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post Feb 7 2020, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Feb 7 2020, 03:15 PM)
Actually not just on the corporate side, majority of US households also got issues, not going to elaborate more as I
Just my 2cents. DYODD
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There may be issues with certain economic date like manufacturing and debt but that hasn't been great for a few years already.

Is the 10-year Treasury yield giving warning signs, maybe?

The issue like it has always been is economic data is a lagging indicator and trying to use that to make a decision on a leading indicator will always cause an issue.

LVMH, Alibaba, Google, Microsoft , Amazon, Apple and Facebook announced in recent quarters record revenue. The day that stops happening and those stocks still go up is when I personally will get worried.

Also the VIX is still around 15 and not 12 even at record highs which at least to me tells the markets still isn't fully complacent

QUOTE(moosset @ Feb 7 2020, 06:22 PM)
so the advice is, we should keep 60% in cash for now?
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Depends on your timeframe

If you are a short term trader then raising cash is good but if you are in it for the long term then that amount of cash will cause underperformance compared to the index.

Maybe rebalance or raise a bit of cash so you can buy stuff when it goes down and put your mind at ease


If you are the ones that believe in EMH then your probably know what you should do...
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post Feb 13 2020, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Feb 9 2020, 03:54 AM)
Any examples of good dividend portfolios?
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The Dividend Aristocrats etf might be a good start which only includes companies that have paid a dividend for the past 25 years and raised it each year too

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https://etfdb.com/etf/NOBL/#holdings




QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Feb 13 2020, 01:53 PM)
US govt is racking up a deficit of USD97 billion a month

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/12/us-deficit-...-past-year.html

That's more than a trillion dollars deficit pa.

And the banks are buying this debts, and the Fed is buying from the banks. Basically it's money creation out of thin air.

N where do this money end up... S&P500..
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It is a problem all over the the world

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Greece still does not even have an investment grade rating on their bonds

In the end of the day as long as Central bankers keep rescuing markets and if investors have holding power then this can continue for a bit
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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Feb 24 2020, 09:57 AM)
Ok, now you know why I said I am new to these instruments...thanks for the reminder  sweat.gif

I  need to keep myself occupied while looking for opportunities (now back to 90% cash position after profit taking), so maybe this should interesting to explore.
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These two sites do a good job in explaining some of the basics

When I started with options they helped a lot.
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If you are looking for videos then TD Ameritrade has a good education section
The demo account worked when trying to access the videos.


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Market slowly pricing two rate cuts and the PBOC continues their stimulus that has lead to the Shanghai Composite to be barely down even today

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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Feb 25 2020, 10:03 AM)
Many thanks for the reference, I will read and digest.    thumbsup.gif

Yes, the US market was red and risk off as the reality of the impacts of the virus start to sink in (otherwise to them, it's just another 'flu') But what 'flu' will cause disruptions to global supply chains, travel bans, lockdowns, social isolation etc ?

Btw, I read earlier that Fed plans to  taper off QE by Q2, but I think they might continue to pump given the market situation now. Let's see..
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Yeah
They have already said they are reducing their repo operations for next month but I am still watching the balance sheet.

The FED balance sheet hasn't moved much since the start of the year after their mega run from October. They update it only once a week unfortunately.



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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 3 2020, 01:03 AM)
anyone into energy stocks?

looks very very beaten up.

10 yr low or something...

opec expected to cut production.

hence the 5% crude price rise this session.

re-entered XLE after a long break.

will see what happens next...
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Good to see you are back

Oil for now at least seems to be taking a taking a cue form the equity markets.

Was on track for a proper bounce till equities turned lower.

I personally took a chance on Kinder Morgan as I feel it has a bit more margin of safety with the upside caped but have stop-loss order in place in case it turns again.



QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 3 2020, 10:32 AM)
It won't die. It just transition. That's why the oil and gas companies have hand in electric vehicle charging, renewable energies.

Don't forget no renewable energy can heat up house in winter completely.
Poor countries like south east Asia,  India, Africa still relay on oil.
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Yes oil may not die and demand is suppose to grow but finding incremental buyers is the problem as institutional buyers are focused on ESG and whether that is a fad is a story for another day

Oil has only worked as a trade for the past two years

That is the reason NextEra Energy which is a utility that is involved in renewable trades at 33 P/E while ExxonMobil trades at 17 P/E.

Are both irrational?
Probably but in the end of the day we have to setup our portfolio for the best outcome based on our own objectives and price rarely lies in the long run


QUOTE(markedestiny @ Mar 3 2020, 07:58 PM)
Yes, the CBs are taking over the role of WHO to address the spread of the virus so that we don't have supply and demand interruptions...

Edit typo
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Don't forget it is election year and markets are choppy unless we are sure the incumbent wins and COVID-19 has added uncertainly to that and disrupted what would probably been a sure win

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post Mar 7 2020, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Mar 7 2020, 12:29 PM)
What a wild roller coaster... It closed almost the same price as last Friday.
All calls sold didn't even get exercised. Get to keep them again.. sold PUTs all expired worthless this week.  thumbup.gif
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VIX finally went past 50 and failed to close above 50. Hopefully it doesn't plunge and leads to less implied volatility

QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Mar 7 2020, 02:30 PM)
Not everything is about money. China is building its strategic oil reserves in case of war.
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Yup, US also has the same thing.

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 7 2020, 06:54 PM)
Not sure china made a loss or not. All I know is saudi is the one making huge losses. Why do you think  they IPOing Aramco? Their kingdom was in pretty bad shape because of their decision to try to fight US shale.
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Saudi average cost is around $3 so that isn't their main worry. Quite smart of them to have listed Aramco as they can now use the cash for future acquisitions or other stuff if needed during what could potential be a price war.

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The problem comes from being unable to meet their budgets and lifestyle choices


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post Mar 8 2020, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(oOoproz @ Mar 8 2020, 08:31 PM)
New York declares state of emergency over coronavirus outbreak

I wonder what will open on Monday Opening, this is just the start  hmm.gif
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OPEC+ not helping either

Saudi Aramco shares fall below IPO price for first time, Gulf stocks plummet after OPEC deal failure
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Mar 14 2020, 06:40 PM)
trump declared emergency funds, rebound big time... call it distortion or twist or positive, whatever...

the fact is worldwide this covid19 thingy isn't going away just like that.

since a cat has 9 lives, two lived, maybe we will see another 7 waves of monster yo-yo's. laugh.gif
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True

ETF market in certain sectors still having big issues especially for those holding illiquid assets and they have sold these ETF's at whatever price they could get.

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post Mar 15 2020, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 15 2020, 10:22 AM)
I already got. Last Friday. Double what amanah saham can give me. Will add some more.

Later will buy Starbucks, mcd, Brookfield and family if they are priced cheaply.
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Are you talking about Brookfield (alternative asset management company)?

If that is the case any reason why as most of their stocks are structured as partnership which means certain fund can't hold them.

KKR and Carlyle Group had the same problem before they switched to C-corp and finally realized their true value.

I definitely agree Brookfield has really good assets as I used to own them but due to their structure they lagged their true value

QUOTE(markedestiny @ Mar 15 2020, 06:17 PM)
Something is not right with this market, why safe haven such as gold still selloff together with equities?

I know there could be margin calls which led to some investors liquidating their gold, any other explanation besides this?

Edit typo.
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Gold generally goes down in a crisis ( same thing happen in 08 before it went to an all time high)

Gold is great for insolvency cycle but not illiquidity cycle

Also a lot of central banks added gold for the past two years so I would not be surprised if they are selling some


Also the risk parity trade got hid badly this week:

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Dalio caught flat-footed with big losses at Bridgewater fund
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“We did not know how to navigate the virus and chose not to because we didn't think we had an edge in trading it. So, we stayed in our positions and in retrospect we should have cut all risk,” Mr Dalio said in a statement to the Financial Times. 

“We’re disappointed because we should have made money rather than lost money in this move the way we did in 2008.” 

Interesting to see even Ray Dalio underestimate the current downturn

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 11 2020, 07:00 PM)
i think the guy meant "50% from peak" - u can do the math.
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only during a turn in the markets all these people are suddenly so eager to share their views....


Oil majors can't continue this action for long unless they expect oil to go back to 70....

Oil majors paid $216 billion more to shareholders than they earned directly from business over the past decade

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All told, these five companies generated $340 billion in free cash flows from 2010 through 2019, while rewarding their shareholders with $556 billion in share buybacks and dividends—leaving a $216 billion cash flow deficit that these companies covered with other sources, including new borrowing and asset sales. In other words, over the last decade, these five companies covered only 61 percent of their shareholder payouts from free cash flows, while funding 39 percent of those payouts by other means.


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QUOTE(yok70 @ Apr 16 2020, 01:04 AM)
I read that USO is good for short term tracing of WTI, but not good for long term because "the fund may experience contango when rolling the futures contracts, which is unfavorable for long-term investors."
Wondering if there is any ETF good to trace crude oil long term?

* Crude Oil May 20 (CL=F) now down 0.75%, but USO down 6.1%. Quite different.

SPY and VOO do not have the above "rolling contracts" issue? Good for long term?

Thank you teachers here!  notworthy.gif
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Yes

Good job

WTI is currently in contango and has negative roll yield

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They usually roll over the contract at the start of the month:

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Basically what happens is they have to sell a lower contract to buy a higher price contract and that will definitely have an effect to the price of USO especially during their rollover days.

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Right now there isn't one that that doesn't have this problem but like Icehart said the USL is better but take note they also do monthly roll so if the contango gets worse then that will have issues too

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 16 2020, 07:01 PM)
everyone is watching for unemployment data pre-opening.

if actual is better than expected, will see a rally!
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For now at least it is how many is unemployed but who are and whether they are getting benefits


JP Morgan
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it looks like 30% or 40% of people going unemployment but higher income than before they went on unemployment.


This last till July for now
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According to data obtained by PolitiFact, at the national level, unemployment covers about half of a person’s wages at up to $450 a week, which comes out to about $225 a week.

“So, a person who normally earns $450 would receive $225 in regular unemployment benefits, plus the $600 bonus, or $825 a week  – more than their regular pay. That’s about $21 per hour,” PolitiFact reported.

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Apr 16 2020, 10:16 PM)
Yes, that's just ridiculous. So, those lower wage earners in US benefited the most here.

The system would just encourage them to stay unemployed for now.

It's better still for those who are just furlough.. but not completely layoff.
When their company resumes operation, they get called back to work.
During this time, it just one big giant 2-3 months PAID holiday PLUS...

They're getting extra $1200 from IRS per single individual, $2400 per couple plus $500 for every child as one time.

AND....US congress is proposing $2000/month for the next 6 months...   doh.gif
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Yeah and there were so much complains about Bernie Sanders but I personally feel it is to hide to huge corporate socialism that is going on.

They are going to buy fallen angel bonds which makes no sense even with the excuse of saving the company because what happens next year when they need more help and no one is there and then the staff needs to be cut

Australia went one better:

The federal government will pay eligible employers $1,500 per fortnight for each eligible worker, about 70% of the national median wage.


This will last for 6 months and they didn't say if things improve in Australia then they would stop the payment temporarily. So those eligible for the next 6 months would get the payments and I am not sure what will be the motivation to work more.

QUOTE(Raymond_ACCA @ Apr 16 2020, 11:03 PM)
Yep.. but still have to look at industry specific. Energy, travel, and banks haven't recovered as strong since March lows. I still believe Tech is still wayyyy overvalued. Exited Tech positions this week. Hope I did not make a mistake  bruce.gif
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Tech has been overvalued for long but it is one of the few spaces that has growth.

Even Shopee today has touched an all time high even with all the problems in South East Asia

QUOTE(Raymond_ACCA @ Apr 16 2020, 11:21 PM)
Oh wow.. Bank of NY Mellon increase today.. I really thought their results are gonna be terrible after WB sold off some last week. Their earnings beat estimates.
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Warren Buffet may not be running part of portfolio as he getting ready to give it to his successors.

They even own a small bit of Amazon now and some of their buys and sells haven't been in line with his past thoughts.

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Thank you Gilead

Positive end to the week for now

Early peek at data on Gilead coronavirus drug suggests patients are responding to treatment

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The University of Chicago Medicine recruited 125 people with Covid-19 into Gilead’s two Phase 3 clinical trials. Of those people, 113 had severe disease. All the patients have been treated with daily infusions of remdesivir.

“The best news is that most of our patients have already been discharged, which is great. We’ve only had two patients perish,” said Kathleen Mullane, the University of Chicago infectious disease specialist overseeing the remdesivir studies for the hospital.


Futures up 2%+ currently

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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Apr 17 2020, 06:07 PM)
I kinda agreed with you on the liquidity. However, as far as I know now, the liquidity has not spilled into the US public in a big way;  perhaps soon with all the stimulus packages being planned for their people.

As it is now, it is still deflationary with all the near zero interest rates in place but I do note that this might turn into hyper inflationary if things go out of control.

In addition, currently there is USD shortage globally so the balance is still intact to balance off the excess liquidity.

While the Fed pumps the market, it's the top 1% who have invested and have vested interests in the market will gain. So while they are at it,  why not pinch some of the excesses biggrin.gif

The stock market  is rigged and is not the barometer of economy, and is never one in the first place.

Nonetheless I know you mean well when you advise not to put stock market as my  priority, but it is a means for improving  my financial and investment knowledge compared to zero 2 years back.

BTW I am not encouraging ppl to invest with my post above, especially if they don't have any sort of risk management in place of downturn.  DYODD.
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It has actually spilled to the public already. Just not to right people.

Many biz with connections and who had existing loans were approved for the PPP loan program which is essentially free money while some are still stuck waiting for their unemployment benefits to be approved.

The dollar swap lines has actually helped quite a bit as compared to 2008. The FED was way quicker to extend it and there is a big debate if it can't last but so far the dollar has actually weaken on a trade weighted basis.

The market has definitely been disconnected from the economy for a long time already. It once was when small caps were where growth and value were found.

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For those wandering the loan lost during the last FED stress test if this mirrors the 2008 crisis:

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Apr 17 2020, 08:10 PM)
Long Term QE effect: Inflation on broad basket of item as value of money goes down.

Short Term QE effect: Inflating asset class, as this is where the money flow in the fastest

If we have learned something from last financial crisis is that free, cheap and easy money will always flow into equities first and subsequently other asset class. Last round of QE already benefited asset holder so much, if we din't take advantage of Global QE 2.0 we would be a fool.

If you look closely, equities has already become even more inflated. AAPL has gone back to their dec 19 highs as if the covid19 and china/US retail store shutdown never happened. So in value wise, AAPL has actually become more expensive. Their market cap remain at dec 19 level, but their profit definitely not comparable. Forward PE has definitely gone up by a fair margin.

But the bargain hunter within me cannot buy it even though I know helicopter money is inflating it to infinity and beyond. Oh well, lets hope market gets rational soon and we see a correction nearer to the true value. Or either QR out and people got shock. Fighting my FOMO to wait for either one to materialized.
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That is definitely true especially if you see the data out of China today but there seems to be conflicting info.

Tesla had record orders in China during March and if one is to look at this site below it seems tech is still not really hit.

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Even Samsung chip said they weren't really hit and yesterday Taiwan Semi seem quite bullish

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The company said its latest results benefited from strong demand for both high-performance computing components, which are used by cloud-computing companies, and “the continued ramp of 5G smartphones.” For the second quarter, the company sees weaker mobile-product demand, balanced by continued deployment of 5G phones, and product launches in high-performance computing.
QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 17 2020, 08:25 PM)
but u c... that's the problem...

we know something is not right but it may not surface in the next 3, 5, 10 years.

what is going on is basically a postponement of some big problem into the future.

then again, people alive today aren't that interested in a time when they are r dead (or in a hospital  tongue.gif ).

here, watch this - the 4th wave:
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/03/26/is-a-...sis-coming.html
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Yeah

Things take time and one never knows the breaking point and can only be prudent and risk manage for it

Even in the video one can see with the ballooning debts that it took time to ultimately hit the economies

Enron's off balance sheet antics took a while before everyone realized how bad it was

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QUOTE(GloryKnight @ Apr 17 2020, 09:32 PM)

thanks for the sharing! im also interested in smaller banks and other regional banks.
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The FED exempted a number or regional banks from the test so as far as I know there are none for the rest

If you are interested in the breakdown then can check it here:

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For those investing in USO there is a small change coming in a filling from yesterday:

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Commencing on April 17, 2020, and until further notice and market conditions and regulatory conditions permit otherwise, USO intends to invest approximately 80% of its portfolio in crude oil futures contracts on the NYMEX and ICE Futures in the front month contract and approximately 20% of its portfolio in crude oil futures contracts on the NYMEX and ICE Futures in the second month contract, except when the front month contract is within two weeks of expiration, in which case the futures contracts held by USO will be rolled into the second month contract and third month contract. Any investments by USO in crude oil futures contracts will be subject to any applicable limits on such futures contracts as may be imposed by the NYMEX and ICE Futures. The foregoing may impact the performance of USO. In addition, as a result of these changes, USO may not be able to meet its investment objective, which is for the daily percentage changes in the NAV per share to reflect the daily percentage changes of the spot price of light, sweet crude oil, as measured by the daily percentage changes in the price of Benchmark Oil Futures Contract, plus interest earned on USO’s collateral holdings, less USO’s expenses.

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QUOTE(GloryKnight @ Apr 17 2020, 11:11 PM)
Thanks! Im looking at ITUB and offshore banks wink.gif
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Sorry , I don't generally invest or trade in banks so have to ask others here who are banking experts

I mostly invest and trade in Tech and Semi stocks like Shopify, Shopee, Lam Research and Applied Materials. They are way more volatile though.

I did notice that it is a Brazilian bank and they have underestimated or at least not reacted fast enough towards the COVID crisis so have to factor that.


QUOTE(AVFAN @ Apr 21 2020, 09:43 PM)
mr trump now has his chance to save usoil - ban all incl saudi imports, shut down shale, throw in 1 trillion n buy up all the excess crude.

will/can he do it?! tongue.gif
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We will never let the great U.S. Oil & Gas Industry down. I have instructed the Secretary of Energy and Secretary of the Treasury to formulate a plan which will make funds available so that these very important companies and jobs will be secured long into the future!

The dollar has taken a small hit from all these constant bailout talks.

Congress already rejected last month a deal to add oil to SPR

Going to be quite ridiculous as then he should just bailout everyone.

QUOTE(yok70 @ Apr 21 2020, 09:49 PM)
interesting suggestion!

USO stops moving? halt?
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Since they have now stopped issuing new shares after the debacle below then the only two ways the fund blows up is redemption hit or they have to sell the futures negative prices

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QUOTE(GloryKnight @ Apr 21 2020, 10:10 PM)
Anyone of you planning to go into RDSB? Crossroads at either entering now or waiting to retest near March lows.
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This is the reason for me at least personally I would only continue to swing trade these companies

If they are having to borrow and sell assets to pay dividends and conduct buy backs rather than reinvest in their own biz then that is a red flag for me at least.

In the end of the day your are the PM of your own portfolio so one has to ask if they will continue this behavior.

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QUOTE(GloryKnight @ Apr 22 2020, 12:19 AM)
What would be your take on shopee? Im looking at charts and seems like 50 would be support and entry level for late comers and given the pandemic, consumer behaviours and consumption pattern will change. Understand this might be a growth counter.
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That was a trade for me and I am out after using trailing stops.

Yes, around 50 is the first real support if you want to slowly build a position

There is also some support at 47.50 and 45 but since this a momentum and growth stock, support levels don't always work out like last month when 45 became resistance before finally breaking out

I am looking to add this back if it ever gets back to low 40's as long term stock that gives me some room to hold it

QUOTE(Hoi-Ya-Ee-Ya @ Apr 22 2020, 12:27 AM)
Anyone here using 8securities? Is it good and reliable?

How about eToro?

Thanks!
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They got bought by Sofi so that is a good sign but I haven't used it

eToro is a CFD broker
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 22 2020, 08:19 AM)
Thanks for this info.

:Looks like unsustainable dividends at this rate.
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Well if history is any proof then they will continue to raise debt and sell assets to sustain that dividend unless oil recovers in the next 12 months or so

Their dividends especially for XOM and CVX are extremely important to keeping face as they both are dividend aristocrats.

Shell apparently hasn't had a dividend cut since WW2.

Their earnings are coming up in the next two weeks so we will see if they changing their tune.


QUOTE(danmooncake @ Apr 22 2020, 10:11 AM)
Oil is cheaper than water and toilet paper.  biggrin.gif

Very interesting price movement indeed. 

After that big negative number the prior day before expiration,
That's negative number is probably non-real when traders just unload 'em all at the end by cutting lost and not
accept the oil delivery for May. It rolls over to June contract now.. still closed under $10.

But, it's still quite insanely cheap... even for under $10 close today.

Looking at the future months, the spread between front and future months are quite big. I think the future
months still need to come down more.  nod.gif
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One has to wonder how much issues that USO ETF has caused other than storage issues

At one point the ETF owned like 30% of the open interest in June before changing their objective.

The implied volatility for that ETF was ridiculous.

IBKR has already been hit and they the first one to say it

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QUOTE(MGM @ Apr 22 2020, 09:42 AM)
Read from somewhere road transports used up 2/3 of oil, the rest shares the 1/3.
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