Up to you. I gentleman follow your time.

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.. uh huh...

Seriously... I do not enjoy diving in cold water! >,<'

Y so cold in water and super hot on surface!?

Or in other way, remove your bcd. Your body itself is naturally bouyant, which is why I always say, if you use a backplate, you have to be very comfortable with it, which means you're not the panicky type of diver, or still very new to diving.

New divers, or those prone to panic, stay with normal jacket style bcd and weight belts so that others can assist you.

Remove BCD on surface and hug your SMB.
I am not a panicky kind of diver but I am too chill. Which I think is kind of a problem too. haha

well...its hard isnt it? its the "you cant get the best of both worlds syndrome" ......you either really get to give more than you can take

Not sure what difference it would make in such a situation if one bcd is jacket style and the other is backplate style, can you elaborate?

almost everyone is trained and certified with a jacket BCD, thus more familiar with the usage. backplates on the other hand, requires different removal style, so your buddy may not be able to assist you

also, with most jackets, you wear a weight belt, so if you remove BCD, you will sink fast, which is why in training and exam, they teach you to remove weight belt first, so you will instantly be positive. with backplate and not wearing a weight belt, removing BCD will make you positive bouyant.

Now this is incorrect. When purchasing you always take into consideration of the amount of lift the bladder in your donut gives. You should make sure it would be able to keep you afloat when fully inflated.
In rescue(actually in OW also) you learn that it is important to understand you buddy's gears and how to remove before even being in a dive. Plus as a diver it is good to understand different type of gears too and how to use them. That is why we always talk about gears during TT and if anyone is willing to bring it along for others to view n learn.

Where go?

Is positive buoyant good while emergency happen?
I just imagine that if I'm at positive buoyant, I will hard to control my ascend speed.
It was dangerous if emergency happen and panic and just wanted to get to surface.

if I'm in unconscious. then maybe..

i think there are many things that influences a purchase, and checking the lift of a bladder is really, imho, one of the lowest factor for casual divers. note, i use casual divers, who is probably the biggest group of divers. also, how many actually do buddy checks and learn how to remove before dive? yes, i agree this should be a set routine and stuffs, but honestly, most don't. they'll most probably just check air is open, everything is in place and working.

what you are mentioning is probably what should be done, and what is right way of doing things, but in reality, it's not. hardcore divers do that, cos they are passionate about their equipment. I do it as well. i do comparisons of bcd versus others in the market, what features it have, what ease of use it offers, etc...but most people...i like the BCD....i had a friend who bought Oxcheq just because the bladder comes in red...no other reason

Situation I'm thinking here is if the bladder punctures or the inflator elbow breaks... then you'd lose buoyancy from it. If you have no backup buoyancy, then byebye gotta ditch it.

Is better to have a dive trip?

That's possible, although I haven't seen anyone like that. What I see more often though, are new divers who dive wayyy overweighted, having never learned proper weighting/breathing/descent/hover technique... when they could be enjoying so much more if their instructors had taught them that from the beginning

This post has been edited by wKkaY: Jul 5 2016, 04:43 PM

ok, i think i understand from Evan's point of view on why he talks about bladder lift and why he disagree with removing BCD (for backplate). i guess in emergency situation, you need lift. for jackets, most are neutral or positive bouyant inherently, and air in the jacket will definitely make it positive. for backplate, it should be inherently neutral without air, although for steel plate, cos be slight negative. now, add the tanks to it, and you're about 2kg negative.

so yeah, when bladder is puncture or can't be inflated, you need immediate lift, so removing BCD (for backplate) will be best, and ditching weights for Jackets will be best

Positive buoyancy is good when you are on the surface of the water. Not while you are underwater. When underwater we emphasis on controlled ascend.

I consider myself a casual diver and I find that these information are important. I would prefer to provide people with these information than to just say "hey just follow what everyone does". As a group we always try to educate and share unless you know, some people's cup are already full and can't take in any advise we give.

Now I know we don't really do buddy checking but I think it would be good to make a culture to check you buddy's equipment at least once. I mean I wouldn't get angry at anyone approaching me asking about my gear.

Lets not go with the norm, lets go with safety.

Blader puncture already of course ditch, it would be dead weight. But if no puncture a BCD (like Number's cavlar Oxycheq) is a good life jacket.

No one wanna organize. Haha

agree with you, should always spread the safety message. too many ppl in the world with herd mentality, doing things without knowing why they need to do it.

Should be more than that. My aluminum BPW is -2.0kg in water with air sucked out. Regs another -1.5kg. AL80 tank between -1.0kg to +1.8kg depending how spent it is. Total -4.5kg with full tank.

To offset that, there's wetsuit +x kg, body +x kg.

This post has been edited by wKkaY: Jul 5 2016, 05:06 PM