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post Jun 9 2022, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Jun 9 2022, 12:48 PM)
What I have read is the Payment Flow. But I think it is not really wrong.

E.g you say you want to buy the share at $1. then the backend payment flow manage to find a seller to sell at 95 cents. so it take this 95 cents and present to you who want to buy at $1 and pocket the 5 cents as profits. how is this flow unfair to the buyer? you are the one who want to buy at $1 so someone go and find and present to you at $1

It seems to be an increasing trend and I read in the other forum even IBKR is also starting to practice that. Let's be realistic 0 comm fees then the profits must come from somewhere for the broker correct? So with such payment flow I think it is not wrong but to some ppl ethically it is wrong ?
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you key in $1... if got seller 95c... you get order filled at 95c... but now someone hijacked the trade from the seller, and resell to you at $1...

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post Jun 9 2022, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(sgh @ Jun 9 2022, 05:19 PM)
That is for Fill Order. If you go for Market Order (for which it is mandatory for fractional shares) it may happen? It is like in exchange to get 0 comm fees they do it their hijack way to earn your monies. Then it boil down to investor you don't want hijack you pay comm fees. If you want 0 comm fees somewhere need to give else how do broker survive correct?

What I have read is more brokers seem to be going for this strategy and IBKR is not spared. If they go for this strategy and yet still charge comm fees it is like double pain isn't it ?
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doesn't matter... your order gets routed to market makers anyways...and they have first pick... also with high frequency trading... what you see may not be what you get...

anyways see this... https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/tradi...-order-flow.php

for US ppl on ibkr... they can select free or pro account...

another way broker makes $ is lending out your idle cash..


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post Jun 10 2022, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(esyap @ Jun 10 2022, 11:32 AM)
ur eg. only apply to market order, I believe LMT order, u get wat u keyed in. is it not?
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limit buy orders get executed at $x or below...
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post Jun 10 2022, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Jun 10 2022, 10:51 AM)
I miss Trump's administration..
at least US economy and inflation isn't in a mess like how Biden is cluelessly handling now.
Btw, Biden don't have any stocks.. he admit he doesn't have any shares in the stock market or even bond.  Hence doesn't give a damn on how the stock market is doing.

Source: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2014/...-savings-accou/

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/24/investin...rket/index.html
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covid 19 shuts down the world for quite a bit... the immediate effect is stock market tanking, but there are still stockpiles of food/oil/etc... now we're seeing the aftermath of the shutdown from people not working the fields... obviously made worse by trump and putin...
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post Jun 10 2022, 10:54 PM

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end of 13 yrs bull run... thumbup.gif

please fast fast start next leg down... come to papa laugh.gif

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post Jun 12 2022, 12:06 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 10 2022, 09:41 PM)
3300 coming?
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good optimistic tp for intermediate low...

me looking forward to a bit lower... but will see... smile.gif

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post Jun 13 2022, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 13 2022, 09:28 AM)
i presume 61% retracement is a good time to ALL IN.  laugh.gif
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dunno.... but in terms of timing... looks like all in btc first... laugh.gif

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post Jun 13 2022, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 13 2022, 11:39 AM)
Everybody ready for the leg down shopping next week?

It's going to be really rocky and choppy..(maybe some good bargains too!  biggrin.gif )

I think worst case scenario.. Fed may just drop a 75bps to in there.

We still have ways to go to get to 3.5%~4% Fed fund rate.
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i am not ready... dunno what to buy laugh.gif
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post Jun 14 2022, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 14 2022, 08:58 AM)
Trying to time the market?  laugh.gif
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always... wink.gif

unfortunately no motivation to trade... didn't short the market...

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post Jun 15 2022, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jun 14 2022, 11:37 PM)
Sometimes I'm baffled by Ringgit performance.
Many months ago, they said Ringgit is up because because of the demand for commodity like energy (oil/gas) and palm oil.

Oil price down/CPO down, Ringgit down.
Oil price up/CPO up.. Ringgit also down.    doh.gif
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balancing act by BNM wrt import, export, interest rates, dll... not just oil/cpo...

few months ago myr up not because strong... it's only because usd dumped...

imho... hard for BNM to defend myr much... expect myr gg more...


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post Jun 16 2022, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Jun 16 2022, 03:59 PM)
Meanwhile I'm with those options trader who suddenly got caught in-the-money and prepare to get assign thanks to sudden market movement.
I realized that i have both Puts and Calls with the same strike price on the same expiry date  sweat.gif  so doesn't matter stock go up or down, one of it will get assigned. I wonder if it really land on the strike price..... whether both will get exercised?
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nvm... gonna crash again...

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post Jun 16 2022, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Jun 16 2022, 04:42 PM)
well now the CC is going to get called away, which further Crashing = good for me. i'll just sell CSP to take it back at lower price  drool.gif .
But really part of me felt like buying a LEAPS 2 years down the road... If really it goes up in future, even by 50% you can still huat big big without Locking too much $$ on the stock.
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don't simply sell based on premiums lah...hahaha

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post Jun 17 2022, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Jun 16 2022, 10:06 PM)
hmm.gif I do have question regards to "Panic Sales" during a recession/market crash
A lot of videos promotes to hold and continue to buy or dollar cost average during a recession or market crash.
But from my perspective, "Selling" when a market is crashing isn't necessary a bad thing, isn't selling part of the exit strategy? i mean to hold cold cash and buy when market dip further?

Take my TSLA as example with my Avg price is $1000. If i were to sell all when it drop to $900, and buy again when it drop to $700.... even if it's continue to drop below $700 at least i avoided the $200 lost in between than compare to when i hold $1000 and the stock drop to under $700
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yes... sell first buy back cheaper or buy back more is a trading strategy... but generally if holding lots of stocks, buying puts is the way to go... can also buy inverse 3x etf as proxy...

but the main problem for retail investors is fomo buy high and beh tahan cut at the bottom... if wanna cut, must cut early...

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post Jun 17 2022, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 17 2022, 07:42 AM)
3300 coming soon
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i think will bounce ~3500 first... sucker in more retailers for 1-2 weeks... then dump again to 2800~3000 to bleed em dry... laugh.gif

and maybe another year for capitulation and bottom out... whistling.gif

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post Jun 17 2022, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Jun 17 2022, 11:15 AM)
I will just DCA accumulate.. no capital to buy puts on good stocks.  smile.gif  not willing to gamble also on knowing if market will go up or down.

just tahan.. during recession is like that. Once we see returns during recovery, then will syok and looking back will feel these are small pains biggrin.gif
control own emotions and sail through these tough times.
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buy puts to hedge...lock in your p/l... this is not to gamble up or down... but of course you can buy more to gamble wink.gif

i mostly all cash since march... waiting tahan gatal only... hahaha...

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Jun 17 2022, 11:40 AM)
been there before, withdrawal symptoms. all rally will seem like the bottom. that's why this time i decide not to time the market
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nah... i know a suckers rally when i see one... wink.gif

but anyways... we're already 6-9 months in decline, -20% down... so yes is good time as any to start looking at laddering in and sell calls to complement...

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worse is if you waited too long and the price went above your exit price so you underperformed hodl.

yes... have done this before on purpose, trade off profit potential with higher probability of success... wink.gif


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post Jun 17 2022, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jun 17 2022, 03:15 PM)
So far, the S&P500 has a drawdown of 23.5% since the start of the year. If recession were to hit USA, I wonder if the drawdown this time will be as bad as in 2008 of around 50%. If it is gonna be similar, then the S&P500 index could potentially drop until 2400 level? mega_shok.gif
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can be worse since feds pump market so much for so long...

but still no trigger for massive dump yet... market structure still ok...


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post Jun 17 2022, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(RayleighH @ Jun 17 2022, 07:21 PM)
Ini market structure?

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lol...

market structure in trading... smile.gif

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jun 18 2022, 09:55 AM)
Why u want t o buy EWM? U will get witholding tax on dividends.

If u want Malaysia, buy Bursa stocks directly
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maybe he in USA... missed kampung stocks... smile.gif

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Jun 17 2022, 10:44 PM)
Uhhh that small window appear where my Calls and Put Option (Same Strike Price same expiry date) Premium shifted. I set a buy order to close both options, my CC got closed with more than half of the premium pocketed in. As for puts, since it's already in the money... unless something happen tonight which bring it out of the money then there's a chance it will close. Nonetheless getting CSP assigned mean average acquisition on the particular stock will lower. no harm overall
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dude.... I dunno what are you doing... hahaha


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