Please read back the posting trails before comments.....tqvm

Mr bean list out 5 points better than conclude buy leasehold = die

Nobody mentioned the word suicide here except you. Some leasehold properties are worth buying. In case you have trouble interpreting messages-

leasehold+crappy location+high price = better don't buy

Leasehold + good location or good rental yield = can buy

Leasehold + crappy location + cheap price = can consider

actually right, is there any landed property that ticks all the right boxes like freehold, good township, reputable developer, good location, good connectivity and available from 650k?

I would be the most interested

also, I would like to learn what does it take in order to be considered as good location.

Most people know about above combi, but why not you give some example which property fall in which group?

Can give me example which leasehold property u will buy?

My intepretation is

If an area consists of mostly freehold (mk, pj, dsara for example)..buying lishold will not hold good value as compared to fh.

If an area consists of mostly lishold (kd), buying fh will definitely be an advantage but lishold should hold value bcos high % of properties there are lh anywhere.

If u see canal city as extension of kk which is mostly fh...buying lishold will be disadvantage.

But if u see canal city as TPG and later other developments there are mostly lishold...then canal city might not be the worst choice.

If you take klcc proper for guideline....most klcc properties are fh except pocket of lh condos...
Go compare prices of those fh and lh properties and see which condo have better value.

And commercial properties less likely bother with fh or lh as their value more related to viabracy of the commercial activities.

As a general guide...lh properties are priced 20% lower than fh properties. Therefore developers usually give buyers much bigger land plot, better built in space and nicer concept if they would want to sell at par with fh properties. Example lake edge in puchong

This post has been edited by BEANCOUNTER: Jun 13 2016, 10:17 AM

For Kota Kemuning, the old one is FH. But the new development like the HomeTree and those near the Kemuning Utama (few small project), mostly LH. The command price still very deep

Only the old completed project under FH (including KK, KU, BR and Berjaya Park)

just fyi only, some old kk house are leasehold as well.

on yeah, latest Kundang Estate by gamuda land, 20x70 from 600k as well.

Now it is not FH or LH problem.

Problem now is any landed property below 700K ? I mean new development not subsale. Some people don't like old house and u need to fork out alot money for renovate

klang valley is running out of freehold land hence developers have no choice but to buy leasehold for development.

But you can still get many good sub-sale freehold landed properties such as putra heights, USJ, setia alam, denai alam, sg long, Elmina , cyberjaya, putrajaya etc. Some subsale can even get at RM 600K

IOI tried to push landed leasehold 16 sierra with very nice concept but this area still not doing well. So many kunta kinte staying there now. Setia ecohill new landed freehold at semenyih also not doing well even subsale at RM 500K. Even freehold cyberjaya with nice concept and acessability also struggling.

The leasehold crowded area I can think of is Bandar baru bangi, shah alam seksyen 7, KD etc. But these landed properties were sold at affordable price long time ago. Also you will notice leasehold buyers are normally malay.

at current price of RM 700K at rimbayu, leasehold plus not very good location, I would give it a miss in my opinion. It may attract kunta kinte since these people like to hide in low profile places such as 16 sierra /venice hill and some parts of cyberjaya

Problem is good location + leasehold / freehold, normally + HIGH PRICE, so is it = can buy?

What does kunta kinte mean, i dont get it.


Kunta Kinte (c.1750 – c.1822) is a character in the novel Roots: The Saga of an American Family by American author Alex Haley. Haley claimed that Kunta Kinte was based on one of his ancestors: a Gambian man who was born in 1750, enslaved and taken to America and who died in 1822. Haley said that his account of Kunta Kinte's life in Roots was a mixture of fact and fiction.

Can you please define the meaning of "not doing well"? Occupancy? Property Appreciation? Rental? As we all know, new township project shall take time to grow I suppose. Any newly VP project example that "doing very well" in the past 6 months?

By the way, many units in Bandar Mahkota Cheras are leasehold and that are grabbed by chinese. Of course you may justify this by the low entry price last time, but the definition of "low" changes every year though..

This post has been edited by samkps: Jun 13 2016, 03:29 PM

Describing Rimbayu's buyers as kunta kinte would not bring up your status.

Don't be bothered with what these bashers comment. The more replies they get....the happier they are. These people are all Hindsight Professor. If the township happens to do well...they will be long gone quiet. Conclusion: Just be happy with our purchases.

any idea what the rental rate for penduline might be once it vp?

Congratulations to those who have bought properties.

They are good assets.

Moving on...

I think he means Africans. It's true that Africans are slowly moving into 16 Sierra as my friend is staying there