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League rFactor Racing Simulation, MSR S2 V8 Champion = Madnoren

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maranello55
post Apr 1 2007, 02:04 AM

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QUOTE(PCcrazy @ Apr 1 2007, 12:54 AM)
Yah, putting pressure on opponents is the perfect way to start a season. C'mon dude you have all the limelight on your shoulder. Hail the new champ guys.  rclxms.gif

To win a race requires what one call a race craft capability, ability to craft a race depending on circumstances. You can do a fast lap all right, but what about doing a fast lap but not really using the normal racing line? You see, the ability to switch to a different racing line and still know the threshold braking limit is what counts in the race. This help you to overtake and correct mistakes without losing much time. This also mean you can brake late even when you follow behind a car since you already know several track markers for example kerb, road skid marks, signboard, grass, building, elevation changes. Track this changes by driving slowly across the track or watch your fastest lap replay and remember where you brake and what is in the view at that time.

Furthermore, every track is unique, so play with FFB settings and sensitivity as well as deadzone. Calibrating the equipment to your comfort is the way to make yourself comfortable learning the track.

btw, maranello what is your fastest lap ( I mean race distance load )?
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Ya...im gonna let u believe that im really under pressure... tongue.gif

Race craft...no doubt...thats y we are all here.....to master the ability to know to pit or not to pit when ure stuck behind a slow car, to know where to dig on the second sector when ure already down on ur first, to let the car behind just overtake u on that corner so u can take it back on the next two corners, to take a different line into the hairpin when u late brake after a manouvre...These are the things that we simracers live for.

The best move to me is the heart in the mouth manuover Hakkinen pull of on schumi with zonta in between as they approach Les Combes in 2001. Still a hair raiser. Hakinnen knew his limit and he wether or not he can pull that off. Schumi didnt even thot that he already close it on mika. Those subsonic manouver, split second decision making is something to marvel....for a very2 long time....a mark that he knows the track and car soo well....and raw guts...

I leave my FFB or deadzone at a fixed value every race....so that when i do chnges to the car, and it feels different, i know that its the setup...not the controller. How do u do it?

The race with the bots this afternoon, a lap after the first pit stop i clocked a 2.10 flat...but i always feel that the car steers beautifully compared to when i practice in the server...feels sooo understeery....evern though the rules are all the same with the server...I dunno la..

How about u man? Wuts ur time? You and all the rest is keeping it low...aku sorang jer poyo2 tongue.gif ...i know that for fact that you all are faster.... tapi tak menunjuk macam aku...tongue.gif

Ryugan...still down? No one except me in the server now...


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post Apr 1 2007, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(PCcrazy @ Apr 1 2007, 07:02 AM)
First I calibrate my controller just as finetuning my style after I have finally got the setup right. After the setup is right, I know that for this amount of braking I need certain type of sensitivity to correct that one final lock problem in say one particular corner for example. I''s more of a preference call, if you are comfortable with your way, then don't do to many changes to equipment settings.

My time race, I have to say somewhere in between late 2.09 to late 2.10 with decent fuel load. The problem is how many laps I can push with that pace is untested.

I have not drive this v8 for a while, so expect laptimes to tumble in the region of 2.11-2.12.

There's no need to keep any information low, it's just that I haven't put that many miles in the car yet. But will do so when I have the time. Right now concentrating for the upcoming FSR race in Bahrain schedule for today.

Wish me luck, hopefully I will qualify for the 24 places reserved only for the best tonight.
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I wouldnt touch my controller setup fer now....im comfortable with it but thinking about why does Logitech gives us all the flexibilty? Surely not for nothing rite? U have proved that...I dont know exactly what deadzone or rates does and what difference should i feel while driving...thats y i put my hands off it fer now.

2.09- 2.10 is not bad time at all...im trying to be consistent at 2.11. if i can get that it is enuff. Luck plays its role in some races sometimes. See how the race goes.
Anyone can do it with enough practice...

Raikonnen...thats a good time to start with, if you remember my early post, i was bakar-ing them with that 2:16 time....then as i improve, know the car more and the track...it goes down to 2:12..then after pitt gave me his setup, i can clock 2.08 flat with quali fuel. Stilll it is in a hand of an amatuer....pro drivers (alien) with my setup can easily do a 2.06. Walk in park...kimi raikonnen style...LOL

Good luck for the race tonite doode. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 1 2007, 03:37 PM

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Honestly i dont know fer sure...but i'll try to keep the pressure at 200 when the tyres are around 100c....if i try to keep it lower than 100c then the tyres start to lose pressure...

Come join...me and ryugan is practising....

Or can i just email u my setup that ive promised?
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post Apr 2 2007, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(ryugan @ Apr 2 2007, 12:02 AM)
bapak laju maranello... sweat.gif
bg dia jalan..nasib baik team mate..lol
kang battle plak....naya nnt dua dua DNF
biar aku block yang lain..lol

last lap battle td mmg best..between sabelt, n Madnoren..

60 min..bepeluh satu badan.. sweat.gif
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Ape daa kasik chan...ni Holden bukan Ferrari...(oops)
Tak fun langsung...

Best lap still to madnoren 2:09.6xx....tu baru BAPAK laju!

Aku nak slow down tadi but wanna really use this chance to see how i can drive with worn tyres...

Sabelt it was stupid move...i shouldnt have tap ur back....sorry man...i thought ure gonna take the wide line after clipping the apex...

Jeles aku tgk replay wink.gif

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post Apr 2 2007, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(sabelt @ Apr 2 2007, 12:46 PM)
Race winner, how many laps did you completed to win the race?
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I dont think i won last nite...madnor had a steering prob and pitted early, nudge u at the back and ryugan gave me way.

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1. ramseyrizal@gmail.com
2. wariths@hotmail.com
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post Apr 2 2007, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(ryugan @ Apr 2 2007, 05:55 PM)
sioot bang yazid..  laugh.gif
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Awwww...... tongue.gif

QUOTE(ryugan @ Apr 2 2007, 05:55 PM)
orang pake hotmail ler.
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So u like it hot?? brows.gif brows.gif


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post Apr 3 2007, 02:46 AM

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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Apr 2 2007, 11:01 PM)
maranello,
saw your hot lap.
perfect and smooth  notworthy.gif
No mistakes.
I guess patience has it's price  nod.gif
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That was just plain lucky...i guess...

Anyone heard from PCcrazy? Im curious to know how his FSR race went yesterday nite....

Got some spare time and worked on a skin...Izzy...u got one skin less to do...not that this really measures up to the rest of ya masterpiece... notworthy.gif

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Putting in more sponsors if i have time....

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post Apr 3 2007, 11:09 AM

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*tgh bayangkan the whole bukit bintang tgh gelakkan aku bawak kart terbabas masuk longkang*

Takde pengalaman kart langsung LOL

Nick Hamilton? saper tu? or izzit Lewis?
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post Apr 3 2007, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(sabelt @ Apr 3 2007, 11:27 AM)
pancing je evohahn & maranello ni...just give it a try since its FOC man.. smile.gif
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Ha....gi mancing aku suke la... tongue.gif

Edison....will do...still dont really know what to do. But i'll try to do a tribute to Senna... nod.gif

Evo - No left foot braking....a mark of a heel-toer..... brows.gif
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post Apr 3 2007, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(izzNatta @ Apr 3 2007, 04:15 PM)
Nice skin maranello..... send it to me to complete the windows & MSR livery

Errr.... Evo = blip expert rclxms.gif  especially driving those Mammoth.... yeap Courts Mammoth
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Thanks Izzy...i'll just send them after i'll put in da sponsors... notworthy.gif
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post Apr 4 2007, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(Redline @ Apr 4 2007, 09:02 AM)
i use front 4.2 & rear 2.2, ARB front 33 rear 10.
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Heheheheheheheh brows.gif brows.gif (Gelak jahat)

Added some skin....i dunno wut sponsor to put...so left it blank....
Izzy, ive emailed you my skin. Thanks man notworthy.gif

Ryugan ma teamate ma mann....nak share skin? ko dah ader skin ke? flex.gif

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post Apr 5 2007, 02:01 AM

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QUOTE(Redline @ Apr 4 2007, 09:02 AM)
i use front 4.2 & rear 2.2, ARB front 33 rear 10.
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Tried it......very2 nice....the tyres comes to u gracefully and go away gracefully...Thanks Red.... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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post Apr 5 2007, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(kimi @ Apr 5 2007, 07:39 AM)
i think im too slow at turn 11, clueless getting the right line, entry - gear and speed.

update my email pls:  kimi133@gmail.com

tomorrow is holiday here, so i hope can put in some practice time.  this weekend Sepang F1GP - already missed 3 years in a row. 
since we dun give much support - poor attendance - bernie start lookin elsewhere, or maybe bernie just disappointed our grid girls wear too much clothing
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Kimi...i had some prob before too....but now i can be abit more consistent thru turn 11...

It is massively depends on how u come from the previous turn which is a high speed left hander. I personally keep the car flat before reaching the geometric apex of turn 11, turn my car to the right towards the exit apex and squeeze the throttle from there on as soon as possible to get as high speed as i can get at the end of the backstraight. Watch how Redline takes the line on last week race...he is MEGA through there... nod.gif
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post Apr 6 2007, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(PCcrazy @ Apr 6 2007, 01:10 AM)
Sorry guys for my absentees in the previous test race. My broadband got some problems. Seems my connection stabilized as for now.

As far as the race schedule I hope we can get full attendance. I have done a quick new setup on race last night. I have a good setup but my tyres wear very quickly as the temperature rise is uncontrollable. I can get 2.08.9 lap 1, lap2 2.08.7 lap 3 2.08.5 and after that maintaining 2.08 throughout for several laps until I see the tires temp rose up to nearly 130 degrees and make my car skidding all across the tarmac.

Will work around that problem and share the setup if you guys badly in need of one. I know madnoren for sure doesn't need one as he has ace in his sleeve.
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I can manage a mid 2.09 on my first lap..and straight away fall into low 2.10 on the next few laps....im very bad going around with worn tyres so im keeping em kewl....only momentarily go above 120, Front left tyre into turn 3....

Quali time will tumble.... smile.gif All my 'bakar' effort is not in vain.... biggrin.gif
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post Apr 6 2007, 02:40 AM

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QUOTE(PCcrazy @ Apr 6 2007, 01:19 AM)
You see I'm not good at quali setup, my quali pace is not far off from my race pace. So far only manage a time of 2.08.324.

So what about you have you manage to break into 2.07?

I have a question, does rake angle have any effect on downforce for these cars?
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I can manage a 2.08 flat...but few mistakes in some areas...which i cant rectify nor can i replicate that time....let alone improve n make it into the 2.07 zone....

Ive thought abt the same thing....but keeping the rake to 1.5cm or the most 1.0cm between front and back....IMHO i havent noticed if rake does or doesnt affect the downforce on these cars. im keeping the textbook value for now, with the understanding of not having too little rake or else itll create drag along a straight coz the front is getting higher and higher....if ure a heavy braker....the nose will dive thus create imbalance into the turn in. But if ure a smooth braker u'll survive. But personally i would like to keep the nose vertical travel to a minimum, no matter what the rake is.

Whats Redline and the others think abut this? Ryugan? Sabelt? I smell a suprise...

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QUOTE(PCcrazy @ Apr 6 2007, 03:17 AM)
Sometimes you are just quick and you knew it. As for me the handling of these cars are unique and requires a lot of time to understand its characteristics.

You can go soft spring with high pressure tyres with huge amount of cambers or you can go stiff spring low pressure less camber and it produces the same handling characteristics but different wear.

As for the downforce, since the car feels heavy you can't really get the feeling immediately. Normally on a car such as this downforce is used as a measure of finetuning the handling. The first criteria for better handling as far as I observe always the mechanical side of things. Changing these settings affect the handling tremendously.

You see I can do testing just for the sake of understanding rake effect on downforce, but I don't have much time so I wonder if anyone have tested running different rake angle with the same setup.

Maranello I'm much more of a smooth braker, I always go for slow in and fast out. When smooth braking you can modulate the car better and you rarely missed the apex and you can have all the spaces you need on the exit therefore timing the kerb to perfection is way way easier. However when it comes to certain corners, where there is no straight after that, I always hard brake since the entry is more important than the exit.

I feel when you reach some level of control comfort, all you need is that little extra grip and I believe there is nothing more you can do unless you change the setup to correct only the part of the area you struggle.
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Yeap...I find it very adventerous playing with this v8 cars. I usually opt for stiff springs and low tyre pressure coz of the pressure build up during the race. With stiff spring and low tyre pressure it means the suspension is pressing the tyres on the road harder and more rubber contact with the track since it has low pressure...so more grip....but i'll go back and forth motec to make sure im not underflating. and hope with this available grip at a start of a run, i can push to get temp and pressure up to the golden lap. The prob with stiff suspension, especially with the front, is that the car will understeer more into the race and handling characteristics will change. This is the area that i always struggle. I always move the brake bias towards the back where there is more rubber and preserving the front tyres a bit during braking. And bracing myself for a different beast during braking.

Sabelt....its just another approach to the race, doesnt mean that ure not the front runners...there are no front runners yet coz the race havent started...so nice try being humble...LOL

PCcrazy, yup...i have no time to do further testing also...i mean learning something new about the car. Currently just acclimitasing myself to the setup. I stopped tweaking long time ago coz i wont know how fast have i gotten coz i lost track of the changes on the setup. Some F1 names says that the fastest guy in a team always the one who fix their driving, not their setup. Well, it was correct back then during the 60's....i dunno how it applies today.
Your approach towards cornerning is the same like mine...but ure a better master in doing it. Abt braking, Sepang doesnt actually need you to brake alot...even at the final hairpin and into turn1....its a nice flowing track...so too much braking will affect the flow thus the lap time..
About extra grip, i always stare at the friction circle and as long as everything is symetrical, then im happy...even though i dont really know what it means.

Most of this are all textbook stuff....nothing really new. Yeap i boast alot...sorry.

Evo...thanks for the newsletter! Great addition to our league!
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post Apr 7 2007, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(PCcrazy @ Apr 7 2007, 08:14 PM)
Good to see you, need a setup?

http://www.filefactory.com/file/0e38a3/

This is for others too, Hopefully I can get a feedback from this setup.

Redline is pitstop mandatory?
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Sorry kengkawan, tadi kat track tak borak2....aku tgh shakedown PCcrazy pnyer setup....

PCcrazy - I think ur setup is fine....better mecahnical grip all of first stint, hence ur 14 rear wing. I can only manage a 2.08.8xx fastest though...im sure its gonna be better in ur hands....

Time to shakedown mine... blush.gif

EDIT : PCcrazy will pit...just no stopping laugh.gif - Red and PC is in their own league... blush.gif

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post Apr 8 2007, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(PCcrazy @ Apr 8 2007, 04:35 PM)
Can, why not, full load fuel can do 30 laps approximately. 30 laps is more than 60 minutes. The problem is the pace is slow and the wear of the tyres is somehow high.

Maranello55 that setup, you have tweak the tyre pressure, I have not done many laps with that setup. So tweak the tyre pressure a bit and it will serve you quite well, I can do 2.08.154 quickest with 16 laps of fuel. But my tyres temp reached 120 degress. I guess I have to lower the camber and sacrificed cornering speed and top speed a bit.

My estimation is that those with average 1.29.xxx have a good chance of winning the race. Just my estimation, I don't know what redline has in reserve or ryugan or maranello.
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The Fords have bigger tank? my Holden can put around 19 to 20 laps worth of fuel max.
With ur setup i can get a into the 2.08 on the first lap but dive straight into the 2.09s the next few with the slowest 2 laps 2.18s right before the 1st pit stop window. Im not too good with worn tyre handling im sure u can benefit more with it.

average time of 1.29xxx...f1 time? PCcrazy have u check ur offline practice rules? just be sure that its the same wit the online rules.....im sure uve got that checked. laugh.gif

All i know tonites race is gonna be very2 close...
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post Apr 9 2007, 01:14 AM

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Congrats to all!!
just finished watching the replay....super clean race everybody! thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

I was lucky to escape few offs....one of them almost collecting PCcrazy on the last hairpin...i was sleeping and missed my braking zone entirely....managed to steer clear and i think PC saw that i was coming through, in a wrong way....The car worked fer me...and the setup...everything has been kind to me. Its a result of knowing the car i must say, and why i said this win is a lucky one is because soon everybody will understand their cars and catch up real quick.... sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

I was following PCcrazy fer almost 10 laps...I have never had this opportunity to test my patience behind a car, he defended his line fairly. At the same time i was testing the amount of grip i have in certain corners and try to see where it is safest to overtake....I found a large opening into turn 11 and dive in. I was hoping PCcrazy saw that im there at his side, a racer his caliber will know and he knew...I left enuff room for him on the way out. Great duel....i really enjoyed it. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

I saw madnorens late charge.....what happened on the laps before that Red? u were doing 2.23s...i watched ur lap but noting happened? blink.gif

Sabelt...ure very consistent...and it pays..ure fast man..i'll be on da lookout...congrats for the podium.... nod.gif

Ryugan ma teamate...congrats to u too man..great race. nod.gif

Kimi, i had a freeze also just now...but luckily fer just a sec or two...i turned off data aquisition in the *.*ini file so i think its good. sweat.gif

My connection has been really kind to me too..

Sad Raikonnen DQ, pittqis is not here....(len kali nak upgrade pc tu timing biorle betul LOL) sad.gif

Karom, apsal tak join?? sad.gif

Looking forward for this weekend....Things are gonna be tougher from here...


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post Apr 9 2007, 05:59 PM

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Alamak, Alan tu adek Red ke?? takuttt.....Why ur tyres worn so fast Red?

Yup...Welcome Dzariq. He is VERY fast...U guys will see...

Sabelt is also VERY fast...His real life racing does contribute. He knows what those without real life racing experience dont. It shows.

But my teammate Ryugan has given up....dier resort nak jadi Barrichello plak...hampeh. Moh le GG....poyo la ko...macam tak laju.




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