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post Sep 1 2016, 03:03 PM

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Ok so,

my dad is currently driving a 1997 1.5L carb Proton Wira. However, recently got some problems so I decided to change car for my dad.

Was actually considering 1.6L Persona first gen or Waja CPS. Did my homework, felt that me & my dad would like the Waja more.

I saw one that I like Yr'2011 Proton Waja CPS Premium for RM13K. Would appreciate any feedback. Because my dad necessitates a higher CC vehicle as he kept saying that the Wira is underpowered. Also ABS + dual airbags is a must. Would like the cost to be as low as possible, so ideally <20/15K.

Initially I was also considering the older Waja variants with the Mitsubishi engines, however those are already quite old with high mileage. And most do not come equipped with ABS+arbags. The 1.8L models people said that spare parts are significantly more expensive, that's why I'm only considering the 1.6L CPS

Thansk all notworthy.gif

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post Dec 29 2016, 02:19 PM

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Hi,

Budget below 20K, wish to get a 1.6l car. Prefer local car so parts and maintenance would be cheaper.

My two options now:

Proton Persona SE vs Proton Waja CPS

Which is better in terms of reliability and comfort? I'm not a racing type of guy or anything. Just a normal go to work-go home type of guy. Both prices are around the same.

Not interested in Gen 2 CPS. Just want the model with the lesser problems.

Frankly I like the Proton Persona's overall look more, it has character biggrin.gif . The Proton Waja's design looks more dated as compared.

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post Dec 29 2016, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Dec 29 2016, 02:30 PM)
counter query time!
1)'Not interested in Gen 2 CPS. Just want the model with the lesser problems.'
i want to understand what you mean by that line? if this is a 'problematic' car to you .... depending on your answer i have diferent bad news for you.  innocent.gif

2)still don't think you will be able to get a the last batch waja for 13k....

anyway you already know my pick between the 2.
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Hi Sifu,

Not interested in Gen 2 CPS because I prefer Sedan & not hatchback. & Feel the Gen 2 CPS quite low . Just a simple reason lah hahaha

Proton Persona SE & Waja CPS year 2009 I found around 16-20K+ - .

So your verdict is Waja CPS?

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post Dec 30 2016, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Dec 29 2016, 02:52 PM)
ahh thought you were going to say it was problematic in some way haha if its a personal preference, no problem...

comparing this 2, and given that they are in decent condition, the waja is a sort of 'higher end' car. better engine, nicer interior, that kind of thing.
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thanks bro. You da man. Very knowledgeable.

Parents already placed booking for Persona SE, so no going back. I think the CPS is definitely far more superior in terms of horsepower as compared to IAFM. Wonder why the CPS production life so short (it was so long awaited?) whereas IAFM until now Preve lower variants still using.

For pros like you know the reality. But the general public including old people like my parents hear alot of rumors that Gen 2 / Waja very lousy and got lots of problems. These two models including Savvy got alot of negative stigma / perception.

But I disagree the interior is nicer. The Persona SE interior is nicer for me thumbsup.gif

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post Jan 1 2017, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Dec 30 2016, 12:06 PM)
haha cps is more complicated, more expensive to make and if you have a heavy foot it can drink a crapload of fuel (same idea as 'real' vtecs and mivecs, able to run a diferent set of cams)
btw the cps is still used now fyi, the exora is still sold with the cps so its production is still ongoing.
The persona is a more modern car haha thats why its nicer

Gen 2/persona, now these 2 share alooot of parts. almost the same thing but one has a larger arse. I still like the gen 2 cps, comes with all the goodies the persona has but with a better engine and smaller boot. They did fix some flaws with the gen2 on the persona but.... i suspect some fixed didnt pan out that well...

Waja.... yeah some variants came with their issues, power window related stuff, door handles snapping off... and the very sad renault engine... But the late batch cars were decent. Last batches came fully loaded and were basically as reliable as any other proton out there.

Savvy.... on paper, a decent town car! stable with wheels at basically the 4 edges of the car, fuel sipping with that renault engine (it really was frugal if driven that way), amt geabox which was a fancy feature. However it was not to be, the fancy gearbox gives way and costs more tha the car to replace, the impressive engine has soooo many sensors that need to be maintained (by renault, proton cant fix em properly), crap happens when modified, and the looks.... well some liked it, others found it absolutely disgusting. all in all? a potential money pit.
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Actually even Exora no longer selling with CPS anymore. Only CFE variants sold. That's why even in campro CPS people have been saying its production life is sooooo short.

Anyway thanks bro for the info and advices. Nice talking to you. Feel like I can talk to you very long over a cup of coffee or tea or smth hahaha
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post Jan 3 2017, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Jan 3 2017, 11:12 PM)

Honestly at this price range the best option is usually a used Persona or Myvi.
Proton only really started to make their own cars with the Waja.
With the platform/chassis from Mitsubishi (then next generation) Lancer which is known as Lancer GLX here.
In layman terms the Waja was something between a Lancer GLX and Proton's own efforts.
Then things started to change to more Proton with Gen2 with that model Proton felt they could be seen as independent and the start of their 2nd gen with a car and engine designed by them from the ground-up albeit with reference designs from elsewhere.
Waja and Gen2 were good efforts but usually consumers don't like to be lab rats so my suggestion is to get a Persona because all the problems from Waja and Gen2 including the much sought after Campro CPS engine is in the Persona. So Persona is like a stable Windows 7 release in ktard terms.
2008 Nissan Sentra 1.8 - if you're looking for something non-local but still good value plus decent maintenance cost you can consider this model, this particular advert is for the 1800cc variant, you may want to consider the 1600cc variant if you want to lower fuel consumption and maintenance cost. Although this car is fairly new in terms of age the design is rather old so the engine is the older not so efficient type but still very cheap to maintain today.
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Thanks for the honest feedback. Ya I do believe Persona eradicated most of the problems from the firstly indigenously designed cars (Waja, Gen2) and the most stable. That's why we see wayyyyy more Persona's on the roads than Waja & Gen 2 which is really really rare. But Persona doesn't have the CPS engine tho.

Anyway I already booked a 2008 Proton Persona SE. So no going back already blush.gif
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post Jan 4 2017, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Jan 4 2017, 12:11 AM)
requirements:
- resale value not an issue
- reliability must be good
- maintenance cost? unknown

i forgot persona uses campro iafm engine which is the first gen iafm, the second gen iafm is in the saga blm and preve non-cfe.
iafm advantages is less complexity over cps + vim with a better power range but losing out on top-end power.
but since proton is making consumer cars the trade off works as everyday normal consumers want a broader power range and cheap maintenance with less complicated engine.
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Actually the normal IAFM / IAFM+ (second gen) more or less the same. Just that IAFM+ is tuned to fit with the stupid punch CVT. So BLM still normal IAFM, only FL / FLX / PLUS IAFM+.

Luckily I'm not a heavy footed guy who drives fast then biggrin.gif

QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Jan 4 2017, 10:58 AM)
yay zenix is back!!!!

itu iafm has a few 'issues' punya.... its prone to getting screwed up 'tak tak tak tak tak' and its sad torque dip (which i feel isnt really a problem if you are not the heavy footed kinda guy).
the cps on the other hand is actually less problematic but can start drinking fuel if you are not careful (applies to vteks and meveekks, just less hardcore).
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I've asked some mechanics. Technically the IAFM engines got some prevalent issues like the infamous tak tak tak sound. But overrall the repair and maintenance cost still quite cheap as compared to the CPS engine?

I thought torque dip is both eliminated in both IAFM & CPS hmm.gif based on the charts and graphs.. CPS has more horsepower which like you said if you're heavy footed the FC is horrible. So I guess for me still okay since I'm not heavy footed at all laugh.gif

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post Dec 10 2018, 08:39 PM

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Is Volkswagen Polo TSI 2008-2010 a reliable car?

Enticed by its look/design and good FC. Prefer a small sized hatchback.

But I'm afraid on the maintenance costs and reliability of the engine and tranny (german tech), not to mention that I'm absolutely clueless on continental cars laugh.gif

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