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post Jun 29 2016, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(atong @ Jun 29 2016, 01:54 PM)
That is rehash bullshit... Go read the Quran from the Quran. Not from the blog.
This is the truth 9:5

"And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."

And this is the next sentence, 9:6

"And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know."

You took some of the words, manipulate it and blame it. Please take your bullshit away with you.

Going back to the initial argument. No word of kafir harbi here.

Your kafir harbi in Quran argument is invalid.
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your interpretation on the two verses please.
Zaryl
post Jun 29 2016, 05:29 PM

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non muslim pandai2 quote from one or two verses of Quran and misinterpret them to their own thinking, saying kafir is needed to be slayed upon.

Nice logic there /k.

Go find one ustaz and learn from him.
If you learn on your own, you will be lost because you are unable to understand the knowledge yourself. You need guidance from educated person, such as ustaz or the ulama.

Among the revert ustaz are those like Ebit Lew & etc. They are more than welcome to enlighten you.
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post Jun 29 2016, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(bereev @ Jun 29 2016, 08:01 AM)
slow poke drillz since thread 12 page also dun have one
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Dafuq, at first I though its a human with no skin.
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post Jun 29 2016, 05:34 PM

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Someone needs to create AI quick. Just to remind us all that nobody is above anyone, not even from almighty religion of u kafir u mati
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post Jun 29 2016, 05:36 PM

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police so fast can rule out terrorists

got telepathy is it????


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post Jun 29 2016, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(atong @ Jun 29 2016, 01:54 PM)
That is rehash bullshit... Go read the Quran from the Quran. Not from the blog.
This is the truth 9:5

"And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."

And this is the next sentence, 9:6

"And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know."

You took some of the words, manipulate it and blame it. Please take your bullshit away with you.

Going back to the initial argument. No word of kafir harbi here.

Your kafir harbi in Quran argument is invalid.
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My understanding as a non-Muslim is that unless I "repent" and join the club, I can be killed ,captured and my family and friends besieged?

And the second verse is that I will be granted protection if I ask for it and that I will be delivered to my "place of safety", which I assume is non-Muslim/non-Islam land. So what if my "place of safety" is in the Muslim/Islam land?

I am searching for something called dar al-harb as well where it is mentioned that "harbi" means enemy?
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post Jun 29 2016, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(qwerty99 @ Jun 29 2016, 06:29 PM)
well i am learning from the best: mufti of pahang.

Didn't he brand DAP and its followers as kafir harbi, which means enemy of islam, which means that they can be slaughtered?
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Dont just learn from one ulama.
Learn from multiple teachers to get the best enlightenment.
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post Jun 29 2016, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Jun 29 2016, 07:58 PM)
Dont just learn from one ulama.
Learn from multiple teachers to get the best enlightenment.
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Do you agree with Pahang ulama?
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post Jun 29 2016, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(takadanicklagi @ Jun 29 2016, 08:05 PM)
Do you agree with Pahang ulama?
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No i don't agree with him.
Kafir harbi are the ones who imposed war to other muslims.
Such example is the Zionist Israel like they did to the Palestinians.
Not all Israel are kafir habir, just the Zionist group only.

Intel israel, Mcdonald israel, FB israel, Toyolta Israel, Proton Perdana 2016 Israel all those are not kafir harbi.
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post Jun 29 2016, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(nakal_mode @ Jun 29 2016, 06:26 PM)
My understanding as a non-Muslim is that unless I "repent" and join the club, I can be killed ,captured and my family and friends besieged?

And the second verse is that I will be granted protection if I ask for it and that I will be delivered to my "place of safety", which I assume is non-Muslim/non-Islam land. So what if my "place of safety" is in the Muslim/Islam land?

I am searching for something called dar al-harb as well where it is mentioned that "harbi" means enemy?
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Well.. This is just a part of many verses. Too long to put all the verses here.

It is based on grace period during war where the non believers need to get out from muslim land. Before muslim won the war, the muslim and their families were laughed at, tortured and even killed for being a muslim. Then after muslim won the war.. the non believers were given time to leave and even protection if they seek that from muslim.

For detailed Kafir Harbi meaning, you can read on Mufti Perlis Dr. Maza articles. Google it.. I am using smartphone atm

This post has been edited by atong: Jun 29 2016, 09:31 PM
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post Jul 4 2016, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(lonelynora @ Jul 4 2016, 05:23 PM)
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post Jul 4 2016, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(Lumiaaa @ Jun 29 2016, 05:36 PM)
police so fast can rule out terrorists

got telepathy is it????
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i think is a precaution taken by them...anything involve bombing in public places would be consider red status and terrorist act..... hmm.gif

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