QUOTE(Cubex01 @ Jun 11 2016, 05:33 PM)
You are right. the XL2411Z does not have G-syncIPS vs 144hz vs 1ms, Monitor selection
IPS vs 144hz vs 1ms, Monitor selection
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Jun 11 2016, 07:02 PM
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Acer XB240H in Malaysia doesn't support GSync either, only the refreshed version XB241H has GSync support.
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Jun 11 2016, 08:10 PM
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okey i have made the conclusion. i will go with the 144hz monitor. The problem would be whether i want to go with gsync or normal 144hz monitor.
heres list of entry lvl 144hz ASUS VG248QE = RM1549 BENQ XL2411Z = RM1199 while 144hz (with gsync enabled) XB241H (GSync) = RM1899 AOC G2460PG= IDK the price cant find seller here. is there any cheaper version of 144hz monitor? that comes with Display Port support |
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Jun 11 2016, 08:46 PM
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The cheapest 144Hz monitor in Malaysia is Acer XB240H (without GSync), less than 1k now.
And there is only 1 1080p 144Hz GSync monitor in Malaysia, that's Acer Predator XB241H, AOC one doesn't exist in local market. The next cheapest GSync monitor after XB241H is Acer Predator XB280HK, 4K UHD 60Hz, around 2.5k |
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Jun 11 2016, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Jun 11 2016, 08:46 PM) The cheapest 144Hz monitor in Malaysia is Acer XB240H (without GSync), less than 1k now. I won't recommend going 4k though, even with a GTX 1080. 1440p is the way to go for gamingAnd there is only 1 1080p 144Hz GSync monitor in Malaysia, that's Acer Predator XB241H, AOC one doesn't exist in local market. The next cheapest GSync monitor after XB241H is Acer Predator XB280HK, 4K UHD 60Hz, around 2.5k |
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Jun 11 2016, 09:49 PM
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I agreed with richard, even gtx1080 cannot push max ingame settings 4k reso @60hz. I mean most majority new games. Old games dont say la. Somemore 2k at 27inches vs 4k at 27inches, the ppi improvement difference is not noticable much at this screen size. Unless you want to go 4k with huge tv well agree its yummy.
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Jun 11 2016, 09:52 PM
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https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/...4K-monitor-729/
But if you're into FPS gaming only, go the 2K 144Hz, or maybe wait somemore as Asus is working on 4K 144Hz. This post has been edited by adilz: Jun 15 2016, 04:02 PM |
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QUOTE(adilz @ Jun 15 2016, 04:01 PM) https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/...4K-monitor-729/ Witcher 3 put max settings at 2K with gtx1080 only can get 60 plus fps. Really not easy to get 144hz on max settings for new games. Cant imagine how much gpu horse power needs to push 144hz at 4k on new games xPBut if you're into FPS gaming only, go the 2K 144Hz, or maybe wait somemore as Asus is working on 4K 144Hz. |
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Jun 15 2016, 09:52 PM
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You DONT NEED to have 100+ fps when you have G-Sync running. That's the beauty of G-Sync, it's synchronizes low frames and sequence it so that each slow frame-timed frames are kept in the G-Sync module buffer and pushed out in correct sequence/interval so that the end result looks smooth on the display. If you strive for 100+ on 4K or even max settings at 2K, no single graphics card in existence is able to produce that on modern games.
My personal settings, in 2K I enable SMAA at most, and still be able to get above 60fps, doom regularly stays above 80fps, and drops to lower 70s when the action gets intense. Now, 70-80fps isnt shitty or out of sync when you have 100hz or 144Hz displays with G-Sync, because G-Sync sequence them into the G-Sync module buffer and display them as smooth frames with indistinguishable frame-times. The reason why most of folks are TARGETING close to 100hz or 144hz is because they want the game to perform as close at the display panel is natively meant to. The problem in this is that you either have to drop quality settings or drop resolution. Which is why most folks use this reason as not to invest in high end graphics cards until <insert whatever year>, but as modern game engine progresses, more complexities like geometric detail, textures, etc are added, and you've back to square one: your most powerful card now back to the point where it cannot get back to your precious 100-144Hz framerate. G-Sync eliminates that need to be close to those 100-144hz target, you can be at 40fps at one point and 110fps, G-Sync eliminates that and sync it back to the display panel refresh rate. So, even back on my previous 4K60 G-Sync panel, I can be gaming at 35fps on the most punishing settings on GTAV on a single card (980Ti before I sold this), and it still looks as smooth as if it is running on 60fps the display panel is rated to. I have since moved this rig to be running on a 4KTV with 60hz refresh rate, I'll strive to get 60fps when I could but I will be able to see it if it drops to 35fps, the stutter and jerkyness. In short, QUOTE On a 60hz panel. Cap @ 59.7 On a 144hz panel. Cap @ 141-143 Reasoning: NVCP automatically enables V-sync every computer restart, as soon as you hit 60.0/144.0 fps, traditional v-sync will enable and g-sync will disable, introducing input lag. You want g-sync to be running 100% of the time, the only way to accomplish this is to make sure that you never hit 60.0 or 144.0 fps. You WANT to game at low frame rate (to a certain point) so that G-Sync covers your stutters at those framerates. You DO NOT wanna framerates HIGHER than your G-Sync panel refreshes because V-Sync will automatically kick in and introduce input lag. My own preference : at 3440x1440 I can live with SMAA. At 4K, I don't even need any AA, the pixels are so fine and small, at such high pixel density, it gives you free AA. Purposely killing your system with TSSAA, or maximum AA with no appreciable gain at higher pixel density displays, is just you making excuse that current crop of graphics cards isn't capable enough at these resolutions. This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jun 16 2016, 03:41 PM |
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Jun 16 2016, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE(Cubex01 @ Jun 11 2016, 08:10 PM) okey i have made the conclusion. i will go with the 144hz monitor. The problem would be whether i want to go with gsync or normal 144hz monitor. Since ur looking or 144Hz monitor, can consider Dell S2716DG with NVIDIA® G-Sync.heres list of entry lvl 144hz ASUS VG248QE = RM1549 BENQ XL2411Z = RM1199 while 144hz (with gsync enabled) XB241H (GSync) = RM1899 AOC G2460PG= IDK the price cant find seller here. is there any cheaper version of 144hz monitor? that comes with Display Port support It also has DP 1.2 port. More info below... http://accessories.ap.dell.com/sna/product...s1&sku=210-AGQZ PM me for best price! |
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Jun 16 2016, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jun 15 2016, 09:52 PM) You DONT NEED to have 100+ fps when you have G-Sync running. That's the beauty of G-Sync, it's synchronizes low frames and sequence it so that each slow frame-timed frames are kept in the G-Sync module buffer and pushed out in correct sequence/interval so that the end result looks smooth on the display. If you strive for 100+ on 4K or even max settings at 2K, no single graphics card in existence is able to produce that on modern games. Good point. At higher resolutions, AA should be disabled to take the load off the GPU. Still waiting for 1080 ti I am. By the time it emerges, the likes of X34P should become available too. So, hanging on to my current setup for the time being.My personal settings, in 2K I enable SMAA at most, and still be able to get above 60fps, doom regularly stays above 80fps, and drops to lower 70s when the action gets intense. Now, 70-80fps isnt shitty or out of sync when you have 100hz or 144Hz displays with G-Sync, because G-Sync sequence them into the G-Sync module buffer and display them as smooth frames with indistinguishable frame-times. The reason why most of folks are TARGETING close to 100hz or 144hz is because they want the game to perform as close at the display panel is natively meant to. The problem in this is that you either have to drop quality settings or drop resolution. Which is why most folks use this reason as not to invest in high end graphics cards until <insert whatever year>, but as modern game engine progresses, more complexities like geometric detail, textures, etc are added, and you've back to square one: your most powerful card now back to the point where it cannot get back to your precious 100-144Hz framerate. G-Sync eliminates that need to be close to those 100-144hz target, you can be at 40fps at one point and 110fps, G-Sync eliminates that and sync it back to the display panel refresh rate. So, even back on my previous 4K60 G-Sync panel, I can be gaming at 35fps on the most punishing settings on GTAV on a single card (980Ti before I sold this), and it still looks as smooth as if it is running on 60fps the display panel is rated to. I have since moved this rig to be running on a 4KTV with 60hz refresh rate, I'll strive to get 60fps when I could but I will be able to see it if it drops to 35fps, the stutter and jerkyness. In short, You WANT to game at low frame rate (to a certain point) so that G-Sync covers your stutters at those framerates. You DO NOT wanna framerates HIGHER than your G-Sync panel refreshes because V-Sync will automatically kick in and introduce input lag. My own preference : at 3440x1440 I can live with SMAA. At 4K, I don't even need any AA, the pixels are so fine and small, at such high pixel density, it gives you free AA. Purposely killing your system with TSSAA, or maximum AA with no appreciable gain at higher pixel density displays, is just you making excuse that current crop of graphics cards isn't capable enough at these resolutions. |
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QUOTE(teng_08 @ Jun 16 2016, 03:02 PM) Since ur looking or 144Hz monitor, can consider Dell S2716DG with NVIDIA® G-Sync. IMHO, the Dell S2716DG is overpriced, considering it is a TN panel. With Acer having a promo currently (free Predator headset worth RM499!?), the XB271HU is worth considering (RRP=RM3199) as it is an IPS panelIt also has DP 1.2 port. More info below... http://accessories.ap.dell.com/sna/product...s1&sku=210-AGQZ PM me for best price! |
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Jun 16 2016, 04:31 PM
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I have recently upgrade my monitor. My requirement is IPS and GSync. Unfortunately, only high end 27" monitor from ACER and ASUS can have this combo. So I ended up buying Acer XB271HU.
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Jun 16 2016, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jun 15 2016, 09:52 PM) ....At 4K, I don't even need any AA, the pixels are so fine and small, at such high pixel density, it gives you free AA. Purposely killing your system with TSSAA, or maximum AA with no appreciable gain at higher pixel density displays, is just you making excuse that current crop of graphics cards isn't capable enough at these resolutions. I'm in agreement with this, however there's another camp that insists that AA is still needed on 4K display. |
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 16 2016, 05:57 PM) I'm in agreement with this, however there's another camp that insists that AA is still needed on 4K display. That camp is the "AA for displays larger than 27/28 inch 4K display" camp. Case in point: my 55 inch 4KTV. To get the best impact of UHD display, you need to be seated less than 2 meters away. To be seated less than 2 meters away, you see jagged edges. Hence, some form of AA required. Sit far enough, you see less perceived jaggies, but that diminished the advantage of a 4KTV in the first place. You give me 65 inch 1080p TV, and no AA? I'll grab a fork and plunge it into my eyeballs and call it a day. For argument sake, I hope that other camp aren't referring to traditional PC gaming where you're seated facing a PC monitor. Because if you're doing that and you're still seeing jaggies on a 27/28 inch 4K display, then they need to peel their eyeballs off the screen already, you're sitting too close. |
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Jun 17 2016, 06:05 AM
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jun 16 2016, 06:14 PM) For argument sake, I hope that other camp aren't referring to traditional PC gaming where you're seated facing a PC monitor. Because if you're doing that and you're still seeing jaggies on a 27/28 inch 4K display, then they need to peel their eyeballs off the screen already, you're sitting too close. I think they were. The PPI is very fine, and when game is in action jaggies aren't noticed unless you're paying attention to it. |
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I'm using Gsync 144hz IPS, I will recommend priorities as:
1. IPS 2. Gsync 3. 144hz 4. 1ms That's just me, I'm okay with IPS glow, and I can't stand screen tearing. |
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