u wanna buy a used hyundai for 92k?



here are some cars you can buy for 90k

2011 Nissan Juke 1.5(A) TURBO + Push Start

2010 Toyota RAV4 2.4(A) Recaro seats!

2016 Toyota Wish 1.8(A) Facelift

those are pretty good cars.
"salesman" not company.
generally all big used car companies have to do business above board.
especially guys that wannabe the best examples in the industry like Topmark & MUV.
however, the issue is the salesman.
usually nice and honest salesman don't last in the industry coz kenot cari makan.
gotta becareful of the slick bastards that will over charge you or not give you much discount.

or those sole proprietors at the road side....those be-careful 9 9
because they are selling used cars their stock is always floating.
it is quite a pain to keep updating.
usually the ones cannot sell are always on the website.
i'd suggest you go to the nearest showroom if you wanna see fresh stock.
sometimes the better ones already booked.

well... counter question, toyota corolla compared with the camry? Which is better, answer is 99% (if not 100%) the same.
Same brand, dif segment/class thats it.... more expensive, bigger and classier vs smaller,cheaper to own and less grand
me wana weigh in sikit....
who ever said more 'difficult' to maintain?? why?
to me there are only 2 possible issues which are not really issues if you know what you are doing
1)recon cars = history unknown, not an issue if you can make sure its in good cond
2)recon cars are usually models less common here but, mechanical parts not a problem unless its a very pecial car cause most models share parts

there is a huge difference between 'sporty car' and sportscar 
as long as you think it is a good deal, then it is fine.
don't dig anymore.
you can choose a cheap and older perodua, but the safety aspects are so bad i wouldn't want you to die a horrible death driving one of those.

older koreans and china cars are the same too, look at this 2005 Chery A160 it is only 6.5k to buy but is it any good? Well that depends on what you're looking for -- a transport or a coffin.

or you can tell me what is on your mind instead of letting us guess what you want.
I'm thinking the new one is only going to be a facelift since this body style hasn't been around that long, but i don't know why i just don't like it....maybe also because of the look of it.....but also because unlike honda's in the past this one just recycles the previous earth dreams engine....usually every new honda has new tech unless it is a facelift.

the new perdana is a rebadged honda accord, ever thought about it?
Actually these two are in the same price bracket for used cars because they've got crapshit gearbox, at first I thought it was just a matter of driving style, but more digging I found out the problem was the design instead of driving style which causes the gearbox failure.

The facelift for both these models have a gearbox cooler but it doesn't fix the root problem it is only a run about way of keeping it in check.

If you're looking for something cheap and not too old, look around for Nissan X-Gear & Latio.

Latio with boot isn't hard to find.
But really what do you really want?
You're everywhere from sedan to mpv.

Innova is based on a special body on platform designed by Toyota so they can produce the innova, hilux and fortuner with minimal retooling.
Nothing really to shout about.
It is big and you get the space.
But material quality is lowered down to become cheaper.
Compare Wish and Innova interior is a huge difference in refinement eventhough the Wish is supposed to be a segment lower.

About that 3rd gen Proton Perdana.
Those were like CKD Honda Accords but only badge change from Honda to Proton.
Those for government use only.
Don't think it will be available in the market anytime soon.
But the real Honda Accord which is similar to that is only about 50-60k nowadays.

The Vitara isn't something I would attach the word spacious with, plus you know obviously it is something wrong with the car when it depreciate from over 100k new to 50k used within less than 5 years.

2008 Toyota Voltz 1.8 - maybe you wanna explore this model, it isn't sold locally and was previously a recon, two things to remember for JDM cars are mechanical components and body parts. Mechanical components for Toyota shouldn't be an issue since this model shares almost everything with Altis 1.8G, body parts might be tougher since it is JDM there won't be many parts laying around for you even at chop shops thus price for those things might be expensive but usually from my experience the more common stuff like bumpers can be bought with relative ease and not so expensive (mind you that the pricing level is at least around anything as expensive as Altis parts), however for anything more than fender benders parts should be expensive since it is going to be import so get a good insurance cause you either gotta write-off the car to cash out for another car if it is really serious or if not so major then don't worry no matter how expensive the parts will be the insurance gotta pay for it.  Plus at only 30k for such a car if anything really goes wrong then it isn't that heartache to write-off .
Scirocco 2.0 and Golf GTI are both within the same performance range because they're using the same engine and gearbox, but because of the coupe body style it gets taxed much more than the GTI in malaysia thus it is never going to fit into the budget of the scenario above.

CRZ at this moment is about 10k off the budget but it isn't a sports car 

"car leg" so so only, considered quite soft imho for a SUV.
I was using a loaner once, and it is mostly a city car.
Absorbers and probably bearings gone from the sound of it, and it is only a 2010 car.
Mind you it is not a rented car, it is someone's main car, i was loaning it while he was overseas.
Space wise for your purpose it is going to be feeling quite tight.

I think I explained about Wish already.
Yes, there are alot of additionals like Air Asia style.
There is a sticky on the first page on all of this.
Usually sellers put a bare bones used car price then when he finally works out the OTR price it can be alot.
JPJ inspections, name transfer, GST, insurance, roadtax, etc.

About 80% of the time a buyer will get duped, it is not a system rigged in favor of the seller, more like lack of information on the buyer part.
Because unless they're lurking in mudah everyday to find their dream sports car and calculate the cost often.
Most buyers would only do a deal once every 5 years so lack of experience and information will make them easier targets for used car salesman.
unless you really need it urgently, it is best to just buy something cash at this price point.
because they're either decent but really old cars like Protons or fairly new but expensive to maintain cars like some Korean and most Conti's.
20% of 15k is about 3000, why not consider a decent and cheap car like Axia?

1. Jazz = hatch, City = sedan. Both from same platform. Same engine and gearbox, only hybrid has special.
2. Depends on your definition of MPV.
3. Japanese amoi or Malaysian awek, which better? 
4. If you want the services and bloated prices of branded after sales service but don't wanna pay full price for the car i'd suggest you look into pre-regs and not used cars. People buying used cars are people that don't wannabe locked into using 3s or authorized service centers due to the high cost. But I suppose you have trust issues of outside workshops which is quite understandable.

2014 Nissan Livina 1.6 @ 43k

2013 Nissan Livina 1.8 @ 68k from MUV

As you can see the MUV car is much more expensive being an older car, granted it is the top spec 1800cc variant but still so much difference from the one from the used car lot, we all know used car dealers will try to potong you with additional charges coz the advertise price usually is "car body" price without GST, transfer fees, etc. But can't be until 68k, right? 
kinda ancient stuff there.
it uses a turbo version of the 4g15 engine but it isn't like-for-like swap if you think later on you can use a proton 4g15 engin from wira in it when your boost until the turbo/engine/gearbox kong.
i wouldn't recommend it unless you're desperate.
decent enough car for the price.
www.naza.com
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Among the ones listed I'd suggest you go for the Vento for the nearest to new car experience yet a big discount from sticker price.

Proton Inspira would be a good one too, depending on the condition and spec. Look for the highest spec model. Also look at the car condition, if it has not been modified into a copy of a Mitsubishi Evolution then you can consider to probe further. Stock rims, bodykit, badges, etc. Are good indications the previous owner wasn't some boy racer. Engine and gearbox smoothness indicates it was well maintained.

Prices on mudah are usually "body" price, usually 3-5k additional for full price.

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I don't dispute that if you're a car person.
I mean why not right? It's a Toyota if you know where to look and don't mind moving around it can be maintained and fixed on the cheap.
e.g.
Radiator kaput can bring it to Ah Kow's shop in Jalan Meru to replace for RM190.
Bushings need to be replaced can go Ah Seng's shop in Jalan Ipoh to buy the parts then go Muthu's workshop in Shah Alam to install, total cost RM200 per side only.

But then what if the person isn't a car person and doesn't know nuts about cars.
They would normally just bring it to the nearest workshop and if that cannot they'd bring it to a Toyota 3s/service center.
Then when repair bills become high they think they've made the wrong decision.

Having later getting curse/harass whenever the car acts up is a headache I'd rather not have.
I'd rather point that person to a newer car which would have lesser chance of being abused.
I hope you understand where I'm coming from when I reply to people here.

19 year old car vs 9 year old car, would you put your name behind it and recommend him to buy the older Altis?

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Basically for Malaysia VW has 2 grades for Polo and Vento.
Also you might find older ones being referred to as Polo Sedan, basically that's Vento.

There are basically two grades.
1. DSG 7AT gearbox + 1.4TSI engine
2. Aisin 6AT gearbox + 1.6MPI engine

MPI is basically a variable valve type engine similar to VVTI/VTEC, it is a simple enough technology for most workshops to handle. VW makes this all over the world so parts isn't an issue (also locally many units sold). Aisin 6AT is a regular slushbox gearbox in most cars, it gets the job done and is reliable. Performance cannot match (1) but if you want the performance you've got to consider the maintenance cost.

2013 Mitsubishi Lancer Sportback 2.4 - if you're looking for the highest spec of that particular model then maybe you wanna consider this one, it is quite rare nowadays to see C-segment cars getting slotted in with engines from D-segment / SUV range especially now with cars needing to be more environmental friendly so if you like to have an big engine in your car you can't miss this, some tweaks and it will be quite OP for your needs.
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If you don't have much choice then take the Accord.
Don't take anything older than 2011 as the older model have some gearbox issues.
This model is the same model as the underpinnings of the Proton Perdana.
Not much issues with this model unless that particular car has been used and abused.

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By the looks of it you're looking for a luxury suv under 100k.
XC60 and X6 are quite different as X6 is quite high up in the realm of luxury SUV.
The X6 to put it into perspective would be the equivalent of a BMW 6-series, which is actually a coupe version of the 5-series.

The current BMW model range.
1 series = hatch
2 series = coupe of 1 series / MPV
3-series = sedan
4-series = coupe of 3-series
5-series = sedan one level up from 3-series
6-series = coupe of 5-series
7-series = sedan one level up from 5-series, considered a chauffeur car or limo.

It would be the same for the SUV range which their model numbers start with X.
So naturally upkeep is going to be expensive, the roadtax alone is a nightmare on it's own.
Granted even the highest spec of the latest Honda CRV doesn't feel very luxurious when compared to XC60 and X6, and they shouldn't as they're pretty high up there.

To be honest if you're looking for a luxury SUV it is best to get a recon, at least you're getting a car which wasn't used much and has less mileage on it.
They usually come with warranty of at least a year for critical parts so unless you've got a lemon.

Because usually owners of such cars are getting rid of cars at this age because it is the time when maintenance will go up as more parts start to wear and needs replacement.

2007 Porsche Cayenne 3.6 V6 - would be in about the same range as the BMW X5 and X6, it is recon and unregistered. The upkeep for this would be about there with the X6 but of course the added benefit is as an unregistered car you should be able to enjoy a car that's near new and take care of it so it won't be an expensive car to maintain with constant breakdowns. Roadtax and tire change is going to cost a small fortune so be aware of this.

2011 Nissan Murano 2.5 - if you're looking for that CBU import car fit & finish but rather not sell your kidney to maintain it then you can consider the Murano. It is in the same range as the X-Trail but it is better version, like the difference between a Toyota and Lexus if you will.

Sorento would of course be the "budget" car of the pack, however Kia upkeep can get rather expensive because of their brand philosophy.
They would be similar to Mazda, a brand whom considers itself between the mass market brands and luxury brands.
Thus the fit & finish, equipment level, and safety standards are of a higher rung so parts will be more expensive.
However, Kia unlike Mazda hasn't been able to get their brand and market right in Malaysia so we tend to still look at them as cheap Japanese knock-offs. They aren't.
To get that luxury feel you can opt for the Sorento.

If you're looking for the same feel but on a budget the car to get is the Haval H2.
I picked one up earlier this year and haven't regret it.
To avoid a wall of text here is a review video.

Cars nowadays will become more under power due to emissions regulations.
Thus all regular, easy and cheap to maintain cars will become under powered.
If you want power then they'll force the performance or electric versions down your throat.
Actually the regular 2.0 is better than the 1.5T for CRV but the 1.5T in Malaysia is the highest spec 

H2 I'd say for the money they ask (the promotion at the time was 93k) they're giving alot. Also I think they're giving 6 or 8 years warranty now.
Interior fit and finish is quite similar to VW not very high-end luxury feel but better than the ones you'll find on Japanese cars even at Camry/Accord level.
Like most conti it has a slew of gadgets and automation -- auto wiper, auto lights, auto sunroof, auto aircon, dual zone aircon, puddle lamps, ambient lights on floor and door trims, leather seats, etc.
About the only thing missing for me is true car-phone integration like Android Auto, Navigation, and auto boot.
It uses the ZF 6AT which is similar to the one in the BMW E90, and a turbocharged GW4G15B engine which is a cousin of the Mitsubishi 4G15 engines series.
It is quite spacious with good leg and headroom but the boot could've been bigger but then I suppose that would make the rear look uglier. It has a decent looking rear.



Volvo maintenance is generally very expensive, at times it can be more expensive than Merc/BMW especially taking it to the 3S.
If let's say outside workshops usually the parts will be the expensive
Simple things like coil packs, you can search online to see the difference in price.
Proton Satria coil packs are under RM100 for a set.
Continental cars are on average RM150 for 1 piece.

X6 is a coupe type, thus the rear is sloping type.
Same issue as Gen2 where taller people will have a difficult time sitting behind.
I don't have the data for Malaysia but below is the data/cost in USA for X6, compare it with the Civic so you can understand the context.
Maintenance estimates for BMW X6 in USA
Maintenance estimates for Honda Civic in USA

It's best you get the detailed information from existing owners before you take the plunge.
BMW Club Malaysia

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I'll lump BRV, Alza, Avanza and Rush into the same category.
Basically they're B-segment platform cars elongated to serve as SUV/MPV/Crossover with higher ground clearance.

If your family is small size type it should be fine, however if you're big size or tall, you might need to think of something bigger like X-Gear, Livina, Stream, Wish as they're from C-segment platform.

2011 Nissan Mrano 2.5 - this is the second gen Murano and this particular ad is offering an unreg for 90k (of course there are used at even cheaper prices) and the good thing about unreg cars is able to get new car loan rates and choose number plate (just like buying new car). If you do call this advert remember it is a 2011 car so make sure you get a good deal, test drive the car makes sure everything working and get at least 1 year warranty to cover the engine and gearbox (1 warranty should be provided free). Being an import model you might be worried about parts issue no need to worry as the 2.5cc version uses the same QR25DE engine as the current Nissan X-Trail, I don't have the details for the gearbox but it should be the same as the one in the X-Trail. So basically the X-Trail is a newer budget version of the Murano.

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If you want to enjoy a conti then maybe look for a sedan.
SUV conti is still quite a new thing so they're all running on current/latest technology.
It hasn't been dumb down or mass produced to be cheaper to make and install.

2012 Merc C180 - imho the w204 generation of the C-class (for the Malaysian market) strikes the right balance between luxury and upkeep cost. It does have fancy electronics and if those go kaput they're sure expensive to replace but fortunately this model has been around for quite sometime thus there are alot of OEM and used parts (from accident case) which can be sourced cheaply and workshops finally get updated scan tools for them. The current w205 is a quantum leap in terms of design and amount of tech stuffed into the car so it will take sometime for those upkeep prices to come down, and high level scan tools for those models are locked for authorized service center use first until the model is obsolete. So if you're looking for an upgrade you can consider this conti.

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I think it is quite cramped, what is your budget like?
iinm for that kinda money you can get a Saga.

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Current generation models just 1-3 years in the market do not buy used.
They'll be expensive and usually only lemon units will be disposed off by the first hand owners.
Your budget until 90k might as well topup abit for a brand new HRV.
Uses the same engine and gearbox from 8&9gen Civic.
It has the space of a C-segment too with higher ground clearance.

However, if your budget is 90k and you're looking for a C-segment deal then PM me.
I think got lobang for previous gen Mazda3.

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I think I replied you on this.

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So your mom is into smaller cars or wanting a suv/crossover kinda size/height?
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C-Class = Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, BMW 3-series, Nissan Teana
E-Class = BMW 5-series, Toyota Avalon, Lexus GS

First of.... the pictured isn't a real AMG, it probably has the AMG bodykit and some cute kits but not the performance bits. That being said it isn't a bad car. IINM this model uses the DE18LA engine which also powers the cars below. So it is rather common and although you need to bring it to a specialist workshop (if you wanna avoid going to C&C and paying through your nose) and maintenance won't be cheap because it is an orang atas car -- but relatively speaking for the engine and gearbox there are enough common parts that it will be manageable unless they wanna chop you.

2009 Mercedes-Benz C-Class (W204) C 180 CGI, C 200 CGI, C 250 CGI
2009 Mercedes-Benz E-Class (W212) E 200 CGI, E 250 CGI
2010-2013 Mercedes-Benz E-Class (C207) E200 BlueEfficiency
2009-2011 Mercedes-Benz E-Class (C207) E250 CGI
2011-2015 Mercedes-Benz SLK-Class (R172) SLK 200, SLK 250

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I think the FD is quite fuel efficient.
What would be your idea of better fuel consumption?
Would you trade it for potentially higher maintenance?
or would you trade it for potentially lacking performance?