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TSryanlow
post May 26 2016, 04:38 PM, updated 10y ago

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As the topic mentioned,
Few days ago , i hv received an email from my services apartment management stated that there is an increse for the maintainence fee from 35cents/sf to 42cents/sf and attached with the email .

my service apartment sf is 558ft
Previosly i need to pay RM175.75 and i hv noticed tat the current bill is Rm259.20
I was shocked and wanted to ask for calculation how they count the charges. And they just replied meas below :

The previous SQFT in 558 where only your unit SQFT i included, whereas now we have amended the SQFT to 681.79 which is inclusive your 1 car park bay sqft.

As per Act 757, the accessory parcel is chargeable along with the SQFT of the unit. Please refer to the charges calculation below:

558 + 123.79 = 681.79

681.79 x 0.42 = RM 286.35 (this is inclusive of sinking fund)

We trust the above clarifies your queries. Thank you.

And my other owner got the replied from the management which stated as below

"The calculation of share units is made based on the area of parcel and the entire floor parcel multiplied by the weight-age factors for that type of parcel, and if there are accessory parcels, the area of the accessory parcel is also multiplied by a weight-age factor for that accessory parcel. In conclusion, once the share unit is being allocated, services charges will be charged in proportion to share units allocated, in which, it includes car parks as accessory parcels, and this calculation of service charge applies to all stratified properties regardless the age of property.
In reference to your statement where, you have claimed that the parking bays was never included in the total built up, please refer to your SPA PREAMBLE :
"AND WHEREAS the Vendor has agreed to sell and the Purchaser has agreed to purchase a parcel with vacant possession more particularly described in Section 3 of the Sixth Schedule hereto which is delineated and shaded GREEN in the Storey Plan, measuring in area described in Section 3 of the Sixth Schedule within Storey No. of the Building No. as described in Section 3 of the Sixth Schedule which is in turn delineated and shaded RED in the Site Plan(Hereinafter referred to as "the said Building") with accessory parcel(s) with vacant possession distinguished as descried in section 3 of the Sixth schedule hereto (which is delineate and Shaded Blue in the Accessory Parcel Plan annexed in the First Schedule hereto) (hereinafter referred to as "the said parcel"), ...................."
The additional wording which appears in a bracket ‘(hereinafter referred to as “the said Parcel”)’ means that an accessory parcel is part of a parcel within a strata development. As it owes its existence to a particular parcel, in a nutshell, an accessory parcel can be transacted as long as it belongs to that particular parcel"



Therefore,
i would like to ask ... actually the maintenance fee for services apartment really includes parking bay ? which we really not satisfy .
May i know u guys hv any idea can hv better argument with management ? This is really ridiculous


Thannks for the help

Thanks


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cherroy
post May 26 2016, 11:27 PM

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Yes, the newly strata title act is including the car park into consideration in the calculation of "unit" if the car park belonged to the property, aka attached with the title normally.

But it is not counted based on Sqft like previously, it is counted based on " share unit".
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post May 28 2016, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 26 2016, 11:27 PM)
Yes, the newly strata title act is including the car park into consideration in the calculation of "unit" if the car park belonged to the property, aka attached with the title normally.

But it is not counted based on Sqft like previously, it is counted based on " share unit".
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Hi, thanks for your info
May i know how to count by share unit ya ? thanks


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post May 29 2016, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(ryanlow @ May 28 2016, 08:19 PM)
Hi, thanks for your info
May i know how to count by share unit ya ? thanks
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It is just like having a share in a company, except it is building area, aka you occupied how much "share" of area of the building.

Accessories parcel like car park, locker (if any) are included into calculation of "share".
Basically, it won't differ too much from the sqft calculation, just affect the unit who has more car parks and accessories parcels.

It does state in your strata title, and predetermined and approved by land office before.



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post Aug 9 2016, 12:00 PM

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0.42 psft is way high, maybe you should attend in agm and request to review.

i managed to voice my request review and approved from 0.20 to 0.13
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post Aug 9 2016, 01:36 PM

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is aircond ledge area also included in calculation for maintenance fee?
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QUOTE(nect @ Aug 9 2016, 01:36 PM)
is aircond ledge area also included in calculation for maintenance fee?
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yes accessories parcel. only your unit can access to it
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QUOTE(peri peri @ Aug 9 2016, 09:36 PM)
yes accessories parcel. only your unit can access to it
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A bit weird then... Cos Some floor plan include the aircond ledge size into unit size, some didnt..
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QUOTE(WahBiang @ Aug 9 2016, 09:52 PM)
A bit weird then... Cos Some floor plan include the aircond ledge size into unit size, some didnt..
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those didnt u need to highlight to jmb to capture it and let land office to re-survey before title out
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QUOTE(peri peri @ Aug 9 2016, 09:53 PM)
those didnt u need to highlight to jmb to capture it and let land office to re-survey before title out
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Really??? But why??? Some i notice got access door, some only got window to climb??
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QUOTE(WahBiang @ Aug 9 2016, 09:56 PM)
Really??? But why??? Some i notice got access door, some only got window to climb??
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if got photo then better for understanding.
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QUOTE(peri peri @ Aug 9 2016, 09:57 PM)
if got photo then better for understanding.
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Only floor plan n showroom...
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QUOTE(WahBiang @ Aug 9 2016, 09:59 PM)
Only floor plan n showroom...
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sure no problem, see if i can help
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post Aug 9 2016, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(nect @ Aug 9 2016, 01:36 PM)
is aircond ledge area also included in calculation for maintenance fee?
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yes.

As a side note, private lift lobby and car parks are also considered as accessory parcel.

The weight-age can be found in item 5 of Schedule 1 of the SMA 2013.


QUOTE(peri peri @ Aug 9 2016, 09:36 PM)
yes accessories parcel. only your unit can access to it
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not necessarily. Example Car PArk



QUOTE(peri peri @ Aug 9 2016, 09:53 PM)
those didnt u need to highlight to jmb to capture it and let land office to re-survey before title out
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Unlikely. Once title is out there will be no changes made. It is based on the approved development plans.
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QUOTE(aurora97 @ Aug 9 2016, 10:05 PM)
yes.

As a side note, private lift lobby and car parks are also considered as accessory parcel.

The weight-age can be found in item 5 of Schedule 1 of the SMA 2013.
not necessarily. Example Car PArk
Unlikely. Once title is out there will be no changes made. It is based on the approved development plans.
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it was referring to a/c ledge.

if you have doubt, re-survey. every inch must be fairly captured
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post Aug 9 2016, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(peri peri @ Aug 9 2016, 10:01 PM)
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QUOTE(peri peri @ Aug 9 2016, 10:08 PM)
it was referring to a/c ledge.

if you have doubt, re-survey. every inch must be fairly captured
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What i mean for aircond ledge is, say project A unit size 1k sf and projecg B also statr same size... But actually A include aircond ledge size and B didnt... So what u r saying is, when cum to calc maintenance fee, B we need top up additional maintenace fee for the aircond ledge rite?? So if need to aircond ledge size,some condo is big some is small, it may make our ppsf be totally bias...
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QUOTE(WahBiang @ Aug 9 2016, 10:22 PM)
What i mean for aircond ledge is, say project A unit size 1k sf and projecg B also statr same size... But actually A include aircond ledge size and B didnt... So what u r saying is, when cum to calc maintenance fee, B we need top up additional maintenace fee for the aircond ledge rite?? So if need to aircond ledge size,some condo is big some is small, it may make our ppsf be totally bias...
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Yes, it is part of ur share unit, because it attached to your parcel
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post Aug 9 2016, 10:42 PM

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usually car park , aircon ledge, private lift lobby = 0,5 weight factor
so if you car park =12m2 and aircon is 4m2 , the share unit is 6 and 2 respectively

when your condo build up is 100m2 so the share unit is 100; your total share unit will become 100+6+2 = 108 share unit

108 share unit x what ever service fee the JMC /developer has calculated

service fee = total expense (as per budget) divide by total share unit of the condo
if the total annual expense is RM2mil and total share unit is 100,000
service fee = RM2,000,000/100,000 = RM20 per share unit per annum
so your service fee = RM108 x 20= RM2160 per annum or RM180 per month

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post Aug 10 2016, 08:42 PM

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Does this calculation apply only to serviced apartments (commercial title) or also to residential title units ?
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post Aug 10 2016, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Aug 10 2016, 08:42 PM)
Does this calculation apply only to serviced apartments (commercial title) or also to residential title units ?
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apply to all under the new strata act where service fee is base on share unit (not sf)

 

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