1. Brand : Honda, Mazda, VW 2. Budget : 120-140k (can edge a bit higher too if there's a suggestion/candidate that's vastly better than the cars at this range for not very significant markup than 140k) 3. New/Used/Unreg : Preferably new 4. Specs : reverse camera, engine start/stop a must 5. Transmission : Auto/CVT 6. NA or FI : either 7. Type : Hatchback/C-segment 8. Remarks : Looking to buy a new car and at first the Civic TC-P seemed like the best option but after hearing complaints in the Civic car club about lots of issues like weird noises and ride height being too low I'm also thinking about the Mazda3 hatchback (high spec Skyactiv). Threw in VW under brand of interest since the Passat is apparently now 15k off till end of this month but not sure which one of these 3 is best for me in order of following priority: fun to drive, comfort, engine reliability and maintenance cost. Resale value isn't as important compared to how well the car drives.
This post has been edited by KingArthurVI: Apr 19 2018, 05:50 PM
Between the three you've listed I'd go for Mazda 3.. But if you want more options: Hyundai Elantra Sports? Better driveability compared to Civic and has more power over the Civic.
Mainly because of looks, the Elantra Sport looks quite dated both interior and exterior wise IMHO
QUOTE(lockheed90 @ Apr 20 2018, 08:54 AM)
Why not consider CX5 2.0 GL? priced at 133k
I was looking at the higher end CX-5 models which are definitely out of my price range... entry level models typically don’t interest me because of lack of cool features or leather seats etc, but I’ll go check out the spec comparison now, thanks!
Edit, for GL there’s only leather upgrade option which isn’t too bad but the lamps are mostly bulbs and that’s a letdown. I also don’t think I need SUV at this point of time so I’ll mostly still stick to hatchbacks or C sedans
This post has been edited by KingArthurVI: Apr 20 2018, 04:01 PM
Interesting stuff man. Do keep us posted on what you do decide on in the end. I'm in the same boat as you, but looking to purchase only by year end.
Cheers! J
Will do! Going to test drive the Mazda3 this weekend hopefully that’ll help make up my mind. My plan is to get a booking in during Raya month when there most likely is going to be rebates all around.
well if you're interested to deal for a passat (d-segment) i'm able to get you a current year model for near 120k, and a year older near 80k. spec varies.
I'm slightly interested in the Passat, where are you based out of? I live in Penang so might be harder to deal
This post has been edited by KingArthurVI: Apr 24 2018, 03:36 PM
Hi all, thinking of getting a fun manual car to drive under 60k or so.
Main things to consider:
- must have manual transmission - chassis and body control must be ok, meaning not something like Axia or Myvi - willing to take something up to around 10 years old. Spare parts availability is a big concern, preferably easy to fix and service - don’t plan to mod engine beyond stock
With these criteria, looks like most posters overwhelmingly like the Suzuki Swift Sport over other options. wondering if there are other good options out there. Thanks.
any honda integra is fine. they usually are quite good from the get go and most owners (except crazies) will just do some like mods like cold-air in-take. don't buy heavily modded cars they might be too fakkap deswai the owner discarding it. honda's of that generation make alot of power from small engines but won't pass today's emission standards.
Thanks for your input. What about if made year 2010 onwards? Any suggestions?
I have a new Ketam but because my wife might need a car soon I was planning on passing the civic to her and get a fun car for myself.
Budget wise I was thinking under 60k. Cash not ready at this time, just hand itchy. Once I make up my mind which one to get perhaps will pull trigger by end of year.
Swift Sport ZC32S is an excellent car if you don't prioritize much on straight line power but enjoy handling. Highly recommended if you want a small fun car and ok to spend that much on small car.
Other option maybe Subaru WRX STI v8/9, but much older already (15 years old or more). Not as easy to fix due to boxer engine but parts availability are still good. Not as sharp as Evos but still an excellent performance car and value for money coz price much cheaper than Evos.
Thanks bro for the ZC32S vouch. Yeah the WRX STI is a bit on the older side plus I’m not too into the look. Will keep an eye out for available SSS’es for next few months
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oh new car ownership blues you're regretting you didn't get the turbo or you got the turbo but feel disappointed?
SSS is nice but it is rare so good luck on upkeeping it on the cheap, and you're always gonna be the runt of any performance car gathering.
2007 Honda Civic Euro FN2R - if you want status, performance and pocket friendly upkeep then pickup this rare babe, though the other two below are more expensive to upkeep they're rare turbo babes that imho is worth it!
2012 Mazda3 MPS 2.3T - if you want a serious performance hatch with turbo and isn't too old then this is one of the better picks. In our market there aren't many similar cars in it's category which you can buy for this price, overseas it is in the same category as Civic Type-R FD2R (it's rival then) and Ford Focus ST. Pro's is a nice 2.3T engine with 6 speed manual, it is Japanese so lotsa parts sharing with it's not so glamorous siblings but you really need to shop around and join a club or something to find workshops that can deal with it and keep upkeep cost under control. It has sleeper looks except for that hood air scoop but many people would think it is fake unless you tailgating them at close to 200kmh
2013 Ford Focus ST 2.0T - same pro's and con's as the Mazda3 MPS. Both models are EOL so no point talking about direct support from the brand owners in Malaysia as it is going to be expensive it is better to get parts from stockist or specialist workshops. I say in terms of looks except for the ridiculous bodykits that they were sold in to clear the stocks (they were being sold above 200k back then) most were really sleepers. Very ordinary looking so if you're into that the ST is it, the only thing that screams performance is that ST badge and they only can see it once you overtake them.
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it is the initial buy in trap like conti's. cheaper to buy but upkeep heavier. evo's tend to be "cheaper" only because they are popular here due to proton. also some mundane stuff like wiper arms, seals, pumps are shared across many models which helps lower overall cost. but for the performance bits replacement they are at around the same price for evo/sti/wrx. my experience with evo's are 5,6,7 and wrx/sti is version 10 so i could be wrong
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Haha I got the turbo but it’s a huge letdown. I’m kicking myself in the face for getting a CVT—the drive is boring. Even though the handling is ok, the CVT and lifelessness of the whole experience just kills it for me.
Out of your other recommendations I like the Civic Type R the most, because of the idea that upkeep costs should be quite manageable.
However the car I’m interested in the most is still the SSS ZC32S. Like you said it’s quite rare, but would you say that the parts are easy to come by? I see a lot of normal Swifts on the road, and I assume they share the majority of parts except for the engine? If upkeep’s going to be a pain I might need to look at FN2R more instead. Thanks for your detailed responses so far!
FN2R is more rare so parts especially exterior and interior might be more difficult.
ZC32S is still quite easy to get parts.
Of course I test drove the Civic before buying, but at that time the priority was a comfortable and yet somewhat sporty-looking car, and the Civic checks those boxes. Let's just say priorities have changed in me now
Good to know ZC32S parts availability is ok, but it's really hard to find a used one nowadays. The only one I found was RM63,700 here... price is OK for me but I don't like only having 1 option to choose from. Perhaps I'll wait for a little while for more options to pop up but idk if that'll even happen
(SSS) ZC32S and FN2R are both rare. Depends on what you really want. SSS has a well tuned chassis and slightly upgraded engine. Nothing really spectacular about it, it doesn't really have alot of go faster bits, which is a pros for cheaper maintenance basically putting a bigger engine in a small chassis and tune that chassis to handle the power isn't too much of a strain for the engine to perform so you can still think of it as a normal car, cons is of course performance takes a hit. It is like the Mazda Miata for people to enjoy the purity of driving a well made, well balance car, good for twisting roads fun.....but if a FD2R irritates you on the highway you don't have enough ponies to overtake it or maintain a high speed chase.....in twisty roads you have a chance but it will be easier for him as it's got more power.....like AE86 if you watch Intial D....can win but need some effort. If you're among your SSS club members it all fun.....but knowing our kiasu culture if you go for car meet with other more powerful sports cars sure there will be some talentless dadikasi dickhead will talk you down. So yeah maintenance is actually quite cheap on this if you can source for the parts for engine and GB, rest of it can use from the regular model.
However imho the FN2R is the better overall car.....it has the CTR history.....better engine, chassis tuning, and package.....street cred....won't it be nice to park a CTR next to your ketam? civic family
You might see some fool selling FD2R around 70-80k just grab it. The price for those will go up as soon as the fad for CTR with turbo's wears off and they want back the purity of the CTR without turbo's. [/spoiler]
think u read it the other way around if u compare evo and sti/wrx sti/wrx is always cheaper for the same model/year against evo
Cost is a factor, straight line speed not so much since I have the ketam for highway driving and long distance travel, so in that sense the SSS seems like a better buy because of age and probably cost for parts, seeing as the regular Swift is popular in our market.
Thanks so much for the very valuable and well thought out response. I’ll seriously consider between ZC32S and the FN2R and also FD2R!
Between FN2R and FD2R, surely go for FD2R, much better looking and much easier to find parts.
I agree. The main thing is the FD2R is a lot expensive right off the bat... though I suspect upkeep and the nicer appearance would pay dividends over time. It’ll also look nice next to my FC
Thanks for your frank opinion and assistance as well bro.
Hey guys, if buying direct from BMW dealer like Auto Bavaria, what does the financing package look like? Is it typically lower than bank hire purchase interest rate?
what do you mean? buying used car from their premium selection range?
Buying new car direct from BMW Malaysia. Their website says they have low interest financing but don’t know anything about it and hard to find out online
Hi guys, just curious for most C+ segment vehicles (sedan and SUV) is it possible to still seat two adults in the back after putting a child car seat on one of the outer rear seats? Or am I better off looking for 3-row options like the Mazda CX-8 or Volvo XC90?
depends on how big your adult friends are and how long the journey if your MIL and Mom behind u better invest in a 7 seater trust me bro!
lol yeah... but most 7-seaters on the market aren't enticing to me, only the CX-8 seems like a good purchase for someone who likes cars. The rest are either too low-powered (Alza, Veloz type) or too expensive (XC90, X7). If possible I'd like to stay with 2-row vehicles or something like XC60
you mean you like the built-in booster seat for kids in the Volvo?
btw please use the standard form so we can understand fully then discuss not bit by bit
1. Brand : Reputable, not the new Chinese brands that only recently came into Malaysia 2. Budget : 150-300k (can flex upwards a little bit) 3. New/Used/Unreg : preferably new but if used means I get a much better vehicle at reasonable price I can consider it 4. Specs : must have full safety suite (AEB, BSM, RCTA), memory driver seat (wife and I sharing the car as I WFH and don't need a dedicated car), 360 camera for tight parking in Georgetown, and either Android OS or support Apple CarPlay. ACC with stop & go is a bonus 5. Transmission : automatic/CVT is fine, using as family car 6. NA or FI : doesn’t matter, using as family car 7. Type : SUV (5 or 7 seaters both options are open to consideration) 8. Remarks : wife and I are thinking of starting a family so need to account for child seat and fetching two adults in back (either side parents/in-laws) sometimes for meals. My use case is 99% city driving as I live on Penang island.
Current candidates based on what I know:
CR-V 2.0 e:HEV Pros: good fuel economy, spacious, Honda sensing, good low-end torque for city driving, slidable and reclining rear seats, 12-speaker Bose. Cons: LaneWatch™ not real BSM and only works on one side. Honda QC shit and not sure if the steering rack issue affects this new CR-V too. Hybrid could be problematic if something goes wrong (but 8 years warranty)?
CX-5 or CX-8 (2.5 NA or 2.5T) Pros: better handling than the rest at this price range, has all the safety and autonomous stuff I want. Ventilated front seats Cons: Extremely bad FC on both 2.5 variants (can’t help it since need high plus trim to get full equipment). 360 camera res is so bad. 6 speakers only and unbranded. Super small infotainment screen. Less spacious than the rest. Note: I lump both CX-5 and CX-8 together here as the latest CX-5 FL brings it up to par with CX-8, so the only difference seems to be that CX-8 is 3-row albeit with captain middle seats.
Toyota Harrier Pros: full fat equipment/spec, literally has everything I can ask for. CBU quality. Looks great. Air purifier. Nice moon roof with electrochromic shade. Cons: almost 100k more compared to CX-5 and CR-V. Can’t think of much else TBH
Volvo XC60 B5 (mild hybrid) Pros: Air purifier. Much more premium cabin feel. Built-in Android OS comes with maps and Spotify without needing to connect phone. Child booster seats. Rear AC on B pillar arguably better for rear passengers/kids. Cons: much more expensive than the rest above (not sure if worth it). Mild hybrid is another thing that could go wrong like e:HEV.
This post has been edited by KingArthurVI: May 6 2024, 03:14 PM
Honda CRV: I think just skip it, there isn't too much improvement from the outgoing model but the price has been bumped up slightly. Also most of the lanewatch/assist and start-stop technology is useless. They say they've strengthen the starter so it won't break so easily but hey you're going from just turning the car on once when you start a drive to turning it on at every traffic light it will die ngam ngam when your warranty is over -- built-in obsolescence.
Nissan X-Trail: Same as Honda. This was the first car to have 360 camera but compared to the one in the Toyota Cross, it is ancient. Do get a test drive on both and know the difference yourself.
Mazda: Their best claim to fame is their naturally aspirated skyactiv engine's which will give you mileage similar to that of a diesel. The turbo for their petrol and diesel although having the same skyactiv moniker doesn't get enough love that's why it always feels like something shoehorned to their cars. The 2.2T diesel especially for Malaysia is not a choice because the diesel we have here is usually "dirty diesel" installing an app to find Euro5 diesel is a hassle, if you want to add difficulty level try install app to find EV charging locations if you like this game. Thus, if you're looking for Mazda just aim for the CX5.
Volvo: In general if their cars stated to have a 48V electric engine then it is a HEV no matter the engine designation, meaning it is a small electric engine to help the petrol engine usually designed for low-end speed so when you're puttering around town can save fuel and won't tekan pedal habis2 for pickup feel. I say it is lousy, Volvo Recharge which are the PHEV is where it is at.
If you're okay with EV but still want everything go checkout the BMW iX
I think EV not too well suited for now because I'm living in condo. Out of the few you mentioned and looking at my original requirements, which ones will you shortlist for me?
Actually CR-V is not bad this gen, looking at C&D reviews it's actually #1 in their compact SUV segment, scored higher than CX-5 and CX-50
CRV and CX5 are good and ticks all the boxes unless you want to nit-pick, however they only seat 5, i recall you're looking for 5+2.
I recall 5+2 or 7 seater SUV's would be
Toyota Fortuner but it's built from a pickup platform so the ride height is higher and uncomfortable ride Lexus GX and LX models have it but way over budget and size like Toyota Landcruiser Toyota Rush/Perodua Aruz is decent if you're looking for cheap transportation but don't expect too much refinement Mazda CX8 is quite decent actually if you can look past the fc which isn't skyactiv level. Chery Tiggo 8 Pro has it but I feel it is overpriced Haval H6 is also a China brand but this one has much more kit than the Chery, it is a turbo hybrid like Volvo, glass roof, auto park, alot of next gen tech, and cheaper than Chery
Those are for new......recon/unreg I'll only recommend you consider a Toyota/Lexus.
The thing is for Malaysia and Malaysians manufacturers just come out with these next gen technologies to differentiate themselves because they know Malaysians don't utilities and after initial launch some of those will be removed and replaced with things Malaysian users like, e.g. brighter and more lights on the car, leather seats, bodykits, etc.
Most people buy the highest spec for ego and wanting the best, however alot of these tech just goes unused or have to turn off which becomes a hassle.
Thanks man! I was indeed thinking about 5+2 but my wife said to think more about 90% of our use case instead of bending backwards to fulfill the 10% use case, so that's what I'm doing: starting to consider 5-seaters too.
At the moment I'm leaning towards the CR-V 2.0 e:HEV, but the thing about the CR-V especially the e:HEV is that there's not a lot of reviews out there. I only saw one from Tai Choo Yee and that was from his Thailand test drive before official launch in MY.
Aruz is severely underpowered with Myvi engine moving 1.3 tons using ancient 4AT. To be avoided. Rush is no longer on sale as Veloz is positioned as a SUV with 190mm ground clearance.
In fact, with 185mm clearance, Innova Zenix might have enough height for KingArthurVI to consider.
Thanks for your input! I have not looked at the Innova Zenix before so this is new to me.
Looking at it, there are a few things that stood out:
- Captain seats setup looks nice: 2+2+3 - Full safety suite - Rear suspension is torsion beam - Engine is a bit underpowered even on the hybrid 202k variant, only 202Nm whereas the CR-V e:HEV has 335Nm
Will think more on it, but for now I'm leaning towards CR-V 2.0 e:HEV.
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