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TSEvanSoon
post Jul 5 2016, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 08:07 PM)
that's more of ego problem?
i think being experienced is that you understand the fundamentals of diving, and given any diving conditions, you are able to properly navigate the best/safest way around it? granted, in some situations, need split second decision making, and some might take the wrong decision, such in the case of the Finland cave divers who died in Norway. are they being careless? 'forget' training?

http://www.vg.no/spesial/2014/dodsdykket/index_eng.php
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Yea. Cos I've seen people who goes "I have 50 dives under my belt so I can dive 60m" *cough* ya*cough*nie *cough*

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post Jul 5 2016, 08:13 PM

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Just like P license driver will normally drive carefully.
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post Jul 5 2016, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 5 2016, 08:11 PM)
Yea. Cos I've seen people who goes "I have 50 dives under my belt so I can dive 60m" *cough* ya*cough*nie *cough*
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post Jul 5 2016, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 07:38 PM)
haha, good point! then again, inexperience divers do it all the time, so they fail as well? that doesn't explain the news that more experienced divers are the ones that are getting into accidents, and not the inexperienced divers
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oh i wasnt implying experienced people are the ones getting into accidents often,im merely pointing out the part where you didnt understand since that does happen tongue.gif
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post Jul 5 2016, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jul 5 2016, 07:58 PM)
To me, an experienced diver is one who has been challenged in many different environments and situations. But even then, he would still be considered inexperienced when put in a new or unfamiliar environment/situation.
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Practical and logical definition. A 1000-dive instructor would still be 'inexperienced' for his first ice dive.

QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 08:07 PM)
i think being experienced is that you understand the fundamentals of diving, and given any diving conditions, you are able to properly navigate the best/safest way around it? granted, in some situations, need split second decision making, and some might take the wrong decision, such in the case of the Finland cave divers who died in Norway. are they being careless? 'forget' training?

http://www.vg.no/spesial/2014/dodsdykket/index_eng.php
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In the end i feel that it's all about risk relative to competency. And competency comes with enough trials in that environment.

Some environments are so technically demanding and complex that missing out just one item from the checklist can be fatal.
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post Jul 5 2016, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(demetrius @ Jul 5 2016, 09:13 PM)
Practical and logical definition. A 1000-dive instructor would still be 'inexperienced' for his first ice dive.
In the end i feel that it's all about risk relative to competency. And competency comes with enough trials in that environment.

Some environments are so technically demanding and complex that missing out just one item from the checklist can be fatal.
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that's why i'll never do cave diving. dark and nothing to see.....and all the added complexity and dangers to it...

ice diving, on the other hand..could be pretty exciting. dry suit will be a new experience of course
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post Jul 5 2016, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 09:15 PM)
that's why i'll never do cave diving. dark and nothing to see.....and all the added complexity and dangers to it...

ice diving, on the other hand..could be pretty exciting. dry suit will be a new experience of course
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Yea me neither. And tec-diving as well. Too troublesome for that extra few meters of depth.

I'd go for freediving. Not part of scuba but i like the concept of a minimalist dive, which, given enough practice, can actually improve your skills and efficiency in scuba.
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post Jul 5 2016, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(demetrius @ Jul 5 2016, 09:23 PM)
Yea me neither. And tec-diving as well. Too troublesome for that extra few meters of depth.

I'd go for freediving. Not part of scuba but i like the concept of a minimalist dive, which, given enough practice, can actually improve your skills and efficiency in scuba.
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i dont mind doing some free-diving as well...just that need to buy extra full foot fins. i'm a swimmer, and i can did 10m without fins before. but touch and go only la...and that is no where near proper free diving as i'm not really relaxed and doing the vertical swim down.

then again, much nicer just doing a slow drift dive through amazing corals and fish!
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QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 09:15 PM)
that's why i'll never do cave diving. dark and nothing to see.....and all the added complexity and dangers to it...

ice diving, on the other hand..could be pretty exciting. dry suit will be a new experience of course
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i digress tongue.gif the fun of cave diving is to explore and map cave networks. well its still beyond me as of now but what i think cave diving distilled is about ambiguity which is part of the adventure. although i can understand its not everyones cup of tea or coffee for you coffee lovers out there so ner ner tongue.gif
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post Jul 5 2016, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jul 5 2016, 02:48 PM)
well...its hard isnt it? its the "you cant get the best of both worlds syndrome" ......you either really get to give more than you can take  sad.gif
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Well... Yeah.
Unlike in Malaysia, u get warm surface and warm water.
And Hokkaido, u get colder surface and icy cold water.

QUOTE(demetrius @ Jul 5 2016, 04:22 PM)
Where go?
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Bali... Doing whole island safari tomorrow.
Secret Bay - Manjangan - Permuteran - Tulamben - Seraya - Melasti - Amed - Crystal Bay - Blue Corner - Manta Point

The main challenge is in:
Pulau Manjangan, open Java Sea.
Crystal Bay, Nusa Penida, famous for washing machine currents and Mola2.
Blue Corner, crazy current side, last visit... Many pelagic... Open Sea...

^ above dive site, water can be very cold about 16'C especially in Nusa Penida and Manjangan where thermocline is present.

Hopefully can spot this:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


QUOTE(blackwhitechipsKL @ Jul 5 2016, 09:15 PM)
that's why i'll never do cave diving. dark and nothing to see.....and all the added complexity and dangers to it...

ice diving, on the other hand..could be pretty exciting. dry suit will be a new experience of course
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I done both.
Cave dive ... scary. I dont like it. Always remember inside the cave, stay calm and breathe casually.
Those with Tunnel Vision or "Forget the Term", not really encourage to do cave dive so much unless challenge is your cup of tea!
("Forget the Term" there's one term being said about some divers will only focus one point and stress with it, eventually it will cause panic. Is in the PADI DM and Rescue Syllabus. hahhaha, just not in my brain now for tat word) any1 wanna help!? hmm.gif

Ice dive, wow a very good experienced!! Done it earlier this year in Hokkaido, Sea of Okhotsk.
How you wear a dry suit, pump in air la, how to control buoyancy la, how you cut triangle on the ice surface, why do not cut round shape or square shape etc... Follow the rope la...
Cannot go so deep, later equipment freeze la. Cannot dive so long also. Many hazards, hypothermia everything...

Go in ... spotted Sea Angel and come out. Damage about RM250 - 300/dive. Bottom time less than 20 minutes and not exceeding 12 meters . Like having DSD. Water Temp was about 4'C -5'C. Surface about -8'C to -12'C...

This post has been edited by ukiya: Jul 5 2016, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE(ukiya @ Jul 5 2016, 09:45 PM)
Well... Yeah.
Unlike in Malaysia, u get warm surface and warm water.
And Hokkaido, u get colder surface and icy cold water.
Bali... Doing whole island safari tomorrow.
Secret Bay - Manjangan - Permuteran - Tulamben - Seraya - Melasti - Amed - Crystal Bay - Blue Corner - Manta Point
I done both.
Cave dive ... scary. I dont like it. Always remember inside the cave, stay calm and breathe casually.
Those with Tunnel Vision or "Forget the Term", not really encourage to do cave dive so much unless challenge is your cup of tea!

Ice dive, wow a very good experienced!! Done it earlier this year in Hokkaido, Sea of Okhotsk.
How you wear a dry suit, pump in air la, how to control buoyancy la, how you cut triangle on the ice surface, why do not cut round shape or square shape etc... Follow the rope la...
Cannot go so deep, later equipment freeze la. Cannot dive so long also. Many hazards, hypothermia everything...

Go in ... spotted Sea Angel and come out. Damage about RM250 - 300/dive. Bottom time less than 20 minutes and not exceeding 12 meters . Like having DSD. Water Temp was about 4'C -5'C. Surface about -8'C to -12'C...
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aaaaaand in Tokyo Bay you get lukewarm water tongue.gif well i guess theres Chiba prefecture like its practically next door with nice scenic beaches laugh.gif

additional because the heatwave is ongoing now and its sort of gotten to my head 35C doh.gif

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post Jul 5 2016, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(ukiya @ Jul 5 2016, 09:45 PM)
Bali... Doing whole island safari tomorrow.
Secret Bay - Manjangan - Permuteran - Tulamben - Seraya - Melasti - Amed - Crystal Bay - Blue Corner - Manta Point
I done both.
Cave dive ... scary. I dont like it. Always remember inside the cave, stay calm and breathe casually.
Those with Tunnel Vision or "Forget the Term", not really encourage to do cave dive so much unless challenge is your cup of tea!

Ice dive, wow a very good experienced!! Done it earlier this year in Hokkaido, Sea of Okhotsk.
How you wear a dry suit, pump in air la, how to control buoyancy la, how you cut triangle on the ice surface, why do not cut round shape or square shape etc... Follow the rope la...
Cannot go so deep, later equipment freeze la. Cannot dive so long also. Many hazards, hypothermia everything...

Go in ... spotted Sea Angel and come out. Damage about RM250 - 300/dive. Bottom time less than 20 minutes and not exceeding 12 meters . Like having DSD. Water Temp was about 4'C -5'C. Surface about -8'C to -12'C...
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Wow. Safari haha.

Can you slow down on your diving and come share a bit during TT. Lol
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jul 5 2016, 09:50 PM)
aaaaaand in Tokyo Bay you get lukewarm water tongue.gif well i guess theres Chiba prefecture like its practically next door with nice scenic beaches  laugh.gif

additional because the heatwave is ongoing now and its sort of gotten to my head 35C doh.gif
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Going to dive Okinawa Japan next year. Trying to figure out how to get to Yonaguni dive site. The mystical underwater structures!
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post Jul 5 2016, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(demetrius @ Jul 5 2016, 09:53 PM)
Wow. Safari haha.

Can you slow down on your diving and come share a bit during TT. Lol
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Been busy... during TT... Missed few rounds edy!

After this safari, will be doing Whale Sharks Dreamland and Manta Ray in a school of 100 - 200 swimming in a vortex.
However, diving was banned in the dive site since long ago. Now only can do snorkeling. Probably avoid divers being banged by the gentle giants! Will still do diving around the island, just the particular site is not permitted to dive during this season.

Location: Hanifaru Bay, Maldives.

Doing land base this round - Kihaad. Diving Trip as well in early August 2016!

This post has been edited by ukiya: Jul 5 2016, 09:58 PM
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QUOTE(ukiya @ Jul 5 2016, 09:54 PM)
Going to dive Okinawa Japan next year. Trying to figure out how to get to Yonaguni dive site. The mystical underwater structures!
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well you might as well start watching the mercury rising~xD
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QUOTE(KiraTomaru @ Jul 5 2016, 09:57 PM)
well you might as well start watching the mercury rising~xD
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Still planning for it... Going into Yonaguni seems a bit challenging to me and ain't cheap too...
Was planning for early months of the year around March or April where whales and hammerheads are common in that area. Mana tahu, Air Asia zero fair no promo. So go summer see see n look look...

Whales I'll be visit this November in NZ.
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QUOTE(EvanSoon @ Jul 5 2016, 08:11 PM)
Yea. Cos I've seen people who goes "I have 50 dives under my belt so I can dive 60m" *cough* ya*cough*nie *cough*
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Who? Sure yaniee mad.gif vmad.gif ranting.gif
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QUOTE(TAGreptiles @ Jul 5 2016, 10:07 PM)
Who? Sure yaniee mad.gif  vmad.gif  ranting.gif
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Woiii i baru 5 dives aje. Jgn tipu tipu
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QUOTE(ukiya @ Jul 5 2016, 09:45 PM)
Well... Yeah.
Unlike in Malaysia, u get warm surface and warm water.
And Hokkaido, u get colder surface and icy cold water.
Bali... Doing whole island safari tomorrow.
Secret Bay - Manjangan - Permuteran - Tulamben - Seraya - Melasti - Amed - Crystal Bay - Blue Corner - Manta Point

The main challenge is in:
Pulau Manjangan, open Java Sea.
Crystal Bay, Nusa Penida, famous for washing machine currents and Mola2.
Blue Corner, crazy current side, last visit... Many pelagic... Open Sea...

^ above dive site, water can be very cold about 16'C especially in Nusa Penida and Manjangan where thermocline is present.

Hopefully can spot this:
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

I done both.
Cave dive ... scary. I dont like it. Always remember inside the cave, stay calm and breathe casually.
Those with Tunnel Vision or "Forget the Term", not really encourage to do cave dive so much unless challenge is your cup of tea!
("Forget the Term" there's one term being said about some divers will only focus one point and stress with it, eventually it will cause panic. Is in the PADI DM and Rescue Syllabus. hahhaha, just not in my brain now for tat word) any1 wanna help!?  hmm.gif

Ice dive, wow a very good experienced!! Done it earlier this year in Hokkaido, Sea of Okhotsk.
How you wear a dry suit, pump in air la, how to control buoyancy la, how you cut triangle on the ice surface, why do not cut round shape or square shape etc... Follow the rope la...
Cannot go so deep, later equipment freeze la. Cannot dive so long also. Many hazards, hypothermia everything...

Go in ... spotted Sea Angel and come out. Damage about RM250 - 300/dive. Bottom time less than 20 minutes and not exceeding 12 meters . Like having DSD. Water Temp was about 4'C -5'C. Surface about -8'C to -12'C...
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Wao.... Cool.... Do you have a series of your diving documentary, videos on any blog or..?
Sure it will be interesting for everyone here. Hehe.


This post has been edited by kentmeng: Jul 5 2016, 11:58 PM
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QUOTE(kentmeng @ Jul 5 2016, 11:18 PM)
Wao.... Cool.... Do you have a series of your diving documentary, videos on any blog or..?
Sure it will be interesting for everyone here. Hehe.
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I do posted some of my "dive logs" in LYN FB page. But after few, I m getting lazy. hahhaaha... U still can go there and look for my old logs biggrin.gif

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