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post Jun 23 2016, 06:22 PM, updated 9y ago

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For those who enjoy or are interested in recreational scuba diving... LYN's very own Scuba Diving Thread! Explore the 70% of the world.

V1: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/761856
V2: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2724734
V3: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2916413
V4: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3154307
V5: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3371064
V6: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3647561

Frequently Asked Questions
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PADI Scuba Diving Courses
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Discovery Scuba Dive (DSD)
What
Experience Scuba Diving without certification
Price
From RM50 - RM250 depending where you decide to have it done
Where
Most city dive centers (dive in swimming pools) and almost all island dive centers (dive in the sea)
Minimum Age
10 years old and above

PADI Open Water Certification
What
Entry level certification where you learn the required skills to dive in open water. This certification is focused at you looking after yourself while diving.
Price
From RM850 - RM2500 depending where and how you decide to have your course done
Where
All city and island dive centers. Please contact them personally for more details
Minimum Age
10 years old and above for Junior OW Diver, 15 years old and above for OW Diver
Prerequisites
Able to swim continuously for at least 200m or snorkel for 300m and swim/float for 10 minutes on water surface
Depth Limitations
12 meters 11-12 years old Junior Open Water Diver and 18 meters for 12-14 year old Junior Open Water Diver
**There is no limitation for Open Water Diver but please dive within your training.

Learning Process
- 5 Chapter Theory (Revision, Video, Quizzes, Knowledge Review & Final Exam)
- 5 Confined Water (Learn & Practice Scuba Skill in Pool/Shallow Water)
- 4 Open Water Certification Trip (Practice scuba skill in water deeper than 6 meters with instruction provision)

More info: https://www.padi.com/elearning-scuba-regist...ml/owinfoen.htm

PADI Advance Open Water Diver
What
Second level certification, allowing the diver to explore different environment underwater (Eg, night dive, deep dive 30m)
Price
RM750 onwards
Where
All city and island dive centers. Please contact them personally for more details
Minimum Age
10 years old and above for Junior AOW Diver, 15 years old and above for AOW Diver
Prerequisites
PADI Open Water Certification or equivalent
Depth Limitations
12m for 10-11 year old Junior Advance Open Water
21m for 12-14 year old Junior Advance Open Water
30m Advance Open Water Diver

Learning Process
- 5 Theory (Revision, Quizzes, Knowledge Review)
- 5 Open Water Adventure Dive including Deep Dive, Underwater Navigation and choose another 3 (Night Diver, Peak Performance Buoyancy, Wreck Diver, Boat Diver, Underwater Naturalist and others depending what is available by the dive center or instructor)

More info: https://www.padi.com/elearning-scuba-regist...ml/aowinfo1.htm

PADI Rescue Diver
What
Challenge yourself to learn more about self rescue, recognizing diver stress, assisting divers in need of help, responding to emergencies and more.
Price
Rescue Course is about RM1200 **Depends on dive centers
Where
All city and island dive centers. Please enquire with them personally for more details
Minimum Age
12 years old and above
Prerequisites
PADI Adventure Diver with Navigation Adventure Dive or equivalent with First Aid and CPR certification within the previous 2 years. (PADI EFR is about RM450 and can be done during the rescue course)

Learning Process
- Theory (Revision, Quizzes, Knowledge Review)
- 1 self rescue exercise
- 10 rescue exercises in open water
- 2 Rescue Diver Scenarios in open water

More info: https://www.padi.com/elearning-scuba-regist...html/Rescue.htm

Go PRO with PADI Dive Master
What
First step to becoming a professional diver. Plan, organize and direct dives, as well as assist instructors with their students. Conduct DSD(T&C), Scuba Review programs and more.
Price
Depends very much on the dive center. Different places will provide different DM packages.
DM are required to pay a yearly membership fees. PADI is approximately RM600 a year. PADI PROs are required to have diving insurance as well.
Where
Most dive centers, city or island provides the course. Island and city dive centers may conduct it differently, contact the dive center of your choice to inquire.
How Long
Island based DM require minimum 4 weeks while city base DM may require 3 months but are more flexible with time.
Minimum Age
18 years and above
Prerequisites
PADI AOW and Rescue Diver or equivalent with a minimum of 40 logged dives when you begin the course (60 logged dives to be certified). Qualified EFR training completed within the past 2 years.

More info: https://www.padi.com/elearning-scuba-regist...ivemasteren.htm

General Tips & Safety

General Tips about Scuba Diving
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Safety Tips about Scuba Diving
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Tips for Avoiding Accidents
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Decompression Sickness (DCS)
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Equipment
In general we suggest that you do not buy your equipment that early in your stage of diving as you do not fully understand your diving style yet. A few items that is okay to purchase before or in the early stage of your diving adventure is a mask. Masks are relatively cheaper and would make the experience more comfortable if you have a fitting one. The other item is possibly a rashguard, given that you are taking your Open Water in a tropical waters of 28-30 degrees celcius.

How to choose the right equipment?
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*Things mentioned here are based on fellow members personal experiences and research. I apologize if there's any mistake and please do correct me if I'm wrong!*
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This post has been edited by EvanSoon: Mar 24 2017, 03:12 PM
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post Jun 23 2016, 06:23 PM

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Upcoming LYN Dive Trips
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LYN Scuba Diving Completed Trips
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LYN's Scuba Divers 1st Dive Trip - Perhentian Island with Seahorse Dive Center

LYN's Scuba Divers 2nd Dive Trip - Tenggol Island LOB with MV Duyong Dervish

LYN's Scuba Divers 3rd Dive Trip - Tioman Island with Marine Monkees

LYN's Scuba Divers 4th Dive Trip - Redang Island with Laguna Redang Dive Center

LYN's Scuba Divers 5th Dive Trip - Perhentian Island with Quiver Dive Center

LYN's Scuba Divers 6th Dive Trip - Pom Pom Island

LYN's Scuba Divers 7th Dive Trip -  Perhentian Island with Bakawan Divers
Malaysia International Dive Expo (MIDE)
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MALAYSIA INTERNATIONAL DIVE EXPO (MIDE) 2017
Date: 12-14th May 2017
Venue: Putra World Trade Centre (PWTC), Kuala Lumpur
Website: http://mide.com.my/mide-2017/

List of Dive Center In KL & Klang Valley
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List of Dive Center Outside of Klang Valley
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Freelance Instructor

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Evan Soon (EvanSoon) - PM for more information

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post Jun 23 2016, 06:57 PM

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Hi sifus..i'm interested in SCUBA diving but why do i have to dress up like an astronaut to go underwater?
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QUOTE(demetrius @ Jun 23 2016, 06:57 PM)
Hi sifus..i'm interested in SCUBA diving but why do i have to dress up like an astronaut to go underwater?
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You are a lego, I can just throw you into the water and you'll survive. tongue.gif
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i'm really interested to buy Lego scuba diver. so far there is one set available at the toy stores (Lego City range). is there any other options?
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QUOTE(ericcc @ Jun 24 2016, 10:42 AM)
i'm really interested to buy Lego scuba diver. so far there is one set available at the toy stores (Lego City range). is there any other options?
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Commission my wife to make a clay diver tongue.gif
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jun 24 2016, 08:55 AM)
Commission my wife to make a clay diver tongue.gif
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I want to order mini nudibranch

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QUOTE(ericcc @ Jun 24 2016, 08:42 AM)
i'm really interested to buy Lego scuba diver. so far there is one set available at the toy stores (Lego City range). is there any other options?
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u mean this series?
http://brickset.com/sets/theme-Town/subtheme-Divers

Or this?
http://www.lego.com/en-us/minifigures/char...18f35ce971ed785

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post Jun 24 2016, 10:40 AM

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Anyone 15July - 17 July . Tengol Dive ?
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QUOTE(alexketsueki @ Jun 24 2016, 11:56 AM)
Anyone 15July - 17 July . Tengol Dive ?
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too poor to go diving cry.gif
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jun 24 2016, 12:00 PM)
too poor to go diving  cry.gif
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Dont play me oh.. Jom.. Still got 3 week to go for you to save money.
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QUOTE(alexketsueki @ Jun 24 2016, 12:12 PM)
Dont play me oh.. Jom.. Still got 3 week to go for you to save money.
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If 3 weeks enough for me to save to go diving I every 3 weeks go diving once lo...
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thumbup.gif New v7... thumbsup.gif
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If 3 weeks enough for me to save to go diving I every 3 weeks go diving once lo...
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You can 1. biggrin.gif

Who else ? July lai lai lai

V7 V7 <-- Btw apa ni hmm.gif
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QUOTE(alexketsueki @ Jun 24 2016, 11:56 AM)
Anyone 15July - 17 July . Tengol Dive ?
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i am going tenggol dive next week rclxm9.gif
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i am going tenggol dive next week  rclxm9.gif
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How much all together ? How you go bro ? Got itinerary ?
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Why everyone is going tenggol ? confused.gif
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jun 24 2016, 04:47 PM)
Why everyone is going tenggol ?  confused.gif
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I wonder y too. confused.gif
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jun 24 2016, 04:47 PM)
Why everyone is going tenggol ?  confused.gif
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jun 24 2016, 04:48 PM)
I wonder y too.  confused.gif
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https://www.facebook.com/wongpooisan/media_...e=3&pnref=story

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Hello V7 biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jun 23 2016, 10:14 PM)
You are a lego, I can just throw you into the water and you'll survive. tongue.gif
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I would be very photogenic underwater. I'd make a good 'model' for creative underwater shots. If you want something other than fish or nudis la. Lol
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Sien la tenggol. Jom kuantan
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Greetings,

Can anyone point me to the cheapest PADI Open Water Certification in Klang Valley please.

Thank you
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hi,any dive comp recommend?around RM1k- RM1500
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QUOTE(demetrius @ Jun 24 2016, 07:14 PM)
I would be very photogenic underwater. I'd make a good 'model' for creative underwater shots. If you want something other than fish or nudis la. Lol
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Hahaha I have no such creativity lol. Plus I suck at portrait and wide angel shots tongue.gif

QUOTE(Sham903n @ Jun 24 2016, 08:48 PM)
Greetings,

Can anyone point me to the cheapest PADI Open Water Certification in Klang Valley please.

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Cheapest doesn't mean bestest. If you are looking for good deals, just wait for MIDE coming up end next month at pwtc.

QUOTE(dogdog133 @ Jun 25 2016, 12:01 AM)
hi,any dive comp recommend?around RM1k- RM1500
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Check out mares smart. Now got many nice colors too.
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whale shark not at tenggol anymore..... now in redang.... faster go change dive destination......
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oh ya... I went to a store called Decathlon in Sungai buloh... huge sports mart.... cater for ALL kind of sports.... they got the cheapest wetsuit ever.... 2mm full suit for around RM130.... shortie around RM70....


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Hi all, newbie girl diver here.

I'm looking for fin recommendations for small sized feet (EU 35). All of the fins (Mares Volo, Mares Quattro) that I was initially interested in didn't come in XS. sad.gif and the S won't even fit with 3mm booties. Preferably paddle fins too.
Any advice would be very much appreciated!
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QUOTE(hazelnet @ Jun 24 2016, 06:04 PM)
Whale shark depends on luck ma. Redang Perhentian also will have.

QUOTE(Peppercorn @ Jun 25 2016, 12:22 PM)
Hi all, newbie girl diver here.

I'm looking for fin recommendations for small sized feet (EU 35). All of the fins (Mares Volo, Mares Quattro)  that I was initially interested in didn't come in XS. sad.gif and the S won't even fit with 3mm booties. Preferably paddle fins too.
Any advice would be very much appreciated!
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Hello. Have you tried Gull or Aeris Accel. I think they have XS. What size in US is EU35?
Go to MIDE early in the morning. You get to test out more fins.

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hi all.. just passing by.. laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(alexketsueki @ Jun 24 2016, 01:55 PM)
How much all together ? How you go bro ? Got itinerary ?
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I thought you went there earlier? blink.gif
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Hi all,

im planning to take up the OWD certification and im told that it would be preferable to prepare your own basic equipment i.e mask,fins and dive boots. that being said with MIDE coming up soon on average how much would i need to spend on those equipment compared to off-expo pricing?

im currently planning to set aside at least 1100-ish to get reasonably mid end equipment

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QUOTE(dogdog133 @ Jun 25 2016, 12:01 AM)
hi,any dive comp recommend?around RM1k- RM1500
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+1 for mares smart. Recommended by many.

QUOTE(DrBarbarian @ Jun 25 2016, 09:22 AM)
oh ya... I went to a store called Decathlon in Sungai buloh... huge sports mart.... cater for ALL kind of sports.... they got the cheapest wetsuit ever.... 2mm full suit for around RM130.... shortie around RM70....
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Ooo cool. Thx for the info, will check it out.

QUOTE(Peppercorn @ Jun 25 2016, 12:22 PM)
Hi all, newbie girl diver here.

I'm looking for fin recommendations for small sized feet (EU 35). All of the fins (Mares Volo, Mares Quattro)  that I was initially interested in didn't come in XS. sad.gif and the S won't even fit with 3mm booties. Preferably paddle fins too.
Any advice would be very much appreciated!
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Any other features you'd prefer? Coz there's a long list of fins available.

QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jun 25 2016, 08:01 PM)
Hi all,

im planning to take up the OWD certification and im told that it would be preferable to prepare your own basic equipment i.e mask,fins and dive boots. that being said with MIDE coming up soon on average how much would i need to spend on those equipment compared to off-expo pricing?

im currently planning to set aside at least 1100-ish to get reasonably mid end equipment
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Any pool dives prior to your open water dives? I would actually recommend you to try out the rental gear first. That'll give you a better idea of what you'd want.
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QUOTE(demetrius @ Jun 25 2016, 09:03 PM)
Any pool dives prior to your open water dives? I would actually recommend you to try out the rental gear first. That'll give you a better idea of what you'd want.
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unfortunately no,

although i should come clean and mention that i did plenty of homework over the course of a year and roughly know what kind of equipment make,model i want and thought that finally after all of that i should bite the bullet and make a serious purchase since i do intend to make the most out of this.

i know i might sound like shooting for the moon on short notice but this is what i plan to get during MIDE

-Seawing Nova Gorilla or either Seawing Nova(depends on the feedback i get since they seem to be getting a mixed reaction)
-Delta Boot 5mm or Base Boot 5mm(depends on creature comforts i guess)
-Scubapro Trinidad Frameless

and maybe

-a full Rash guard of some sort?

so all in all any rough estimates what im looking at in terms of pricing during MIDE?

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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jun 25 2016, 11:04 PM)
unfortunately no,

although i should come clean and mention that i did plenty of homework over the course of a year and roughly know what kind of equipment make,model i want and thought that finally after all of that i should bite the bullet and make a serious purchase since i do intend to make the most out of this.

i know i might sound like shooting for the moon on short notice but this is what i plan to get during MIDE

-Seawing Nova Gorilla or either Seawing Nova(depends on the feedback i get since they seem to be getting a mixed reaction)
-Delta Boot 5mm or Base Boot 5mm(depends on creature comforts i guess)
-Scubapro Trinidad Frameless

and maybe

-a full Rash guard of some sort?

so all in all any rough estimates what im looking at in terms of pricing during MIDE?
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the gorilla was so heavy.. i personal feel.. isn't?
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QUOTE(dogdog133 @ Jun 25 2016, 12:01 AM)
hi,any dive comp recommend?around RM1k- RM1500
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jun 25 2016, 11:39 PM)
the gorilla was so heavy.. i personal feel.. isn't?
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i dont really know whats the difference apart from the fact that the gorilla has more kickback compared to the standard Nova? at least thats the kind of mixed reviews people have been saying,i suppose i wont personally know until i compare them.

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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jun 25 2016, 06:35 AM)
Cheapest doesn't mean bestest. If you are looking for good deals, just wait for MIDE coming up end next month at pwtc.
Just wanna get the OWD over with.. I guess Ill wait for MIDE..

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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jun 25 2016, 11:04 PM)
unfortunately no,

although i should come clean and mention that i did plenty of homework over the course of a year and roughly know what kind of equipment make,model i want and thought that finally after all of that i should bite the bullet and make a serious purchase since i do intend to make the most out of this.

i know i might sound like shooting for the moon on short notice but this is what i plan to get during MIDE

-Seawing Nova Gorilla or either Seawing Nova(depends on the feedback i get since they seem to be getting a mixed reaction)
-Delta Boot 5mm or Base Boot 5mm(depends on creature comforts i guess)
-Scubapro Trinidad Frameless

and maybe

-a full Rash guard of some sort?

so all in all any rough estimates what im looking at in terms of pricing during MIDE?
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Wow. Have you tried any of them?
Those are quality stuff. But depending on your needs, you might find that they may not fit all situations in the future. Personally i wouldn't suggest spending so much so early on, especially on booties. Mid-range brands would suffice, granting you space for error and to consider another purchase. Unless of course, money is not an issue.

I admit i'm not a gear tester, nor do i have personal experience with many different kinds of gear. But based on what i've been through, priorities change over time. I thought i'd make only 1 fin purchase for life, but in the end i realized i needed smaller ones. Bought 3 masks coz the first was poorly planned and the second cracked. Others i've heard changed their bcd from a full-featured back-inflate to the basic jacket because of hassle, durability, and the fact that to teach students they need to practice what they preach.

Then later on, who knows you might even consider getting a full set. That's when the more serious purchases are contemplated. Or you might consider underwater photography. That's when you splash the cash. So save up while you can.

Just my few cents though..those are still awesome gear to get if you can afford it easily..
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QUOTE(Peppercorn @ Jun 25 2016, 02:22 PM)
Hi all, newbie girl diver here.

I'm looking for fin recommendations for small sized feet (EU 35). All of the fins (Mares Volo, Mares Quattro)  that I was initially interested in didn't come in XS. sad.gif and the S won't even fit with 3mm booties. Preferably paddle fins too.
Any advice would be very much appreciated!
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Consider getting thicker booties (5-7mm), or one with thick soles... but I don't know whether you can find such booties in your size in the first place sweat.gif
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jun 25 2016, 11:04 PM)
unfortunately no,

although i should come clean and mention that i did plenty of homework over the course of a year and roughly know what kind of equipment make,model i want and thought that finally after all of that i should bite the bullet and make a serious purchase since i do intend to make the most out of this.

i know i might sound like shooting for the moon on short notice but this is what i plan to get during MIDE

-Seawing Nova Gorilla or either Seawing Nova(depends on the feedback i get since they seem to be getting a mixed reaction)
-Delta Boot 5mm or Base Boot 5mm(depends on creature comforts i guess)
-Scubapro Trinidad Frameless

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-a full Rash guard of some sort?

so all in all any rough estimates what im looking at in terms of pricing during MIDE?
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Although I personally am using seawing and I always say they are the best fins ever and I love my fins till bits. I would still say, go try it out first before buying. Seawing gorilla is like 2 pieces of planks, make sure your legs have muscles. evansoon might be able to sell you his gorillas. Prepare to pay at least rm700+ for any seawing, gorilla is more expensive. I'm not sure with the conversion rates now.

Booties - we mostly use seapro booties. You can get it from rainbow runner shop at MIDE for below rm100. It's cheap and serves its purpose for general diving around SEA. Plus I like how the center part has the hard thingy and it fits nicely with my seawing nova to protect the center part of my feet from getting bruise if I fin a lot. I've had other booties but seapro was my first and it's still my favourite.

Mask - actually the only piece of equipment I would suggest you to get before your course. If you have the budget, go ahead and get your preferred one. I assure you, you will definitely have more than one mask (at a time) thruout your diving life. A cheap mask is generally around rm100, a good one is around rm100-200, and higher end ones are rm250+ or so.

Since you like scubapro, if you have friends or family traveling to Hong Kong soon, get them to check the dive shops there.
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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jun 26 2016, 04:50 AM)
Although I personally am using seawing and I always say they are the best fins ever and I love my fins till bits. I would still say, go try it out first before buying. Seawing gorilla is like 2 pieces of planks, make sure your legs have muscles. evansoon might be able to sell you his gorillas. Prepare to pay at least rm700+ for any seawing, gorilla is more expensive. I'm not sure with the conversion rates now.

Booties - we mostly use seapro booties. You can get it from rainbow runner shop at MIDE for below rm100. It's cheap and serves its purpose for general diving around SEA. Plus I like how the center part has the hard thingy and it fits nicely with my seawing nova to protect the center part of my feet from getting bruise if I fin a lot. I've had other booties but seapro was my first and it's still my favourite.

Mask - actually the only piece of equipment I would suggest you to get before your course. If you have the budget, go ahead and get your preferred one. I assure you, you will definitely have more than one mask (at a time) thruout your diving life. A cheap mask is generally around rm100, a good one is around rm100-200, and higher end ones are rm250+ or so.

Since you like scubapro, if you have friends or family traveling to Hong Kong soon, get them to check the dive shops there.
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Well for starters i do cycle alot,i dont suppose that should do some damage in the water and 700+ refers to the gorilla or standard nova? diving express is selling the gorilla for about 640 but the color they have available is orange which is a tad bit obnoxious personally tongue.gif

well as for booties and masks,generally i like to follow a few hard and fast rules which i carry over from PC Building which is to not underspend or overspend but spend on the best thing you can afford within a given set budget which is about 1100 for the said 3 basic equipment which shouldnt be too bad.

as for branding i dont really mind,it really isnt a must to get everything from scubapro with the exception of the fins tongue.gif

i guess from the information ive gathered so far im still within my set target budget assuming i go with the average prices youve mentioned 700ish?(fins) + 100(booties) + 150(mask) = 950ish?
although i hope during MIDE the seawings would be cheaper than expected...?
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Well for starters i do cycle alot,i dont suppose that should do some damage in the water and 700+ refers to the gorilla or standard nova? diving express is selling the gorilla for about 640 but the color they have available is orange which is a tad bit obnoxious personally tongue.gif

well as for booties and masks,generally i like to follow a few hard and fast rules which i carry over from PC Building which is to not underspend or overspend but spend on the best thing you can afford within a given set budget which is about 1100 for the said 3 basic equipment which shouldnt be too bad.

as for branding i dont really mind,it really isnt a must to get everything from scubapro with the exception of the fins tongue.gif

i guess from the information ive gathered so far im still within my set target budget assuming i go with the average prices youve mentioned 700ish?(fins) + 100(booties) + 150(mask) = 950ish?
although i hope during MIDE the seawings would be cheaper than expected...?
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It's amazing for fighting currents, but I notice I hardly fin lol. Seawing is selling like rm800+ if not mistaken, check with Sealantis (distributor) and Scuba Warehouse (might be cheaper than Sealantis). Scubapro is expensive in Malaysia. Diving express is the hk based online shop right? I've gotten my seawings from them as well, so did Evan and his orange gorilla. We used to be able to get a pair of seawings for like rm400 laugh.gif

Our MIDE isn't exactly WOW pricing for scubapro. Like I said, scubapro ain't cheap in Malaysia. If you can source from overseas, by all means, do it.

Yea booties is around that price, below rm200 can get pretty good ones. You might wanna increase your budget for mask a bit though if you're looking for frameless and stuffs.
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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jun 26 2016, 06:13 PM)
It's amazing for fighting currents, but I notice I hardly fin lol. Seawing is selling like rm800+ if not mistaken, check with Sealantis (distributor) and Scuba Warehouse (might be cheaper than Sealantis). Scubapro is expensive in Malaysia. Diving express is the hk based online shop right? I've gotten my seawings from them as well, so did Evan and his orange gorilla. We used to be able to get a pair of seawings for like rm400 laugh.gif

Our MIDE isn't exactly WOW pricing for scubapro. Like I said, scubapro ain't cheap in Malaysia. If you can source from overseas, by all means, do it.

Yea booties is around that price, below rm200 can get pretty good ones. You might wanna increase your budget for mask a bit though if you're looking for frameless and stuffs.
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400? you mean like 5 years ago when the nova was originally released? because currently at diving express with all said and done including shipping is about roughly 720MYR assuming during MIDE if i someone price matches it or thereabouts i might as well bite the bullet and get it there and then. additionally hence the 1100ish i plan to set aside which allows for some wiggle room.

there was another online store which i found called scubastore but there doesnt seem to be a way for me to add items to the cart so i could gauge the shipping prices which frustrated me. the seawing gorilla was going for about 595MYR which does look like a steal but alas the site seems broken to me with no way to try to register as a customer or even add items as a guest.
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400? you mean like 5 years ago when the nova was originally released? because currently at diving express with all said and done including shipping is about roughly 720MYR assuming during MIDE if i someone price matches it or thereabouts i might as well bite the bullet and get it there and then. additionally hence the 1100ish i plan to set aside which allows for some wiggle room.

there was another online store which i found called scubastore but there doesnt seem to be a way for me to add items to the cart so i could gauge the shipping prices which frustrated me. the seawing gorilla was going for about 595MYR which does look like a steal but alas the site seems broken to me with no way to try to register as a customer or even add items as a guest.
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Oh 5 years only? I guess so haha. It was around 2011 or so when I first tried on my friend's seawing and fell in love with it. She bought it for below rm400 in hk then since she was a stewardess and flew there often. I think my first pair was around rm400+ (early 2013) then second pair around rm500+ (mid 2014). I remember KL pricing was always around rm800 or so. You have to consider our awesome currency as well tongue.gif

MIDE is in a month's time. Just wait for MIDE and then decide later. laugh.gif
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Oh 5 years only? I guess so haha. It was around 2011 or so when I first tried on my friend's seawing and fell in love with it. She bought it for below rm400 in hk then since she was a stewardess and flew there often. I think my first pair was around rm400+ (early 2013) then second pair around rm500+ (mid 2014). I remember KL pricing was always around rm800 or so. You have to consider our awesome currency as well tongue.gif

MIDE is in a month's time. Just wait for MIDE and then decide later. laugh.gif
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yeah thats what im planning to do after all,im just asking around right now to find out what the situation is like. you know like testing the waters tongue.gif

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Whale shark depends on luck ma. Redang Perhentian also will have.
Hello. Have you tried Gull or Aeris Accel. I think they have XS. What size in US is EU35?
Go to MIDE early in the morning. You get to test out more fins.
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+1 for mares smart. Recommended by many.
Ooo cool. Thx for the info, will check it out.
Any other features you'd prefer? Coz there's a long list of fins available.
Any pool dives prior to your open water dives? I would actually recommend you to try out the rental gear first. That'll give you a better idea of what you'd want.
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Consider getting thicker booties (5-7mm), or one with thick soles... but I don't know whether you can find such booties in your size in the first place sweat.gif
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Hi all!

That is about a US 4.5.I do plan to try more in MIDE. Do they run out of sizes too early?

I was looking inititally for full foot, paddle type fin with reasonable power but not too stiff. But at my size, I think my choices are limited. and I did manage to fit into the Mares Plana Avanti Excel XS so that will be my last option.

Definitely going to consider thicker booties/wearing neoprene socks with full foot, if its going to help with fitting! I can fit into size 5 or 6 booties, my ankles are just too narrow.

So far I do have in mind to check these out at MIDE (since I found them to be available in smaller sizes)
- Oceanic Viper
- Tusa Solla
- Mares Volo Race with booties/ thicker socks
- Aqualung Shot FX
- Gull mew and Gull coco

Any opinion?

Thanks very much!!!



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Hi all!

That is about a US 4.5.I do plan to try more in MIDE. Do they run out of sizes too early?

I was looking inititally for full foot, paddle type fin with reasonable power but not too stiff. But at my size, I think my choices are limited. and I did manage to fit into the Mares Plana Avanti Excel XS so that will be my last option.

Definitely going to consider thicker booties/wearing neoprene socks with full foot, if its going to help with fitting! I can fit into size 5 or 6 booties, my ankles are just too narrow.

So far I do have in mind to check these out at MIDE (since I found them to be available in smaller sizes)
- Oceanic Viper
- Tusa Solla
- Mares Volo Race with booties/ thicker socks
- Aqualung Shot FX
- Gull mew and Gull coco

Any opinion?

Thanks very much!!!
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The avanti excels have a pretty decent reputation. Good feedback on the kicks. Volos, on the other hand, are softer and i've heard they don't do well in currents. The gull rubber fins are great too, i've yet to hear any complaints about them. And the solid colors are attractive too. Be mindful that rubber fins are negatively buoyant though. Might affect your trim a bit.

Can't comment about the others. No hearsay nor tried them before

Full foot vs open heel is a bit of a dilemma. Personal preference i feel. I always thought open heel should be the way to go, coz it's versatile, allows for bootie use (those long walks on the shore and those dirty boat floors) and just feels more secure on my foot. But after a few rounds of washing up gear, i start to feel the hassle. And plus full foot fins are the choice for freediving. More streamlined.
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QUOTE(demetrius @ Jun 26 2016, 10:36 PM)
The avanti excels have a pretty decent reputation. Good feedback on the kicks. Volos, on the other hand, are softer and i've heard they don't do well in currents. The gull rubber fins are great too, i've yet to hear any complaints about them. And the solid colors are attractive too. Be mindful that rubber fins are negatively buoyant though. Might affect your trim a bit.

Can't comment about the others. No hearsay nor tried them before

Full foot vs open heel is a bit of a dilemma. Personal preference i feel. I always thought open heel should be the way to go, coz it's versatile, allows for bootie use (those long walks on the shore and those dirty boat floors) and just feels more secure on my foot. But after a few rounds of washing up gear, i start to feel the hassle. And plus full foot fins are the choice for freediving. More streamlined.
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from what i read arent full foot better for warmer waters and cheaper too?
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from what i read arent full foot better for warmer waters and cheaper too?
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QUOTE(Peppercorn @ Jun 26 2016, 09:34 PM)
Hi all!

That is about a US 4.5.I do plan to try more in MIDE. Do they run out of sizes too early?

I was looking inititally for full foot, paddle type fin with reasonable power but not too stiff. But at my size, I think my choices are limited. and I did manage to fit into the Mares Plana Avanti Excel XS so that will be my last option.

Definitely going to consider thicker booties/wearing neoprene socks with full foot, if its going to help with fitting! I can fit into size 5 or 6 booties, my ankles are just too narrow.

So far I do have in mind to check these out at MIDE (since I found them to be available in smaller sizes)
- Oceanic Viper
- Tusa Solla
- Mares Volo Race with booties/ thicker socks
- Aqualung Shot FX
- Gull mew and Gull coco

Any opinion?

Thanks very much!!!
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Many girls I know with smaller feet uses Mares X-stream as well. So far only good reviews about that pair of fins.

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from what i read arent full foot better for warmer waters and cheaper too?
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Many girls I know with smaller feet uses Mares X-stream as well. So far only good reviews about that pair of fins.
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Well for starters i do cycle alot,i dont suppose that should do some damage in the water and 700+ refers to the gorilla or standard nova? diving express is selling the gorilla for about 640 but the color they have available is orange which is a tad bit obnoxious personally tongue.gif

well as for booties and masks,generally i like to follow a few hard and fast rules which i carry over from PC Building which is to not underspend or overspend but spend on the best thing you can afford within a given set budget which is about 1100 for the said 3 basic equipment which shouldnt be too bad.

as for branding i dont really mind,it really isnt a must to get everything from scubapro with the exception of the fins tongue.gif

i guess from the information ive gathered so far im still within my set target budget assuming i go with the average prices youve mentioned 700ish?(fins) + 100(booties) + 150(mask) = 950ish?
although i hope during MIDE the seawings would be cheaper than expected...?
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Let me comment some points for Seawing Nova and Seawing Nova Gorilla...
1. Seawing never got cheaper in MIDE. Last year discount was like 10-20% depend who u r to them, Seatlxntxs.
2. Scubapro products best you deal with HK Diving Express, they usually having end year sales one. I got mine as a gift from there also about RM500 back in 2013.
3. Seawing Nova Gorilla, generally u require more strength to kick and hence the stronger propulsion and u get to swim further. But if u r not sportman/athlete/frequent exercise person, avoid this as you may get cramp often.
4. Seawing Nova, I in love with this fins. Generally it works well thru out all situation. Straps, flex rubber part, older batch tends to tear. Now they said they make it "Indestrutible" not sure how true is tat...
5. Another way is buy from Lazada.
For example: This Seawing Nova Product LZD Links selling RM748.
If you have Maybank card, buy on Wednesday on app, u get additional 12% off which your final price would be around RM658.24 or which ever discount code allow you to get more value.
For Size wise, u go Seatlantix and try out lo, and buy online. For RM658.24 is not too bad wat! No need to rebut with people in MIDE plus u get additional BCards Points or AirAsia Points... hahahaa...
*Even shop give u discounted price in MIDE, I think RM658.24 is still hard to beat unless u go HK!

In case you wanna dive with sharks in future, let's say Bahamas. Diving with Tiger Sharks.
I've been warned not to bring striking colors types gears down there. U don wanna have a test bite on your gears from those sharks right!?

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Let me comment some points for Seawing Nova and Seawing Nova Gorilla...
1. Seawing never got cheaper in MIDE. Last year discount was like 10-20% depend who u r to them, Seatlxntxs.
2. Scubapro products best you deal with HK Diving Express, they usually having end year sales one. I got mine as a gift from there also about RM500 back in 2013.
3. Seawing Nova Gorilla, generally u require more strength to kick and hence the stronger propulsion and u get to swim further. But if u r not sportman/athlete/frequent exercise person, avoid this as you may get cramp often.
4. Seawing Nova, I in love with this fins. Generally it works well thru out all situation. Straps, flex rubber part, older batch tends to tear. Now they said they make it "Indestrutible" not sure how true is tat...
5. Another way is buy from Lazada.
For example: This Seawing Nova Product LZD Links selling RM748.
If you have Maybank card, buy on Wednesday on app, u get additional 12% off which your final price would be around RM658.24 or which ever discount code allow you to get more value.
For Size wise, u go Seatlantix and try out lo, and buy online. For RM658.24 is not too bad wat! No need to rebut with people in MIDE plus u get additional BCards Points or AirAsia Points... hahahaa...
*Even shop give u discounted price in MIDE, I think RM658.24 is still hard to beat!

In case you wanna dive with sharks in future, let's say Bahamas. Diving with Tiger Sharks.
I've been warned not to bring striking colors types gears down there. U don wanna have a test bite on your gears from those sharks right!?
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Lazada is good. last time I order wetsuit. After it arrived I found the size is not fit for me. and then i return the wetsuit and get refund. good service. thumbsup.gif
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QUOTE(ukiya @ Jun 27 2016, 10:28 AM)
Let me comment some points for Seawing Nova and Seawing Nova Gorilla...
1. Seawing never got cheaper in MIDE. Last year discount was like 10-20% depend who u r to them, Seatlxntxs.
2. Scubapro products best you deal with HK Diving Express, they usually having end year sales one. I got mine as a gift from there also about RM500 back in 2013.
3. Seawing Nova Gorilla, generally u require more strength to kick and hence the stronger propulsion and u get to swim further. But if u r not sportman/athlete/frequent exercise person, avoid this as you may get cramp often.
4. Seawing Nova, I in love with this fins. Generally it works well thru out all situation. Straps, flex rubber part, older batch tends to tear. Now they said they make it "Indestrutible" not sure how true is tat...
5. Another way is buy from Lazada.
For example: This Seawing Nova Product LZD Links selling RM748.
If you have Maybank card, buy on Wednesday on app, u get additional 12% off which your final price would be around RM658.24 or which ever discount code allow you to get more value.
For Size wise, u go Seatlantix and try out lo, and buy online. For RM658.24 is not too bad wat! No need to rebut with people in MIDE plus u get additional BCards Points or AirAsia Points... hahahaa...
*Even shop give u discounted price in MIDE, I think RM658.24 is still hard to beat!

In case you wanna dive with sharks in future, let's say Bahamas. Diving with Tiger Sharks.
I've been warned not to bring striking colors types gears down there. U don wanna have a test bite on your gears from those sharks right!?
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well well well i'll be damned,Maybank debit card? ✔ 658ish > Diving Express @ 720(with shipping) although what are the shipping rates for lazada as the site states the product is being shipped from overseas because if it ends up costing more than 720 compared to Diving Express i might as well drop the bomb there instead.

and striking colors you say? another reason not to get obnoxious orange although.....PINK BRIGHT *expletive* PINK!

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well well well i'll be damned,Maybank debit card? ✔ 658ish > Diving Express @ 720(with shipping) although what are the shipping rates for lazada as the site states the product is being shipped from overseas because if it ends up costing more than 720 compared to Diving Express i might as well drop the bomb there instead.

and striking colors you say? another reason not to get obnoxious orange although.....PINK BRIGHT *expletive* PINK!
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Shipping fees for Lazada for item more than RM100 usually is free!
Not necessary using Maybank, everyday they have different bank discount one.

Raya Promo is happen everyday, just look out for possible vouchers code. And Nix it. Who' knows u probably get a better deal compare than using cards. Head over to Lazada Thread for more info.

Personally I do not enjoy dealing with Seatlantxx. Of all the dive shop I went, there r the only shop who will not give any additional discount to DM/Professional Divers ie Instructors. If u want discount, they will ask u go other shop instead... doh.gif

Enjoy shopping!
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Shipping fees for Lazada for item more than RM100 usually is free!
Not necessary using Maybank, everyday they have different bank discount one.

Raya Promo is happen everyday, just look out for possible vouchers code. And Nix it. Who' knows u probably get a better deal compare than using cards. Head over to Lazada Thread for more info.

Personally I do not enjoy dealing with Seatlantxx. Of all the dive shop I went, there r the only shop who will not give any additional discount to DM/Professional Divers ie Instructors. If u want discount, they will ask u go other shop instead...  doh.gif

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Monday - MasterCard (10% OFF Desktop Only | 12% OFF APP Only* Selected Item Only)
Tuesday - UOB (10% OFF APP Only)
Wednesday - Maybank (5% OFF Desktop Only | 10% OFF APP Only)
Thursday - RHB (12% OFF Both)
Friday - HSBC (5% OFF Desktop Only | 10% OFF APP Only)
Saturday - CIMB (5% OFF Desktop Only | 10% OFF APP Only)
Sunday - CIMB (5% OFF Desktop Only | 10% OFF APP Only)
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SOS: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=79966883
Wanna grab another new reg soon. hehhe
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The Max discount is just rm 50 .. sad.gif
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That's y, buy only when discount vouchers or the value is higher.

As such, certain days, bank like RHB do give 12% discount. Then go ahead and buy!

Lazada, some of the dive stuff is very cheap. Dive Comp, Fins, Regulators sometime... Just need to look up and stand by for getting it "anytime"...
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wow assuming i pull the trigger on a wednesday with coupons 608MYR doesnt sound so far fetched,thanks all for the superb bargain hunting. though i just find it redonculous that fleecing is not outlawed in malaysia.
by the way usually whats the maximum amount of business days until delivery? if its more than 5 business days then i might buy it before MIDE otherwise i might as well buy it now-ish

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Many girls I know with smaller feet uses Mares X-stream as well. So far only good reviews about that pair of fins.
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X-stream is slightly out of budget for me unless MIDE can get good price.

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how a bout Tusa sollar?  hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Peppercorn @ Jun 27 2016, 02:05 PM)
X-stream is slightly out of budget for me unless MIDE can get good price.
Never met anyone using Tusa fins. But the few reviews available online say good all rounder fins that are powerful yet easy on legs. Hmm.... really hope to make a good choice so I wont end up buying new fins every MIDE.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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well...from a quick browse about rainbow runner has it 663MYR sooo.....assuming you buy at MIDE could it be possibly 600ish? 10% off seems about right to me although dont quote me on that since im sort of gunning for a Scubapro Seawing myself....

EDIT: well sun paradise is selling the aforementioned and i assume you meant Tusa Solla for about 479?

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X-stream is slightly out of budget for me unless MIDE can get good price.
Never met anyone using Tusa fins. But the few reviews available online say good all rounder fins that are powerful yet easy on legs. Hmm.... really hope to make a good choice so I wont end up buying new fins every MIDE.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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MIDE I estimate it would be about 550. 2 years back when I was looking for the fins it was 450 but RM was better that time.
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jun 27 2016, 10:47 AM)
well well well i'll be damned,Maybank debit card? ✔ 658ish > Diving Express @ 720(with shipping) although what are the shipping rates for lazada as the site states the product is being shipped from overseas because if it ends up costing more than 720 compared to Diving Express i might as well drop the bomb there instead.

and striking colors you say? another reason not to get obnoxious orange although.....PINK BRIGHT *expletive* PINK!
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Wait till you dive in bad visibility, you would hope for others to be wearing orange!
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jun 27 2016, 01:11 PM)
Curious what is the selling price on MIDE..
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Still ... You can find photography equipment, dive computers and regulator, these are the hot cakes! Usually these stuff have to get first or second day of MIDE. Some time there are great bargains.

BCD, Dive accessories you can get it even the last day. Probably no size but u still can place deposit and grab it later when stock is available. BCD usually last day have more bargain.

Throughout the dive fair... Diving Trips, Courses is available tru out the fair so get it on the last day also no problem unless LOB whereby u need to reserve a seat before its full.


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HEY! Whats wrong with orange!!??
Wait till you dive in bad visibility, you would hope for others to be wearing orange!
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now now... sweat.gif im not trying to pick a cyber fight but really its just a personal preference of colors,beeeeeeeesides i might aswell invest in a dive light if visibility becomes a hot topic or use sound signals.

speaking of colors....HOT PINK! HOT *expletive* NEON PINK! rclxs0.gif
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jun 27 2016, 03:19 PM)
now now... sweat.gif im not trying to pick a cyber fight but really its just a personal preference of colors,beeeeeeeesides i might aswell invest in a dive light if visibility becomes a hot topic or use sound signals.

speaking of colors....HOT PINK! HOT *expletive* NEON PINK!  rclxs0.gif
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I take that as a joke and not a fight. Any ways, there are reasons for these colors other than looking nice too. Dive lights are good for people to see you in low vis from a certain direction and sound signals are not very helpful in finding the location as sound travels differently in water.

The Pink color is very easy to spot UW although it does not look pink. Just saying.

Okay now, IMO, you should not be thinking about equipment yet. You have yet to experience a dive so would not know how things would be to your liking and these things are not cheap (unless you are rich). Getting a mask is okay since its not that expensive and would really change the experience but fins, I doubt you should. I mean you haven't even find out what kicking style you would like or even how buoyant your legs would be -> specially with booties (when I read you wanted 5mm booties I was already going OhGod). I know there are a lot of different comments out there but everyone has their own dive style so it would be good to take those comments with just a pinch of salt, same goes to mine.
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jun 26 2016, 11:00 AM)
Well for starters i do cycle alot,i dont suppose that should do some damage in the water and 700+ refers to the gorilla or standard nova? diving express is selling the gorilla for about 640 but the color they have available is orange which is a tad bit obnoxious personally tongue.gif

well as for booties and masks,generally i like to follow a few hard and fast rules which i carry over from PC Building which is to not underspend or overspend but spend on the best thing you can afford within a given set budget which is about 1100 for the said 3 basic equipment which shouldnt be too bad.

as for branding i dont really mind,it really isnt a must to get everything from scubapro with the exception of the fins tongue.gif

i guess from the information ive gathered so far im still within my set target budget assuming i go with the average prices youve mentioned 700ish?(fins) + 100(booties) + 150(mask) = 950ish?
although i hope during MIDE the seawings would be cheaper than expected...?
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Would suggest that you raise the price expectation for the mask. I spent that amount (in 2013, prior to gst and ringgit slide) and it was the first thing I replaced with something better.

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hi hi... going Tenggol 9 July (Sat) , one day diving. All for compressed air fix.

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hi hi... going Tenggol 9 July (Sat) , one day diving. All for compressed air fix.

interested, give a holler.
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jun 27 2016, 02:21 PM)
well...from a quick browse about rainbow runner has it 663MYR sooo.....assuming you buy at MIDE could it be possibly 600ish? 10% off seems about right to me although dont quote me on that since im sort of gunning for a Scubapro Seawing myself....

EDIT: well sun paradise is selling the aforementioned and i assume you meant Tusa Solla for about 479?
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Budgeted 300 for a full foot.
If really got any open heel with favourable fit and recommendations willing to part with up to 400, then plus about 50 for bootie. Are my expectations okay? I was told by my diver friends MIDE deals can be more than 20% off retail based on past experiences.


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I take that as a joke and not a fight. Any ways, there are reasons for these colors other than looking nice too. Dive lights are good for people to see you in low vis from a certain direction and sound signals are not very helpful in finding the location as sound travels differently in water.

The Pink color is very easy to spot UW although it does not look pink. Just saying.

Okay now, IMO, you should not be thinking about equipment yet. You have yet to experience a dive so would not know how things would be to your liking and these things are not cheap (unless you are rich). Getting a mask is okay since its not that expensive and would really change the experience but fins, I doubt you should. I mean you haven't even find out what kicking style you would like or even how buoyant your legs would be -> specially with booties (when I read you wanted 5mm booties I was already going OhGod). I know there are a lot of different comments out there but everyone has their own dive style so it would be good to take those comments with just a pinch of salt, same goes to mine.
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Well yes and no,i guess i should explain myself,the reason i chose 5mm for starters is because while malaysian waters are warm id rather go with something with a fair bit of middle ground between 25C to 29C(at least according to this chart http://www.sportdiver.com/gear/wetsuits/we...ery-water-temp) since its easier to keep the warmth in than generating warmth. and being a thin person myself i dont really have much body fat to supplement much body heat in an ocean of heat stealers so i simply decided whose to call me insane as long im comfortable and warm underwater.

although im inclined to reconsider 3mm if someone who has the same body physiology as me and is perfectly fine with less than 5mm.going along that line im dead serious on picking this up for realsies after contemplating since highschool due to budgetary concerns then.

lastly though when i meant fight i dont mean an actual fight but in a humorous manner i guess it didnt sound that way to you.... sweat.gif


QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jun 27 2016, 03:47 PM)
Would suggest that you raise the price expectation for the mask. I spent that amount (in 2013, prior to gst and ringgit slide) and it was the first thing I replaced with something better.
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yeah come to think about it that earlier estimate of mine seems quite overly optimistic might bump it up to 200 instead.

QUOTE(Peppercorn @ Jun 27 2016, 06:03 PM)
Budgeted 300 for a full foot.
If really got any open heel with favourable fit and recommendations willing to part with up to 400, then plus about 50 for bootie. Are my expectations okay? I was told by my diver friends MIDE deals can be more than 20% off retail based on past experiences.
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well just as well as you im in the midst of deciding what i should get although i already have quite a fair bit of expectations on what costs im about to incur, from my own homework 300~350 seems to be the sweet spot for full foot,as for open heel pricing seems to be all over the place i think the others who are much more experienced might say 450~650? please dont quote me on that since for my case i sort of know what kind of make and model i want.

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Budgeted 300 for a full foot.
If really got any open heel with favourable fit and recommendations willing to part with up to 400, then plus about 50 for bootie. Are my expectations okay? I was told by my diver friends MIDE deals can be more than 20% off retail based on past experiences.
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You should be able to get gull open heels for that price and budget about 70 for booties. unless you are getting the low cut type. Most of us use SeaPro booties.
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jun 27 2016, 06:07 PM)
Well yes and no,i guess i should explain myself,the reason i chose 5mm for starters is because while malaysian waters are warm id rather go with something with a fair bit of middle ground between 25C to 29C(at least according to this chart http://www.sportdiver.com/gear/wetsuits/we...ery-water-temp) since its easier to keep the warmth in than generating warmth. and being a thin person myself i dont really have much body fat to supplement much body heat in an ocean of heat stealers so i simply decided whose to call me insane as long im comfortable and warm underwater.

although im inclined to reconsider 3mm if someone who has the same body physiology as me and is perfectly fine with less than 5mm.going along that line im dead serious on picking this up for realsies after contemplating since highschool due to budgetary concerns then.

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The 5mms are gonna tip your feet (or in this case, fins) upward. Unless your fins are negative. Or you have a 3-5mm wetsuit. Won't notice much difference in the beginning but as you progress, especially when you're fine-tuning your trim and buoyancy, these little things count.

Half the time in malaysian east coast waters i don't even bother using a wetsuit.

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i got a B1 Waterproof booties when my 10 year old Mares booties konk on me. expensive but i likey it a lot

http://www.waterproof.eu/en/products/accessories/boots/b1/
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i got a B1 Waterproof booties when my 10 year old Mares booties konk on me. expensive but i likey it a lot

http://www.waterproof.eu/en/products/accessories/boots/b1/
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I'm eyeing Mares Matrix...anyone would know the price range in MIDE?
I see the retail price vary wildly but not sure about transaction price
lazada shows RM24xx
some websites of local shops shows RM169x (original 24xx)
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Just check online during your trip to MIDE.. if its cheap.. buy it! hehe. Anyone have Mares Razor Pro camo green to let go? 7/8. All I see is black (local). Anyone a freediver here?

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oh hey a 6.5mm thats 1.5mm more insane-er than me  laugh.gif
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At the end of the day, unless you're fully neoprene, the bootie may or may not be positive buoyant. This has a rubber soled bottom which really helps protect against sharp corals and rocks during shore dives. And the rubber piece kinda balance out against the positive buoyancy of the 6.5mm neoprene
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At the end of the day, unless you're fully neoprene, the bootie may or may not be positive buoyant. This has a rubber soled bottom which really helps protect against sharp corals and rocks during shore dives. And the rubber piece kinda balance out against the positive buoyancy of the 6.5mm neoprene
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How your boots and fins effect your trim - www.sidemounting.com
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jun 27 2016, 08:07 PM)
Well yes and no,i guess i should explain myself,the reason i chose 5mm for starters is because while malaysian waters are warm id rather go with something with a fair bit of middle ground between 25C to 29C(at least according to this chart http://www.sportdiver.com/gear/wetsuits/we...ery-water-temp) since its easier to keep the warmth in than generating warmth. and being a thin person myself i dont really have much body fat to supplement much body heat in an ocean of heat stealers so i simply decided whose to call me insane as long im comfortable and warm underwater.

although im inclined to reconsider 3mm if someone who has the same body physiology as me and is perfectly fine with less than 5mm.going along that line im dead serious on picking this up for realsies after contemplating since highschool due to budgetary concerns then.
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5mm boots are alright if you want to accommodate a wide range of temperatures... just bear in mind that extra unnecessary neoprene will always have a price (purchase cost, travel weight, etc).

I wear 6.5mm boots in air & water temps ranging from 20-30C and have never felt that my feet were too hot, even on land.
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QUOTE(vmt @ Jun 27 2016, 10:52 PM)
Hi

I'm eyeing Mares Matrix...anyone would know the price range in MIDE?
I see the retail price vary wildly but not sure about transaction price
lazada shows RM24xx
some websites of local shops shows RM169x (original 24xx)
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I can't speak for MIDE, but in Australia you can get that for $512 ex GST ~ RM1561.

So RM169x inc GST sounds like a fair price.

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QUOTE(vmt @ Jun 27 2016, 08:52 PM)
Hi

I'm eyeing Mares Matrix...anyone would know the price range in MIDE?
I see the retail price vary wildly but not sure about transaction price
lazada shows RM24xx
some websites of local shops shows RM169x (original 24xx)
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I think MIDE sells for about 1400-1600 also.
Y go for the matrix and not the cheaper smart?
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jun 28 2016, 03:17 AM)
5mm boots are alright if you want to accommodate a wide range of temperatures... just bear in mind that extra unnecessary neoprene will always have a price (purchase cost, travel weight, etc).

I wear 6.5mm boots in air & water temps ranging from 20-30C and have never felt that my feet were too hot, even on land.
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yep im aware of that after poking around,then again its a give and take situation which id rather take more than give on this case tongue.gif after all its better to be comfortable while diving than being uncomfortable while diving which spoils the mood right?
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jun 28 2016, 03:35 PM)
yep im aware of that after poking around,then again its a give and take situation which id rather take more than give on this case tongue.gif after all its better to be comfortable while diving than being uncomfortable while diving which spoils the mood right?
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a quick tug of the booties and let some water go in will easily cool your feet down. then again, i see (or rather, feel) not much difference since i used 5mm last time and 6.5mm now.
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jun 28 2016, 02:58 PM)
I think MIDE sells for about 1400-1600 also.
Y go for the matrix and not the cheaper smart?
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Matrix can see dive profile on the screen itself...Zoop novo I think got this function also, but very big looks bulky; price tag of d4i is so hefty, so, Matrix.
Actually I was keen on the Deepblu Cosmiq also, looks cool, can download the app on iphone and browse what other people sharing their profiles which sync in time with the pictures taken.
However a review from another forum says the battery went flat after 7 dives, and it turns blank. I think the battery life deterred me.
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QUOTE(vmt @ Jun 28 2016, 05:49 PM)
Matrix can see dive profile on the screen itself...Zoop novo I think got this function also, but very big looks bulky; price tag of d4i is so hefty, so, Matrix.
Actually I was keen on the Deepblu Cosmiq also, looks cool, can download the app on iphone and browse what other people sharing their profiles which sync in time with the pictures taken.
However a review from another forum says the battery went flat after 7 dives, and it turns blank. I think the battery life deterred me.
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QUOTE(vmt @ Jun 28 2016, 05:49 PM)
Matrix can see dive profile on the screen itself...Zoop novo I think got this function also, but very big looks bulky; price tag of d4i is so hefty, so, Matrix.
Actually I was keen on the Deepblu Cosmiq also, looks cool, can download the app on iphone and browse what other people sharing their profiles which sync in time with the pictures taken.
However a review from another forum says the battery went flat after 7 dives, and it turns blank. I think the battery life deterred me.
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Imagine u doing deep dive and suddenly ur battery dies... that's scary u know...
Invest a bit more la. Dive comp is not a gear that u may use just a year or twice, not change everyday ... get a good one and live with it!

Mares Smart is a good choice... I heard MIDE price... cost about RMXXX only rclxms.gif
But how much they gonna sell!? hahaha... gud luck... cant reveal too much! mega_shok.gif
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if have extra budget can consider Shearwater petrel 2 or perdix thumbsup.gif

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QUOTE(vmt @ Jun 27 2016, 08:52 PM)
Hi

I'm eyeing Mares Matrix...anyone would know the price range in MIDE?
I see the retail price vary wildly but not sure about transaction price
lazada shows RM24xx
some websites of local shops shows RM169x (original 24xx)
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wahh now expensive. i bought only 1.5k back in 2013

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Anyone need a torch light? i think last 1 unit for this price.

Bigblue Dive Torch Light AL220 (Blue) for Scuba Diving torch light.

RM128 only at lazada.. nice 1.

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yep im aware of that after poking around,then again its a give and take situation which id rather take more than give on this case tongue.gif after all its better to be comfortable while diving than being uncomfortable while diving which spoils the mood right?
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Its been near almost a year since i get my OW.
Will go for refresher and fun dive during Raya.

Wonder any sifus can guide me to select mask and fin during MIDE?
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HI Sifus,

Its been near almost a year since i get my OW.
Will go for refresher and fun dive during Raya.

Wonder any sifus can guide me to select mask and fin during MIDE?
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Its been near almost a year since i get my OW.
Will go for refresher and fun dive during Raya.

Wonder any sifus can guide me to select mask and fin during MIDE?
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QUOTE(fjoru103 @ Jun 28 2016, 11:44 PM)
HI Sifus,

Its been near almost a year since i get my OW.
Will go for refresher and fun dive during Raya.

Wonder any sifus can guide me to select mask and fin during MIDE?
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You know you have to recharge your matrix like almost every 1 or 2 diving day right?
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Imagine u doing deep dive and suddenly ur battery dies... that's scary u know...
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Why is it scary? You still have gas, you still have your buddy.
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Matrix can see dive profile on the screen itself...Zoop novo I think got this function also, but very big looks bulky; price tag of d4i is so hefty, so, Matrix.
Actually I was keen on the Deepblu Cosmiq also, looks cool, can download the app on iphone and browse what other people sharing their profiles which sync in time with the pictures taken.
However a review from another forum says the battery went flat after 7 dives, and it turns blank. I think the battery life deterred me.
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I have a zoop, bulk is not an issue with it. There are computers much bulkier.

Deepblu Cosmiq looks really nice. I would consider it if im buying a computer for my wife. Illuminated display is nice for night diving. And wireless profile download.
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yep im aware of that after poking around,then again its a give and take situation which id rather take more than give on this case tongue.gif after all its better to be comfortable while diving than being uncomfortable while diving which spoils the mood right?
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Well it depends, for boots i think it's fine.

On the other hand, if you wanted to get a 5mm wetsuit instead of a 3mm because you want to take on extra warmth while diving, on a hot day you will cook yourself waiting to get into the water.
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Lol wtf that is inconvenient. I bet the charging cable is proprietary too so good luck if you misplace it.
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hahahha actually i regret buying it also but what to do.
but i dont mind charging it every night after dive.
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jun 29 2016, 10:38 AM)
I have a zoop, bulk is not an issue with it. There are computers much bulkier.

Deepblu Cosmiq looks really nice. I would consider it if im buying a computer for my wife. Illuminated display is nice for night diving. And wireless profile download.
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Agree with u..bulk is not issue for diving.it makes u more easy to see..i personally love my mares puck pro.. battery can lasting for 50 dives and u can change by yourself if the battery dead.. abiut the Deepblu it looks really cool.. wonder how much will be cost when MIDE later.. wireless profile download itu nice.. any plan to b Malaysia this MIDE for shopping bro?😉
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Haha..need to mention him to bring extra cash like that.hahaha...we always racun 1..
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Don't bring extra cash.. so if there are racun everywhere.. u will no dare to try.. haha laugh.gif
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jun 29 2016, 10:34 AM)
Why is it scary? You still have gas, you still have your buddy.
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Scary... any major equipment failure. Usually will abort the dive right away.
Ya, still have gas. When ur dive com suddenly gone into error mode or shut off, some how it can cause some disturbance.

Especially doing deep dive, there's where u need a dive comp to perform multilevel diving, and do slowly ascend...

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Haha..need to mention him to bring extra cash like that.hahaha...we always racun 1..
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jun 29 2016, 10:38 AM)
I have a zoop, bulk is not an issue with it. There are computers much bulkier.

Deepblu Cosmiq looks really nice. I would consider it if im buying a computer for my wife. Illuminated display is nice for night diving. And wireless profile download.
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Would suggest you to wait for latest patch or next version coming out.
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QUOTE(ukiya @ Jun 29 2016, 01:14 PM)
Scary... any major equipment failure. Usually will abort the dive right away.
Ya, still have gas. When ur dive com suddenly gone into error mode or shut off, some how it can cause some disturbance.

Especially doing deep dive, there's where u need a dive comp to perform multilevel diving, and do slowly ascend...
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For me, I would reserve "scary" for life-or-death situations - can't breathe, can't move, pain/injury, etc.

Losing a dive computer is not a life-or-death situation... it is just an inconvenience.
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hahahha actually i regret buying it also but what to do.
but i dont mind charging it every night after dive.
been using it for almost 4 years already
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Haha just keeping using it if it works for you... I use the most lauya computer on the market but never felt like I needed to replace it, since it won't make me dive better or dive more.
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sorry newbie here, do they sell Powered Mask in MIDE?
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Just for your info
I got my power mask from Sun-paradise farenhait88. RM100 per piece of corrective lens only... expensive cry.gif
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Just completed my open water diving course at Tioman last month! Hope to have more dive in future haha.

Anyone here experience ear infection before? It seems like I have developed ear infection on my left year after one of the dive where I have hard time equalizing my left ear.

HAve some meds from clinic mainly antibiotic and anti-inflammation. Hope it recovers asap. Might going to another round of ENT checking just to ensure everything is fine.

lol
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QUOTE(GearX_SaM @ Jun 29 2016, 02:07 PM)
Just completed my open water diving course at  Tioman last month! Hope to have more dive in future haha.

Anyone here experience ear infection before? It seems like I have developed ear infection on my left year after one of the dive where I have hard time equalizing my left ear.

HAve some meds from clinic mainly antibiotic and anti-inflammation. Hope it recovers asap. Might going to another round of ENT checking just to ensure everything is fine.

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I've not encounter it but I've read it in DAN magazines. Keep away from diving until its fully healed or it might cause some serious issues.
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I've not encounter it but I've read it in DAN magazines. Keep away from diving until its fully healed or it might cause some serious issues.
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Come join us on this year MiDE..we will teman n guide for buy..hehe
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just use contact lense lah. easy
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Really really dislike contact lens...
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You are scaring me T_T
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Not trying to but for safety you should. It could cause hearing lost and shit like that.

QUOTE(cdspins @ Jun 29 2016, 02:47 PM)
I dislike contact lens cry.gif
Really really dislike contact lens...
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jun 29 2016, 10:43 AM)
Well it depends, for boots i think it's fine.

On the other hand, if you wanted to get a 5mm wetsuit instead of a 3mm because you want to take on extra warmth while diving, on a hot day you will cook yourself waiting to get into the water.
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ahaha...ha..... whistling.gif i am planning to get a 5mm wetsuit sometime later and when i mean later i mean waaaaay after dealing with basic equipments... , theres no pleasing both sides hmm? its either you roast on land(hypothetically speaking) and stay warm in the water or stay cool on land and freeze in the water.... what a conundrum rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jun 29 2016, 03:55 PM)
ahaha...ha..... whistling.gif  i am planning to get a 5mm wetsuit sometime later and when i mean later i mean waaaaay after dealing with basic equipments... , theres no pleasing both sides hmm? its either you roast on land(hypothetically speaking) and stay warm in the water or stay cool on land and freeze in the water.... what a conundrum rclxub.gif
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5mm panas weiii
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QUOTE(ukiya @ Jun 29 2016, 11:17 AM)
Please be aware. Deepblu Cosmiq had many technical issue with this dive comp.
Would suggest you to wait for latest patch or next version coming out.
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Hmm.. what is the issue with it ya? Cause I tried itt on my trip and all is good.. might consider using a temporary DC if it's serious.
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jun 29 2016, 03:55 PM)
ahaha...ha..... whistling.gif  i am planning to get a 5mm wetsuit sometime later and when i mean later i mean waaaaay after dealing with basic equipments... , theres no pleasing both sides hmm? its either you roast on land(hypothetically speaking) and stay warm in the water or stay cool on land and freeze in the water.... what a conundrum rclxub.gif
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5mm wetsuit will be way too hot in Malaysian waters, and you'll have to add more weights for bouyancy, which means more weights to move, which means more usage of energy and air consumption. 3mm is just good enough for tropical waters. most just a rash guard and board shorts, and get a outer vest if needed
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QUOTE(GearX_SaM @ Jun 29 2016, 02:07 PM)
Just completed my open water diving course at  Tioman last month! Hope to have more dive in future haha.

Anyone here experience ear infection before? It seems like I have developed ear infection on my left year after one of the dive where I have hard time equalizing my left ear.

HAve some meds from clinic mainly antibiotic and anti-inflammation. Hope it recovers asap. Might going to another round of ENT checking just to ensure everything is fine.

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Ear infections are common if you always leave water in your ears after swims/dives. There are actually many causes of difficult equalizing and hopefully yours is just a simple infection. If it is due to outer ear infection, vinegar drops can reduce occurrence. If its an inner ear infection, it might be connected to your nose, turbinates, throat or sinuses. Which is probably what your case is.

Also, just a gentle reminder, check your equalizing technique before attributing it to an infection. Secondary ear barotrauma can result from poor equalizing technique, making it look like an infection later.

QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jun 29 2016, 03:55 PM)
ahaha...ha..... whistling.gif  i am planning to get a 5mm wetsuit sometime later and when i mean later i mean waaaaay after dealing with basic equipments... , theres no pleasing both sides hmm? its either you roast on land(hypothetically speaking) and stay warm in the water or stay cool on land and freeze in the water.... what a conundrum rclxub.gif
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5mm is thick. I suggest you make a few dives using a rented wetsuit before making that choice. Unless you're actually contemplating to collect em all.
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QUOTE(demetrius @ Jun 29 2016, 07:51 PM)
Ear infections are common if you always leave water in your ears after swims/dives. There are actually many causes of difficult equalizing and hopefully yours is just a simple infection. If it is due to outer ear infection, vinegar drops can reduce occurrence. If its an inner ear infection, it might be connected to your nose, turbinates, throat or sinuses. Which is probably what your case is.

Also, just a gentle reminder, check your equalizing technique before attributing it to an infection. Secondary ear barotrauma can result from poor equalizing technique, making it look like an infection later.
5mm is thick. I suggest you make a few dives using a rented wetsuit before making that choice. Unless you're actually contemplating to collect em all.
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if what i think youre saying is correct yes obviously i intend to collect them all a more or less full personal equipment but in progressive stages obviously. right now im just focusing on the basic equipment previously mentioned in my past posts.

amusingly enough i trawled about the internet and found various people saying most instructors are guilty of using 5mm,semi dry or even dry suits in malaysian warm waters so im kind of assured that i really shouldnt be regretting on my own personal choices.

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if what i think youre saying is correct yes obviously i intend to collect them all a more or less full personal equipment but in progressive stages obviously. right now im just focusing on the basic equipment previously mentioned in my past posts.

amusingly enough i trawled about the internet and found various people saying most instructors are guilty of using 5mm,semi dry or even dry suits in malaysian warm waters so im kind of assured that i really shouldnt be regretting on my own personal choices.
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i meant collecting wetsuits of different thickness. Then it wouldnt matter that 5mm will be overkill, coz you'll have others to fall back to.

But yea bro. Your life, your dives. Get a less than ideal gear, just settle to it and then love it. Then later focus on how to dive and maybe the reason you dive.
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sorry newbie here, do they sell Powered Mask in MIDE?
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Check out Scubatex for powered mask. I'm not 100% sure if they sell them at MIDE but I'm sure they do. Even if it's not MIDE price, it should be quite affordable.

I have a rotting powered mask at home, contact lens all the way. Get dailies, no maintenance, just use and throw. Bring spare spectacles on your dive trips. I've lost many things to the sea before.

QUOTE(GearX_SaM @ Jun 29 2016, 02:07 PM)
Just completed my open water diving course at  Tioman last month! Hope to have more dive in future haha.

Anyone here experience ear infection before? It seems like I have developed ear infection on my left year after one of the dive where I have hard time equalizing my left ear.

HAve some meds from clinic mainly antibiotic and anti-inflammation. Hope it recovers asap. Might going to another round of ENT checking just to ensure everything is fine.

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Welcome to the underwater world!

Go see an ENT specialist for a check up. And yes, make sure you are completely healed before going on your next dive.

QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jun 29 2016, 03:55 PM)
ahaha...ha..... whistling.gif  i am planning to get a 5mm wetsuit sometime later and when i mean later i mean waaaaay after dealing with basic equipments... , theres no pleasing both sides hmm? its either you roast on land(hypothetically speaking) and stay warm in the water or stay cool on land and freeze in the water.... what a conundrum rclxub.gif
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5mm in Malaysian/SEA waters? Hows your body size like?

The water temp is getting warmer these days. I wear a wetsuit is because I'm afraid of triggerfish.
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even 3mm is over kill for east coast islands.... unless diving DEEP all the time...
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Just for your info
I got my power mask from Sun-paradise farenhait88. RM100 per piece of corrective lens only... expensive cry.gif
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QUOTE(GearX_SaM @ Jun 29 2016, 02:07 PM)
Just completed my open water diving course at  Tioman last month! Hope to have more dive in future haha.

Anyone here experience ear infection before? It seems like I have developed ear infection on my left year after one of the dive where I have hard time equalizing my left ear.

HAve some meds from clinic mainly antibiotic and anti-inflammation. Hope it recovers asap. Might going to another round of ENT checking just to ensure everything is fine.

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Got my ear infection from pool dive in shah alam pool lol. Hurt but yeah take the meds and go for follow up if needed. It recovered quickly.
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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jun 30 2016, 06:53 AM)
Check out Scubatex for powered mask. I'm not 100% sure if they sell them at MIDE but I'm sure they do. Even if it's not MIDE price, it should be quite affordable.

I have a rotting powered mask at home, contact lens all the way. Get dailies, no maintenance, just use and throw. Bring spare spectacles on your dive trips. I've lost many things to the sea before.
Welcome to the underwater world!

Go see an ENT specialist for a check up. And yes, make sure you are completely healed before going on your next dive.
5mm in Malaysian/SEA waters? Hows your body size like?

The water temp is getting warmer these days. I wear a wetsuit is because I'm afraid of triggerfish.
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im not sure how to describe my stature like but all i can say is im reasonably thin. oh and so i read triggerfish are highly territorial and badly tempered wouldnt want them fishies biting... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jun 29 2016, 03:55 PM)
ahaha...ha..... whistling.gif  i am planning to get a 5mm wetsuit sometime later and when i mean later i mean waaaaay after dealing with basic equipments... , theres no pleasing both sides hmm? its either you roast on land(hypothetically speaking) and stay warm in the water or stay cool on land and freeze in the water.... what a conundrum rclxub.gif
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You could try a wetsuit jacket..it can be worn on top of a wetsuit/rashgard. When the waters warm, i'll just wear my fleece-like rashgard..if it's cold then i'll just add on my jacket on top of the rashgard for extra thermal protection.

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QUOTE(imran85 @ Jun 30 2016, 09:53 AM)
Got my ear infection from pool dive in shah alam pool lol. Hurt but yeah take the meds and go for follow up if needed. It recovered quickly.
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Mine is recovering too. Next time I shall be more becareful haha.
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Mine is recovering too. Next time I shall be more becareful haha.
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How to be more careful? decrease the ascend / descend speed? or deepstop? hmm.gif
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How to be more careful? decrease the ascend / descend speed? or deepstop? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(imran85 @ Jun 30 2016, 11:53 AM)
Got my ear infection from pool dive in shah alam pool lol. Hurt but yeah take the meds and go for follow up if needed. It recovered quickly.
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jun 30 2016, 11:51 AM)
im not sure how to describe my stature like but all i can say is im reasonably thin. oh and so i read triggerfish are highly territorial and badly tempered wouldnt want them fishies biting... sweat.gif
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http://www.scubaboard.com/community/thread...ea.16525/page-2
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jun 30 2016, 04:36 PM)
that just proves my point....and its the exact thread which i quoted from with plenty of people saying from 0.5 all the way to 5mm. lets just leave it at this case being a YMMV and for my mileage it just might be that. okay? innocent.gif

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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jun 30 2016, 04:36 PM)
FYI, not all locations are that cold. specially in malaysia. 5mm is too much for malaysian waters.
Locations like Nusa Penida is cold but you wont be diving there often unless you like Bali a lot.
Some places temp might get cold too but depends on the season. Anilao was cold during Nov-Jan but warm in May onwards.

That being said. Its not my money so happy shopping rclxms.gif
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that thread is from 2002. most likely the temperature has gone way up. last year in sabah during my dive it was 24 celcius average. this year, 29 celcius average at the same place.
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QUOTE(fubs @ Jul 1 2016, 12:59 AM)
that thread is from 2002. most likely the temperature has gone way up. last year in sabah during my dive it was 24 celcius average. this year, 29 celcius average at the same place.
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QUOTE(fubs @ Jul 1 2016, 12:59 AM)
that thread is from 2002. most likely the temperature has gone way up. last year in sabah during my dive it was 24 celcius average. this year, 29 celcius average at the same place.
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you went during the same month?
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you went during the same month?
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yup. early may 2015 and end april 2016.  tongue.gif didn't expect the temperature to increase so much though. advised to wear a wetsuit last year but not this year.
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My friend was planning for a diving discovery package in perhentian. so i have a question, would it be an issue for a person with teeth braces?
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My friend was planning for a diving discovery package in perhentian. so i have a question, would it be an issue for a person with teeth braces?
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I'm in perhentian now. With mama chalet and free transport to turtle bay divers. Customer fre sly dive center... Staying place clean.
Make 2 dives today. Temp around 30.C. Vis around 8meters. Spot big string Ray. About half of human size. And green turtle. And many others fishers which I dunno the name. Haha.
Sorry, no bring GoPro so, don't have photos to share here. Just Fun diving around. Hehe.
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I'm in perhentian now. With mama chalet and free transport to turtle bay divers. Customer fre sly dive center... Staying place clean.
Make 2 dives today. Temp around 30.C. Vis around 8meters. Spot big string Ray. About half of human size. And green turtle. And many others fishers which I dunno the name. Haha.
Sorry, no bring GoPro so, don't have photos to share here. Just Fun diving around. Hehe.
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Wearing 3mm wetsuit. Long sleeve with short pant. Last time everytime i dive I get shivering. But this time a lot better after with wetsuit. Going to toilet also easy and convenience with separate top and btm. Everything is good so far. Enjoying around with fishy. Small Shrimp climb walk on my hand.
I think For me, everything is easy and convenience is the best. Underwater-Up down left right upturn down turn, surface-easy release and attach, bring dive gear up/down to boat. Really happy dive today. Because mostly all equipments I newly purchase suit me well.

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im not sure how to describe my stature like but all i can say is im reasonably thin. oh and so i read triggerfish are highly territorial and badly tempered wouldnt want them fishies biting... sweat.gif
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How to be more careful? decrease the ascend / descend speed? or deepstop? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 1 2016, 08:05 PM)
Wearing 3mm wetsuit. Long sleeve with short pant. Last time everytime i dive I get shivering. But this time a lot better after with wetsuit. Going to toilet also easy and convenience with separate top and btm. Everything is good so far. Enjoying around with fishy. Small Shrimp climb walk on my hand.
I think For me, everything is easy and convenience is the best. Underwater-Up down left right upturn down turn, surface-easy release and attach, bring dive gear up/down to boat. Really happy dive today. Because mostly all equipments I newly purchase suit me well.
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So this trip is actually for testing gear rite? Haha
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For those curious about why our diving syllabus teaches the equalizing techniques the way they do, here's my attempt to simplify it:

First, notice the anatomy of our Eustachian tube..The opening, found at the back of the throat, is cone-shaped and is shut most of the time.

When you pinch your nose and blow hard, you create a high pressure area at the throat which forces air past the shut opening. I think everyone knows this by now.

However, if you equalize only when you feel the pressure/pain, the air within the eustachian tube has already been compressed, pulling the soft structures, especially the walls of the tube and the opening, closer and tighter together. This makes it harder to equalize.

If you keep going down despite failing to equalize, the excess negative pressure may:
-pull fluid from the walls of the tube, causing the tube to fill up with fluid, looking like an infection as i mentioned previously (aka barotitis media),
-suck in the soft membranes (eardrum, round/oval window) so hard it ruptures them

Hence the recommendations are to:
-equalize regularly in anticipation, even before you feel the pressure
-stop descending and attempt to equalize if you fail,
-ascend slightly and attempt again if you still fail

Most of the time these steps will work, unless you have an underlying problem. Which is the sniffles and a blocked nose in most cases. An infection swells up the walls of the tube, throat and opening, making it very hard to open them up. And that is why decongestants such as Clarinase may help.

The reverse squeeze is less common since air escapes easier from the inside. Unless of course your tube and opening walls are swollen as above. The eustachian tube opening has a few muscles surrounding it, which contracts and opens up the tube when you swallow.

Sometimes, even if you do not have a nose block or have taken some decongestants, you may find that equalizing is a hit-miss thing. Sometimes easy, sometimes impossible, on the same dive. This may be due to mucus blocking the opening of the tube. I find that swallowing a few times before equalizing again helps sometimes, but not always.

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You'll never forget being bitten by one laugh.gif
Equalize as much as possible. If pain, stop and try again. If still pain, abort dive.
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QUOTE(demetrius @ Jul 2 2016, 10:44 AM)
For those curious about why our diving syllabus teaches the equalizing techniques the way they do, here's my attempt to simplify it:

First, notice the anatomy of our Eustachian tube..The opening, found at the back of the throat, is cone-shaped and is shut most of the time.

When you pinch your nose and blow hard, you create a high pressure area at the throat which forces air past the shut opening. I think everyone knows this by now.

However, if you equalize only when you feel the pressure/pain, the air within the eustachian tube has already been compressed, pulling the soft structures, especially the walls of the tube and the opening, closer and tighter together. This makes it harder to equalize.

If you keep going down despite failing to equalize, the excess negative pressure may:
-pull fluid from the walls of the tube, causing the tube to fill up with fluid, looking like an infection as i mentioned previously (aka barotitis media),
-suck in the soft membranes (eardrum, round/oval window) so hard it ruptures them

Hence the recommendations are to:
-equalize regularly in anticipation, even before you feel the pressure
-stop descending and attempt to equalize if you fail,
-ascend slightly and attempt again if you still fail

Most of the time these steps will work, unless you have an underlying problem. Which is the sniffles and a blocked nose in most cases. An infection swells up the walls of the tube, throat and opening, making it very hard to open them up. And that is why decongestants such as Clarinase may help.

The reverse squeeze is less common since air escapes easier from the inside. Unless of course your tube and opening walls are swollen as above. The eustachian tube opening has a few muscles surrounding it, which contracts and opens up the tube when you swallow.

Sometimes, even if you do not have a nose block or have taken some decongestants, you may find that equalizing is a hit-miss thing. Sometimes easy, sometimes impossible, on the same dive. This may be due to mucus blocking the opening of the tube. I find that swallowing a few times before equalizing again helps sometimes, but not always.

Hope this helps. Feedback and corrections are much appreciated.
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 1 2016, 07:56 PM)
I'm in perhentian now. With mama chalet and free transport to turtle bay divers. Customer fre sly dive center... Staying place clean.
Make 2 dives today. Temp around 30.C. Vis around 8meters. Spot big string Ray. About half of human size. And green turtle. And many others fishers which I dunno the name. Haha.
Sorry, no bring GoPro so, don't have photos to share here. Just Fun diving around. Hehe.
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Big sting ray should be Jenkins' whipray.
This big guy always wandering around Perhentian one... He loved stay around De lagoon usually ... been spotted here couple of times edy...
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havent they been dead for a while? the last news i could pull up was from 09 reporting as such...

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Big sting ray should be Jenkins' whipray.
This big guy always wandering around Perhentian one... He loved stay around De lagoon usually ... been spotted here couple of times edy...
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Yes, D Lagoon. Turtle and dunno what Ray... Haha.
And spotted a lot of small sharks at beach Infront coral bay resort while snorkeling.. And some fish bite me...
Pinnacle current was strong. Haven start to dive already get exhausted because of need to kick hard to the dive point before descend.
Found when my weight is just good at starting. After my tank go less then 35bar. my buoyancy go positive and I can't manage to stop ascend. can't stop at safety stop.
Next dive need add weight then..
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havent they been dead for a while? the last news i could pull up was from 09 reporting as such...
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Too bad...At D lagoon perhentian. I had pick up a instant noodles cup under the seabed surrounded with corals. Dive leader show me a tumb. 😁
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theres your second thumb tongue.gif

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Yes, D Lagoon. Turtle and dunno what Ray... Haha.
And spotted a lot of small sharks at beach Infront coral bay resort while snorkeling.. And some fish bite me...
Pinnacle current was strong. Haven start to dive already get exhausted because of need to kick hard to the dive point before descend.
Found when my weight is just good at starting. After my tank go less then 35bar. my buoyancy go positive and I can't manage to stop ascend. can't stop at safety stop.
Next dive need add weight then..
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Why wait until you have 35bar? cowboy style diving?
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 3 2016, 03:56 PM)
Found when my weight is just good at starting. After my tank go less then 35bar. my buoyancy go positive and I can't manage to stop ascend. can't stop at safety stop.
Next dive need add weight then..
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To give you an idea how much weight you need to add...
Every 10 bars of air in that tank weighs ~ 140g
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Why wait until you have 35bar? cowboy style diving?
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When my tank left 40bars. Instructor already know. Besides, I'm already near to safety stop level. About depth less then 8meters. And many pro divers around me. So, no worry, just keep hanging around to finish tank. Haha. But who knows it goes positive buoyancy. ==

if in uncomfortable environment, sure I will make early ascend and will not plan to finish my tank. Haha.

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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 4 2016, 12:56 AM)
When my tank left 40bars. Instructor already know. Besides, I'm already near to safety stop level. About depth less then 8meters. And many pro divers around me. So, no worry, just keep hanging around to finish tank. Haha. But who knows it goes positive buoyancy. ==

if in uncomfortable environment, sure I will make early ascend and will not plan to finish my tank. Haha.
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It seemed you have the misconception of 'finish the tank' mindset. First off you need to get the concept right: the tank is not meant to be finished. Finished tank translates to finished life. It does not matter how comfortable or uncomfortable the environment is to you

Secondly, most probably you are just tired from the dive and not exhaling as much air as you did during earlier stage of your dive. The remnant air inside your lung will expand as you gradually ascend, and when you realised you are ascending uncontrollably, you'd try harder to exhale, which in turn will made you pant even more, and before you knew it you are already at surface. Probably it's better to give up and check if there are boat above you. I used to be like that, at a point I'm going down with 6kg and I still helicopter. Last I dive, I was trying to control my breathing and reduce the weight I carry gradually over a few dives, which I informed the dm. Last dive I used 4kg (later dm added another half kg to my tank since she's not entirely confident with me hehe) and did fine with complete safety stop.
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 3 2016, 01:56 PM)
Yes, D Lagoon. Turtle and dunno what Ray... Haha.
And spotted a lot of small sharks at beach Infront coral bay resort while snorkeling.. And some fish bite me...
Pinnacle current was strong. Haven start to dive already get exhausted because of need to kick hard to the dive point before descend.
Found when my weight is just good at starting. After my tank go less then 35bar. my buoyancy go positive and I can't manage to stop ascend. can't stop at safety stop.
Next dive need add weight then..
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Didn't your instructor teach you proper weighting? Conduct a weight check during the end of your checkout dive if you have not been diving for a while. Especially if you gained/lost (body)weight.

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QUOTE(vmt @ Jul 4 2016, 01:46 AM)
It seemed you have the misconception of 'finish the tank' mindset. First off you need to get the concept right: the tank is not meant to be finished. Finished tank translates to finished life. It does not matter how comfortable or uncomfortable the environment is to you

Secondly, most probably you are just tired from the dive and not exhaling as much air as you did during earlier stage of your dive. The remnant air inside your lung will expand as you gradually ascend, and when you realised you are ascending uncontrollably, you'd try harder to exhale, which in turn will made you pant even more, and before you knew it you are already at surface. Probably it's better to give up and check if there are boat above you. I used to be like that, at a point I'm going down with 6kg and I still helicopter. Last I dive, I was trying to control my breathing and reduce the weight I carry gradually over a few dives, which I informed the dm. Last dive I used 4kg (later dm added another half kg to my tank since she's not entirely confident with me hehe) and did fine with complete safety stop.
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Thank,
actually I plan to do a finish tank training after I got this situation. On the right time, right divers, right place. And there are more then 4 DM that time. Haha.
But I don't think I have this chance anymore.
I have 0 weight belt needed. Buoyancy are good at first 2 dives. On last dive, luckily I use up my air fast and I notice I need add weight to prevent positive buoyancy while I'm low on air.
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QUOTE(TAGreptiles @ Jul 4 2016, 02:08 AM)
Didn't your instructor teach you proper weighting? Conduct a weight check during the end of your checkout dive if you have not been diving for a while. Especially if you gained/lost (body)weight.
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Yup, but I just bought new sets of equipments, so I need to do every check and test myself again. And will get advice from instructor. Thanks.

In case an accident happen in deep underwater and I got low on air. Positive buoyancy will not happen. Else.... Hehe. Anyway, still a lot things to learn to pair with my new sets.

Just to inform myself I need to consider the buoyancy while my air is low. Do a weight check on low air tank as well.
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 4 2016, 08:52 AM)
Yup, but I just bought new sets of equipments, so I need to do every check and test myself again. And will get advice from instructor. Thanks.

In case an accident happen in deep underwater and I got low on air. Positive buoyancy will not happen. Else.... Hehe. Anyway, still a lot things to learn to pair with my new sets.

Just to inform myself I need to consider the buoyancy while my air is low. Do a weight check on low air tank as well.
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Try to avoid low on air situations unless you are already doing your safety stop.
In general shops do not like people to finish their air as well because water might go into the tank, or so I've been told.

Generally I find it harder to maintain buoyancy at 3m. I normally stay at 5m and fool around.

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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 4 2016, 08:52 AM)
Yup, but I just bought new sets of equipments, so I need to do every check and test myself again. And will get advice from instructor. Thanks.

In case an accident happen in deep underwater and I got low on air. Positive buoyancy will not happen. Else.... Hehe. Anyway, still a lot things to learn to pair with my new sets.

Just to inform myself I need to consider the buoyancy while my air is low. Do a weight check on low air tank as well.
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how low is low ?

in case of accident uw, i dont think ur buoyancy are related anymore ... hmmmm doesnt work this way ?
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 4 2016, 08:39 AM)
Thank,
actually I plan to do a finish tank training after I got this situation. On the right time, right divers, right place. And there are more then 4 DM that time. Haha.
But I don't think I have this chance anymore.
I have 0 weight belt needed. Buoyancy are good at first 2 dives. On last dive, luckily I use up my air fast and I notice I need add weight to prevent positive buoyancy while I'm low on air.
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Sounds awfully dangerous to try this out unless you have briefed everyone in the team and there are specific signals to show that you are seriously in trouble. Response time to help you will need to be immediate. No longer banging for help. .... icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(812799 @ Jul 4 2016, 10:49 AM)
how low is low ?

in case of accident uw, i dont think ur buoyancy are related anymore ... hmmmm doesnt work this way ?
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in case of out of air, I still can stick to my buddy with neutral buoyancy. better then positive buoyancy ..
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QUOTE(imran85 @ Jul 4 2016, 11:14 AM)
Sounds awfully dangerous to try this out unless you have briefed everyone in the team and there are specific signals to show that you are seriously in trouble. Response time to help you will need to be immediate. No longer banging for help. ....  icon_question.gif
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if really out of air I will just swim up with keep blowing air out from lung, and inflat my BCD by mouth on surface. not dangerous actually. hehe. because safety stop is done.
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 4 2016, 11:31 AM)
if really out of air I will just swim up with keep blowing air out from lung, and inflat my BCD by mouth on surface. not dangerous actually. hehe. because safety stop is done.
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Good luck... Still dangerous. Open up soo many risks for no reasons.. Like doing my CESA and reach top, you are out of breath to inflate BCD then hyperventilate so difficult to blow air then legs get tired and cramp.. First and last time I want to attempt that.
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 4 2016, 09:49 AM)
Try to avoid low on air situations unless you are already doing your safety stop.
In general shops do not like people to finish their air as well because water might go into the tank, or so I've been told.

Generally I find it harder to maintain buoyancy at 3m. I normally stay at 5m and fool around.
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oh.. ok. thumbsup.gif .. will not finish the tank.
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Good luck... Still dangerous. Open up soo many risks for no reasons.. Like doing my CESA and reach top, you are out of breath to inflate BCD then hyperventilate so difficult to blow air then legs get tired and cramp.. First and last time I want to attempt that.
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 4 2016, 11:31 AM)
if really out of air I will just swim up with keep blowing air out from lung, and inflat my BCD by mouth on surface. not dangerous actually. hehe. because safety stop is done.
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Read up more. Get educated about DCS and DCI, then rethink your statement. CESA reduces the risk, it does not eliminate the risks. Even normal non-deco dive one can end up with DCS/DCI. Diving till reaching extreme low on air situation is stupid and irresponsible to your self, your buddies and the dive centre you dive with. There's nothing to be proud of. If you wanna be proud of something, brag to your friends about how much air you have left.
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say...ive been doing plenty of homework on equipment i think its time i asked about the meat of the question which is which dive centers do you people obtain from on average? from the past threads especially V2 i recall seeing flo saying most people on these forums take them from divers den.

how are the instructors like? if possible contacts would be nice too smile.gif

personal preferences on instructors might be i suppose people of about slightly older than me say 27s~30s? kinda awkward if my instructor is like super decorated very old which makes me feel so small.....oh and i dont know color me picky but a female dive instructor would be nice too since in my experience with general teachers/lecturers/instructors who are female tends to be less abrasive but generally if its not possible i guess ill make do.

sorry if this sounds too demanding like a kind of steep prerequisite since ive been reading plenty of dive tragedies which might slightly make my choices biased... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jul 4 2016, 11:56 AM)
say...ive been doing plenty of homework on equipment i think its time i asked about the meat of the question which is which dive centers do you people obtain from on average? from the past threads especially V2 i recall seeing flo saying most people on these forums take them from divers den.

how are the instructors like? if possible contacts would be nice too  smile.gif

personal preferences on instructors might be i suppose people of about slightly older than me say 27s~30s? kinda awkward if my instructor is like super decorated very old which makes me feel so small.....oh and i dont know color me picky but a female dive instructor would be nice too since in my experience with general teachers/lecturers/instructors who are female tends to be less abrasive but generally if its not possible i guess ill make do.

sorry if this sounds too demanding like a kind of steep prerequisite since ive been reading plenty of dive tragedies which might slightly make my choices biased... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jul 4 2016, 11:56 AM)
say...ive been doing plenty of homework on equipment i think its time i asked about the meat of the question which is which dive centers do you people obtain from on average? from the past threads especially V2 i recall seeing flo saying most people on these forums take them from divers den.

how are the instructors like? if possible contacts would be nice too  smile.gif

personal preferences on instructors might be i suppose people of about slightly older than me say 27s~30s? kinda awkward if my instructor is like super decorated very old which makes me feel so small.....oh and i dont know color me picky but a female dive instructor would be nice too since in my experience with general teachers/lecturers/instructors who are female tends to be less abrasive but generally if its not possible i guess ill make do.

sorry if this sounds too demanding like a kind of steep prerequisite since ive been reading plenty of dive tragedies which might slightly make my choices biased... sweat.gif
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Our recommendation is go for people who will teach you the right stuff. Cheapest may not be the best as they may cut corners, use faulty equipment, photocopy books etc2 and then try make money by selling equipment to you.


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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 4 2016, 11:27 AM)
in case of out of air, I still can stick to my buddy with neutral buoyancy. better then positive buoyancy ..
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 4 2016, 11:31 AM)
if really out of air I will just swim up with keep blowing air out from lung, and inflat my BCD by mouth on surface. not dangerous actually. hehe. because safety stop is done.
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LOL with the way you visual what you shld do in that situation ...

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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 4 2016, 11:27 AM)
in case of out of air, I still can stick to my buddy with neutral buoyancy. better then positive buoyancy ..
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 4 2016, 11:31 AM)
if really out of air I will just swim up with keep blowing air out from lung, and inflat my BCD by mouth on surface. not dangerous actually. hehe. because safety stop is done.
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Do not rely on your buddy. At best, your buddy is the last resort you want to depend on because let's be frank, if you want to attempt at a dangerous situation for finishing your tank, chances are you and your buddy will get panic and things will get fucked up very quickly. What you are suggesting is dangerous not only to you but also threatening to your buddy/team. Whoever your buddy is he/she is either as cowboy as you do, or just plainly unfortunate.

Swimming up while blowing air from lung is known as Controlled Emergency Swimming Ascend (CESA) and as the name suggests, it is for emergency only. I'm not sure why you would want to attempt to finish your tank and do unnecessary stunts risking life/DCS/DCI to you and your buddy. Is it takut rugi because there's still a quarter of tank you paid you must finish it? Should you be insist to carry on diving this way come show your face and let fellow divers to recognise and avoid you as buddy. smile.gif
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 4 2016, 08:39 AM)
Thank,
actually I plan to do a finish tank training after I got this situation. On the right time, right divers, right place. And there are more then 4 DM that time. Haha.
But I don't think I have this chance anymore.
I have 0 weight belt needed. Buoyancy are good at first 2 dives. On last dive, luckily I use up my air fast and I notice I need add weight to prevent positive buoyancy while I'm low on air.
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You have 0 weight belt needed? What setup are you using? Why lucky use up air fast?
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Hi guys, planning to get my open water licence in September. Was planning to get it in koh pangan or koh Tao. Which one would you guys recommend?
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 4 2016, 10:39 AM)
Thank,
actually I plan to do a finish tank training after I got this situation. On the right time, right divers, right place. And there are more then 4 DM that time. Haha.
But I don't think I have this chance anymore.
I have 0 weight belt needed. Buoyancy are good at first 2 dives. On last dive, luckily I use up my air fast and I notice I need add weight to prevent positive buoyancy while I'm low on air.
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There's no need to do an empty tank test... as I've posted to you earlier, every 10 bars of air in your tank weighs roughly 140g. If you find yourself neutral at 50 bars with your BCD empty and lungs at tidal volume, then at 0 bars you'll be roughly 700g more buoyant.

Density of air = 1.225kg per 1000L
Internal volume of AL80 tank = 11.1L
Volume of air @ 50 bar = 11.1 x 50 = 555L
Weight of 555L of air = 555 x 1.225 / 1000 = 680g
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QUOTE(saw2001 @ Jul 4 2016, 01:37 PM)
Hi guys, planning to get my open water licence in September. Was planning to get it in koh pangan or koh Tao. Which one would you guys recommend?
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Not sure how many people dived there before to give you advise but I know Koh Tao has a lot of dive centers and is famous to be a place churning out divers and instructors.
You might end up being a new instructor's student to let them gain experience. Nothing wrong with that but you'll never know what type of instructor you would get.

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THanks for all the precious comments thumbup.gif

I'm wrong. Low of air is really dangerous. sweat.gif

I have the answer already.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(saw2001 @ Jul 4 2016, 01:37 PM)
Hi guys, planning to get my open water licence in September. Was planning to get it in koh pangan or koh Tao. Which one would you guys recommend?
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Yiu should go koh tao since at there have many dc n quite famous for diving .. koh pangan is a party place..not a dive place bro..
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 4 2016, 01:45 PM)
There's no need to do an empty tank test... as I've posted to you earlier, every 10 bars of air in your tank weighs roughly 140g. If you find yourself neutral at 50 bars with your BCD empty and lungs at tidal volume, then at 0 bars you'll be roughly 700g more buoyant.

Density of air = 1.225kg per 1000L
Internal volume of AL80 tank = 11.1L
Volume of air @ 50 bar = 11.1 x 50 = 555L
Weight of 555L of air = 555 x 1.225 / 1000 = 680g
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So..that means you need to off set the buoyancy by 700g if u wanna remain neutral below 50 bars??
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 4 2016, 01:45 PM)
There's no need to do an empty tank test... as I've posted to you earlier, every 10 bars of air in your tank weighs roughly 140g. If you find yourself neutral at 50 bars with your BCD empty and lungs at tidal volume, then at 0 bars you'll be roughly 700g more buoyant.

Density of air = 1.225kg per 1000L
Internal volume of AL80 tank = 11.1L
Volume of air @ 50 bar = 11.1 x 50 = 555L
Weight of 555L of air = 555 x 1.225 / 1000 = 680g
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You have 0 weight belt needed? What setup are you using? Why lucky use up air fast?
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I can descend when I deflate my BCD without any extra weight needed.

bcd & backplate.

so I know that if out of air accident happen I will get positive buoyancy.(Will not plan to empty my tank)** sweat.gif

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So..that means you need to off set the buoyancy by 700g if u wanna remain neutral below 50 bars??
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700g if you want to maintain the same buoyancy when you have 0 bars, everything else being equal.
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700g if you want to maintain the same buoyancy when you have 0 bars, everything else being equal.
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 4 2016, 01:54 PM)
Not sure how many people dived there before to give you advise but I know Koh Tao has a lot of dive centers and is famous to be a place churning out divers and instructors.
You might end up being a new instructor's student to let them gain experience. Nothing wrong with that but you'll never know what type of instructor you would get.
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Then where do you recommend for me to get my licence? I wanted to try it out over in perhentian but I believe it's a moonsoon season over there in September.

My choices would be either Indonesia or Thailand.
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QUOTE(saw2001 @ Jul 4 2016, 02:53 PM)
Then where do you recommend for me to get my licence? I wanted to try it out over in perhentian but I believe it's a moonsoon season over there in September.

My choices would be either Indonesia or Thailand.
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Perhentian is fine in September, east coast islands are open till October or so, just don't go during November. Instructors turnover rate there also quite high because matsallehs love to go perhentian too.

Check out MIDE for good deals if you are around kl end of this month.

If you got the budget to go Indonesia or Thailand, you can go Sabah too. Choose instructor, not so much on location.

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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jul 4 2016, 03:02 PM)
Perhentian is fine in September, east coast islands are open till October or so, just don't go during November. Instructors turnover rate there also quite high because matsallehs love to go perhentian too.

Check out MIDE for good deals if you are around kl end of this month.

If you got the budget to go Indonesia or Thailand, you can go Sabah too. Choose instructor, not so much on location.
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Any tips on how to select a good instructor? Was planning to visit Sabah as well, but it's just that my friends are sceptical about the kidnappings and stuff like that.
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Any tips on how to select a good instructor? Was planning to visit Sabah as well, but it's just that my friends are sceptical about the kidnappings and stuff like that.
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Hard to choose instructor if you're planning to do crash course on the island/resort. It's like a 50/50 chance but some dive centers do have good instructors.

There's Kota Kinabalu too. Kidnapping - no comment laugh.gif

If Indonesia, Padang is only a short flight away and pretty good too. Pulau Weh not really recommended for beginners since current there can be crazy but if you don't go during full moon should be alright, cheap too. You can check with Bali too, not the crazy current areas.
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 4 2016, 02:20 PM)
I can descend when I deflate my BCD without any extra weight needed.

bcd & backplate.

so I know that if out of air accident happen I will get positive buoyancy.(Will not plan to empty my tank)**  sweat.gif
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your backplate is aluminium or steel? if aluminium, it's roughly 1kg in weight, and you likely need to use min 1 weight, if you dive in board shorts and rashies, but if steel, likely no need. however, if you dive in full wetsuit, better use 2 weights to be safe (if aluminium, or 1 if steel)

also, depending on your fins, you may need to trim weights again, cos some fins are negative, and some are positive bouyant.
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You shouldn't test your response to an accident by getting yourself into one. unless you're training in a controlled environment.

If you wanna improve safety, it's better to relieve the other stressors that commonly mount on the major problem which leads to panic.

Performing only a CESA is simple. But the situations aren't usually so straightforward. OOA, badass current, lost buddy, poor viz, broken fin strap, or something as simple as water in mask can co-exist and may lead to a fatal ascent. With so many things at hand, you'll lose grip of important ones like your breathing.

So instead, prepare yourself by offloading tasks.

Of course, the higher your qualification and the more restrictions lifted, the higher the risks. It is not wise to test those limits without training.
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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 4 2016, 05:17 PM)
your backplate is aluminium or steel? if aluminium, it's roughly 1kg in weight, and you likely need to use min 1 weight, if you dive in board shorts and rashies, but if steel, likely no need. however, if you dive in full wetsuit, better use 2 weights to be safe (if aluminium, or 1 if steel)

also, depending on your fins, you may need to trim weights again, cos some fins are negative, and some are positive bouyant.
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I'm using the steel 1. So will put on 1 weight on next dive.
Before that I just thought I can descend that's it. But it is better to include the empty tank weight, I think.
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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jul 4 2016, 03:20 PM)
Hard to choose instructor if you're planning to do crash course on the island/resort. It's like a 50/50 chance but some dive centers do have good instructors.

There's Kota Kinabalu too. Kidnapping - no comment laugh.gif

If Indonesia, Padang is only a short flight away and pretty good too. Pulau Weh not really recommended for beginners since current there can be crazy but if you don't go during full moon should be alright, cheap too. You can check with Bali too, not the crazy current areas.
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Kidnapping in Kota Kinabalu? Boy you must be one of those "think they know all"

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QUOTE(demetrius @ Jul 4 2016, 06:58 PM)
You shouldn't test your response to an accident by getting yourself into one. unless you're training in a controlled environment.

If you wanna improve safety, it's better to relieve the other stressors that commonly mount on the major problem which leads to panic.

Performing only a CESA is simple. But the situations aren't usually so straightforward. OOA, badass current, lost buddy, poor viz, broken fin strap, or something as simple as water in mask can co-exist and may lead to a fatal ascent. With so many things at hand, you'll lose grip of important ones like your breathing.

So instead, prepare yourself by offloading tasks.

Of course, the higher your qualification and the more restrictions lifted, the higher the risks. It is not wise to test those limits without training.
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Okay, thx. Everyone have had this training in their course. Maybe will not train it anymore after the course? Dunno smile.gif

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QUOTE(Sham903n @ Jul 4 2016, 07:12 PM)
Kidnapping in Kota Kinabalu? Boy you must be one of those "think they know all"
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She meant 'there's KK if u're afraid of kidnappings. But even kidnappings in semporna would not deter one who truly wants to dive there'. We've discussed this matter plenty of times before, and the conclusion still stands. Risk is increased in semporna waters, but not that great. In the end it's up to yourself.

Sorry munkey for putting words in your mouth tongue.gif

QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 4 2016, 07:14 PM)
Okay, thx. Everyone have had this training in their course. Maybe will not train it anymore after the course? Dunno smile.gif
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Not don't train anymore, but don't purposely create an OOA situation just to use it. You can still practice without putting yourself in danger right? (assuming you're talking about CESA and buddy air sharing?)
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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 4 2016, 07:17 PM)
your backplate is aluminium or steel? if aluminium, it's roughly 1kg in weight, and you likely need to use min 1 weight, if you dive in board shorts and rashies, but if steel, likely no need. however, if you dive in full wetsuit, better use 2 weights to be safe (if aluminium, or 1 if steel)

also, depending on your fins, you may need to trim weights again, cos some fins are negative, and some are positive bouyant.
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In aluminium plate and no wetsuit i can dive without weight blocks... But after becoming fatty and gaining 5kg i needed one block... Lost 5kg and didnt need it again thumbup.gif
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Really nice. I cant imagine the effort to lower and position the statues in the sea.
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QUOTE(demetrius @ Jul 4 2016, 08:50 PM)
She meant 'there's KK if u're afraid of kidnappings. But even kidnappings in semporna would not deter one who truly wants to dive there'. We've discussed this matter plenty of times before, and the conclusion still stands. Risk is increased in semporna waters, but not that great. In the end it's up to yourself.

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Not don't train anymore, but don't purposely create an OOA situation just to use it. You can still practice without putting yourself in danger right? (assuming you're talking about CESA and buddy air sharing?)
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In aluminium plate and no wetsuit i can dive without weight blocks... But after becoming fatty and gaining 5kg i needed one block... Lost 5kg and didnt need it again thumbup.gif
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Kidnapping in Kota Kinabalu? Boy you must be one of those "think they know all"
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Well, all the best with your OW course at Pulau Sapi. Hope you see many many school of fishies there wink.gif

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QUOTE(demetrius @ Jul 4 2016, 08:50 PM)
She meant 'there's KK if u're afraid of kidnappings. But even kidnappings in semporna would not deter one who truly wants to dive there'. We've discussed this matter plenty of times before, and the conclusion still stands. Risk is increased in semporna waters, but not that great. In the end it's up to yourself.

Sorry munkey for putting words in your mouth tongue.gif
Not don't train anymore, but don't purposely create an OOA situation just to use it. You can still practice without putting yourself in danger right? (assuming you're talking about CESA and buddy air sharing?)
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Well, no issues diving with no weights if you're really comfortable. Problem is too many new divers too confident just when the instructor tell then they are good to boost their confidence, but took it wrongly and think they're really that good. And go out and start buying all the backplate and stuffs and dive with no weights and end up having all the ballooning issue. Imagine if it's in the strong current area and bit enough dm or instructors or even rescue divers around.
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She meant 'there's KK if u're afraid of kidnappings. But even kidnappings in semporna would not deter one who truly wants to dive there'. We've discussed this matter plenty of times before, and the conclusion still stands. Risk is increased in semporna waters, but not that great. In the end it's up to yourself.

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Not don't train anymore, but don't purposely create an OOA situation just to use it. You can still practice without putting yourself in danger right? (assuming you're talking about CESA and buddy air sharing?)
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Actually I always wondered, if like need to release our weight/weight belt during emergency situation. How bout those with backplate?
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When I dive with no releasable weight it's an amount I know I can kick up if my bladder fails, and I also keep with me backup buoyancy (SMB).
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You can still use releasable weight with a backplate e.g. weight belt / weight pockets.

When I dive with no releasable weight it's an amount I know I can kick up if my bladder fails, and I also keep with me backup buoyancy (SMB).
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You can still use releasable weight with a backplate e.g. weight belt / weight pockets.

When I dive with no releasable weight it's an amount I know I can kick up if my bladder fails, and I also keep with me backup buoyancy (SMB).
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Or in other way, remove your bcd. Your body itself is naturally bouyant, which is why I always say, if you use a backplate, you have to be very comfortable with it, which means you're not the panicky type of diver, or still very new to diving.

New divers, or those prone to panic, stay with normal jacket style bcd and weight belts so that others can assist you.
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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 02:01 PM)
Or in other way, remove your bcd. Your body itself is naturally bouyant, which is why I always say, if you use a backplate, you have to be very comfortable with it, which means you're not the panicky type of diver, or still very new to diving.

New divers, or those prone to panic, stay with normal jacket style bcd and weight belts so that others can assist you.
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I am not a panicky kind of diver but I am too chill. Which I think is kind of a problem too. haha bye.gif
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Seriously... I do not enjoy diving in cold water! >,<'

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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 04:01 PM)
Or in other way, remove your bcd. Your body itself is naturally bouyant, which is why I always say, if you use a backplate, you have to be very comfortable with it, which means you're not the panicky type of diver, or still very new to diving.

New divers, or those prone to panic, stay with normal jacket style bcd and weight belts so that others can assist you.
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Not sure what difference it would make in such a situation if one bcd is jacket style and the other is backplate style, can you elaborate?
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Not sure what difference it would make in such a situation if one bcd is jacket style and the other is backplate style, can you elaborate?
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almost everyone is trained and certified with a jacket BCD, thus more familiar with the usage. backplates on the other hand, requires different removal style, so your buddy may not be able to assist you

also, with most jackets, you wear a weight belt, so if you remove BCD, you will sink fast, which is why in training and exam, they teach you to remove weight belt first, so you will instantly be positive. with backplate and not wearing a weight belt, removing BCD will make you positive bouyant.
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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 03:56 PM)
almost everyone is trained and certified with a jacket BCD, thus more familiar with the usage. backplates on the other hand, requires different removal style, so your buddy may not be able to assist you

also, with most jackets, you wear a weight belt, so if you remove BCD, you will sink fast, which is why in training and exam, they teach you to remove weight belt first, so you will instantly be positive. with backplate and not wearing a weight belt, removing BCD will make you positive bouyant.
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Now this is incorrect. When purchasing you always take into consideration of the amount of lift the bladder in your donut gives. You should make sure it would be able to keep you afloat when fully inflated.
In rescue(actually in OW also) you learn that it is important to understand you buddy's gears and how to remove before even being in a dive. Plus as a diver it is good to understand different type of gears too and how to use them. That is why we always talk about gears during TT and if anyone is willing to bring it along for others to view n learn.

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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 03:56 PM)
almost everyone is trained and certified with a jacket BCD, thus more familiar with the usage. backplates on the other hand, requires different removal style, so your buddy may not be able to assist you

also, with most jackets, you wear a weight belt, so if you remove BCD, you will sink fast, which is why in training and exam, they teach you to remove weight belt first, so you will instantly be positive. with backplate and not wearing a weight belt, removing BCD will make you positive bouyant.
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Is positive buoyant good while emergency happen?
I just imagine that if I'm at positive buoyant, I will hard to control my ascend speed.
It was dangerous if emergency happen and panic and just wanted to get to surface.

if I'm in unconscious. then maybe.. hmm.gif
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Now this is incorrect. When purchasing you always take into consideration of the amount of lift the bladder in your donut gives. You should make sure it would be able to keep you afloat when fully inflated.
In rescue(actually in OW also) you learn that it is important to understand you buddy's gears and how to remove before even being in a dive. Plus as a diver it is good to understand different type of gears too and how to use them. That is why we always talk about gears during TT and if anyone is willing to bring it along for others to view n learn.
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i think there are many things that influences a purchase, and checking the lift of a bladder is really, imho, one of the lowest factor for casual divers. note, i use casual divers, who is probably the biggest group of divers. also, how many actually do buddy checks and learn how to remove before dive? yes, i agree this should be a set routine and stuffs, but honestly, most don't. they'll most probably just check air is open, everything is in place and working.

what you are mentioning is probably what should be done, and what is right way of doing things, but in reality, it's not. hardcore divers do that, cos they are passionate about their equipment. I do it as well. i do comparisons of bcd versus others in the market, what features it have, what ease of use it offers, etc...but most people...i like the BCD....i had a friend who bought Oxcheq just because the bladder comes in red...no other reason
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 5 2016, 06:03 PM)
Now this is incorrect. When purchasing you always take into consideration of the amount of lift the bladder in your donut gives. You should make sure it would be able to keep you afloat when fully inflated.
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Situation I'm thinking here is if the bladder punctures or the inflator elbow breaks... then you'd lose buoyancy from it. If you have no backup buoyancy, then byebye gotta ditch it.
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 5 2016, 04:03 PM)
Now this is incorrect. When purchasing you always take into consideration of the amount of lift the bladder in your donut gives. You should make sure it would be able to keep you afloat when fully inflated.
In rescue(actually in OW also) you learn that it is important to understand you buddy's gears and how to remove before even being in a dive. Plus as a diver it is good to understand different type of gears too and how to use them. That is why we always talk about gears during TT and if anyone is willing to bring it along for others to view n learn.
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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 02:29 AM)
Well, no issues diving with no weights if you're really comfortable. Problem is too many new divers too confident just when the instructor tell then they are good to boost their confidence, but took it wrongly and think they're really that good. And go out and start buying all the backplate and stuffs and dive with no weights and end up having all the ballooning issue. Imagine if it's in the strong current area and bit enough dm or instructors or even rescue divers around.
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That's possible, although I haven't seen anyone like that. What I see more often though, are new divers who dive wayyy overweighted, having never learned proper weighting/breathing/descent/hover technique... when they could be enjoying so much more if their instructors had taught them that from the beginning cry.gif

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Situation I'm thinking here is if the bladder punctures or the inflator elbow breaks... then you'd lose buoyancy from it. If you have no backup buoyancy, then byebye gotta ditch it.
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ok, i think i understand from Evan's point of view on why he talks about bladder lift and why he disagree with removing BCD (for backplate). i guess in emergency situation, you need lift. for jackets, most are neutral or positive bouyant inherently, and air in the jacket will definitely make it positive. for backplate, it should be inherently neutral without air, although for steel plate, cos be slight negative. now, add the tanks to it, and you're about 2kg negative.

so yeah, when bladder is puncture or can't be inflated, you need immediate lift, so removing BCD (for backplate) will be best, and ditching weights for Jackets will be best
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 5 2016, 04:26 PM)
Is positive buoyant good while emergency happen?
I just imagine that if I'm at positive buoyant, I will hard to control my ascend speed.
It was dangerous if emergency happen and panic and just wanted to get to surface.

if I'm in unconscious. then maybe.. hmm.gif
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Positive buoyancy is good when you are on the surface of the water. Not while you are underwater. When underwater we emphasis on controlled ascend.

QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 04:27 PM)
i think there are many things that influences a purchase, and checking the lift of a bladder is really, imho, one of the lowest factor for casual divers. note, i use casual divers, who is probably the biggest group of divers. also, how many actually do buddy checks and learn how to remove before dive? yes, i agree this should be a set routine and stuffs, but honestly, most don't. they'll most probably just check air is open, everything is in place and working.

what you are mentioning is probably what should be done, and what is right way of doing things, but in reality, it's not. hardcore divers do that, cos they are passionate about their equipment. I do it as well. i do comparisons of bcd versus others in the market, what features it have, what ease of use it offers, etc...but most people...i like the BCD....i had a friend who bought Oxcheq just because the bladder comes in red...no other reason
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I consider myself a casual diver and I find that these information are important. I would prefer to provide people with these information than to just say "hey just follow what everyone does". As a group we always try to educate and share unless you know, some people's cup are already full and can't take in any advise we give.

Now I know we don't really do buddy checking but I think it would be good to make a culture to check you buddy's equipment at least once. I mean I wouldn't get angry at anyone approaching me asking about my gear.

Lets not go with the norm, lets go with safety.

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Situation I'm thinking here is if the bladder punctures or the inflator elbow breaks... then you'd lose buoyancy from it. If you have no backup buoyancy, then byebye gotta ditch it.
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Blader puncture already of course ditch, it would be dead weight. But if no puncture a BCD (like Number's cavlar Oxycheq) is a good life jacket.

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Positive buoyancy is good when you are on the surface of the water. Not while you are underwater. When underwater we emphasis on controlled ascend.
I consider myself a casual diver and I find that these information are important. I would prefer to provide people with these information than to just say "hey just follow what everyone does". As a group we always try to educate and share unless you know, some people's cup are already full and can't take in any advise we give.

Now I know we don't really do buddy checking but I think it would be good to make a culture to check you buddy's equipment at least once. I mean I wouldn't get angry at anyone approaching me asking about my gear.

Lets not go with the norm, lets go with safety.
Blader puncture already of course ditch, it would be dead weight. But if no puncture a BCD (like Number's cavlar Oxycheq) is a good life jacket.
No one wanna organize. Haha
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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 06:43 PM)
ok, i think i understand from Evan's point of view on why he talks about bladder lift and why he disagree with removing BCD (for backplate). i guess in emergency situation, you need lift. for jackets, most are neutral or positive bouyant inherently, and air in the jacket will definitely make it positive. for backplate, it should be inherently neutral without air, although for steel plate, cos be slight negative. now, add the tanks to it, and you're about 2kg negative.
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Should be more than that. My aluminum BPW is -2.0kg in water with air sucked out. Regs another -1.5kg. AL80 tank between -1.0kg to +1.8kg depending how spent it is. Total -4.5kg with full tank.

To offset that, there's wetsuit +x kg, body +x kg.

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agree with you, should always spread the safety message. too many ppl in the world with herd mentality, doing things without knowing why they need to do it.
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Yea. Specially with diving a lot ppl take the dangers too lightly.  cry.gif
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Met a diver from NZ a few months ago, was shocked when he told me that this year, 9 divers died there ohmy.gif That's like 2 per month.
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I think in Malaysia also have just not all cases are reported in the media.

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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 5 2016, 04:54 PM)
I consider myself a casual diver and I find that these information are important. I would prefer to provide people with these information than to just say "hey just follow what everyone does". As a group we always try to educate and share unless you know, some people's cup are already full and can't take in any advise we give.

Now I know we don't really do buddy checking but I think it would be good to make a culture to check you buddy's equipment at least once. I mean I wouldn't get angry at anyone approaching me asking about my gear.
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+1. I do that too. I would volunteer that my weights were integrated and explain how to release them, and their eyes would widen like they just realized they didn't check my weights. Lol.

I always have buddies who think they're too 'cool' for buddy checks. Til they jump in and then notice their tank strap is loose. Then gave them the 'I told u so' smirk and from then onwards buddy checks were done.

Buddy checks are also very useful for the little stuff.. Like mask defogging, fastening crotch strap, and the notorious unsecured SPG

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too many new gungho divers!
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My news feeds usually report death in experienced and highly qualified divers though.. Especially in the West.
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+1. I do that too. I would volunteer that
My news feeds usually report death in experienced and highly qualified divers though.. Especially in the West.
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Yaya. Agree. I read a lot diver accident lesson for life. Accident happen mostly involve are experience divers.
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Yaya. Agree. I read a lot diver accident lesson for life. Accident happen mostly involve are experience divers.
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My theory is being the experienced divers forgot the basics of safety.

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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 5 2016, 07:02 PM)
Yaya. Agree. I read a lot diver accident lesson for life. Accident happen mostly involve are experience divers.
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not sure about the logic though. there are definitely far more inexperience divers than experienced divers, and inexperienced divers are usually more careless/unaware of situations compared to experienced divers. Therefore, logic will dictate that the number of accidents attributed to inexperience divers will far outweigh the experienced divers.

also, how to define experienced divers in the first place? AOW diver with 8 dives under his/her belt or OW diver with 50 dives? secondly, news are likely from west because of stricter regulations/awareness of safety, so any accidents are rare and often reported? we don't hear much news from this region because of the many 'sweatshops' DC churning out goldfish or seahorse divers? accidents that happens is usually reported only in local news and not international/regional news because it happens to often? unless there are death, usually no reports in newspaper.

again, my humble opinion
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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 07:11 PM)
not sure about the logic though. there are definitely far more inexperience divers than experienced divers, and inexperienced divers are usually more careless/unaware of situations compared to experienced divers. Therefore, logic will dictate that the number of accidents attributed to inexperience divers will far outweigh the experienced divers.

also, how to define experienced divers in the first place? AOW diver with 8 dives under his/her belt or OW diver with 50 dives? secondly, news are likely from west because of stricter regulations/awareness of safety, so any accidents are rare and often reported? we don't hear much news from this region because of the many 'sweatshops' DC churning out goldfish or seahorse divers? accidents that happens is usually reported only in local news and not international/regional news because it happens to often? unless there are death, usually no reports in newspaper.

again, my humble opinion
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No idea, normally they a lot of dive in their logbook maybe?
I think most important is follow the rules. Safety first. Not to be curious to go over self limit.
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 5 2016, 07:09 PM)
My theory is being the experienced divers forgot the basics of safety.
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i think thats quite applicable in any field or occasion

QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 07:11 PM)
not sure about the logic though. there are definitely far more inexperience divers than experienced divers, and inexperienced divers are usually more careless/unaware of situations compared to experienced divers. Therefore, logic will dictate that the number of accidents attributed to inexperience divers will far outweigh the experienced divers.

also, how to define experienced divers in the first place? AOW diver with 8 dives under his/her belt or OW diver with 50 dives? secondly, news are likely from west because of stricter regulations/awareness of safety, so any accidents are rare and often reported? we don't hear much news from this region because of the many 'sweatshops' DC churning out goldfish or seahorse divers? accidents that happens is usually reported only in local news and not international/regional news because it happens to often? unless there are death, usually no reports in newspaper.

again, my humble opinion
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the logic to that is when you become good or experienced you would tend to take shorthands or shortcuts just to simplify the process. a simple example would be language,think for a moment,when you become fluent in a language you tend to forget the simple things like what is a verb or noun whilst still being able to speak fluently because by then most of the basics have become part of you meaning you will naturally/sub consciously do it without being aware as opposed to someone who is fresh meat which obviously doesnt want to make mistakes on the first attempt and therefore will pay attention to the nitty gritty things.

hopefully my explanation isnt to hard to grasp tongue.gif

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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jul 5 2016, 07:20 PM)
i think thats quite applicable in any field or occasion
the logic to that is when you become good or experienced you would tend to take shorthands or shortcuts just to simplify the process. a simple example would be language,think for a moment,when you become fluent in a language you tend to forget the simple things like what is a verb or noun whilst still being able to speak fluently because by then most of the basics have become part of you meaning you will naturally/sub consciously do it without being aware as opposed to someone who is fresh meat which obviously doesnt want to make mistakes on the first attempt and therefore will pay attention to the nitty gritty things.

hopefully my explanation isnt to hard to grasp tongue.gif
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wouldn't that mean that if you're trained properly, doing all the safe things should be in-grained in you without you thinking about it? like when a regulator is out from your mouth, you will continue to blow some bubbles? or you'll automatically check for air pressure once in a while during dives and not when the guide or DM ask you for it? or you'll automatically do safety stop even when others dont' bother?


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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 07:27 PM)
wouldn't that mean that if you're trained properly, doing all the safe things should be in-grained in you without you thinking about it? like when a regulator is out from your mouth, you will continue to blow some bubbles? or you'll automatically check for air pressure once in a while during dives and not when the guide or DM ask you for it? or you'll automatically do safety stop even when others dont' bother?
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well...it would be ingrained in you but experienced doesnt neccessarily denote that you are now infallible just because of said experience since people do get brain fart occasionally like....err...well...my next example would be i suppose math? you know like being able to do advanced math like a pro but when you sometimes try to do simple addition,multiplication you seem to mess up despite it being basic/simple?

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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jul 5 2016, 07:36 PM)
well...it would be ingrained in you but experienced doesnt neccessarily denote that you are now infallible just because of said experience since people do get brain fart occasionally like....err...well...my next example would be i suppose math? you know like being able to do advanced math like a pro but when you sometimes try to do simple addition,multiplication you seem to mess up despite it being basic/simple?
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haha, good point! then again, inexperience divers do it all the time, so they fail as well? that doesn't explain the news that more experienced divers are the ones that are getting into accidents, and not the inexperienced divers
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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 07:11 PM)
not sure about the logic though. there are definitely far more inexperience divers than experienced divers, and inexperienced divers are usually more careless/unaware of situations compared to experienced divers. Therefore, logic will dictate that the number of accidents attributed to inexperience divers will far outweigh the experienced divers.

also, how to define experienced divers in the first place? AOW diver with 8 dives under his/her belt or OW diver with 50 dives? secondly, news are likely from west because of stricter regulations/awareness of safety, so any accidents are rare and often reported? we don't hear much news from this region because of the many 'sweatshops' DC churning out goldfish or seahorse divers? accidents that happens is usually reported only in local news and not international/regional news because it happens to often? unless there are death, usually no reports in newspaper.

again, my humble opinion
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I've observed that too. Number of incompetent divers getting certified and such. But the number of them who actually continue diving isn't that great i suppose.

I think death from diving is quite a big thing here. Dying from a recreational activity is something that shouldn't happen, provides awareness to public and hence is something worth reporting. But i do agree that near-misses are likely under-reported.

However, comparing relatively the number of deaths reported, shouldn't the number of accidents follow closely? I mean, you can't only excel in number of deaths without near-misses rite? It's a continuum from a simple mistake all the way to tragedy.

This is solely my personal opinion and i have no stats to back my observations up.
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There are no old gungho divers because they either died-ed or become smarter divers after KENA
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This! Hahah.

And wow so active today.

And yea I'm sure lots of cases covered up, especially in countries where rules and regulations are not so strictly enforced.
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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 07:27 PM)
wouldn't that mean that if you're trained properly, doing all the safe things should be in-grained in you without you thinking about it? like when a regulator is out from your mouth, you will continue to blow some bubbles? or you'll automatically check for air pressure once in a while during dives and not when the guide or DM ask you for it? or you'll automatically do safety stop even when others dont' bother?
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I think even when given proper training, some people would think they are very "pro" and forget these trainings.
and the thought of being "pro" leads to mistakes.

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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 09:11 PM)
also, how to define experienced divers in the first place?
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To me, an experienced diver is one who has been challenged in many different environments and situations. But even then, he would still be considered inexperienced when put in a new or unfamiliar environment/situation.
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 5 2016, 07:55 PM)
I think even when given proper training, some people would think they are very "pro" and forget these trainings.
and the thought of being "pro" leads to mistakes.
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that's more of ego problem?

QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 5 2016, 07:58 PM)
To me, an experienced diver is one who has been challenged in many different environments and situations. But even then, he would still be considered inexperienced when put in a new or unfamiliar environment/situation.
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i think being experienced is that you understand the fundamentals of diving, and given any diving conditions, you are able to properly navigate the best/safest way around it? granted, in some situations, need split second decision making, and some might take the wrong decision, such in the case of the Finland cave divers who died in Norway. are they being careless? 'forget' training?

http://www.vg.no/spesial/2014/dodsdykket/index_eng.php
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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 08:07 PM)
that's more of ego problem?
i think being experienced is that you understand the fundamentals of diving, and given any diving conditions, you are able to properly navigate the best/safest way around it? granted, in some situations, need split second decision making, and some might take the wrong decision, such in the case of the Finland cave divers who died in Norway. are they being careless? 'forget' training?

http://www.vg.no/spesial/2014/dodsdykket/index_eng.php
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Yea. Cos I've seen people who goes "I have 50 dives under my belt so I can dive 60m" *cough* ya*cough*nie *cough*

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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 5 2016, 08:11 PM)
Yea. Cos I've seen people who goes "I have 50 dives under my belt so I can dive 60m" *cough* ya*cough*nie *cough*
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haha, good point! then again, inexperience divers do it all the time, so they fail as well? that doesn't explain the news that more experienced divers are the ones that are getting into accidents, and not the inexperienced divers
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oh i wasnt implying experienced people are the ones getting into accidents often,im merely pointing out the part where you didnt understand since that does happen tongue.gif
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 5 2016, 07:58 PM)
To me, an experienced diver is one who has been challenged in many different environments and situations. But even then, he would still be considered inexperienced when put in a new or unfamiliar environment/situation.
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Practical and logical definition. A 1000-dive instructor would still be 'inexperienced' for his first ice dive.

QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 08:07 PM)
i think being experienced is that you understand the fundamentals of diving, and given any diving conditions, you are able to properly navigate the best/safest way around it? granted, in some situations, need split second decision making, and some might take the wrong decision, such in the case of the Finland cave divers who died in Norway. are they being careless? 'forget' training?

http://www.vg.no/spesial/2014/dodsdykket/index_eng.php
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In the end i feel that it's all about risk relative to competency. And competency comes with enough trials in that environment.

Some environments are so technically demanding and complex that missing out just one item from the checklist can be fatal.
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QUOTE(demetrius @ Jul 5 2016, 09:13 PM)
Practical and logical definition. A 1000-dive instructor would still be 'inexperienced' for his first ice dive.
In the end i feel that it's all about risk relative to competency. And competency comes with enough trials in that environment.

Some environments are so technically demanding and complex that missing out just one item from the checklist can be fatal.
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that's why i'll never do cave diving. dark and nothing to see.....and all the added complexity and dangers to it...

ice diving, on the other hand..could be pretty exciting. dry suit will be a new experience of course
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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 09:15 PM)
that's why i'll never do cave diving. dark and nothing to see.....and all the added complexity and dangers to it...

ice diving, on the other hand..could be pretty exciting. dry suit will be a new experience of course
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Yea me neither. And tec-diving as well. Too troublesome for that extra few meters of depth.

I'd go for freediving. Not part of scuba but i like the concept of a minimalist dive, which, given enough practice, can actually improve your skills and efficiency in scuba.
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Yea me neither. And tec-diving as well. Too troublesome for that extra few meters of depth.

I'd go for freediving. Not part of scuba but i like the concept of a minimalist dive, which, given enough practice, can actually improve your skills and efficiency in scuba.
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i dont mind doing some free-diving as well...just that need to buy extra full foot fins. i'm a swimmer, and i can did 10m without fins before. but touch and go only la...and that is no where near proper free diving as i'm not really relaxed and doing the vertical swim down.

then again, much nicer just doing a slow drift dive through amazing corals and fish!
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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 09:15 PM)
that's why i'll never do cave diving. dark and nothing to see.....and all the added complexity and dangers to it...

ice diving, on the other hand..could be pretty exciting. dry suit will be a new experience of course
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i digress tongue.gif the fun of cave diving is to explore and map cave networks. well its still beyond me as of now but what i think cave diving distilled is about ambiguity which is part of the adventure. although i can understand its not everyones cup of tea or coffee for you coffee lovers out there so ner ner tongue.gif
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jul 5 2016, 02:48 PM)
well...its hard isnt it? its the "you cant get the best of both worlds syndrome" ......you either really get to give more than you can take  sad.gif
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Well... Yeah.
Unlike in Malaysia, u get warm surface and warm water.
And Hokkaido, u get colder surface and icy cold water.

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Secret Bay - Manjangan - Permuteran - Tulamben - Seraya - Melasti - Amed - Crystal Bay - Blue Corner - Manta Point

The main challenge is in:
Pulau Manjangan, open Java Sea.
Crystal Bay, Nusa Penida, famous for washing machine currents and Mola2.
Blue Corner, crazy current side, last visit... Many pelagic... Open Sea...

^ above dive site, water can be very cold about 16'C especially in Nusa Penida and Manjangan where thermocline is present.

Hopefully can spot this:
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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 09:15 PM)
that's why i'll never do cave diving. dark and nothing to see.....and all the added complexity and dangers to it...

ice diving, on the other hand..could be pretty exciting. dry suit will be a new experience of course
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I done both.
Cave dive ... scary. I dont like it. Always remember inside the cave, stay calm and breathe casually.
Those with Tunnel Vision or "Forget the Term", not really encourage to do cave dive so much unless challenge is your cup of tea!
("Forget the Term" there's one term being said about some divers will only focus one point and stress with it, eventually it will cause panic. Is in the PADI DM and Rescue Syllabus. hahhaha, just not in my brain now for tat word) any1 wanna help!? hmm.gif

Ice dive, wow a very good experienced!! Done it earlier this year in Hokkaido, Sea of Okhotsk.
How you wear a dry suit, pump in air la, how to control buoyancy la, how you cut triangle on the ice surface, why do not cut round shape or square shape etc... Follow the rope la...
Cannot go so deep, later equipment freeze la. Cannot dive so long also. Many hazards, hypothermia everything...

Go in ... spotted Sea Angel and come out. Damage about RM250 - 300/dive. Bottom time less than 20 minutes and not exceeding 12 meters . Like having DSD. Water Temp was about 4'C -5'C. Surface about -8'C to -12'C...

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QUOTE(ukiya @ Jul 5 2016, 09:45 PM)
Well... Yeah.
Unlike in Malaysia, u get warm surface and warm water.
And Hokkaido, u get colder surface and icy cold water.
Bali... Doing whole island safari tomorrow.
Secret Bay - Manjangan - Permuteran - Tulamben - Seraya - Melasti - Amed - Crystal Bay - Blue Corner - Manta Point
I done both.
Cave dive ... scary. I dont like it. Always remember inside the cave, stay calm and breathe casually.
Those with Tunnel Vision or "Forget the Term", not really encourage to do cave dive so much unless challenge is your cup of tea!

Ice dive, wow a very good experienced!! Done it earlier this year in Hokkaido, Sea of Okhotsk.
How you wear a dry suit, pump in air la, how to control buoyancy la, how you cut triangle on the ice surface, why do not cut round shape or square shape etc... Follow the rope la...
Cannot go so deep, later equipment freeze la. Cannot dive so long also. Many hazards, hypothermia everything...

Go in ... spotted Sea Angel and come out. Damage about RM250 - 300/dive. Bottom time less than 20 minutes and not exceeding 12 meters . Like having DSD. Water Temp was about 4'C -5'C. Surface about -8'C to -12'C...
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aaaaaand in Tokyo Bay you get lukewarm water tongue.gif well i guess theres Chiba prefecture like its practically next door with nice scenic beaches laugh.gif

additional because the heatwave is ongoing now and its sort of gotten to my head 35C doh.gif

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QUOTE(ukiya @ Jul 5 2016, 09:45 PM)
Bali... Doing whole island safari tomorrow.
Secret Bay - Manjangan - Permuteran - Tulamben - Seraya - Melasti - Amed - Crystal Bay - Blue Corner - Manta Point
I done both.
Cave dive ... scary. I dont like it. Always remember inside the cave, stay calm and breathe casually.
Those with Tunnel Vision or "Forget the Term", not really encourage to do cave dive so much unless challenge is your cup of tea!

Ice dive, wow a very good experienced!! Done it earlier this year in Hokkaido, Sea of Okhotsk.
How you wear a dry suit, pump in air la, how to control buoyancy la, how you cut triangle on the ice surface, why do not cut round shape or square shape etc... Follow the rope la...
Cannot go so deep, later equipment freeze la. Cannot dive so long also. Many hazards, hypothermia everything...

Go in ... spotted Sea Angel and come out. Damage about RM250 - 300/dive. Bottom time less than 20 minutes and not exceeding 12 meters . Like having DSD. Water Temp was about 4'C -5'C. Surface about -8'C to -12'C...
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Wow. Safari haha.

Can you slow down on your diving and come share a bit during TT. Lol
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jul 5 2016, 09:50 PM)
aaaaaand in Tokyo Bay you get lukewarm water tongue.gif well i guess theres Chiba prefecture like its practically next door with nice scenic beaches  laugh.gif

additional because the heatwave is ongoing now and its sort of gotten to my head 35C doh.gif
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QUOTE(demetrius @ Jul 5 2016, 09:53 PM)
Wow. Safari haha.

Can you slow down on your diving and come share a bit during TT. Lol
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Been busy... during TT... Missed few rounds edy!

After this safari, will be doing Whale Sharks Dreamland and Manta Ray in a school of 100 - 200 swimming in a vortex.
However, diving was banned in the dive site since long ago. Now only can do snorkeling. Probably avoid divers being banged by the gentle giants! Will still do diving around the island, just the particular site is not permitted to dive during this season.

Location: Hanifaru Bay, Maldives.

Doing land base this round - Kihaad. Diving Trip as well in early August 2016!

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Going to dive Okinawa Japan next year. Trying to figure out how to get to Yonaguni dive site. The mystical underwater structures!
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well you might as well start watching the mercury rising~xD
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Was planning for early months of the year around March or April where whales and hammerheads are common in that area. Mana tahu, Air Asia zero fair no promo. So go summer see see n look look...

Whales I'll be visit this November in NZ.
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Yea. Cos I've seen people who goes "I have 50 dives under my belt so I can dive 60m" *cough* ya*cough*nie *cough*
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QUOTE(ukiya @ Jul 5 2016, 09:45 PM)
Well... Yeah.
Unlike in Malaysia, u get warm surface and warm water.
And Hokkaido, u get colder surface and icy cold water.
Bali... Doing whole island safari tomorrow.
Secret Bay - Manjangan - Permuteran - Tulamben - Seraya - Melasti - Amed - Crystal Bay - Blue Corner - Manta Point

The main challenge is in:
Pulau Manjangan, open Java Sea.
Crystal Bay, Nusa Penida, famous for washing machine currents and Mola2.
Blue Corner, crazy current side, last visit... Many pelagic... Open Sea...

^ above dive site, water can be very cold about 16'C especially in Nusa Penida and Manjangan where thermocline is present.

Hopefully can spot this:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

I done both.
Cave dive ... scary. I dont like it. Always remember inside the cave, stay calm and breathe casually.
Those with Tunnel Vision or "Forget the Term", not really encourage to do cave dive so much unless challenge is your cup of tea!
("Forget the Term" there's one term being said about some divers will only focus one point and stress with it, eventually it will cause panic. Is in the PADI DM and Rescue Syllabus. hahhaha, just not in my brain now for tat word) any1 wanna help!?  hmm.gif

Ice dive, wow a very good experienced!! Done it earlier this year in Hokkaido, Sea of Okhotsk.
How you wear a dry suit, pump in air la, how to control buoyancy la, how you cut triangle on the ice surface, why do not cut round shape or square shape etc... Follow the rope la...
Cannot go so deep, later equipment freeze la. Cannot dive so long also. Many hazards, hypothermia everything...

Go in ... spotted Sea Angel and come out. Damage about RM250 - 300/dive. Bottom time less than 20 minutes and not exceeding 12 meters . Like having DSD. Water Temp was about 4'C -5'C. Surface about -8'C to -12'C...
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Sure it will be interesting for everyone here. Hehe.


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Wao.... Cool.... Do you have a series of your diving documentary, videos on any blog or..?
Sure it will be interesting for everyone here. Hehe.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-06/scub...-ordeal/7574496

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Scuba diver rescued after six hours at sea unfazed by ordeal, planning return to water

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A scuba diver who spent more than six hours drifting off the south-east Queensland coast after becoming separated from his group will not let the experience keep him out of the water.

Jacob Childs was the subject of an extensive air and sea search off the coast of Bundaberg on Tuesday afternoon.

The 30-year-old, who considers himself a "relatively experienced diver", was in the water at the Althea Wreck, approximately 30 nautical miles north-east of Bundaberg, when he became separated from his crew and began to drift about midday.

He had the presence of mind to film himself, capturing his thoughts late in the day as daylight and hope were beginning to fade when search crews had failed to spot him in the water.

"So that's it. The sun goes down they won't do nothing. That's a wrap on old Jakey," he said in the video.

A frame from dive instructor Jacob Childs' GoPro vision shows a search aircraft looking for him.

He was eventually rescued about 6:00pm, just after sunset.

"It's a long time to spend by yourself," he told the ABC a day after being rescued.

Mr Childs said he could see and hear helicopters around him but they were unable to spot him.

"Then apparently there were a lot of boats out there but I didn't see any of those ... all I had seen and heard was a trawler which I tried swimming towards," he said.

About 5:30pm, a plane spotted Mr Childs and Water Police were able to reach him.

"I was nice and warm in my wetsuit ... I wasn't overly tired as I was floating," he said.

"I just wanted a drink of water and a cup of tea."

He said the thought of having to spend the night at sea did not worry him.

"I think it's just one of those things ... if you've got to do it, you've got to do it," he said.

The experience has not turned him off scuba diving either.

"I'll be in the water tomorrow probably," he said.

'He didn't panic and did all the right things'

Mr Childs said he drifted away after missing the chance to grab the boat's tagline.

"We took a while to anchor up ... which left us [with] several people in different states of readiness. I was one of the first to hop in [to the water]," he said.

"It was then 15 minutes before the last people hopped in ... in which time we were fighting the current the whole way.

"Then we started to descend down the line. One person was up the top, so I went to swap hands and I missed the rope ... so I surfaced alongside to the boat.

"There was no tagline out the back for me to grab on to ... by the time the skipper had thrown it out I was already past it."

The officer in charge of the search operation, Sergeant Rob Jorna, said Mr Childs' experience with the sea helped aircraft locate him.

"He knew what to do, and his level headedness at the time, and he didn't panic and he did all the right things, and activated his safety equipment which alerted the air observer," Sergeant Jorna said.


You never know when you're going to need that big SMB...

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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 7 2016, 05:52 PM)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-06/scub...-ordeal/7574496
You never know when you're going to need that big SMB...
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 7 2016, 05:52 PM)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-06/scub...-ordeal/7574496
You never know when you're going to need that big SMB...
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well at least it didnt end badly since i hear hypothermia is a real risk out in the ocean especially in cold waters

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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 7 2016, 05:52 PM)
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-06/scub...-ordeal/7574496
You never know when you're going to need that big SMB...
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 7 2016, 07:19 PM)
How about a bright strobe light? wink.gif
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Strobe light will run out of battery after so many hours also.

Reflector mirror will work I guess?
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 7 2016, 07:19 PM)
How about a bright strobe light? wink.gif
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If you bring your camera than okay. If not than something bright would do. Night time got no search n rescue also.
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 7 2016, 08:05 PM)
If you bring your camera than okay. If not than something bright would do. Night time got no search n rescue also.
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What a challenging of diving in a cave and currents everywhere...

Spotted few big black tips sharks, Dolphins, electrical clams few more.


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QUOTE(ukiya @ Jul 7 2016, 08:29 PM)
What a challenging of diving in a cave and currents everywhere...

Spotted few big black tips sharks, Dolphins, electrical clams few more.
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curiosity led me to look up the electric clam,for a moment i thought it might have been a typo and i just LOL-ed

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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jul 7 2016, 07:30 PM)
I need a bigger sausage.

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Or lie the sausage flat on the water, and spin it. While blowing away your huge whistle. Choppers are noisy but i guess they wouldn't miss a high pitched whistle? Lol
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 7 2016, 09:19 PM)
How about a bright strobe light? wink.gif
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Any signaling device is better than nothing. But the effectiveness of them are situational. In this particular case, the S&R crew specifically said that they spotted the SMB.

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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 7 2016, 10:05 PM)
If you bring your camera than okay. If not than something bright would do. Night time got no search n rescue also.
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I think he meant a safety strobe, not a photographic one. Like this: https://www.divegearexpress.com/tektite-mul...00-strobe-light
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Very interesting topic.

I was recommended to get See Rescue Streamer
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QUOTE(LIW @ Jul 7 2016, 10:09 PM)
Very interesting topic.

I was recommended to get See Rescue Streamer
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 7 2016, 10:05 PM)
I think he meant a safety strobe, not a photographic one. Like this: https://www.divegearexpress.com/tektite-mul...00-strobe-light
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 8 2016, 12:23 AM)
Too many things to bring along. Will become christmas tree. Now also feel like christmas tree di.
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Get a pocket, and when the pocket fills up, get more pockets and a huge pocket to keep your pockets...
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 7 2016, 10:05 PM)
I think he meant a safety strobe, not a photographic one. Like this: https://www.divegearexpress.com/tektite-mul...00-strobe-light
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 7 2016, 10:23 PM)
Too many things to bring along. Will become christmas tree. Now also feel like christmas tree di.
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Don't think got to turn on while normal diving. The strobe will disturb others. Haha.
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 7 2016, 10:33 PM)
Get a pocket, and when the pocket fills up, get more pockets and a huge pocket to keep your pockets...
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When getting into trouble. Definitely will be proud of these pockets. Hahaha.
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 7 2016, 10:33 PM)
Get a pocket, and when the pocket fills up, get more pockets and a huge pocket to keep your pockets...
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When getting into trouble. Definitely will be proud of these pockets. Hahaha.
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pockets pockets pockets,pockets pockets,pockets pockets tongue.gif

the words are beginning to feel very jamais vous and now i dont even know what pockets are... rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 7 2016, 10:48 PM)
Don't think got to turn on while normal diving. The strobe will disturb others. Haha.
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QUOTE(demetrius @ Jul 7 2016, 09:30 PM)
Or lie the sausage flat on the water, and spin it. While blowing away your huge whistle. Choppers are noisy but i guess they wouldn't miss a high pitched whistle? Lol
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Hm you'll need a powerful whistle as well. Haha. My whistle is more compact than powerful. SMB also smaller than usual size. My normal sized one leaking edi hahaha.
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Christmas tree means a lot of things dangling. Not because if lights. Haha.
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That's why wkKay has many pockets like doraemon. tongue.gif
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Hm you'll need a powerful whistle as well. Haha. My whistle is more compact than powerful. SMB also smaller than usual size. My normal sized one leaking edi hahaha.
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 7 2016, 10:33 PM)
Get a pocket, and when the pocket fills up, get more pockets and a huge pocket to keep your pockets...
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Or, just bring a dive bag down. Pocket to hold all pockets.
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jul 8 2016, 01:39 AM)
pockets pockets pockets,pockets pockets,pockets pockets tongue.gif

the words are beginning to feel very jamais vous and now i dont even know what pockets are... rclxub.gif
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They're pockets sewn/glued to the wetsuit, or slipped over in the form of pocket shorts.

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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jul 8 2016, 04:13 AM)
That's why wkKay has many pockets like doraemon. tongue.gif
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Next time I can pull out a packet drink for you too laugh.gif
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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jul 8 2016, 04:12 AM)
Hm you'll need a powerful whistle as well. Haha. My whistle is more compact than powerful. SMB also smaller than usual size. My normal sized one leaking edi hahaha.
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Wanna upgrade and share shipping? Found a storm whistle here for $11, but shipping is $10 sweat.gif
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Next time I can pull out a packet drink for you too laugh.gif
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 8 2016, 01:16 PM)
They're pockets sewn/glued to the wetsuit, or slipped over in the form of pocket shorts.

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i mean i know what they look like i was being playful with the word pockets since they kept making pocket jokes,but thanks for your effort although did you chose scubapro as an example exhibit because i kept mentioning that i prefer scubapro? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 8 2016, 01:18 PM)
Next time I can pull out a packet drink for you too laugh.gif
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Ok. Do I need to pay you in cash? tongue.gif

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Wanna upgrade and share shipping? Found a storm whistle here for $11, but shipping is $10 sweat.gif
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I think MIDE was selling storm whistle for around rm20 or so. Bought one for my friend last year. Shipping $10 so expensive laaa. Aussie no storm whistle meh?
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jul 8 2016, 03:06 PM)
i mean i know what they look like i was being playful with the word pockets since they kept making pocket jokes,but thanks for your effort although did you chose scubapro as an example exhibit because i kept mentioning that i prefer scubapro?  laugh.gif
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No la. If not mistaken, he glued his scubapro pockets to his sharkskin.
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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jul 8 2016, 03:25 PM)
No la. If not mistaken, he glued his scubapro pockets to his sharkskin.
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lol! i mean you cant have too many pockets rigggght? riiiiight? unless... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jul 8 2016, 05:25 PM)
Ok. Do I need to pay you in cash? tongue.gif
I also accept visa, mastercard, and bananas...

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I think MIDE was selling storm whistle for around rm20 or so. Bought one for my friend last year. Shipping $10 so expensive laaa. Aussie no storm whistle meh?
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That's the cheapest local source i found it for... The shop is a 2 hour drive away! So nope not driving there laugh.gif

Was that the original storm or the smaller "windstorm" that you bought for rm20?
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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jul 8 2016, 05:25 PM)
No la. If not mistaken, he glued his scubapro pockets to his sharkskin.
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They are dive rite pockets. Wish i knew about the scubapro ones back then cry.gif they are really good - 5/5 A+++
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 8 2016, 01:42 PM)
Wanna upgrade and share shipping? Found a storm whistle here for $11, but shipping is $10 sweat.gif
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When you coming back? Nak tumpang satu. whistling.gif

On the topic of whistles, you really need to get a good one. New Mares Rovers come equipped with one. But can hardly hear even when the boat is just 20 meters away, its difficult to actually hear the whistle even with the engines off. Good Luck getting a helo to hear that.

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QUOTE(TAGreptiles @ Jul 8 2016, 11:32 PM)
When you coming back? Nak tumpang satu.  whistling.gif

On the topic of whistles, you really need to get a good one. New Mares Rovers come equipped with one. But can hardly hear even when the boat is just 20 meters away, its difficult to actually hear the whistle even with the engines off. Good Luck getting a helo to hear that.
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 8 2016, 06:20 PM)
I also accept visa, mastercard, and bananas...
That's the cheapest local source i found it for... The shop is a 2 hour drive away! So nope not driving there laugh.gif

Was that the original storm or the smaller "windstorm" that you bought for rm20?
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Bananas will do!

I think it was the original. There was only one type sold here in MIDE. We tested it out uw when we were in perhentian last year but also not that loud. I forgotten was it loud enough on the surface haha. Will check again during MIDE this year.
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i bought the Windstorm whistle for Rm50 at Scuba Warehouse. it sounds loud enough, and it even works underwater hehe

Tenggol last Saturday was super - dolphins swimming with the boat, and Mr Whale Shark appeared too! had about ten minutes observing the guy, about 5-6m, they say it's juvenile, there was a bigger one around at the same time.
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i bought the Windstorm whistle for Rm50 at Scuba Warehouse. it sounds loud enough, and it even works underwater hehe

Tenggol last Saturday was super - dolphins swimming with the boat, and Mr Whale Shark appeared too! had about ten minutes observing the guy, about 5-6m, they say it's juvenile, there was a bigger one around at the same time.

Bad thing happened though - my first stage got stuck and i had to do CESA from 10m depth. On inspection, there was a build-up of silicon around the filter or opening of the first stage where it connects to tank. anyone seen this before?

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QUOTE(ericcc @ Jul 11 2016, 08:50 AM)
i bought the Windstorm whistle for Rm50 at Scuba Warehouse. it sounds loud enough, and it even works underwater hehe

Tenggol last Saturday was super - dolphins swimming with the boat, and Mr Whale Shark appeared too! had about ten minutes observing the guy, about 5-6m, they say it's juvenile, there was a bigger one around at the same time.

Bad thing happened though - my first stage got stuck and i had to do CESA from 10m depth. On inspection, there was a build-up of silicon around the filter or opening of the first stage where it connects to tank. anyone seen this before?
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what is first stage do you use? stucked as in harder to breathe yet air still flowing or totally no air? free flow?

do you mean salt deposits build up instead of silicon?
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QUOTE(ericcc @ Jul 11 2016, 08:50 AM)
i bought the Windstorm whistle for Rm50 at Scuba Warehouse. it sounds loud enough, and it even works underwater hehe

Tenggol last Saturday was super - dolphins swimming with the boat, and Mr Whale Shark appeared too! had about ten minutes observing the guy, about 5-6m, they say it's juvenile, there was a bigger one around at the same time.

Bad thing happened though - my first stage got stuck and i had to do CESA from 10m depth. On inspection, there was a build-up of silicon around the filter or opening of the first stage where it connects to tank. anyone seen this before?
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Why you do cesa and not take your buddy reg?
Anyways are you using miflex hose a? I think some people posted before about the inner portion crumbled than block air flow.

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QUOTE(ericcc @ Jul 11 2016, 10:50 AM)
Bad thing happened though - my first stage got stuck and i had to do CESA from 10m depth. On inspection, there was a build-up of silicon around the filter or opening of the first stage where it connects to tank. anyone seen this before?
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How did you tell that it was silicone (instead of something else) ? Did you take photos?
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i did take my buddy's regulator, but then i felt i was taking in water so i went up.

yes there was a lot of hard breathing, fighting current. on the boat we all checked and everyone tasted the stuff, so yea it was silicon and salt and sand. i send my set for service annually. strange... so two things:

1) silicon from some part of my gear

2) It came from inside the tank.
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QUOTE(ericcc @ Jul 11 2016, 09:32 AM)
i did take my buddy's regulator, but then i felt i was taking in water so i went up.

yes there was a lot of hard breathing, fighting current.  on the boat we all checked and everyone tasted the stuff, so yea it was silicon and salt and sand. i send my set for service annually. strange... so two things:

1) silicon from some part of my gear

2) It came from inside the tank.
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I don't think silicon can come from inside the tank into you 1st stage. Theres no opening big enough.

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I don't think silicon can come from inside the tank into you 1st stage. Theres no opening big enough.
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I'm thinking of a scenario where too much silicone lube was applied to the tank valve's threads or o-ring. Then over the course of a year it got dislodged, bounced around in the tank, and finally made its way out of the air outlet.
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cesa from 10m??? wow... that's scary....
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If I'm interested in taking the Open Water course, where's the closest I can go if I'm based in KL? Any where that i can complete the course over the weekend without the need to take leave as my leave allocation is exhausted. Any suggested provider who charges Ok and i can used credit card for payment?
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If I'm interested in taking the Open Water course, where's the closest I can go if I'm based in KL? Any where that i can complete the course over the weekend without the need to take leave as my leave allocation is exhausted. Any suggested provider who charges Ok and i can used credit card for payment?
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Fisrt engage an instructor or dive shop, plenty of them in town. Go to PADI website and locate a nearby PADI dive centre.
Then you will knowledge development (read book + video) on your own pace and then over a few days (doesn't need to be consecutive days) you can do your five confined water sessions in one of the available pools of the said dive shop, finally over a (long) weekend you can go to Tioman or the Terengganu islands to complete your four open water sessions and pass the test and you're certified open water diver.
As for credit card payments you may need to talk to the particular dive centre you'll be engaging with.
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Fisrt engage an instructor or dive shop, plenty of them in town. Go to PADI website and locate a nearby PADI dive centre.
Then you will knowledge development (read book + video) on your own pace and then over a few days (doesn't need to be consecutive days) you can do your five confined water sessions in one of the available pools of the said dive shop, finally over a (long) weekend you can go to Tioman or the Terengganu islands to complete your four open water sessions and pass the test and you're certified open water diver.
As for credit card payments you may need to talk to the particular dive centre you'll be engaging with.
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The East Coast Islands is the closest to KL that one can do the qualifying dives?

Any recommended dive schools which charges fairly?

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The East Coast Islands is the closest to KL that one can do the qualifying dives?

Any recommended dive schools which charges fairly?
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Define fairly.
For me fairly = Good quality but cost more than others.

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Define fairly.
For me fairly = Good quality but cost more than others.
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What's a fair price? I've been quoted from 900 to 1300.
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What's a fair price? I've been quoted from 900 to 1300.
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What's a fair price? I've been quoted from 900 to 1300.
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A friend offred me if I can get 7 people group, mine will be free... haha. Im in day 2 owd today, 1 on 1. Cost about 1k at the backyard of my hometown. Thinking of doing advance tomorrow if possible, since Im still on leave till next monday. You get what you pay, but most importantly your license.. fun can come later.. first experience just too much to handle for some..

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What's a fair price? I've been quoted from 900 to 1300.
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if you are short of time on island, then you will do the theory and pool sessions in town, your cost will be higher.

e.g.
OW at Seamonkey PJ RM 1,200
Island diving RM 400 (not inc transport, lodging, food)

the plus point of this is, you will have a more relaxing time on island, no stress and rush, and wont fall asleep on the manual at night
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QUOTE(Sham903n @ Jul 12 2016, 08:49 AM)
A friend offred me ik1f I can get 7 people group, mine will be free... haha. Im in day 2 owd today, 1 on 1. Cost about 1k at the backyard of my hometown. Thinking of doing advance tomorrow if possible, since Im still on leave till next monday. You get what you pay, but most importantly your license.. fun can come later.. first experience  just too much to handle for some..
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7 ppl group, how many instructors? Cheap might be good, but you're really getting what you pay for, which is just a license but not the lessons behind it. It's like ppl paying for the driving licence, except that this one, your life is at much higher risk if you don't know your stuffs properly
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jul 7 2016, 08:35 PM)
curiosity led me to look up the electric clam,for a moment i thought it might have been a typo and i just LOL-ed

much electrical less clammy   laugh.gif
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The one u posted less electric to none sighting of the electric currents.

Here's one excerpt from Internet, it does have the blue currents.

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I managed to posted the video that I took and uploaded in LYN FB page. Chopped version tho, but you can see the glimpse of the currents, something like the above picture. bit shaky coz the cave quite narrow and few divers move in plus currents swinging us around. Thank goodness no sandstorm.

When the clam detected any external movement such as bubbles, currents or felt being touched or rather harass. The electric line will stop and posed as normal clams. The clam do possessed some electric currents, it will give u a shocks when u touch it. But it wont kill la, the capacity too low but low enough to itch u when u touch it.

The clam is the resident in the dive site: POS2, Menjangan Island, Bali, Indonesia. Depth about 16-18m.
The clam resided in the cave. Spotted quite a few. Big one no longer there.

*hardly any good pictures during these dive trip, due to meikon casing shutter button start irritates me for depth more than 12m and my dive com went crazy again... sweat.gif

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if you are short of time on island, then you will do the theory and pool sessions in town, your cost will be higher.

e.g.
OW at Seamonkey PJ  RM 1,200
Island diving RM 400 (not inc transport, lodging, food)

the plus point of this is, you will have a more relaxing time on island, no stress and rush, and wont fall asleep on the manual at night
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The quote I got was from a Recreational Diver, for 950 all in except for food in Perhentian and transportation to the jetty to get to Perhentian. Staying in a campsite apparently. Was told that I need 4 days, Thursdays to Sunday to get the qualifying dives.

The other one for Rm1300 was one I got from a lady diver in FB. Shop is based in Melaka if I'm not mistaken but has an outlet in KL. All in as well, except for transport to the jetty to get to Perhentian.

Really interested in doing this, my only obstacle at the moment is obtaining leave as I already have a long trip planned for November which requires 13 days leave.

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The quote I got was from a Recreational Diver, for 950 all in except for food in Perhentian and transportation to the jetty to get to Perhentian. Staying in a campsite apparently. Was told that I need 4 days, Thursdays to Sunday to get the qualifying dives.

The other one for Rm1300 was one I got from a lady diver in FB. Shop is based in Melaka if I'm not mistaken but has an outlet in KL. All in as well, except for transport to the jetty to get to Perhentian.

Really interested in doing this, my only obstacle at the moment is obtaining leave as I already have a long trip planned for November which requires 13 days leave.
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Just to let you know that the there is a dive show at the end of this month at PWTC so you might want to check out and get bargain prices.
Otherwise you might just as well rest it until next year when you have more leaves.
There's an old (?) Chinese saying that goes like, 'Time is like cleavage, you have it when you squeeze it'
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Just to let you know that the there is a dive show at the end of this month at PWTC so you might want to check out and get bargain prices.
Otherwise you might just as well rest it until next year when you have more leaves.
There's an old (?) Chinese saying that goes like, 'Time is like cleavage, you have it when you squeeze it'
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Yeah I did read about MIDE this month end. Was thinking of trying to get the Open Water Diver this year if I can because am thinking of going for a Lombok-Komodo sailing trip next year and trying to squeeze in some dives there if possible.
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Yeah I did read about MIDE this month end. Was thinking of trying to get the Open Water Diver this year if I can because am thinking of going for a Lombok-Komodo sailing trip next year and trying to squeeze in some dives there if possible.
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Wow. Honestly might be quite dangerous to go there after open water. Currents are unpredictable there.

Owh did you read about the sunken boat that was going from lombok-komodo-lombok as well? interesting read.

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Wow. Honestly might be quite dangerous to go there after open water. Currents are unpredictable there.

Owh did you read about the sunken boat that was going from lombok-komodo-lombok as well? interesting read.
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The Perama boat? That was a few years back right? Been reading a lot on the trip. Need to make sure I don't go during monsoon season. Still has it's dangers but been something I was looking forward to do.

The one I'm thinking of taking is possibly the Phinisi boat trip with Kencana Adventures and maybe the dive with Dive Komodo, granted if I have the license that is.

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QUOTE(air_mood @ Jul 12 2016, 10:58 AM)
The Perama boat? That was a few years back right? Been reading a lot on the trip. Need to make sure I don't go during monsoon season. Still has it's dangers but been something I was looking forward to do.

The one I'm thinking of taking is possibly the Phinisi boat trip with Kencana Adventures and maybe the dive with Dive Komodo, granted if I have the license that is.
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Not sure how long the post was. I was reading it last month and found it interesting. HAHA.

If you are diving there be aware of the currents there. There are so many different currents that even professionals are wary there.
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QUOTE(Sham903n @ Jul 12 2016, 08:49 AM)
A friend offred me ik1f I can get 7 people group, mine will be free... haha. Im in day 2 owd today, 1 on 1. Cost about 1k at the backyard of my hometown. Thinking of doing advance tomorrow if possible, since Im still on leave till next monday. You get what you pay, but most importantly your license.. fun can come later.. first experience  just too much to handle for some..
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I would like to point out that first experience if very important. A lot of ppl who did not have a good first experience will most likely not continue diving after that.

Also, the basics of scuba diving is very important. We need a good mentor to teach us properly. Not one that cin cai let you pass or don't correct you when needed to, especially in bigger group. 1 instructor to a 2-3 students is still okay. Anything more than that, I wouldn't really recommend.

QUOTE(air_mood @ Jul 12 2016, 10:48 AM)
Yeah I did read about MIDE this month end. Was thinking of trying to get the Open Water Diver this year if I can because am thinking of going for a Lombok-Komodo sailing trip next year and trying to squeeze in some dives there if possible.
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Yes go check out MIDE for good deals and see what the dive centers can work out for you. East coast islands is the best place to learn, nearest to KL but take note of the monsoon seasons. It's already middle of the year now. MIDE packages usually last a year from the time you get it.

And please please don't go to komodo if you are a newbie.
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QUOTE(ukiya @ Jul 12 2016, 09:41 AM)
The one u posted less electric to none sighting of the electric currents.

Here's one excerpt from Internet, it does have the blue currents.

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I managed to posted the video that I took and uploaded in LYN FB page. Chopped version tho, but you can see the glimpse of the currents, something like the above picture. bit shaky coz the cave quite narrow and few divers move in plus currents swinging us around. Thank goodness no sandstorm.

When the clam detected any external movement such as bubbles, currents or felt being touched or rather harass. The electric line will stop and posed as normal clams. The clam do possessed some electric currents, it will give u a shocks when u touch it. But it wont kill la, the capacity too low but low enough to itch u when u touch it.

The clam is the resident in the dive site: POS2, Menjangan Island, Bali, Indonesia. Depth about 16-18m.
The clam resided in the cave. Spotted quite a few. Big one no longer there.

*hardly any good pictures during these dive trip, due to meikon casing shutter button start irritates me for depth more than 12m and my dive com went crazy again...  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Jul 12 2016, 10:48 AM)
Yeah I did read about MIDE this month end. Was thinking of trying to get the Open Water Diver this year if I can because am thinking of going for a Lombok-Komodo sailing trip next year and trying to squeeze in some dives there if possible.
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Be aware of the ITF, Indonesian Throughflow. Currents can be extreme and near impossible for dive.
Best to leave it alone. Around tat path, is where Pacific Ocean meets South Indian Ocean.

QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 12 2016, 11:08 AM)
Not sure how long the post was. I was reading it last month and found it interesting. HAHA.

If you are diving there be aware of the currents there. There are so many different currents that even professionals are wary there.
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Our dives got aborted recently.

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i aint touching no sea critters since that will result in a poisonous bite/sting/rash etc, keep your hands and touchy ideas to yourself.... sweat.gif
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Affirmative. LoLed...

Well, some people do have itchy hand to touch tho to be feel the shock underwater.

When I dived in Crystal Bay recently, DMs said life is more important. When washing machine currents hits u, grab or poke or hook whatever rocks/hard corals u can find near the reef. Avoid the currents pushes u downwards. And its devastating to see many corals damage near the bay and everyone just for the Sun fish.

Water is still warm in Bali. Guess El Nino is not over yet. Last dive 8/Jul registered 27'C. (Last year bout 18'C near August 2015)
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That Komodo dive thing is a bonus probably. But yeah, will heed the advice to only do when I get better. It's the sailing trip that I've been targeting for the past few years.
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Jul 12 2016, 10:58 AM)
The Perama boat? That was a few years back right? Been reading a lot on the trip. Need to make sure I don't go during monsoon season. Still has it's dangers but been something I was looking forward to do.

The one I'm thinking of taking is possibly the Phinisi boat trip with Kencana Adventures and maybe the dive with Dive Komodo, granted if I have the license that is.
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Experience came with more dives. As open water certification primarily teaches you survival skills, you will need more time to build up experience from fun dives, which judging from your lack of free time to do fun dives, I'd probably give diving komodo a second thought. Diving at those sites require minimum advanced open water with drift specialty since the current is unpredictable.

Recently I read an article (via wechat in Chinese) of a Chinese diver with 20 tanks experience diving at Canyons, Puerto Galera, where they encountered with massive down current.

Here are excerpts of the images of the dive comp only, if you can / want to read the article (in Chinese) click here (not sure how long the link will work).

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QUOTE(vmt @ Jul 12 2016, 12:18 PM)
Experience came with more dives. As open water certification primarily teaches you survival skills, you will need more time to build up experience from fun dives, which judging from your lack of free time to do fun dives, I'd probably give diving komodo a second thought. Diving at those sites require minimum advanced open water with drift specialty since the current is unpredictable.

Recently I read an article (via wechat in Chinese) of a Chinese diver with 20 tanks experience diving at Canyons, Puerto Galera, where they encountered with massive down current.

Here are excerpts of the images of the dive comp only, if you can / want to read the article (in Chinese) click here (not sure how long the link will work).

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Definitely agree with all that. As mentioned, my primary has always been that sailing trip for the Komodo Dragons and with luck, maybe snorkeling with manta rays at Manta Point. The view at the viewpoint of Gili Laba is also to die for. During my readings, came across a lot of mentions on how Komodo is possibly one of the best dive spots in the world. Since was thinking of making that particular sailing trip, I thought it would be a great added bonus. But point taken, will probably do it when am better versed with diving. Considering how it's regularly mentioned, thought it's a straightforward thingy.

Anyway, I digress. Need to research and find a schedule to do the Open Water course that would fit my current annual leave situation.
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Anyway, I digress. Need to research and find a schedule to do the Open Water course that would fit my current annual leave situation.
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Theres September. Got a 3d2n long weekend. You could do a KL base pool than island certifying dive kind of dive.

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Strong and dangerous current...... think twice.... but.... thats where all the good stuff are!!!!!

Evan,flora..... mola mola dive also no better rite..... high risk....
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Theres September. Got a 3d2n long weekend. You could do a KL base pool than island certifying dive kind of dive.
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I dove in thailand recently and encountered down current.... it was so strong that bubles were stationary and my reg hose was vibrating!!! Real story...
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QUOTE(DrBarbarian @ Jul 12 2016, 12:34 PM)
Strong and dangerous current...... think twice.... but.... thats where all the good stuff are!!!!!

Evan,flora..... mola mola dive also no better rite.....  high risk....
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QUOTE(DrBarbarian @ Jul 12 2016, 12:38 PM)
I dove in thailand recently and encountered down current.... it was so strong that bubles were stationary and my reg hose was vibrating!!! Real story...
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Where ya?

Flushing down current or just pull u down...?!
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Where ya?

Flushing down current or just pull u down...?!
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Just pull.... i drop deeper couple ft only but was kicking upwards to counter....
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Yea. It is a risk. But got you to protect us so we feel safer. blush.gif  blush.gif
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QUOTE(ukiya @ Jul 12 2016, 12:48 PM)
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erm.... I dunno wat's the same of that place... it's 4 hours boat ride from Koh Lanta.... middle of no where... open sea... dun see any land/island..... go there see mantas and giant marble groupers
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QUOTE(DrBarbarian @ Jul 12 2016, 01:00 PM)
erm.... I dunno wat's the same of that place... it's 4 hours boat ride from Koh Lanta.... middle of no where... open sea... dun see any land/island..... go there see mantas and giant marble groupers
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must be koh bon or koh tachai ... near to Similan islands or Surin Islands

Manta rays usually spotted in Koh Bon and Koh Tachai. What to do!? These giants love to swim in those type of currents...
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But point taken, will probably do it when am better versed with diving. Considering how it's regularly mentioned, thought it's a straightforward thingy.
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QUOTE(DrBarbarian @ Jul 12 2016, 02:38 PM)
I dove in thailand recently and encountered down current.... it was so strong that bubles were stationary and my reg hose was vibrating!!! Real story...
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I got a chance to feel the vibrating hose - surfaced up the wrong buoy and the boat there towed me back to my boat laugh.gif Woke up with sore arms the next day too, from holding on to the jesus rope.

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QUOTE(vmt @ Jul 12 2016, 02:18 PM)
Recently I read an article (via wechat in Chinese) of a Chinese diver with 20 tanks experience diving at Canyons, Puerto Galera, where they encountered with massive down current.

Here are excerpts of the images of the dive comp only, if you can / want to read the article (in Chinese) click here (not sure how long the link will work).
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Water is still warm in Bali. Guess El Nino is not over yet. Last dive 8/Jul registered 27'C. (Last year bout 18'C near August 2015)
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I saw a trip report from Jun 2016... "water was maybe around 26-28 but 10 degrees less in the thermoclines which could last half a dive"
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7 ppl group, how many instructors? Cheap might be good, but you're really getting what you pay for, which is just a license but not the lessons behind it. It's like ppl paying for the driving licence, except that this one, your life is at much higher risk if you don't know your stuffs properly
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Got rescue Diver and dmt diver surrounding me.... i lagi feel safe....
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In case of emergency find the gorilla and hold on to it...
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QUOTE(vmt @ Jul 12 2016, 12:18 PM)
Recently I read an article (via wechat in Chinese) of a Chinese diver with 20 tanks experience diving at Canyons, Puerto Galera, where they encountered with massive down current.

Here are excerpts of the images of the dive comp only, if you can / want to read the article (in Chinese) click here (not sure how long the link will work).

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1m = ascend 50m... It's quite lucky they didnt end up in hyperbaric chambers. Anyway, it happens in the begining of the dive so still ok. But tat was crazily dangerous!


QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 12 2016, 02:22 PM)
I saw a trip report from Jun 2016... "water was maybe around 26-28 but 10 degrees less in the thermoclines which could last half a dive"
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Usually around this season, temp shud be around 23-25'C. But it doesnt this round...
And spotted many white coral. Bleached corals across the islands. I m guess global warming pretty serious this time!

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QUOTE(DrBarbarian @ Jul 12 2016, 02:29 PM)
both rescue and dmt are on gorilla...... smile.gif
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 12 2016, 12:33 PM)
Theres September. Got a 3d2n long weekend. You could do a KL base pool than island certifying dive kind of dive.
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September got 2 long weekends back to back...3 days leave = 9 days off tongue.gif
But I have two non-diving trips planned in September, probably will get a day of compressed air fix during my stopover at KK.
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7 ppl group, how many instructors? Cheap might be good, but you're really getting what you pay for, which is just a license but not the lessons behind it. It's like ppl paying for the driving licence, except that this one, your life is at much higher risk if you don't know your stuffs properly
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Max 4 pax 1 instructor. But my OWD is only my instructor and me only. No group.

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QUOTE(vmt @ Jul 12 2016, 02:55 PM)
September got 2 long weekends back to back...3 days leave = 9 days off  tongue.gif
But I have two non-diving trips planned in September, probably will get a day of compressed air fix during my stopover at KK.
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QUOTE(DrBarbarian @ Jul 12 2016, 12:57 PM)
Got rescue Diver and dmt diver surrounding me.... i lagi feel safe....
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Got rescue diver with >10 years experience better than dmt >2 years tongue.gif

QUOTE(DrBarbarian @ Jul 12 2016, 02:29 PM)
both rescue and dmt are on gorilla...... smile.gif
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Hahaha. Got orange gorilla only. White one monkey only laugh.gif

QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 12 2016, 02:39 PM)
Grab on the white one. Its a seawing! it would give you wings like a Manta~~
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which is preferred...taking bus or driving...from KL to mersing?
at this moment, the bus schedule will be arriving way earlier than ferry depart.

is there safe place to park car there?
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QUOTE(ryansxs @ Jul 12 2016, 04:55 PM)
which is preferred...taking bus or driving...from KL to mersing?
at this moment, the bus schedule will be arriving way earlier than ferry depart.

is there safe place to park car there?
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What time is the ferry?
If you are willing to drive than no problem. There are a few cheap parking places near the. I think RM10 per day or something.
I've taken the bus there and by the time we walked to the jetty and purchased the tickets the ferry was ready to depart.
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 12 2016, 05:01 PM)
What time is the ferry?
If you are willing to drive than no problem. There are a few cheap parking places near the. I think RM10 per day or something.
I've taken the bus there and by the time we walked to the jetty and purchased the tickets the ferry was ready to depart.
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the last bus from here is 6pm, reach there 10pm. ferry next morning 6am. =.=
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QUOTE(ryansxs @ Jul 12 2016, 05:06 PM)
the last bus from here is 6pm, reach there 10pm. ferry next morning 6am. =.=
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Last time I took mine was if not mistaken 12am from TBS. Reach at 4am.
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Wah where you taking from?
Last time I took mine was if not mistaken 12am from TBS. Reach at 4am.
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QUOTE(ryansxs @ Jul 12 2016, 07:06 PM)
the last bus from here is 6pm, reach there 10pm. ferry next morning 6am. =.=
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QUOTE(ryansxs @ Jul 12 2016, 04:55 PM)
which is preferred...taking bus or driving...from KL to mersing?
at this moment, the bus schedule will be arriving way earlier than ferry depart.

is there safe place to park car there?
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12am is sold out
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U buy at tbs? Sometimes there are additional bus at the same time. But need to buy at the bus company website. Not tbs.
last time I go to tbs buy kl to kbr ticket but Full. Then I go to sani website and manage to buy it online. But buy at tbs it is full at 10pm.

So, u can try and check bus company website.

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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 12 2016, 09:19 PM)
U buy at tbs? Sometimes there are additional bus at the same time. But need to buy at the bus company website. Not tbs.
last time I go to tbs buy kl to kbr ticket but Full. Then I go to sani website and manage to buy it online. But buy at tbs it is full at 10pm.

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drive n sleep in the car... easier... and can explore nearby areas...
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QUOTE(ryansxs @ Jul 12 2016, 05:55 PM)
which is preferred...taking bus or driving...from KL to mersing?
at this moment, the bus schedule will be arriving way earlier than ferry depart.

is there safe place to park car there?
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I preferred driving as feel more free but also add a bit tiring. biggrin.gif

Don't worry, the car park there is very safe. many singapore lux cars you will see park there.

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QUOTE(ryansxs @ Jul 12 2016, 04:55 PM)
which is preferred...taking bus or driving...from KL to mersing?
at this moment, the bus schedule will be arriving way earlier than ferry depart.

is there safe place to park car there?
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I prefer drive too, as I took bus before and it was pretty traumatic as the bus driver was driving at super high speeds on trunk roads in the middle of the night. Didn't dare to sleep. ><

Drive is tiring... but at least can swap with friends. biggrin.gif parking not sheltered but it's safe.

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You'll be very tired.. dangerous combo.. driving tired..

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QUOTE(F0F0 @ Jul 13 2016, 06:53 PM)
I don't know is this somewhere I can get help. Recently I take PADI OWD course, but I only given access to Online Manual. Without internet, I can't read on it.

Anyone have pdf version? Apparently mine can't add into PADI Library.
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Can you access the page with internet? Theres no place to download? Never use the online version before. I thought you need to do your theory online too. Including exams.
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QUOTE(F0F0 @ Jul 13 2016, 06:53 PM)
I don't know is this somewhere I can get help. Recently I take PADI OWD course, but I only given access to Online Manual. Without internet, I can't read on it.

Anyone have pdf version? Apparently mine can't add into PADI Library.
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In this case you are paying more for less? I always thought eLearning costs extra compared to manual.
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Gonna do some dives this weekend in conjunction with PADI Womens Dive Day thumbup.gif
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Gonna do some dives this weekend in conjunction with PADI Womens Dive Day thumbup.gif
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Any of u been to Pulau Rawa for diving? unsure.gif
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Are you going to wear a dress?
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We'll see thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(hazelnet @ Jul 15 2016, 12:06 PM)
Any of u been to Pulau Rawa for diving? unsure.gif
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Rawa no diving. Its in Johor. No water sports allowed.

QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 15 2016, 12:51 PM)
I don't have one, EvanSoon can I borrow yours?
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 15 2016, 12:51 PM)
I don't have one, EvanSoon can I borrow yours?
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 15 2016, 01:44 PM)
Rawa no diving. Its in Johor. No water sports allowed.
Mine is with flora. I guess you can try lizzy's
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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jul 15 2016, 01:49 PM)
Evan so fat, you'll be swimming in that dress.
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Please, I skinnier than you. That dress would be too tiny for you!

QUOTE(hazelnet @ Jul 15 2016, 02:14 PM)
They show only, but all water sports ban in Johor seas. I wan go my Pulau Dayang also cannot.
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 15 2016, 02:27 PM)
Please, I skinnier than you. That dress would be too tiny for you!
They show only, but all water sports ban in Johor seas. I wan go my Pulau Dayang also cannot.
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Why bannnnnnnnn???????? cry.gif
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EvanSoon Dei, ada wei for Rawa Island
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QUOTE(hazelnet @ Jul 15 2016, 02:46 PM)
EvanSoon  Dei, ada wei for Rawa Island
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You ask them?
Last year I heard it was ban. cry.gif
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 15 2016, 02:51 PM)
You ask them?
Last year I heard it was ban.  cry.gif
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Ya wei lol

And also check their FB, they did diving recently. Maybe will go on September biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(hazelnet @ Jul 15 2016, 02:54 PM)
Ya wei lol

And also check their FB, they did diving recently. Maybe will go on September biggrin.gif
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Haha. Maybe I should check out Dayang.
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Bo Jio.
Haha. Maybe I should check out Dayang.
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Lai lai, my planning is 9 September till 11 September biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(hazelnet @ Jul 15 2016, 02:59 PM)
Lai lai, my planning is 9 September till 11 September biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 15 2016, 03:19 PM)
Wah during the long weekend. Too bad I might be working. Rawa seems nice.
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Oh die long weekend hmm.gif

Change date laugh.gif
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Hahaa. Why long weekend you change date? Not just nice mer?
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Lai lai, my planning is 9 September till 11 September biggrin.gif
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Wont jam 1 la. Maybe Seremban there jam a bit.
Go Rawa need to go which jetty? Mersing also a?
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Plan diving TT. Yea. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 15 2016, 05:30 PM)
Wont jam 1 la. Maybe Seremban there jam a bit.
Go Rawa need to go which jetty? Mersing also a?
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Pls share some photo.. especially the women diver..
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Everyone looks the same laugh.gif

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Mahu join? Hehe
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 18 2016, 08:06 AM)
That middle lady looks like the pokemon master I keep seeing on my fb feeds.
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Did she catch any water pokemons that day?
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Done OWD & Advance, going to do rescue and dm end of year.. need to rackup dives to 60? Argghh..

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Done OWD & Advance, going to do rescue and dm end of year.. need to rackup dives to 60? Argghh..
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Why do you want to do DM?
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Done OWD & Advance, going to do rescue and dm end of year.. need to rackup dives to 60? Argghh..
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QUOTE(Sham903n @ Jul 18 2016, 06:22 PM)
Done OWD & Advance, going to do rescue and dm end of year.. need to rackup dives to 60? Argghh..
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Get your dives up to 100 before considering to start your dmt. #justsaying
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Why stop at dm?
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Get your dives up to 100 before considering to start your dmt. #justsaying
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same place where I did my OWD/Adv
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Zero to hero package?
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QUOTE(yaniee @ Jul 19 2016, 01:44 PM)
dear sipus...
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QUOTE(yaniee @ Jul 19 2016, 01:45 PM)
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MIDE nak datang dah. Ingat beli BCD ya... icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(TAGreptiles @ Jul 19 2016, 01:46 PM)
MIDE nak datang dah. Ingat beli BCD ya...  icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(TAGreptiles @ Jul 19 2016, 01:46 PM)
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MIDE.... rclxms.gif
Anyone going on first day?
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 19 2016, 02:16 PM)
MIDE....  rclxms.gif
Anyone going on first day?
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Might pull a Yanie and go on day 1.. if not Day 2 and 3 for me.
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QUOTE(imran85 @ Jul 19 2016, 03:03 PM)
Might pull a Yanie and go on day 1.. if not Day 2 and 3 for me.
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what time ? morning evening?
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 19 2016, 03:06 PM)
what time ? morning evening?
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Usually mid day.. then there for the whole day... or till feet hurt too much.
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QUOTE(Sham903n @ Jul 18 2016, 06:22 PM)
Done OWD & Advance, going to do rescue and dm end of year.. need to rackup dives to 60? Argghh..
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Can do 60 dives in a year easily. Sap sap water. Very fast one.

QUOTE(DrBarbarian @ Jul 19 2016, 01:04 PM)
Why stop at dm?
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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jul 19 2016, 03:27 PM)
Can do 60 dives in a year easily. Sap sap water. Very fast one.
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when u want finish dm?
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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jul 19 2016, 03:27 PM)
Can do 60 dives in a year easily. Sap sap water. Very fast one.
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well...a year has 52 weeks if you pull 4 dives a day on say every weekend i suppose 208 isnt so far fetched but isnt that a bit difficult for people far from the sea and like stay in the city center i.e Klang Valley?

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QUOTE(imran85 @ Jul 19 2016, 03:23 PM)
Usually mid day.. then there for the whole day... or till feet hurt too much.
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So we lunch at nandos again?
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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jul 19 2016, 03:27 PM)
Can do 60 dives in a year easily. Sap sap water. Very fast one.
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If you're island based DMT, can easily clock 60 dives a month, even on a slow month.
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QUOTE(imran85 @ Jul 19 2016, 03:03 PM)
Might pull a Yanie and go on day 1.. if not Day 2 and 3 for me.
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QUOTE(Ji3MOON @ Jul 19 2016, 03:43 PM)
So we lunch at nandos again?
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Woi korang pegi Friday keeee
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QUOTE(yaniee @ Jul 19 2016, 03:35 PM)
when u want finish dm?
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Rescue also I belum finish. Hahaha.

QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jul 19 2016, 03:38 PM)
well...a year has 52 weeks if you pull 4 dives a day on say every weekend i suppose 208 isnt so far fetched but isnt that a bit difficult for people far from the sea and like stay in the city center i.e Klang Valley?
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Mabul/Sipadan one trip with unlimited house reef dives can log about 12-15 dives. If you semangat, 1 day 7 dives can do also.

Min 60 log dives a year is about average 1 dive trip each month. Unless you're the super lepak type do maybe 2-3 dives a trip haha.
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QUOTE(TAGreptiles @ Jul 19 2016, 03:44 PM)
If you're island based DMT, can easily clock 60 dives a month, even on a slow month.
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Island based one year 500-700 dive easy easy la hahaha.
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QUOTE(munkeyflo @ Jul 19 2016, 03:46 PM)
Rescue also I belum finish. Hahaha.
Mabul/Sipadan one trip with unlimited house reef dives can log about 12-15 dives. If you semangat, 1 day 7 dives can do also.

Min 60 log dives a year is about average 1 dive trip each month. Unless you're the super lepak type do maybe 2-3 dives a trip haha.
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When u doing rescue. I wanna drown when you go pangsai.
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So we lunch at nandos again?
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