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post Oct 25 2016, 11:23 AM

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hello guys , would like to ask if its worth to get a Nissan Almera for like RM43k? as i was offered by a friend. car is around 3yrs +

its a 2013 model, automatic, push start, key less entry, impulse body kits, mileage is around 70k

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post Oct 27 2016, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Oct 25 2016, 11:48 AM)
normal price, i think you should negotiate alittle if you want it. (a dealership would pay your friend close to 40k or less for that car)

frankly speaking, am not a big fan of the almera..... would rather get something else e.g. forte, elantra, inspira, suprima with that kind of budget (though ofc, running costs would be higher)
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QUOTE(zenix @ Oct 25 2016, 12:31 PM)
That's a cosmetic issue only  laugh.gif
Camry also tongek nobody bat an eye  rolleyes.gif
I'm not going to talk much about the Preve because I'm not familiar with the upkeep for his car, however I do know among the two variants available the non-turbo doesn't really cut it due to poor fuel consumption and performance, while the turbo does have "some" performance but fuel consumption isn't any better which is kind of strange since it is not a performance orientated turbo it should give better fuel consumption.

Mazda 3 would actually be the most expensive to maintain among the group as most of their parts prices are locked by the sole distributor especially big ticket items like aircon compressor, gearbox and anything from the engine. This is an economics of scale issue because for parallel importers to bring in compatible or cheaper originals from other countries to sell cheaper locally they need some sort of volume or else it doesn't make sense, which is why smaller items and compatible items like fuel filters, absorbers, etc. can be found because higher chance for people to buy it but bigger ones can't because it doesn't make sense for them to bring it in and sell cheaper because customer base small and warehousing cost isn't cheap to wait until someone breaks a cylinder head to seek a replacement. That is why they usually refer you back to 3S or authorised dealer.

Inspira/Lancer would be similar situation as Mazda3 except because both of these cars create enough volume I have seen importers bring more than just the usual minor service items for these cars.

2010 Toyota Camry 2.0 - looking at your budget have you ever thought about something like a Camry? Upkeep wise it would be around or slightly more expensive than the Inspira or Mazda3. Of course being a D-segment the comfort is better.
Well, even Myvi doesn't have the updated safety features of the top spec Bezza.
Infact at around this price point the only other product which has is the Persona and Saga.
However, personally I feel Perodua has better customer service and maintenance for the Bezza in the long run would be cheaper.
2009 Swift Sports 1.6 - if you're into cars that are nimble and fun you should consider a car like this. A very nice sorted chassis. Powerful engine but not too powerful until driving it is difficult. Near perfect gear ratio's. A driver's car for sure, you can bring it to the track or Genting Sempah for some fun although there are more powerful cars but if based on engine capacity probably only Proton Satria GTI or Proton Satria Neo R3 might give you a run for your money else you'd be cutting corners overtaking most other 1600cc cars unless heavily modified. Always remember an original SSS only comes with a 1600cc engine and manual gearbox, everything else is just bodykit version of the standard model.

2008 VW Polo GTI 1.8 - however if you want something more powerful but not a big brute like Evo's and WRX's then maybe you can consider the Polo GTI. It uses the more stable 1800cc turbo which was in Audi A4/A6, VW Golf GTI, Skoda Octavia 1.8T, etc. It is stable hardware plus connected to a manual it is pretty much bulletproof.
2000kms per month on average.
It is on the higher side.
When looking at such mileage on used car lots you can probably think it is true as sometimes they cheat by putting a lower mileage.
But for a private sale it is on the higher side.
The price range is around 37k for the manual and 39k for the cheapest auto.
If you like it then squeeze him for more discounts since if he sell to used car dealer he won't get 43k anyway.
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thank you! i guess ill skip found out the back bumper was hit too
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post Feb 16 2017, 11:50 AM

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hello guys, i was offered a honda city 1.5(A) SIvtec, 2014 for 56k, not sure with the mileage and all yet as car has been sent for service and all.

is it reasonable?
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post Feb 27 2017, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Feb 16 2017, 11:57 AM)
mazda 2
-small car
-theres a new model on the way, comes with the fancy much awaited G-vectoring and stuff BUT that also means a slightly higher pricetag
-personally find the hatch looks alright (hehe zenix no rike laugh.gif) but the sedan.... urgh.....

civic (this is way over 100k... if you mean the 1.5t)
vios
-at this budget, like the top range city better (side note city is also getting a facelift). The vios is a good deal compared to the city assuming you could not afford the top range city.
-veeoss is supposed to be updated but dont think its coming soon..

ioniq (this is over 100k...)
-on paper, the spec sheet is impressive to say the least
-fc figures on that specsheet make me shiver with rage.... vmad.gif
-too soon to talk about reliability, and if it has any issues (1st batches, expect there to be some flaws that need polishing along the way)
-resale is also a question mark  (if you look back, generally speaking kimchi cars suffer from slightly lower resale value compared to their sushi counterparts PLUS WITH the current resale trend with hybrid cars.......  whistling.gif i dont see good news here BUT things might change, who knows)
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top range as in the v series? my budget is around =/-50k only i guess

QUOTE(zenix @ Feb 18 2017, 03:13 AM)
Okay, I guess the car has served you well and it is time for a well deserved upgrade, ya?
So whats your requirements, likes, and budget?
2014 VW Passat 1.8 - RM100k? This is under RM100k! VW Malaysia is clearing their old stock, these cars were probably used as demo/showroom cars until the new B8 model came out. It is a crazy deal getting a car which would've cost you RM200k when new but now you can pickup from then for less than half the price, you've already saved yourself alot of money from depreciation there. There is no doubt the problem with the TSI engines and Dry Clutch DSG's is real, however since 2016 VW has been said to already have solved the issue with a maintenance package and upgraded lubricants package. However, if you're the worry type, then don't bother. If you're interested and risk taker, then i'll continue my ramblings on this car when I reply you after you reply me.
I think based on your criteria Bezza is a good choice, however the final decision is yours.
Remember always go test drive until muak then only buy.
Test all the models you like, eventhough you might not afford it, just to compare.
Used car?

You mean this model or this model?

Almost 10k price gap and one is current model.
Depreciation for Malaysia is quite standard at 10-15% per anum. Some cars depreciate more, and some less, but this percentage is the number usually used by insurance companies when they calculate the sum insured.

C'mon lah, you've got 100k to burn you wanna be driving around in boring white boxes barge from Honda or Lexus trash?

2014 VW Passat 1.8 - VW Malaysia is clearing their old stock, these cars were probably used as demo/showroom cars until the new B8 model came out. It is a crazy deal getting a car which would've cost you RM200k when new but now you can pickup from then for less than half the price, you've already saved yourself alot of money from depreciation there. There is no doubt the problem with the TSI engines and Dry Clutch DSG's is real, however since 2016 VW has been said to already have solved the issue with a maintenance package and upgraded lubricants package. However, if you're the worry type, then don't bother. If you're interested and risk taker, then i'll continue my ramblings on this car when I reply you after you reply me. Remember this is D-segment baby, it's big, got class, got presence, and people think you've paid RM200k for it - business partners and OL's surely will be impressed.

2012 Nissan Juke 1.6T - this is the one with the 1600cc turbo engine which is closely related to the 1600cc from Citroen's, Peugeot's, BMW's and Mini's. However, if you want something more mundane then consider 2011 Nissan Juke 1.5 model. Both are more or less the same in terms of safety equipment just the turbo has a few extra bits here and there to show off it is in fact a more powerful car. If you wanna impress girls you'd need a funky and cool car, this would do nicely whichever version you choose doesn't matter as girls won't know whats under the hood the driving dynamics is for your own pleasure. 10/10 ladies i pick-up with this car is totally awe-ed or find it cute. With much of it's engine components shared and the rest is Nissan derived you don't need to worry about getting parts for this car, although parts for it isn't as common as Vios but it's much easier to get than for a Ssangyong Actyon.
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post Feb 28 2017, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Feb 27 2017, 11:33 PM)
2013 Nissan Latio 1.6 - this is the best bang for your buck if you requirements is a car which isn't too old (2013 car) but also cheap to maintain. Being a newer design type it has better use of space so the interior feels more roomy and airy then the Sentra being an older 90's design. It also has a much more efficient engine of which the derivative is still being used in the Nissan Livina range, so don't worry about not able to get any spare parts. It has decent power to weight ratio for a 1600cc engine as the same engine is also being used for the Livina and X-Gear.
Persona/Waja then XV.
Very far apart the budget.
Persona/Waja are those 90's design cars which sit lower on the road and are quite cramped inside eventhough their overall dimensions are big.
Okay, the newer City.
So recap.
Whats your budget and requirements.
So ngam, I just talked about the Focus sedan in the reply above this.
Do read up.
I don't think the Fiesta is a value buy when you balance out the price/innate issues/performance/prestige/maintenance & upkeep cost.
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budget will be <55k i guess
looking for a very fuel efficient car as im travelling to and back of like 50km per day
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post Mar 1 2017, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Feb 28 2017, 11:31 PM)
someone butthurt is it? i got lipoted  doh.gif
In terms of maintenance they both use the VQ20DE engine, the newer one would of course be abit more expensive and refined (think of it as the facelift version) basically they're both the same car underneath.

2000 Toyota Camry - it would seem to be abit more "expensive" if you compare with the Cefiro because for the same amount of money usually you get a younger car as T&H cars legendary RV creates this problem. 17 years old car, is it worth it? Seriously, depends on what you think. Until now I have zero idea what you going to do with the car. Like I said if it is just an extra car that's going to be non-moving most of the time get a newer Myvi/Persona the maintenance won't bite. If it is being used only on weekends and you need the extra space for family then maybe a D-segment or MPV would be something you should be thinking about.

2010 Kia Rio Wagon - if you're looking for something with a bigger boot capacity maybe you should consider a wagon/combi. The Rio might be a decent choice, it isn't too old plus it has a low & flat tailgate for luggage. Space-wise it is somewhere between B-segment and C-segment, older C-segments do feel like B-segments nowadays. Engine maintenance isn't too terrible, it has got a pretty unspectacular 1600cc lump, parts accessibility and pricing isn't too expensive similar to the rest of the Korean ilk. However, don't expect too much performance or good FC from it, it is just good enough.
2013 Nissan Latio 1.6 - very hard to find? I linked it in my previous post. See it for my thoughts.

I wouldn't say it is a terrible car but realistically:
1. don't expect too much from the turbo, eventhough it is a 1600cc turbo it isn't in the same league as the "problematic" 1400cc TSI from VW.
2. since maybe performance sucks it should have good fuel consumption, right? Engine's are always a balance between power/fuel consumption. Well, wrong for CFE. Although performance lose to TSI, fuel consumption also lose to it.

But for around 28-38k range your choices for turbo, loads of accessories, not very old and good safety rating the only other car that would match it up are the 308/408's from Peugeot but then those are even more expensive to maintain than a Preve.
I think it has been discussed before, look back a few pages.
2013 Nissan Sylphy 2.0 - perhaps it is time to get a modern C-segment and upgrade to a 2000cc engine? The Sylphy is cheaper to buy and younger if compared to Civic/Altis, but it has a two flaws. The CVT on this pre-facelift model is known to overheat so a gearbox oil cooler is the first thing you need to invest in when you buy this car, here is a guide. Secondly, it lacks some of the more premium features of a modern C-segment like rear disc brakes and stability control/traction control (even the Lancer/Inspira lack this). It depends on your requirements and driving style, if you're an aggressive driver and clock alot of miles, perhaps you should look elsewhere, if not it is a very value buy car. Maintenance can be said to be dirt cheap because unlike Civic/Altis it lacks many complicated electronics and performance bits so lower grade of semi-syn oil would do for this 2000cc engine (unless you're an aggressive driver of course).

2013 Honda Jazz Hybrid 1.4 - I suppose from the advert this used to be a demo car before it got sold to the used car dealer, probably in better condition than it would have been by a private owner and the mileage if unedited is quite low. The benefits of this model is it uses the very fuel saving combo of a 3-stage vtec engine and CVT, addon the IMA (hybrid) bits and this car becomes a very fuel saving car indeed. Quality wise it is better than the regular Jazz because all hybrids are made in Japan CBU's so the quality is definitely better just feel the interior materials like soft touch plastics. Being a Hybrid and got CVT the typical malaysian mentality makes it a lousy second hand buy so that means it is cheaper than it actually should be, the fuel guzzling non-hybrid 5AT gearbox version is always slightly more expensive at used car dealer lots but I wonder why. The Hybrid has so much more extra besides the better quality it has better parts like ISOFIX seats, special hook childseat, 6 airbags, etc.

2013 Toyota Altis 1.8 - if you're thinking long term like another 7-10 years then consider the Altis. Low maintenance, this particular design still looks pretty handsome especially with bodykits, engine performance is decent, more features than Sylphy.
2012 Proton Satria Neo @ RM18k

Let's use the car above as an example.

1. Yes it is relatively cheap and young.

2. This is usually the point when people aim for cheap and young car, cause it should be less troublesome to upkeep. So what kind of mod's you planning cause the stuff in that blog are pretty drastic stuff.

3. So that's 18k+5k? When you say you have more money meaning lump sum cash to mod or few hundred extra every month for modding cheapo stuff?

4. So you're looking for a project car? Just to show off or something to join a club for?

1999 Honda Civic 1.6 - this model instantly has more power than the Neo without any mods. If the advertisement is true then it is a very nicely taken care of low mileage car. Still has tons of mods for this car in the market but if you're going to just mainly do aesthetics also can, anything 1600cc and below on the roads now without turbo isn't a match for it and it can stand up to 1700cc and even 1800cc powered cars. Maintenance? Cheap for the power you get.
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thank you sifu! another question that i would like to ask, should i look out for those car that still comes with warranty from etc, toyata, honda, nissan? as in to avoid mileage etc being tampered with?
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post Mar 2 2017, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Mar 1 2017, 07:53 PM)
Whenever I visit a used car, I would ask them, is it okay for me to bring the car to a SC to check it up before prior to purchase. If they say no, then I walk out, if yes, continue the process
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QUOTE(zenix @ Mar 2 2017, 12:56 AM)
Previously all Japanese cars only give customers 3 years warranty and generally they have decent to high RV so very unlikely any within 55k range would still have warranty but of course now that is changing with pressure from VW and Koreans giving 5 years warranty, I think Nissan is the one that really put themselves out there with a 7 years warranty offer, before this Mazda was offering 5 years warranty and 3 years free service to boost their sales. So, yes the market is changing but since we're talking about the used car market.....those cars we're looking at typically don't have any warranty.

Unless you want to go for mega deal cars which are conti's which might be abit more troublesome/expensive to maintain but it is a new car, with warranty and all conti's are great to drive.

2015 Peugeot 408 - i've posted this before they're clearing all their current generation of 408's both the 1.6THP and 2.0NA are going for roughly the same price, some pre-reg company/demo cars, some brand new, it really depends but if you go to their HQ or brand in Glenmarie you can pick and choose from a list. Is the car any good? Well, yes when everything is working it is a good car but buying Peugeot in Malaysia means you're brand locking yourself to only authorized service centers as outside shops can't really help you maintain this car unless they are Peugeot specialist coz especially for the 1.6 Turbo all the diagnostics are by computers.

You want to see the new 408 I've linked a youtube video below:


2016 VW Polo/Vento 1.2/1.6 - okay so the hatch is called the Polo and the sedan is called the Vento, both have a choice of either 1.2TSI + 7AT DSG or 1.6NA + 6AT slushbox. From what I'm told the TSI and DSG issues have been resolved with clever maintenance packsbut if you can forgo the forced induced power then the 1600cc NA is a decent engine and paired with a good normal autobox. You've gotta shop around some dealers have cars as old as 2014, some cars are new, some cars are demo/pre-reg/company/etc. So go around and get the best deal, the price range can drop to under 50k for certain mileage/age/status. For new it should be around the 69k range.

Bluntly put it is very difficult to get a genuine mileage if they really want to tamper with it, usually they don't unless a certain car has been sitting in their car lot for sometime. Even if it has warranty they usually won't give you the service booklet/user manual, been around and hardly any used car dealer ever gives it to a used car buyer. They'll always say, "oh this is 2016 car and VW give 5 years warranty, you bring to 3S they will let you claim warranty based on year stamped on car card". Let's say they give you the booklet but it is empty, the owner never service at 3S except for once/twice always also outside workshop and people usually disorganized when sell cars all the receipts they won't handover. Let's say you got the booklet and got information -- you know which 3S the previous user bring it to? Some 3S have their own chop so easier to find out but some just use a generic "HONDA MALAYSIA" stamp and 3S and authorized service centers all run independently without linked data so it's difficult to find out.
Usually it is like this.

Let's say the owner buy the car worth 40k.
Then his repayment every month is 1k.
He pay for 10 months (10k) then kenot afford so rather than sell outside (lose money) or car get tarik (bank black list) he will decide to offer sambing bayar. He will usually ask you pay 10k deposit then continue 1k until loan finish. After that he report police you steal the car then take it back how?

Usually this is scam, better stay away.
Buy singapore car on cash basis also more reliable.
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thank guys for the great advice! ill talk to the dealer and see what i get

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post Sep 7 2023, 02:08 PM

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Hi guys planning to get an upgrade from my 2010 persona. Looking at Altis, kinda love the 2018 facelift, but is it worth to pay for the extra? alternatively, which year shd i look at?

1. Brand : Toyota
2. Budget : 70-80k
3. New/Used/Unreg : Used.
4. Specs : Full Spec


 

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