced that Singapore is working to thwart Indonesia's plan. Indonesian finance minister says he is not afraid of 'small' Singapore

The Indonesian finance minister went further by professing to believe in the theory that Singapore is somehow conspiring against the new law. "Let them do their worst. I am not afraid of Singapore; it's merely a tiny country," he reportedly told a parliamentary committee. Other politicians have also attacked Singapore by accusing Singaporean banks of imposing hurdles with a special scheme to leave their assets in the city state instead of repatriating them.

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Vice President Jusuf Kalla: Singapore is worried now because most of the money parked there are Indonesian money

"Every country wants to survive," Vice-President Jusuf Kalla told reporters. "It (only) proves what people always say that most of the money stashed in Singapore comes from Indonesia." Indonesian House of Representatives Speaker Ade Komarudin urged the Singapore Government not to thwart the tax amnesty programme. "I want to remind Singapore to put away the policy and I hope that (news about the incentive by banks) are not true, because it will very much obstruct the success of the Tax Amnesty Law," he said. "We've been friends for a long-time, don't ruin it for your ego", he added.

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The amnesty bill is Jokowi's attempt to reassure a group that dominate 70% of Indonesia's private economy

Mr Yustinus Prastowo, the executive director of Centre for Indonesia Taxation Analysis, told the Jakarta Globe he had heard about the offer first-hand from Indonesian businesspeople who have been approached personally by private agents. "This type of incentive is legal by law and the Indonesian government must be ready to face it. The money, regardless of its source, will become legal under the scheme," Mr Prastowo said.

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Jakarta has taken great steps to reconcile with its Chinese population since the 1998 tragedies

Singapore refuted the conspiracy theories. "The government of Singapore has denied allegations that several unnamed Singaporean banks have lured Indonesian customers to maintain their assets in the country," Singapore's Ministry of Finance and Monetary Authority of Singapore said in a statement. "Recent claims in the Indonesian media that Singapore is implementing policies to 'thwart' Indonesia's tax amnesty program are untrue," it said. Authorities also claimed that Singapore has not reduced tax rates or amended any of their policies in response to Indonesia's tax amnesty program.

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Singapore: We don't live in fear of anyone. We are small but we are successful

In regards to the Indonesian finance minister's statement, Singapore's Law and Home Affairs Minister K Shanmugam said he does not understand why there is "this constant attempt to put us down; and taunting us that we are small." Mr Shanmugam wrote that Singapore is good friends with Indonesia in the last 50 years. Both countries have cooperated on many matters, and both countries benefit from these good relations. "But every now and then, someone in Indonesia will tell us that we should know our place, a little red dot," he said. "Yes, we are a little red dot. We may be small. But we are respected and successful. And our people lead meaningful lives. And we don't live in fear of anyone else," he added.


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-indonesi...SKCN0ZY098?il=0
http://www.todayonline.com/world/asia/indo...s-stashed-spore
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-lure-investors
http://jakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/busines...mnesty-program/
http://fortune.com/2016/07/25/indonesias-t...w-in-singapore/
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapa...es/2981094.html

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Well business is business, loyal to the country is another thing, these ultra rich people already move their money out of country, they so free to move back in?
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memory of 1998 is very stronk.

if move back pun won't be all

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post Jul 26 2016, 08:25 AM

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trying to kill the ethnic chinese & thinking they will back indonesia up? History is history, these rich ppl are not dumb

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post Jul 26 2016, 08:26 AM

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No reason for any of them to move their money back. Singapore has shown itself to be safe and reliable over the years. Indonesia is largely unstable.
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Indonesia another screw up country with screw up government. Should just combine with dumno and hadi
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plz, try to wipe out the ethnic and now u beg for their return?

msia soon will be the same
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"Yes, we are a little red dot. We may be small. But we are respected and successful. And our people lead meaningful lives. And we don't live in fear of anyone else,"

Wow, how proud they are? Could we do the same or ...
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post Jul 26 2016, 08:34 AM

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Wrong wrong wrong, Malaysia tycoon like ATM, MO1 have way more money than anyone else in sgp.
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QUOTE(jemmi @ Jul 26 2016, 08:28 AM)
"Yes, we are a little red dot. We may be small. But we are respected and successful. And our people lead meaningful lives. And we don't live in fear of anyone else,"

Wow, how proud they are? Could we do the same or ...
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Sgp is the no1 in asean, how can they're not proud for a state w/o any natural resources.

We can be better but somehow it's only the current regime & their cronies can be better.




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post Jul 26 2016, 08:37 AM

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Anjing Indog want the people they discriminate to return back? Why the fuk would thay? Indog is indog.
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Not only that, they can Destroy sg and malaysia weather too. Burn all the fking trees down
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Hippihippo ni memang consistent with his presentation regarding our neighbours predicament

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post Jul 26 2016, 08:57 AM

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Indog and malingsial. Both country politician same pattern
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lol, seeing how the government wont admit the persecution back then....indonesian government can jerk themself off.
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post Jul 26 2016, 09:14 AM

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Singapore dollar is free floated, market determined.
Singapore has wealth management.
Singapore has hedging facilities.
SGD is a good shelter if local currency depreciate.
Freedom of movement of money with no questions ask.
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Singapore is the safe-haven for the ethnic Chinese who are rich and talent...
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So...

1) Bring back monies
2) Redo another '98
3) ???
4) PROFIT!!
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post Jul 26 2016, 09:19 AM

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Its a gold mine for Indonesia. I doubt these tycoons want to 'return', since there's no guarantees that Indonesia will honour the agreement (and besides, who would be stupid enough to admit that they moved their money before? It would just be literally presenting themselves in a silver platter right to the mouth of a tiger / crocodile / lion / whatever).

They underreported what happened in 98. That tragedy was real. Many people were beyond hurt. Entire families destroyed, daughters and mothers mass raped, brothers and fathers hacked beyond recognition.

Sure, there are lucky ones. There will be patriotic ones who stay with indonesia despite the crap shit they go through. But those who were lucky enough to escape, you think they'll go back just like that?

Its the same with what Malaysia did with "come home you pros" scheme (where trying to woo back the top gun pros in all industries to come back to serve in Malaysia), when quite a number of these people who left Malaysia (especially the non Bumis) did not benefit from the NEP (education, grants, etc).

Its a damage that needs a lot to do to reverse, to undone.
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lol it's not the laws, it's the people problem.
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china again will come to rescue one of ASEAN country
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chinese mainland money are far more bigger
compared to chinese indonesian
that been park inside singapore financial sector
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In Singapore, ada lui, ada amoi, ada protek, ada bungalow. Why go back Indon? Now manyak lui orang in retirement mode dy.
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Indonesian govt doesn't have the mechanism nor political will to investigate and prosecute those that don't repatriate the full or partial amounts also la...

I think they also know this and are just hoing that a target % will flow back.
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China mostly parked their money in Europe lar.

Just like Malaysian Muslim scholarship funds and "charities".

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Interesting that they didn't declare what would happen to those who refuse to accept the offer.
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Shameless shit pipu...

They caused harm to the Chinese ethnic pipu, knowingly that Chinese ethic pipu are rich, they shamelessly try to bring them back....


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desperate for money now Indon... what has been damaged is damaged... nothing can be done and forgiven...

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At most can do air pollution damage only
You think spore only layan your 'Chinese tycoons' meh
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post Jul 26 2016, 11:12 AM

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Move money back in and pay 5% tax? Crazy ka?
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Google "indonesia 1998 riot rape victim" image - see they still wanna go back or not...
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post Jul 26 2016, 11:17 AM

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businessman will still tap the opportunity to use indo cheap labor and big land to earn, however the earning will not necessarily be put back in indo, Singapore is a business hub, they can always do production in indo and keep business in Singapore.

not possible to put all wealth in indo back
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Lol who want go back shit hole
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The only thing I see Indonesia has potential is agriculture due to fertile soil. Other stuffs I would rather not invest, too risky even with government policy changes.
Those rich tycoons probably have some experts advising them and I would say atm Thailand and myanmar are the best SEA countries to invest.
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no way putting all eggs in a already rotten basket. Well as well divide and put into more favourable ones !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Indons just proved they're indeed stupid
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post Jul 26 2016, 11:23 AM

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haha. stupid indon might dont know or didnt do research hard enuff.

most chinese indonesian still refuse to accept or pump back to indon banks..


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QUOTE(andrewcha @ Jul 26 2016, 08:20 AM)
Well business is business, loyal to the country is another thing, these ultra rich people already move their money out of country, they so free to move back in?
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the indo gov has done enough harm to their citizens (both rich and the poor) before and during the 98 financial crisis, hence they saw a super massive outflow of monies/assets. they have had more than 15 years to rebuilt the trust and confidence of the public at large but they have failed to do so yet again. Those funds that flowed to Sg, some of which have already flowed out to other safe haven places in the past 10 years (for obvious diversification reasons). so i guess most of these indo ministers are either still sleeping on the job, or just making silly/childish remarks to spite the sg gov. nevertheless, the same can be said for some of the msian gov officials/ministers when it comes to making snide and unproductive statements/comments.
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soon lall rich beng ciao begging for mercy

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This Indo Vice President is very copycat.... All his remark was very similiar to UMNO machai remark ... I still recall that this Indo Vice President condemn us n SG for the air pollution.... "For the 11 month of clean air why not thanks Indo for it while air pollution like this condemn Indo" ...
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QUOTE(thesoothsayer @ Jul 26 2016, 08:26 AM)
No reason for any of them to move their money back. Singapore has shown itself to be safe and reliable over the years. Indonesia is largely unstable.
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Money make money. You don't get to be ultra rich without being greedy and opportunities to make money in Indo is better then Singapork at this moment.
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QUOTE(hyunterx @ Jul 26 2016, 11:07 AM)
At most can do air pollution damage only
You think spore only layan your 'Chinese tycoons' meh
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QUOTE(andrewcha @ Jul 26 2016, 08:20 AM)
Well business is business, loyal to the country is another thing, these ultra rich people already move their money out of country, they so free to move back in?
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trying to kill the ethnic chinese & thinking they will back indonesia up? History is history, these rich ppl are not dumb
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No reason for any of them to move their money back. Singapore has shown itself to be safe and reliable over the years. Indonesia is largely unstable.
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macam itu Msia punya Talentcorp programme. asking overseas msian professionals who is already established and good future in overseas to come back serve msia work under some crony idiots.

BOUND TO FAIL
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its always safer to put them in singapore, i guess alot of those rich tycoons will think like dis too

firstly sg is a chinese majority country, so those money is safer to be parked in a country of their same kind

n hw cn indonesia guarantee that the 1998 riot wil never happen again? thr is still racism n extremism in indonesia today
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Killing the chinese by indonesia's constitutional people and they expect chinese will help them back?

Indonesia is just full of themselves.
On the contrary, Indonesia chinese should remember the days of whom killed them.
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since indonesia fundamental on protectionist
is far far superior than malaysia

i'm scared they will only open yet again another pandora box
and based on history
what makes most indonesian "ticks" and commit this "purge"
because it's during asian 1998 financial crisis
even before the "purge"...
most indonesian tycoon already put their money safe oversea

even lunpia/popiah/spring roll also they protex mega_shok.gif
and this incident happen just last year

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Boring....1998 riot again and again....like there's no other topic
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Indonesia ministers trying to act high and mighty when in reality they are actually begging for all the Indonesian Chinese to reinvest the money.
Padan muka. Business is business. Who the hell would bring their money back to be songlapped?
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QUOTE(andrealiew @ Jul 26 2016, 11:40 AM)
its always safer to put them in singapore, i guess alot of those rich tycoons will think like dis too

firstly sg is a chinese majority country, so those money is safer to be parked in a country of their same kind

n hw cn indonesia guarantee that the 1998 riot wil never happen again? thr is still racism n extremism in indonesia today
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Kesian the chinese there, adopted indon name and speak indon still get targeted.

No wonder the country a shithole when everyone speak the same useless language
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Indonesia is still a very backward country despite access to modern education b'cos the mental development of their natives (many who are holding ministerial post) are many decades behind in the evolutionary process from people of the developed world.
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QUOTE(mirage2000 @ Jul 26 2016, 12:00 PM)
Kesian the chinese there, adopted indon name and speak indon still get targeted.

No wonder the country a shithole when everyone speak the same useless language
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well, u c in south east asia, 3 countries minorities suffered the most , us indonesia n brunei, n they all share the 1 common thing i guess u should noe unsure.gif unsure.gif

while other countries are much better, phillipines chinese hav virtually no discrimination, same goes to thailand, majoritiy of their prime ministers r of chinese descent
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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Jul 26 2016, 11:56 AM)
Boring....1998 riot again and again....like there's no other topic
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Just like the rest of his countrymen, he is in denial all the times about their dirty deeds.

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and they say malays are not racist
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Thats straight up murder.

Some people are more prone to violent outbreaks.
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QUOTE(andrealiew @ Jul 26 2016, 12:08 PM)
well, u c in south east asia, 3 countries minorities suffered the most , us indonesia n brunei, n they all share the 1 common thing i guess u should noe unsure.gif  unsure.gif

while other countries are much better, phillipines chinese hav virtually no discrimination, same goes to thailand, majoritiy of their prime ministers r of chinese descent
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QUOTE(tandynes @ Jul 26 2016, 12:27 PM)
Thats straight up murder.

Some people are more prone to violent outbreaks.
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The only thing I see Indonesia has potential is agriculture due to fertile soil. Other stuffs I would rather not invest, too risky even with government policy changes.
Those rich tycoons probably have some experts advising them and I would say atm Thailand and myanmar are the best SEA countries to invest.
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Singapore safe, stable,reliable,proven record. Indonesia macam loose cannon suka suka do what they want like cowboy or their father own the country, who wants put money there. No sense of security at all. Always give threat macam gangster, want people take them seriously need to be diplomatic and talk like gentlemen.
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This Indo Vice President is very copycat.... All his remark was very similiar to UMNO machai remark ... I still recall that this Indo Vice President condemn us n SG for the air pollution.... "For the 11 month of clean air why not thanks Indo for it while air pollution like this condemn Indo" ...
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If I was a RICH business man from Indo. with Money Parked in Singapore.

Why would I need to repatriate the MONEY back to Indonesia ??

Business Expansion.

Loan Money from Singapore at a LOWER Rate. Sent to Indo for my Business. Use my Fixed deposit as collateral. Business go bust in Indo. ? Blame it on Indo.


Bank Returns ( More Returns from Bank or Govn Securities )

Better interest rates from Govn securities and Banks ? Note the Exchange Rate. Interest of 4 to 5 % can be wipe OUT from Currency Exchange. Risk ?

Plus > Singapore Currency has been steady or appreciated again US$. So earn too.

Under ground Business ??

Likely the reason. So ..............

Why not attract the Middle East / South American business ?

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plz, try to wipe out the ethnic and now u beg for their return?

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anyways malaysia no ultra rich chinese that have not left yet.

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QUOTE(duckhole @ Jul 26 2016, 01:21 PM)
already happened the racial riot

anyways malaysia no ultra rich chinese that have not left yet.
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They did not LEAVE.

They where FORCED out !!! ( Quek, Shaw Bros, Wilmart, etc )

So the ELITE Malays can take over their BUSINESS.
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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Jul 26 2016, 10:59 AM)
boycott chinese

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They did not LEAVE.

They where FORCED out !!! ( Quek, Shaw Bros, Wilmart, etc )

So the ELITE Malays can take over their BUSINESS.
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memory of 1998 is very stronk.

if move back pun won't be all

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Pls. ELITE Malays took over nothing. What happened in the end? Still have to kow tow to Chinese masters when selling Sugar.
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So many monkeys in their cabinet talking out of line now b'cos jokowi is a puppet with strings to several strong political factions, unlike his predecessor SBY who was a strong and savvy leader.
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QUOTE(neoexcaliber @ Jul 26 2016, 11:00 AM)
Interesting that they didn't declare what would happen to those who refuse to accept the offer.
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fella not in indon what can they do?
cease his operations?
be my guest and do that and send millions of people of their own jobless and see what happens next icon_idea.gif
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We don't need any wealth damaging capabilities. Just clear the damn haze when it comes.
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QUOTE(andrealiew @ Jul 26 2016, 12:08 PM)
well, u c in south east asia, 3 countries minorities suffered the most , us indonesia n brunei, n they all share the 1 common thing i guess u should noe unsure.gif  unsure.gif

while other countries are much better, phillipines chinese hav virtually no discrimination, same goes to thailand, majoritiy of their prime ministers r of chinese descent
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QUOTE(Elgore @ Jul 26 2016, 02:31 PM)
fella not in indon what can they do?
cease his operations?
be my guest and do that and send millions of people of their own jobless and see what happens next  icon_idea.gif
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There are other ways to make them cough up the money, but it'll probably piss off the exiles even more and no idea if Singapore will bend like Switzerland did to the US. Besides, if the government took over those companies it wouldn't close down overnight. It'll be a slow decay unless they find someone capable to take over. I'm sure there would be less-rich Indonesians interested in taking over but that'll spook investors.
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QUOTE(neoexcaliber @ Jul 26 2016, 02:57 PM)
There are other ways to make them cough up the money, but it'll probably piss off the exiles even more and no idea if Singapore will bend like Switzerland did to the US. Besides, if the government took over those companies it wouldn't close down overnight. It'll be a slow decay unless they find someone capable to take over. I'm sure there would be less-rich Indonesians interested in taking over but that'll spook investors.
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deswai they cant do shit to them

the one on the losing end is definitely not those tycoons
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deswai they cant do shit to them

the one on the losing end is definitely not those tycoons
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In the long run, yes, the tycoons do lose since Indonesia's economy is booming. They can be either a part of it or settle for what they have.
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In the long run, yes, the tycoons do lose since Indonesia's economy is booming. They can be either a part of it or settle for what they have.
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QUOTE(Elgore @ Jul 26 2016, 03:11 PM)
as if only indon is the only place where they can invest
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Doesn't change the part where they cannot directly benefit much from Indonesia's booming economy.
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lol wtf ministers from that race all mouth so easily diarrhea one ar?

u freaking kill/rape their wife/children in 1997,that's why they run away
and now u asking them to give u 5% of their wealth to u?
and then to convince them more u go and threaten the country they stay/keep their money in?

lol

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lol wtf ministers from that race all mouth so easily diarrhea one ar?

u freaking kill/rape their wife/children in 1997,that's why they run away
and now u asking them to give u 5% of their wealth to u?
and then to convince them more u go and threaten the country they stay/keep their money in?

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So this actually serves as a lesson to "those" who like to tell others " You tak suka, you keluar" or to "balik tongsan" and these kinda shit.
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QUOTE(neoexcaliber @ Jul 26 2016, 03:06 PM)
In the long run, yes, the tycoons do lose since Indonesia's economy is booming. They can be either a part of it or settle for what they have.
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indonesia is about to bloom...meanwhile singkie has been blooming for past tens of yrs...

and why they wanna go back indon when there's canada, japan, hongkong and even vietnam to invest on?
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One day Brunei will be begging their cainis for help, followed by this country.
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not brunei...that country is rich AF.....aint gonna beg...
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not brunei...that country is rich AF.....aint gonna beg...
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U think Indonesia was poor all this while? It used to be a great kingdom once. There's no guarantee that Brunei will stay the same.
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U think Indonesia was poor all this while? It used to be a great kingdom once. There's no guarantee that Brunei will stay the same.
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it was..hmm..guess i never read indon history
i thought all these while also pretty bad lol
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QUOTE(Pork Chop the 3rd @ Jul 26 2016, 03:25 PM)
indonesia is about to bloom...meanwhile singkie has been blooming for past tens of yrs...

and why they wanna go back indon when there's canada, japan, hongkong and even vietnam to invest on?
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The same reason companies are investing in Vietnam; to cash in on a developing country. The others you've listed are already developed and very competitive. Besides, doesn't negate the part where I said the tycoons risk losing out on Indonesia's boom if they don't return.
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QUOTE(neoexcaliber @ Jul 26 2016, 03:47 PM)
The same reason companies are investing in Vietnam; to cash in on a developing country. The others you've listed are already developed and very competitive. Besides, doesn't negate the part where I said the tycoons risk losing out on Indonesia's boom if they don't return.
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but why wanna return to indon with 5% tax when u can jst go migrate to vietnam or other developing countries?

unless ur saying other countries already developed like singkie and indon's the only one about to bloom..

else ur making it sound as if indon is the only way for them to get rich...while all other countries arent applicable


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QUOTE(RGRaj @ Jul 26 2016, 04:37 PM)
U think Indonesia was poor all this while? It used to be a great kingdom once. There's no guarantee that Brunei will stay the same.
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from individual to dynasty,race or religion.... if they have their "glorious" past and keep on harping on that always , the are bound to fail.

most of the people and countries ALREADY MOVED ON .

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QUOTE(Pork Chop the 3rd @ Jul 26 2016, 03:49 PM)
but why wanna return to indon with 5% tax when u can jst go migrate to vietnam or other developing countries?

unless ur saying other countries already developed like singkie and indon's the only one about to bloom..

else ur making it sound as if indon is the only way for them to get rich...while all other countries arent applicable
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They made their money in Indonesia and they still own companies in Indonesia. It's not like they cashed out, packed everything and left. They can still make money based on what they currently own but they cannot freely expand capital on their own since they'd have to declare the source of the money. They know Indonesian market. They have an advantage in Indonesia. They know how to make more money there. Isn't that the reason the Indonesian government is tempting them with a flat 5% tax? Even Trump promised to offer American MNCs the same deal (at a different tax rate) if he gets elected.
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QUOTE(neoexcaliber @ Jul 26 2016, 03:53 PM)
They made their money in Indonesia and they still own companies in Indonesia. It's not like they cashed out, packed everything and left. They can still make money based on what they currently own but they cannot freely expand capital on their own since they'd have to declare the source of the money. They know Indonesian market.  They have an advantage in Indonesia. They know how to make more money there. Isn't that the reason the Indonesian government is tempting them with a flat 5% tax? Even Trump promised to offer American MNCs the same deal (at a different tax rate) if he gets elected.
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for those who have left indon since 1997/98, i doubt they wanna return now - which is after close to 20yrs...

for those who's still in indon making money with huge stash of their money in singkie..mostly they will jst retire in singkie or seek out countries that would appreciate them like NZ or those countries that have my2ndhomeplan...the worst is when one's 60+ yrs of age and suddenly got racial riot...

so still no reason to go back
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QUOTE(Pork Chop the 3rd @ Jul 26 2016, 03:56 PM)
for those who have left indon since 1997/98, i doubt they wanna return now - which is after close to 20yrs...

for those who's still in indon making money with huge stash of their money in singkie..mostly they will jst retire in singkie or seek out countries that would appreciate them like NZ or those countries that have my2ndhomeplan...the worst is when one's 60+ yrs of age and suddenly got racial riot...

so still no reason to go back
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You're disregarding the part where many of those tycoons still hold companies and some portion of their wealth in Indonesia. They're still Indonesians. Besides, not all those tycoons are residing in Singapore. The offer applies to even those currently living in Indonesia but have dabbled in tax evasion in the past.
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The Doer: doing things without announcing /battle cry.

the Wannabee doer: Start battle cry assumming impending victory, but end up losing/backing out of the war.
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Kind of a dumb thing to do. Bring money back into indon will cause a sudden surge in money supply, which means inflation, further devaluing the currency.

Sinkapork on the other hand, will have a deflation, whilst may be damaging to their economy, may be more resilient depending on % of outflow vs % of GDP.
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QUOTE(neoexcaliber @ Jul 26 2016, 04:05 PM)
You're disregarding the part where many of those tycoons still hold companies and some portion of their wealth in Indonesia. They're still Indonesians. Besides, not all those tycoons are residing in Singapore. The offer applies to even those currently living in Indonesia but have dabbled in tax evasion in the past.
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i know..deswai i gave 2 scenario; 1 if they no longer reside in indon since the riot and 2 on those who still are.

eventually majority of them will sell off their shares in the company and move on to other countries...because they are those who get to witness the brutality of how their fellow countrymen raped and mutilate other fellow countrymen due to skin color difference.

i am sure many still have vivid image lingering on their mind where wimmenz have their tits cut off and cigarette butts stuff into their vaginas.

the new generation might not have seen that unless they go google internet for it..the older successful ones are those who have witness it themselves, or have lost family members themselves..or have seen friend's family members got chopped there

any of those images will haunt them forever
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Jul 26 2016, 04:07 PM)
There are 2 types of leader:

The Doer:  doing things without announcing /battle cry.

the Wannabee doer: Start battle cry assumming impending victory, but end up losing/backing out of the war.
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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Jul 26 2016, 03:23 PM)
So this actually serves as a lesson to "those" who like to tell others " You tak suka, you keluar" or to "balik tongsan" and these kinda shit.
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Well... you must see the real message behind those words. It's "you tak suka, you keluar! Tapi duit lu kami amik!"

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They are happily living in singapork, what for going back to indon?
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They are happily living in singapork, what for going back to indon?
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QUOTE(RoschaCH @ Jul 26 2016, 04:37 PM)
and if the less-rich Indonesians do it right and they become rich Indonesians, they will park their money in singapore.
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As long as they don't evade taxes, sure. That's the reason the Indonesian government is offering amnesty, other than getting a portion of the previous outflow back.
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Look back 1998 until now. Indonesia had progressed a lot.
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move back to indon need pay tax, but if didn't move no need pay tax and enjoy life in SG and many other places why bother woR...?
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Meanwhile in malangsia keep chasing the money away
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QUOTE(feekle @ Jul 26 2016, 08:25 AM)
trying to kill the ethnic chinese & thinking they will back indonesia up? History is history, these rich ppl are not dumb
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indon should force them to bring back money or else, take all their business in indon. those rick people making their money in indon and still making money in indon.

without indon market, they wont be able to keep their bisnes.

Singapore got how many people? Probably need to time 100 to reach Singapore people.
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QUOTE(Dreadstar @ Jul 26 2016, 04:05 PM)
indon oh indon ... pergi mati lah

shithole of asean.
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O really ? in the past we are The Atlantis, then Srivijaya , then Majapahit ....we are the asean People for real....and today our identity is Indonesia, what your basic logic to call us sh1thole of asean ?
Where you came from ? mainland ? even if you a malay race, you still part of Indon then, in the term of Nusantara cool2.gif
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QUOTE(abcdefghijklollol @ Jul 26 2016, 05:20 PM)
O really ? in the past we are The Atlantis, then Srivijaya , then Majapahit ....we are the asean People for real....and today our identity is Indonesia, what your basic logic to call us sh1thole of asean ?
Where you came from ? mainland ? even if you a malay race, you still part of Indon then, in the term of Nusantara cool2.gif
If you hate this region, you can go out from here, we dont need you....Ini nusantara milik sape ?! cool2.gif
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Indonesia ministers trying to act high and mighty when in reality they are actually begging for all the Indonesian Chinese to reinvest the money.
Padan muka. Business is business. Who the hell would bring their money back to be songlapped?
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nono, not begging at all

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Go back only to be killed again? They must be really stupid to think so.
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indon should force them to bring back money or else, take all their business in indon. those rick people making their money in indon and still making money in indon.

without indon market, they wont be able to keep their bisnes.

Singapore got how many people? Probably need to time 100 to reach Singapore people.
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Indon never successful, thats why despite having good gdp or growth their country still a shithole.

All the money feed their leaders but its ok........ orang kite.

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i personally knew several indonesia millionaire that still doing business indonesia and SEA region, they losing family and children during that event. their sent their childs and family to sg,my,jpn, aus, western countries. told them never ever step into indonesia ever.

even those thats not so rich family, also trying to sent their children abroad if possible

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well if 1998 Chinese Massacre didn't happen, surely the Chinese will help. BUT CHINESE ARE NOT ONE TO FORGET, WWII Japan is one of it for example.
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Indonesia another screw up country with screw up government. Should just combine with dumno and hadi
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If that's my money, I rather park in Singapore than Indonesia
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After all those rapes and murder, now you want them to give you their money?

Wert?
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Indon r doing very well especially these few years imo
the pool of market is overwhelming
those money sooner later will flow back there, riches seek oppo & ROI not vegeance
abeit not all
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sometimes i dono whether ur article is true or not, or only based on your own pov.
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Singapore: We don't live in fear of anyone. We are small but we are successful


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sometimes i dono whether ur article is true or not, or only based on your own pov.
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the latest proven fact that Indonesian Chinese tycoons parked their USD200bil money in Singapore banks already become its own POV by now
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sg lastime got the very big note i think 1keping SGD10ribu
people joking say purpose design for smuggling luit
i had seen it dunno now still got or not la
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the latest proven fact that Indonesian Chinese tycoons parked their USD200bil money in Singapore banks already become its own POV by now
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bside indon, many nations including MY also got la. but no see other country ask thos ppl to pay tax? don even find any related thing on google stating that indon gomen ask tycoon pay tax; thats why ridicule lo whether this kind of news is article-worthy or is just simply based on ts 2 cents.
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Indonesia is a place that will always attract 'dirty' money and corporations. As mentioned in the article anything illegal can be made legal just by paying the right amount of money to the right people.

A recent article about a company director from that country wanted by SG authority:
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singap...ts/2780446.html


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QUOTE(bingding @ Jul 27 2016, 10:27 AM)
bside indon, many nations including MY also got la. but no see other country ask thos ppl to pay tax? don even find any related thing on google stating that indon gomen ask tycoon pay tax; thats why ridicule lo whether this kind of news is article-worthy or is just simply based on ts 2 cents.
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its not TS 2cents,its fact, its real, its a proven truth that you cannot ignore, you simply cannot deny its a big thing

its a truth that almost half of deposits in Singapore banks are coming from Chinese Indonesian tycoons


http://fortune.com/2016/07/25/indonesias-t...w-in-singapore/

Singapore’s wealth management industry is likely to suffer a bad dent as rich Indonesians move some money back home to take advantage of a tax amnesty, but the exodus of funds isn’t going to be as big as Jakarta is predicting.

Around $200 billion of Indonesian money that may not have been declared to the tax authorities in Jakarta has been squirreled away in Singapore, according to private banking sources. It is a huge portion of the approximately $470 billion of assets under management by private banks in the financial hub.
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They are also butthurt that SG is managing the airspace over the Riau islands as the international communities have higher trust and respect SG management than them. laugh.gif

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singap...ke/2152422.html
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QUOTE(destiny6 @ Jul 26 2016, 05:01 PM)
move back to indon need pay tax, but if didn't move no need pay tax and enjoy life in SG and many other places why bother woR...?
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u dont read all of them? or simply stupid & really dumbfuck dont know what's Indonesia govt offerings are?

TLDR:all these while, those USD200bil money were taxed at 20% as per Singapore's standard income-tax bracket, now Indonesia govt offers only 5% income-tax bracket

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-indonesi...SKCN0ZY098?il=0

http://www.todayonline.com/world/asia/indo...s-stashed-spore

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-lure-investors

http://jakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/busines...mnesty-program/

http://fortune.com/2016/07/25/indonesias-t...w-in-singapore/

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapa...es/2981094.html
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If that's my money, I rather park in Singapore than Indonesia
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in Singapore, the money is taxed 20%
under Indonesia govt tax amnesty program, Indonesia govt willing to just tax the money at 5% only
so choose your pick
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QUOTE(hypervisor @ Jul 27 2016, 10:57 AM)
its not TS 2cents,its fact, its real, its a proven truth that you cannot ignore,  you simply cannot deny its a big thing

its a truth that almost half of deposits in Singapore banks are coming from Chinese Indonesian tycoons
http://fortune.com/2016/07/25/indonesias-t...w-in-singapore/

Singapore’s wealth management industry is likely to suffer a bad dent as rich Indonesians move some money back home to take advantage of a tax amnesty, but the exodus of funds isn’t going to be as big as Jakarta is predicting.

Around $200 billion of Indonesian money that may not have been declared to the tax authorities in Jakarta has been squirreled away in Singapore, according to private banking sources. It is a huge portion of the approximately $470 billion of assets under management by private banks in the financial hub.
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ok then. wow, i dono that chinese indon are so rich. there are merely a few million of chinese indon out of 200 million indons. how da heck they become so rich despite the ultra racism towards chinese in indon?? lihai betul?
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it look very promising but it is day dreaming,
if u have so many money in singapore back just invest a bit in singapore and be a singaporean already

no need look back 2 indonesia
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QUOTE(bingding @ Jul 27 2016, 11:10 AM)
ok then. wow, i dono that chinese indon are so rich. there are merely a few million of chinese indon out of 200 million indons. how da heck they become so rich despite the ultra racism towards chinese in indon?? lihai betul?
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dont know if you are
1)purely stupid & dumbfuck
or
2)don't want to acknowledge the fact/ignoring the fact

FACT
that currently Singapore private banks are holding USD470bil foreign deposits & USD200bil of them (nearly half of it) are owned by Chinese Indonesia tycoons

the truth & facts all already written, plain & simple writings

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dont know if you are
1)purely stupid & dumbfuck
2)don't want to acknowledge the fact/ignoring the fact

FACT
that currently Singapore private banks are holding USD470bil foreign deposits & USD200bil of them (nearly half of it) are owned by Chinese Indonesia tycoons

the truth & facts all already written, plain &  simple writings
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u ignorant retardo f*k, i said how those indochinese got so much money to begin with!!
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u ignorant retardo f*k, i said how those indochinese got so much money to begin with!!
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lelel dumbfuck
not a relevant question at all

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it look very promising but it is day dreaming,
if u have so many money in singapore back just invest a bit in singapore and be a singaporean already

no need look back 2 indonesia
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That's common sense. biggrin.gif
I suspect too that many of these were fronts/proxies for corrupted officials, who made the smart move of getting residentship/citizenship for their families in SG, and will never step foot on Indonesian soil anymore.
This is a trick to lure them back by those corrupted officials, but it is not gonna work. Those indo goons have been pwn. laugh.gif
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bside indon, many nations including MY also got la. but no see other country ask thos ppl to pay tax? don even find any related thing on google stating that indon gomen ask tycoon pay tax; thats why ridicule lo whether this kind of news is article-worthy or is just simply based on ts 2 cents.
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it is the amnesty tax law described in the article.

taken from fortune website

Singapore's wealth management industry is likely to suffer a bad dent as rich Indonesians move some money back home to take advantage of a tax amnesty, but the exodus of funds isn't going to be as big as Jakarta is predicting.

Around $200 billion of Indonesian money that may not have been declared to the tax authorities in Jakarta has been squirreled away in Singapore, according to private banking sources. It is a huge portion of the approximately $470 billion of assets under management by private banks in the financial hub.

Consultants, lawyers and bankers closely involved with the industry expect roughly $30 billion to go to Indonesia under the amnesty, which was launched last week and allows all past evasion sins to be forgiven upon the payment of up to 5% tax on the money.

QUOTE(bingding @ Jul 27 2016, 11:10 AM)
ok then. wow, i dono that chinese indon are so rich. there are merely a few million of chinese indon out of 200 million indons. how da heck they become so rich despite the ultra racism towards chinese in indon?? lihai betul?
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it was one of the factors that triggered the riot. you just take a look at forbes indonesia list

http://www.forbes.com/indonesia-billionaires/

did you know among the top 10, hartono, wonowidjojo, salim, widjaja, karim, setiawan, riady and tahir are all indonesian chinese? it is that they carry indonesian names.

and the disparities is so great they are much more economically powerful than their counterparts in malaysia. there is a wide perception that the 3 percent indonesian chinese controlled 70 percent of the economy. when president habibie in a july 1998 interview with the washington post said that indonesia was not dependent on ethnic chinese businessmen, the rupiah's value plunged 5 percent immediately because these tycoons dumped them on the market. this unexpected reaction prompted immediate changes in his policies and attitudes. not my pov, you can read in wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Indon...onomic_aptitude
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it is the amnesty tax law described in the article.

taken from fortune website

Singapore's wealth management industry is likely to suffer a bad dent as rich Indonesians move some money back home to take advantage of a tax amnesty, but the exodus of funds isn't going to be as big as Jakarta is predicting.

Around $200 billion of Indonesian money that may not have been declared to the tax authorities in Jakarta has been squirreled away in Singapore, according to private banking sources. It is a huge portion of the approximately $470 billion of assets under management by private banks in the financial hub.

Consultants, lawyers and bankers closely involved with the industry expect roughly $30 billion to go to Indonesia under the amnesty, which was launched last week and allows all past evasion sins to be forgiven upon the payment of up to 5% tax on the money.
it was one of the factors that triggered the riot. you just take a look at forbes indonesia list

http://www.forbes.com/indonesia-billionaires/

did you know among the top 10, hartono, wonowidjojo, salim, widjaja, karim, setiawan, riady and tahir are all indonesian chinese? it is that they carry indonesian names.

and the disparities is so great they are much more economically powerful than their counterparts in malaysia. there is a wide perception that the 3 percent indonesian chinese controlled 70 percent of the economy. when president habibie in a july 1998 interview with the washington post said that indonesia was not dependent on ethnic chinese businessmen, the rupiah's value plunged 5 percent immediately because these tycoons dumped them on the market. this unexpected reaction prompted immediate changes in his policies and attitudes. not my pov, you can read in wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Indon...onomic_aptitude
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thank kiu for your explanation. just what i wanted. just one curious ques though, before 1998; how the heck did those chinese indon get so freaking rich? i mean after ww2, only then those chinese run away from china to indon right? how come so fast become rich? the local indons so easy give them land givee them money earn meh?
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QUOTE(bingding @ Jul 27 2016, 12:15 PM)
thank kiu for your explanation. just what i wanted. just one curious ques though, before 1998; how the heck did those chinese indon get so freaking rich? i mean after ww2, only then those chinese run away from china to indon right? how come so fast become rich? the local indons so easy give them land givee them money earn meh?
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trust me if you go to some very poor african nations to setup businesses now. say not much native people there do business, entire village or town only you selling basic things like food, clothing. money would come fast.

and then if afterwards that african country enjoys a period of stability and rapid growth, boom into a lower-middle income economy, you earn even faster and maybe open more branches.

soon you have stocked up some money. you see the wages of the country is very low vs surrounding nations. you proceed to setup agricultural plantation or factories using local cheap labors, then export the products elsewhere. you become even more rich.

the country boom further and more people have spare money to spend. seeing this you go to setup shops selling household products, furniture, computers, things that people can't afford in the past but able to buy now. you smile as people consume more.

over times you built up a conglomerate of businesses. you now have 20 companies with thousand of shops, factories and hectares of plantations. without you knowing your businesses may have already accounted for 0.5% of the economy. you check your bank, it is already 9 or 10 digits.

this is the same story for those indonesian chinese tycoons.


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During the 1998 Jakarta riots and attacks against the ethnic Chinese there, Indonesian money began flooding into Singapore's banking system. The amount is massive, a 1995 survey found ethnic Indonesian Chinese controlled 73% of the publicly listed companies on the Jakarta Stock Exchange and 68% of the top 300 conglomerates. These wealthy tycoons fled to Singapore, taking with them so much money that around US$200 billion worth of Indonesian capital is parked in Singapore today, a huge portion of the approximately US$470 billion of assets under management by private banks in the financial hub.

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The 1998 Jakarta riots and attacks against ethnic Chinese caused a massive outflow of capital from Indonesia

The Indonesian government last week launched a tax amnesty programme which allows all past evasion sins to be forgiven upon the payment of up to 5% tax on the money. The new law seeks to entice rich Indonesian taxpayers with undeclared or under-reported wealth or assets, both in the country and outside, to declare them voluntarily, in exchange for non-prosecution and major discount rates as incentives. It also encourages those with funds deposited overseas to repatriate and invest them in local bonds and schemes.

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Indonesian tycoons fled with so much money that it amounted to US$200 billion today, parked in Singapore

Indonesian Finance Minister Bambang Brodjonegoro issued a directive to outline specific guidelines for fund repatriation and reinvestment that the new programme is expected to produce. The minister alleged that too much money owned by Indonesia's rich are currently parked "in a specific country", which is apparent that he was referring to Singapore. The directive is easy. Indonesia would forgive any tax evasion crimes committed in the past, as long as the tycoons declared the money and pay 5% tax on it. Once done, the Indonesian law will treat that money as 'legal'.

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For years, Indonesia has claimed those money was gotten through illegitimate means during Suharto regime

"This will have an impact and some Indonesian money will flow out of Singapore, but still a lot of money will remain offshore," said a Singapore-based senior private banker, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the topic. "I have not seen tax amnesties work exceptionally well in other centers so it is unclear how effective this one will be." The Indonesian stock market had expected the successful implementation of the bill since its passage through parliament with the main stock index JKSE up 5% and foreign investors net buying around 10 trillion rupiah (US$763.65 million) since then.

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But now Indonesia is basically saying it would recognize those money as 'legal' as long as tycoons willing to pay a 5% tax on them

Any repatriated funds, since they would be considered legal then, will be allowed to be invested in instruments like government issued securities, stocks, bonds and mutual funds issued by private companies, as well as the direct purchase of properties. That would be appealing to the tycoons as Indonesia is a booming economy with 240 million people. Already, there are worries that this might lead to an outflow of assets from Singapore's massive wealth management industry.

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There are too many ultra-rich Indonesian Chinese tycoons living in Singapore and storing their money there

Among the 50 richest people in Indonesia, 40 are of ethnic Chinese descent, and many reside in Singapore. Singaporean consultants, lawyers and bankers closely involved with the industry expect roughly US$30 billion to go to Indonesia under the amnesty. After the passing of the law, Mr Brodjonegoro, the Finance Minister, went hostile against Singapore, even hinted that Singapore, fearing a massive capital flight, had been attempting to lobby the Parliament to block the Bill.

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After law passed, conspiracy theories surfaced that Singapore is working to thwart Indonesia's plan. Indonesian finance minister says he is not afraid of 'small' Singapore

The Indonesian finance minister went further by professing to believe in the theory that Singapore is somehow conspiring against the new law. "Let them do their worst. I am not afraid of Singapore; it's merely a tiny country," he reportedly told a parliamentary committee. Other politicians have also attacked Singapore by accusing Singaporean banks of imposing hurdles with a special scheme to leave their assets in the city state instead of repatriating them.

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Vice President Jusuf Kalla: Singapore is worried now because most of the money parked there are Indonesian money

"Every country wants to survive," Vice-President Jusuf Kalla told reporters. "It (only) proves what people always say that most of the money stashed in Singapore comes from Indonesia." Indonesian House of Representatives Speaker Ade Komarudin urged the Singapore Government not to thwart the tax amnesty programme. "I want to remind Singapore to put away the policy and I hope that (news about the incentive by banks) are not true, because it will very much obstruct the success of the Tax Amnesty Law," he said. "We've been friends for a long-time, don't ruin it for your ego", he added.

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The amnesty bill is Jokowi's attempt to reassure a group that dominate 70% of Indonesia's private economy

Mr Yustinus Prastowo, the executive director of Centre for Indonesia Taxation Analysis, told the Jakarta Globe he had heard about the offer first-hand from Indonesian businesspeople who have been approached personally by private agents. "This type of incentive is legal by law and the Indonesian government must be ready to face it. The money, regardless of its source, will become legal under the scheme," Mr Prastowo said.

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Jakarta has taken great steps to reconcile with its Chinese population since the 1998 tragedies

Singapore refuted the conspiracy theories. "The government of Singapore has denied allegations that several unnamed Singaporean banks have lured Indonesian customers to maintain their assets in the country," Singapore's Ministry of Finance and Monetary Authority of Singapore said in a statement. "Recent claims in the Indonesian media that Singapore is implementing policies to 'thwart' Indonesia's tax amnesty program are untrue," it said. Authorities also claimed that Singapore has not reduced tax rates or amended any of their policies in response to Indonesia's tax amnesty program.

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Singapore: We don't live in fear of anyone. We are small but we are successful

In regards to the Indonesian finance minister's statement, Singapore's Law and Home Affairs Minister K Shanmugam said he does not understand why there is "this constant attempt to put us down; and taunting us that we are small." Mr Shanmugam wrote that Singapore is good friends with Indonesia in the last 50 years. Both countries have cooperated on many matters, and both countries benefit from these good relations. "But every now and then, someone in Indonesia will tell us that we should know our place, a little red dot," he said. "Yes, we are a little red dot. We may be small. But we are respected and successful. And our people lead meaningful lives. And we don't live in fear of anyone else," he added.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-indonesi...SKCN0ZY098?il=0
http://www.todayonline.com/world/asia/indo...s-stashed-spore
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-lure-investors
http://jakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/busines...mnesty-program/
http://fortune.com/2016/07/25/indonesias-t...w-in-singapore/
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapa...es/2981094.html
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with this happening..gahment say giv zero tax for indon chinese to move their asset back i also think konlanfirm no indon chinese want..

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4017395

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