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post Jul 27 2016, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(11c @ Jul 26 2016, 08:38 PM)
If that's my money, I rather park in Singapore than Indonesia
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in Singapore, the money is taxed 20%
under Indonesia govt tax amnesty program, Indonesia govt willing to just tax the money at 5% only
so choose your pick
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post Jul 27 2016, 11:10 AM

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QUOTE(hypervisor @ Jul 27 2016, 10:57 AM)
its not TS 2cents,its fact, its real, its a proven truth that you cannot ignore,  you simply cannot deny its a big thing

its a truth that almost half of deposits in Singapore banks are coming from Chinese Indonesian tycoons
http://fortune.com/2016/07/25/indonesias-t...w-in-singapore/

Singapore’s wealth management industry is likely to suffer a bad dent as rich Indonesians move some money back home to take advantage of a tax amnesty, but the exodus of funds isn’t going to be as big as Jakarta is predicting.

Around $200 billion of Indonesian money that may not have been declared to the tax authorities in Jakarta has been squirreled away in Singapore, according to private banking sources. It is a huge portion of the approximately $470 billion of assets under management by private banks in the financial hub.
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ok then. wow, i dono that chinese indon are so rich. there are merely a few million of chinese indon out of 200 million indons. how da heck they become so rich despite the ultra racism towards chinese in indon?? lihai betul?
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post Jul 27 2016, 11:14 AM

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it look very promising but it is day dreaming,
if u have so many money in singapore back just invest a bit in singapore and be a singaporean already

no need look back 2 indonesia
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post Jul 27 2016, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(bingding @ Jul 27 2016, 11:10 AM)
ok then. wow, i dono that chinese indon are so rich. there are merely a few million of chinese indon out of 200 million indons. how da heck they become so rich despite the ultra racism towards chinese in indon?? lihai betul?
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dont know if you are
1)purely stupid & dumbfuck
or
2)don't want to acknowledge the fact/ignoring the fact

FACT
that currently Singapore private banks are holding USD470bil foreign deposits & USD200bil of them (nearly half of it) are owned by Chinese Indonesia tycoons

the truth & facts all already written, plain & simple writings

This post has been edited by hypervisor: Jul 27 2016, 11:17 AM
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post Jul 27 2016, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(hypervisor @ Jul 27 2016, 11:15 AM)
dont know if you are
1)purely stupid & dumbfuck
2)don't want to acknowledge the fact/ignoring the fact

FACT
that currently Singapore private banks are holding USD470bil foreign deposits & USD200bil of them (nearly half of it) are owned by Chinese Indonesia tycoons

the truth & facts all already written, plain &  simple writings
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u ignorant retardo f*k, i said how those indochinese got so much money to begin with!!
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post Jul 27 2016, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(bingding @ Jul 27 2016, 11:17 AM)
u ignorant retardo f*k, i said how those indochinese got so much money to begin with!!
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lelel dumbfuck
not a relevant question at all

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post Jul 27 2016, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(junsheng @ Jul 27 2016, 11:14 AM)
it look very promising but it is day dreaming,
if u have so many money in singapore back just invest a bit in singapore and be a singaporean already

no need look back 2 indonesia
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That's common sense. biggrin.gif
I suspect too that many of these were fronts/proxies for corrupted officials, who made the smart move of getting residentship/citizenship for their families in SG, and will never step foot on Indonesian soil anymore.
This is a trick to lure them back by those corrupted officials, but it is not gonna work. Those indo goons have been pwn. laugh.gif
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post Jul 27 2016, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(bingding @ Jul 27 2016, 10:27 AM)
bside indon, many nations including MY also got la. but no see other country ask thos ppl to pay tax? don even find any related thing on google stating that indon gomen ask tycoon pay tax; thats why ridicule lo whether this kind of news is article-worthy or is just simply based on ts 2 cents.
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it is the amnesty tax law described in the article.

taken from fortune website

Singapore's wealth management industry is likely to suffer a bad dent as rich Indonesians move some money back home to take advantage of a tax amnesty, but the exodus of funds isn't going to be as big as Jakarta is predicting.

Around $200 billion of Indonesian money that may not have been declared to the tax authorities in Jakarta has been squirreled away in Singapore, according to private banking sources. It is a huge portion of the approximately $470 billion of assets under management by private banks in the financial hub.

Consultants, lawyers and bankers closely involved with the industry expect roughly $30 billion to go to Indonesia under the amnesty, which was launched last week and allows all past evasion sins to be forgiven upon the payment of up to 5% tax on the money.

QUOTE(bingding @ Jul 27 2016, 11:10 AM)
ok then. wow, i dono that chinese indon are so rich. there are merely a few million of chinese indon out of 200 million indons. how da heck they become so rich despite the ultra racism towards chinese in indon?? lihai betul?
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it was one of the factors that triggered the riot. you just take a look at forbes indonesia list

http://www.forbes.com/indonesia-billionaires/

did you know among the top 10, hartono, wonowidjojo, salim, widjaja, karim, setiawan, riady and tahir are all indonesian chinese? it is that they carry indonesian names.

and the disparities is so great they are much more economically powerful than their counterparts in malaysia. there is a wide perception that the 3 percent indonesian chinese controlled 70 percent of the economy. when president habibie in a july 1998 interview with the washington post said that indonesia was not dependent on ethnic chinese businessmen, the rupiah's value plunged 5 percent immediately because these tycoons dumped them on the market. this unexpected reaction prompted immediate changes in his policies and attitudes. not my pov, you can read in wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Indon...onomic_aptitude
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QUOTE(hippihippo @ Jul 27 2016, 11:39 AM)
it is the amnesty tax law described in the article.

taken from fortune website

Singapore's wealth management industry is likely to suffer a bad dent as rich Indonesians move some money back home to take advantage of a tax amnesty, but the exodus of funds isn't going to be as big as Jakarta is predicting.

Around $200 billion of Indonesian money that may not have been declared to the tax authorities in Jakarta has been squirreled away in Singapore, according to private banking sources. It is a huge portion of the approximately $470 billion of assets under management by private banks in the financial hub.

Consultants, lawyers and bankers closely involved with the industry expect roughly $30 billion to go to Indonesia under the amnesty, which was launched last week and allows all past evasion sins to be forgiven upon the payment of up to 5% tax on the money.
it was one of the factors that triggered the riot. you just take a look at forbes indonesia list

http://www.forbes.com/indonesia-billionaires/

did you know among the top 10, hartono, wonowidjojo, salim, widjaja, karim, setiawan, riady and tahir are all indonesian chinese? it is that they carry indonesian names.

and the disparities is so great they are much more economically powerful than their counterparts in malaysia. there is a wide perception that the 3 percent indonesian chinese controlled 70 percent of the economy. when president habibie in a july 1998 interview with the washington post said that indonesia was not dependent on ethnic chinese businessmen, the rupiah's value plunged 5 percent immediately because these tycoons dumped them on the market. this unexpected reaction prompted immediate changes in his policies and attitudes. not my pov, you can read in wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Indon...onomic_aptitude
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thank kiu for your explanation. just what i wanted. just one curious ques though, before 1998; how the heck did those chinese indon get so freaking rich? i mean after ww2, only then those chinese run away from china to indon right? how come so fast become rich? the local indons so easy give them land givee them money earn meh?
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QUOTE(bingding @ Jul 27 2016, 12:15 PM)
thank kiu for your explanation. just what i wanted. just one curious ques though, before 1998; how the heck did those chinese indon get so freaking rich? i mean after ww2, only then those chinese run away from china to indon right? how come so fast become rich? the local indons so easy give them land givee them money earn meh?
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trust me if you go to some very poor african nations to setup businesses now. say not much native people there do business, entire village or town only you selling basic things like food, clothing. money would come fast.

and then if afterwards that african country enjoys a period of stability and rapid growth, boom into a lower-middle income economy, you earn even faster and maybe open more branches.

soon you have stocked up some money. you see the wages of the country is very low vs surrounding nations. you proceed to setup agricultural plantation or factories using local cheap labors, then export the products elsewhere. you become even more rich.

the country boom further and more people have spare money to spend. seeing this you go to setup shops selling household products, furniture, computers, things that people can't afford in the past but able to buy now. you smile as people consume more.

over times you built up a conglomerate of businesses. you now have 20 companies with thousand of shops, factories and hectares of plantations. without you knowing your businesses may have already accounted for 0.5% of the economy. you check your bank, it is already 9 or 10 digits.

this is the same story for those indonesian chinese tycoons.


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post Jul 27 2016, 07:01 PM

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Only idiots thinks they'll repatriate their $$$
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post Jul 27 2016, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(hippihippo @ Jul 26 2016, 08:17 AM)
During the 1998 Jakarta riots and attacks against the ethnic Chinese there, Indonesian money began flooding into Singapore's banking system. The amount is massive, a 1995 survey found ethnic Indonesian Chinese controlled 73% of the publicly listed companies on the Jakarta Stock Exchange and 68% of the top 300 conglomerates. These wealthy tycoons fled to Singapore, taking with them so much money that around US$200 billion worth of Indonesian capital is parked in Singapore today, a huge portion of the approximately US$470 billion of assets under management by private banks in the financial hub.

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The 1998 Jakarta riots and attacks against ethnic Chinese caused a massive outflow of capital from Indonesia

The Indonesian government last week launched a tax amnesty programme which allows all past evasion sins to be forgiven upon the payment of up to 5% tax on the money. The new law seeks to entice rich Indonesian taxpayers with undeclared or under-reported wealth or assets, both in the country and outside, to declare them voluntarily, in exchange for non-prosecution and major discount rates as incentives. It also encourages those with funds deposited overseas to repatriate and invest them in local bonds and schemes.

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Indonesian tycoons fled with so much money that it amounted to US$200 billion today, parked in Singapore

Indonesian Finance Minister Bambang Brodjonegoro issued a directive to outline specific guidelines for fund repatriation and reinvestment that the new programme is expected to produce. The minister alleged that too much money owned by Indonesia's rich are currently parked "in a specific country", which is apparent that he was referring to Singapore. The directive is easy. Indonesia would forgive any tax evasion crimes committed in the past, as long as the tycoons declared the money and pay 5% tax on it. Once done, the Indonesian law will treat that money as 'legal'.

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For years, Indonesia has claimed those money was gotten through illegitimate means during Suharto regime

"This will have an impact and some Indonesian money will flow out of Singapore, but still a lot of money will remain offshore," said a Singapore-based senior private banker, who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the topic. "I have not seen tax amnesties work exceptionally well in other centers so it is unclear how effective this one will be." The Indonesian stock market had expected the successful implementation of the bill since its passage through parliament with the main stock index JKSE up 5% and foreign investors net buying around 10 trillion rupiah (US$763.65 million) since then.

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But now Indonesia is basically saying it would recognize those money as 'legal' as long as tycoons willing to pay a 5% tax on them

Any repatriated funds, since they would be considered legal then, will be allowed to be invested in instruments like government issued securities, stocks, bonds and mutual funds issued by private companies, as well as the direct purchase of properties. That would be appealing to the tycoons as Indonesia is a booming economy with 240 million people. Already, there are worries that this might lead to an outflow of assets from Singapore's massive wealth management industry.

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There are too many ultra-rich Indonesian Chinese tycoons living in Singapore and storing their money there

Among the 50 richest people in Indonesia, 40 are of ethnic Chinese descent, and many reside in Singapore. Singaporean consultants, lawyers and bankers closely involved with the industry expect roughly US$30 billion to go to Indonesia under the amnesty. After the passing of the law, Mr Brodjonegoro, the Finance Minister, went hostile against Singapore, even hinted that Singapore, fearing a massive capital flight, had been attempting to lobby the Parliament to block the Bill.

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After law passed, conspiracy theories surfaced that Singapore is working to thwart Indonesia's plan. Indonesian finance minister says he is not afraid of 'small' Singapore

The Indonesian finance minister went further by professing to believe in the theory that Singapore is somehow conspiring against the new law. "Let them do their worst. I am not afraid of Singapore; it's merely a tiny country," he reportedly told a parliamentary committee. Other politicians have also attacked Singapore by accusing Singaporean banks of imposing hurdles with a special scheme to leave their assets in the city state instead of repatriating them.

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Vice President Jusuf Kalla: Singapore is worried now because most of the money parked there are Indonesian money

"Every country wants to survive," Vice-President Jusuf Kalla told reporters. "It (only) proves what people always say that most of the money stashed in Singapore comes from Indonesia." Indonesian House of Representatives Speaker Ade Komarudin urged the Singapore Government not to thwart the tax amnesty programme. "I want to remind Singapore to put away the policy and I hope that (news about the incentive by banks) are not true, because it will very much obstruct the success of the Tax Amnesty Law," he said. "We've been friends for a long-time, don't ruin it for your ego", he added.

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The amnesty bill is Jokowi's attempt to reassure a group that dominate 70% of Indonesia's private economy

Mr Yustinus Prastowo, the executive director of Centre for Indonesia Taxation Analysis, told the Jakarta Globe he had heard about the offer first-hand from Indonesian businesspeople who have been approached personally by private agents. "This type of incentive is legal by law and the Indonesian government must be ready to face it. The money, regardless of its source, will become legal under the scheme," Mr Prastowo said.

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Jakarta has taken great steps to reconcile with its Chinese population since the 1998 tragedies

Singapore refuted the conspiracy theories. "The government of Singapore has denied allegations that several unnamed Singaporean banks have lured Indonesian customers to maintain their assets in the country," Singapore's Ministry of Finance and Monetary Authority of Singapore said in a statement. "Recent claims in the Indonesian media that Singapore is implementing policies to 'thwart' Indonesia's tax amnesty program are untrue," it said. Authorities also claimed that Singapore has not reduced tax rates or amended any of their policies in response to Indonesia's tax amnesty program.

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Singapore: We don't live in fear of anyone. We are small but we are successful

In regards to the Indonesian finance minister's statement, Singapore's Law and Home Affairs Minister K Shanmugam said he does not understand why there is "this constant attempt to put us down; and taunting us that we are small." Mr Shanmugam wrote that Singapore is good friends with Indonesia in the last 50 years. Both countries have cooperated on many matters, and both countries benefit from these good relations. "But every now and then, someone in Indonesia will tell us that we should know our place, a little red dot," he said. "Yes, we are a little red dot. We may be small. But we are respected and successful. And our people lead meaningful lives. And we don't live in fear of anyone else," he added.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-indonesi...SKCN0ZY098?il=0
http://www.todayonline.com/world/asia/indo...s-stashed-spore
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-lure-investors
http://jakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/busines...mnesty-program/
http://fortune.com/2016/07/25/indonesias-t...w-in-singapore/
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapa...es/2981094.html
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post Aug 1 2016, 01:40 PM

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with this happening..gahment say giv zero tax for indon chinese to move their asset back i also think konlanfirm no indon chinese want..

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4017395

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