Why Do WoWers Confuse

It seems that alot of WOWers misunderstood why tmnet ping is so high to wow.

It is not due to sucky international traffic, not due to sucky tmnet routing, AND NOTHING to do with distance(but it does on a very small scale).

Also it has nothing to do with tmnet limiting your bandwidth.

Its is due to Bandwidth throttling introduced "Smartly by tmnet" since 2003.

Fact 1 : Bandwidth throttling Does not "LIMIT" your download speed.
Fact 2 : Bandwidth throttling Does not "BLOCK" you from international users *hence* p2p

What Bandwidth throttling does is a method of ensuring a bandwidth intensive device, such as a server, will limit ("throttle") the quantity of data it transmits and/or accepts within a specified period of time. Bandwidth throttling helps provide quality of service (QoS) by limiting network congestion and server crashes.
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In Layman terms, It is slowing each packet down and put it in a queue to be sent to international links, Therefore increasing the "Response Time" we get when connecting overseas.

Why diffrent ip have diffrent ping times you asked.

Each set of ip "usually" have a set allocated international bandwidth for them. If that set of ip have more bandwidth OR in some cases LESS P2P users, They will have less Response time due to the fact that the packet takes less queue to be transmitted out.


Okay What happens if theres no throttling?

There will be a degration of service and alot of timeouts. This is when you guys start to whine about lousy tmnet service with timeouts but less lag

This is Unthrottled ping times to wow using a 2.0 M package



OR Do you want this throttled 1.0 M package



This post has been edited by ShaderX: Jan 17 2007, 10:54 AM

I'm sure there is a bandwidth cap since 4 days ago. It didn't work like this before. I used to play WoW and use BitTorrent at the same time without having any lag. Now, I can't do that anymore.

Although Taiwan Earthquake damaged 8 undersea fibre optic cables before and it is being repaired, there was no bandwidth cap for TMNet before.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Jan 14 2007, 07:19 PM

Wow needs about 2 kb/s constant transfer and maby 5 - 10 during raid which is absolutely low if they want to cap it till that point.

All they did is put "Again!" Bandwidth throttling to the newly rerouted routes

Another problem with TMNet is, all dynamic IP range is different.

219.95.xxx.xxx lags 24/7
218.111.xxx.xxx doesn't lag until today
219.94.xxx.xxx and 218.201.xxx.xx is inbetween those 2 above but it doesn't lag today

All of them got their bandwidth capped still.

This post has been edited by TristanX: Jan 14 2007, 07:25 PM

Edited for diffrent ip. Explained also.

So...will WoW always be rubbish now then?

unless p2p user suddenly die of a plauge or tm stop throttling or they buy more bandwidth yeah.. wow will be rubbish

I can't believe that they would punish online gamers for geniune usage! Something must be done, how dare they punish us for BT usage, its damned right disgraceful!

I will drop streamyx in a second if thats true. I will pay for 3g rather than throw my money down the toilet!

Dude... there is just not enough international bandwidth to go around.

IF they have the bandwidth, they wont even bother throttling.

Okay. If u dont like throttle theres 2 option.

1 ) Throttle my bandwidth and give me high pings but not timeouts

OR

2 ) Dont throttle my bandwidth and give me low pings but timeouts

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This is unthrottled ping times to wow using a 2.0 M package



OR Do you want this "throttled" 1.0 M package



This post has been edited by ShaderX: Jan 14 2007, 09:14 PM

OR, how about, state no BT usage allowed, and f'ing enforce it! Don't slow MY service coz u can't be bothered to enforce! Fine's, jail time, whatever, make the CRIMINALS suffer, not genuine users!!!!!

Bt users are genuine as well. They pay money to download thier p2p stuff let aside legal or not.

The only way to have a "WIN WIN" situation is that tmnet purchase ALOT of extra bandwidth Which i doubt will ever happen.

That's Why i say enforce, yes there are geniune users, if they notice a trend like 24/7 p2p usage, then investigate. I pay to play, not pay for others to abuse the system!

Rubbish!

If you can't provide a service, move on and let somebody else.

This post has been edited by arisomar: Jan 14 2007, 09:35 PM

All they can do now is..

Take Off the Damn UNLIMITED BANDWIDTH Advertisment.

If they put limited bandwidth the p2p users WONT 24/7 but us wowers will still be able to play normally and still download p2p stuff

Once you are throttled, your WoW experience is a goner even if its not p2p but only xml data streams packet as most have told me. I used to be able to play BWL suppression room with noticeable lag yet downloading 80kbps.

ping times and amount of data sent is different

even u download 2xxkb/s your ping will not be different

i think this should be stickied

The amount of data does affect your ping if your bandwidth is capped. Currently, the bandwidth cap is around 10kb/sec when it comes to certain locations outside Asia. If you download or upload something on that capped link that is the same as WoW at the cap limit, it will cause WoW to lag or disconnect. That's why WoW will lag or disconnect when it comes to raids.

If it is capped... we have no prove that tm caps us ...

I can dl simultaneously on diff international peers at around 10 - 60 kb/s which is very very unstable.

I already tested it over and over again. Certain downloads or BitTorrent that is above 10kb/sec download causes me to disconnect or lag on Illidan.

is there a solid proof??? why u say so?