Yup, the 1070 isnt anything to write home about, we had those a year back, in the form of 980Ti. The 1080 however.......

Yup, the RX480 isnt anything to write home about, we had those two years back, in the form of 970. The same will be if the 1060 is the same as the 480 and the same as 970 too. The 1070 however.......

See the pattern?

You don't stay on the same performance tier, you upgrade from it. If you only have a set amount of $$$ to spend on GPUs, you tend to wait it out until it enters your price range then only upgrade.

Bro, RX 480 is just another mid end gpu by AMD. This card built for budget users, not enthusiast. It you wanna talk about tier proposition, GTX 970 is actually competing with R9 390 and RX 480 will directly competing with GTX 1060. While Nvidia always produces efficient cards,  AMD always went with different route like giving more vram and lower pricing. RX 480 isnt doing that bad if you considering it lower price point, future performance boost potential (DX12) & it overlaps the previous NVIDIA upper tier card which is GTX 970.

But i gotta agree AMD doing pretty badly with their current flagship (Fury & Fury X). Their current flagship is pretty much rubbish atm and they urgently needs to fasten up their next card releases. Lets see if they able to catching up the game with upcoming flagship.

Exactly. Most of these arguments applies to those who already have midrange to high end cards in their possession now.

These cards, the RX480 and GTX1060, are targeting those who stuck with the old midrange cards in the GTX400/500/600 and AMD's 4000/5000/6000. To them, these cards will be a godly upgrade without breaking the bank. Those who choose to break the bank, there's the 1070, and they will be an uninformed buyer if they are upgrading to 1070 from a 980Ti, 980, Fury X. They're of the same tier of performance, only made cheaper over time.

But the amount of gung-ho the RX480 is getting is lopsided: it isnt the 1070-level of performance, it's definitely not 1080. It's the cheer of the millions of users who stuck to the shitty midrange GTX400/500/600 and AMD's 4000/5000/6000 cards whom have been ignoring upgrades because they only have USD200 to spend, and now they have their options. But how long have they waited just to have that kind of performance, because they capped their purchase barrier at USD200? Most of the folks in this category dont discuss performance/watt and analyse numbers like we crazy enthusiast do and they certainly dont come into forums talking about performance of their cards like they do (who wanna share benchmarks of an old midrange card?), they just wanted it to work. That's where the "gung-ho" came from, but to the majority of us here who are using, at least a 290 or 380 or a 780ti or 970, performance of an RX480, isnt really anything to write home about.

yeah i'm glad that you understand that there exists different tiers/markets because there exists budget/enthusiast users. like if 1060 comes out with 980 performance, the same can be said for 980 users already been there done that, nothing new really might as well go for 1070 only etc, and it goes on. so dont go back to square one again

as for the second part, i dont get why you are going on about that, because i never said anything about gungho 480 beating 1080 or even remotely 1070, what?? lol

And I was doing the case comparison between 970 and 480 within their specific tiers, didn't I? I wasnt comparing the 480 to the 1070 am I, like the AMD fanbase who did that?

As for the second part, it's a paragraph. It's separated from the response I made to you (first paragraph), and the response I made in general (not targeted at you). Unless you want me to double post?

i think you just went back to it again, i give up LOL

also not sure why you are still calling people out for comparing 1070 to 480, that was so long ago even before 480 benchmarks arrived.

since we have proper benchmarks now, be rest assured that no one is comparing it to that anymore.

It happened. Just like how people wont forget the Nvidia's 3,5GB and "Bumpgate" debacle. It's easier not to hype it, but AMD fans didn't listen. They wanted the win so badly that they hyped it beyond reason.

I'm interested in the benchmarks now, since the new driver is supposedly out. They claimed 3% performance improvement with the new driver, while reducing overdraw, so it's like reducing the performance of the old by X amount and increasing it back up again by driver optimization by 3%. Back to square one? They should've stuck to the specs inthe first place and not go crazy current overdraw in the first place. Even if that results in lower performance, they can always get it back with driver optimizations. They're probably worried that when first benchmark comes out it'll be underwhelming. First impressions always counts, right?

Bro, RX 480 is just another mid end gpu by AMD. This card built for budget users, not enthusiast. It you wanna talk about tier proposition, GTX 970 is actually competing with R9 390 and RX 480 will directly competing with GTX 1060. While Nvidia always produces efficient cards,  AMD always went with different route like giving more vram and lower pricing. RX 480 isnt doing that bad if you considering it lower price point, future performance boost potential (DX12) & it overlaps the previous NVIDIA upper tier card which is GTX 970.

But i gotta agree AMD doing pretty badly with their current flagship (Fury & Fury X). Their current flagship is pretty much rubbish atm and they urgently needs to fasten up their next card releases. Lets see if they able to catching up the game with upcoming flagship.

bro i'm totally ignoring reference rx 480 at this point, because you know la not expecting anything more from a reference card with subpar cooler.

waiting to see GTX 1060 and Nitro+ 480 only.

Smart consumer/ pengguna bijak!

If the 1060 is gonna be 1500 with performance of 980 at lower power consumption, nobody would bother with the 480. Anything higher, the. It's a toss-up between staying with 480 AIB, 1060 and 1070 in that order.

That's why I say that if the price is cheap enough, people are more forgiving when it comes to performance, they adjust expectations. But once the price start scaling up, you start expecting more out of it, right?

i think they will just look elsewhere or get something else. like used cards if they are tight budget, or 1070 if they can afford it.

A lot of AMD cards are on the " let see" or "future promises" basis. A lot of the games I wanna play are most recently released games, not games released in the future, and in the future when AMD finally fixed their performance with better drivers, I wont be playing games I wanna play 2 years ago, I  would've moved on and play the games of that future. So I cannot rely on AMD's "future promises" like their DX12, when Nvidia's cards of the present already gave me what I needed now.

That's the wisest thing to do, yet I still see them being defensive about it when something a little bit critical was mentioned. They didn't wanna commit to it because it is more expensive than expected, yet they get all up in arms because it was their primary choice earlier on, but did not get it because it is not priced as it should. 

*confused*