since our reputation in South East Asia so bad..should we use these foreign player to improve our gameplay,quality and ranking like Singapore,Japan did?

surely yes.. when u see their improvement in football in singapore, japan, south korea, china etc. i wander y this question have to be raised ..

coz...to c wether malaysian really needed the foregin player or not..

Foriegn player? As in "Not malay" ? Or you mean someone like me, born in the UK with a Malay Dad, which would make me eligable to play for either nation?

If the latter, I say Yes!! As long as he's eligble to play, and he's not SOOOO good he would choose england as his nation. If you mean incorperating Singapore/malaysia/indonesia as a single entity (Like joining england, wales and scotland) I say No. Football is Identity, thats why fans are so pationate, lose the identity and we lose the beautiful game. Malaysian football isn't bad because theres no talent, it's still developing. If you look at the youth systems / scouting / and facilities in europe, you could see why malaysia is still behind in footballing terms. Malaysian football still needs development. Nurture the youth in the right manner, and you will see an improvement, granted, it won't be immediate, it may take decades, but hey, Rome wasn't built in a day.

But...There needs to be adequate coaching too, without top draw coaches / managers coming through, skillful players mean nothing. So the 2 go hand in hand.

Schools of excellence, coaching coarses made more available, and a dedicated youth system is whats needed to catch up in asia.

Being a small country isn't an excuse, England is tiny, but we can still produce class players occasionally. And on paper we have a strong national squad (I said on paper lol). Just give it time, things will happen out here!!

what i mean is Not Malays la but Non Malaysian..like other citizen such as Brazilian or Argentinian or even England..if u stated like that u generalised football player as Malay only..what about Indian,Chinese and other..such as Shebby,K.Sanbagamaran, Liew Kit Kong..

Shaun Maloney (Celtic/Scotland I'tl) was born in Malaysia.Wonder if he wants to play here

I don't see why not, but he'll have to be Malaysian, which is going to be highly unlikely. gahmen problem I guess.

Oh, i thought u meant National football, not league. If ur just talking about league football, then yes, i agree and injection of foreign players will be nice. Not only does it add some much needed excitment to the malaysian game, but they also bring with them a wealth of experience. That exp helps not only other players, but the management and coaching staff too. (Training excersises, tactics etc - If a manager want's to listen of course).

macam singapore matsalleh ada negro ada kiasu sangat until like this.

i think gov.. shuld be no problem at all..since other sport also use foreign player such as Yuan Yu Fang,Irina..
it just maybe the veteran that wuld not like it..
but if we want to take the foreign..they shuld be the player that perform very well..not just tangkap muat ajer..

Yes, desperately! =P

No, if it means "naturalising" foreign players the way Japan and Singapore did (bringing in people who can play football but had absolutely nothing to do with malaysia) as we would be stunting our long term growth this way. You know the way people are, once they're content they'll do nothing to improve themselves. (the FA in particular)

using foreign player wont determine the outcome a lot...

if you use 1, i will say no different, when he cross a superb ball, our player too short and can't head it, when he pass a through ball, our player bad positioning and off side.......opposition only need mark him deedly and game over......if use a lot foreign players, other nation will look down on us...

even if it works, also short term success, long term we still gonna suffer because foundation still matter the most

i still remember lopez, the brazilian that play in 1998 japan world cup squad, and yet he not the first choice...

instead, if FAM really decide use foreign players, players from african and south american will treat here as a place to earn money only because they know fans gonna treat them as god, FAM gonna give them big car big house....so, i don't think it will work....

yup..maybe just for short term..but it have positive impact also..at least local player will try harder to prove they worth to be in the squad..rite now..u can see always just familiar faces and player that have certain connection with the FAM..i'm not accused there are misconduct when choosing a player..but i see some of player are not suppose to be in the team..as example..Fadzli Shaari..i don think he shuld be in the squad..but he often been choosing..i dont know y..coz he's not good at all..some say he skill like Beckham..pls..i rather kill myself or eaten by the tiger... i and my fren just watched Malaysia for fun..i mean we will be laughing like hell when malaysia touch the ball.coz they always be something funny will happen..

This post has been edited by wanz_delpiero: Jan 9 2007, 04:25 PM

yeah la, seriuously, they play like amateur players la. so embarrassing. they think they can dribble all the way past the midfield to the penalty box lol.

small boy playing like that.

not just they think they can dribble to the penalty box..dont u c, when opponent hold the ball..all the player will chase the opponent like hell,like fish want to eat the bait..all the player in that sector will rush to opponent..no man marking at all,suppose to be only one player will go and try to beat the opponent but for malaysian all will go..very "cooperative" i say..

foreign player no. use foreign personnel to help improve our football yes. as in coaches, trainer and the way to help improve our system in the way of how we gonna develope football at Malaysia.

ya...but what about the past..dont u remember?
hatem soussi,claude le roy,and few that i can't remember..all of them be a coach..but what happen..

i dont think its the coach or the trainer at fault here. the player dont show any commitment to do wat they are told to do. training a bit tough complain. they dont show the initiative to improve themself as a player. try ask what is their diet is? and finally the coach or the trainer didn't hav the final say of who gonna play and who is not gonna play. why hatem soussi,claude le roy or others that been here to malaysia b4 have great success when they coach other country?

hmm.ok..that 1 i agree with u..player attitude is that the problem now..when coach trained them they sez coach torture la,when coach not allowed them to eat nasi lemak and diet they say coach is ruthless la..what can we say..their ego is to high..but if coach doesnt strict enuff it could be the problem too.. they will nothave a self respect to the coach,

This post has been edited by wanz_delpiero: Jan 9 2007, 05:22 PM

off topic a while.. van bronchorst (forget to spell) is an Indonesian.. but play for Holland

NO .

any foreigner who come hre will be a C grader who ounldn't do anything in his home country , his standard will not be better than locals and he will cntirbute nothing.

Problem is not one of bringing in foreigners , we have PROVED in the past that we can be world beaters with LOCALS ONLY !

So it's up to us to get our lazy fag asses in gear and we can rise again .

Especially our MY chinese , you see when we get in gear , how much a contirbution we can make eg) AG and 70/80 football .

Tell you mothers to Fuak off and say i'm going to do what I love and I don't wnat this doctor/lawyer / banker gay yuppie shit !

then we will improve .

grade C to in their country but 'super world class' here

He played for Scotland...so he is not eligible to play for another country already..

We indeed in need of foreign players but not plenty..maybe one player for each vital position like playmakers role, target man and central defenders...Bruno Martelotto and Juan Manual Arostegui is the type of player we wanted

btw Malaysian footballers are only attracted to $$$ so whenever they play for their own national team they don't have the motivation

yes, get romario.......

but do our chicks stand a chance against the brazillian chicks ?
hmmmm......
no reason for romario to come here

No offense.. but i don think the sport FOOTBALL in malaysia will hav any improvements in d next 10 years if the authorities are still R****T .

They should reform FAM, they have failed way too many times.

With such low pay and terrible administration, not even a C class foreigner will play for us.

make it to 100 years...

yup..only desperately foreigner will want to play in malaysia..i dont think shaun would like to play for malaysia..since he have btter option..why he wuld want play with team that are in 152 rankings?

i agree with you. In malaysia parents wants their kids to perform in academic rather than sports. Send them to school, then later evening got tuition after school send them to college bla bla bla... so the time for them to play football is limited and because tired of studies they're lazy to play football already. Parents vision see that football is not promising future in Malaysia that's why they didnt prefer it. If we can change their mindset I'm sure our football can be improve.

yala.. parent sometime also very susah. a lot of the parents not supportive enuff. the thing is the dont see any future with the football in malaysia. first our club team or state team must do well in those AFC champion league or cup. by chances maybe other asia country would like to have our player play for their respective clubs. then i will say our football is goin the right direction.

even we say yes. but they wont let, why?
you see Liga perdana itself. how many chinese and indians,
they cant afford to pay wages for their "own" local players. if outsider comes in i bet tons of court cases will happen lol.

this what happen when all buy fake stuff from their fav club. malaysia boleh land.

I will say no to foreign players because I do not see how they can contribute to the current national team.

The problem with our national squad is not the lack of quality players. It is lousy administration, corruption at every level, lack of motivation and national pride.

The fan support is also terrible, with everyone adopting the wait and see attitude. Whats even worse is when we have more supporters for that reality football team than our own national team...

how to attend. i always feel asleep during their game.

Its not that bad......sometimes

its been awhile since i last go to a live match of our local league d. i used to go watch whenever perak came to KL or Selangor. now i only go to watch if got foriegn team come to play.

No matter how sucky our Malaysian team are..at least we suck with pride..not like our little neighbours down south...

i dun care bout wat down there are doin. they goin for the quick way. yes they getting the result but to maintain it, they need to keep on importing new foriegn player. somemore their country is so small. cant compare them to us la. our population dunno how many times more than theirs.

I agree with no foreign player plus the lousy administration. They wont even listen to other oppinions or take others critic the negatif ways. Throw away those ego and start to listen. We have our own gems just they are not being polish the right way, leaving most of them hidden.

This post has been edited by duarnt: Jan 10 2007, 04:50 PM

if msia were to use foreign players then our local player will not have the chance to play n develop and m'sia will fall further behind.

relying on foreign talent would only bring da game into jeopardy...sure we might get into da world cup, but would we as malaysians feel proud about it? if nicole david could do it, y not da others?

I'll assume that you're mostly talking about chinese parents. I've heard from some people, if you're a chinese, no matter how good you are you will find it very difficult to get into the state teams, much less the national team. Its stuff like that that's killing football around here - politics and connections are more important than real footballing skills.

that 1 i didnt agree..coz 4 me..the reason y so little chinese playing football is because they not attract to play it..chinese as far as i know and see, love to play other sports such as basketball,badminton ,squash..even in school,we can see that these situation are really happen,if malay they rather to play football,hockey,takraw, for indian,football,hockey,100meter,200 meter, and other that fall in that category(acara balapan),for chinese like the thing i stated above..chinese i realize they start to fall in love with football when the futsal was introduced..but still in small majority

we will hav to chance to see whether foriegn do make the diff or not during the up coming AFF cup. i will use our down south neighbour as the guide.

yup..we have to wait and c our squad perform for the AFF, hope it improved.i hope malaysian will earn some point,not going home empty handed..
by the way
this is the latest ranking of our traditional enemy
137 -Thailand
153 -Indonesia
111 -Singapore
pretty shocking,singapore is very well among south east asia ranking..

This post has been edited by wanz_delpiero: Jan 11 2007, 04:32 PM

where malaysia stand???

malaysia is on 152..
for other
171 -Philippines
172 -Vietnam
174 -Cambodia
175 -Brunei Darussalam
154 -Myanmar
151 -Laos

This post has been edited by wanz_delpiero: Jan 11 2007, 04:48 PM

FAM :" at least we are above vietnam.."

Aren't 99% of football acemdemies run by Malays?

i voted for no foreign players. not fun anymore watching non malaysian playing or even winning for us. sure u win, but can u really gloat. watching spore makes me laugh. how can u gloat when all u did was wave money to sum players who can't make it into their own country team n win. i wud feel embarrassed. dunno bout the others. well i guess i u're a glory hunter, then u wudnt mind

i am against 'NATURALISED' foreign players who dun have anything to do with the country. but i dun mind players who have connection with this country. like mum/dad from msia or born in msia (shaun maloney case). at least, there is a bit of msian blood in them

totally agree with u dude. i tell u, if u go overseas and play with msian students studying there (UK/US/AUSIE), you will definitely find lots of talented youngsters whom no doubt be able to get into the youth team vr easily. they are not prepared to become professional in Msia bcoz the system in Malaysia does not look after them well after their retirement. they wudnt wanna take that risk unless the system is changed in Malaysia

are there proof to this statement? i am anxious to know. as far as i know, players who are good n willing to give their full commitment wud b choosen. we are not in the state of having the luxury of choosing who we want to develop.
dun tell me jz bcoz he failed 1 trial n then he start this rumor. that is jz crap. i have a friend who have been attending numerous trials here n there n didnt get picked. he got his break 1 yr when coach irfan bakti choose him to play with Telekom Malacca. n he gets his reward ever since. been an important player to the team up til now.

If our team coach by SAF, JM, AW and RB at the same time also cannot beat the Thai

FIFA started sliding down a slippery hill the moment they allowed Brazilians to play for Japan.

i do agree with u. my cousin attended a try-out. he was NOT even noticed by the ppl there as they wanted to try the Malays out instead of the chinese players. and when he got on, he got off after 5 minutes....how do u judge a player in 5 minutes? we walked off without asking la...utter hopelessness..hope some chinese trainees could tell their experiences as well

I don't know if I'm gonna get knocked by u guys but I say no to foreign players because it is about national pride. I'd rather see our Indian, Malay and Chinese brothers, born Malaysian, huffed and puffed in a football match rather than seeing some Johnny Foreigners who do not have Malaysia at heart having a kickabout.

We were feared back in the 60's, 70's and the early 80's to a certain extent. All that with local born players. So what's changed? Answers on a postcard...to FAM of course.

i wont watch malaysia play unless they win if i am being honest cuz otherwise, i rather NOT watch. no offence but once we reach a level where we can win on our own, stop foreign imports..otherwise pay ronaldo a billion ringgit to play for us for a start

i think we should bang the teachers?

so who is the security guard? as far as i know, the top-tier players are called professionals. full professionals which wud mean they need to b committed to their training. like any other normal work which demands u to fully concentrate on 1 work. l wud u b able to get another work if u r working 9-5

on the 2nd issue, it might be present. but it depends on ur location. my school at the centre of kl, team dominated by malays but got a chinese as a captain. we din mind at all. as long as there was cooperation+togetherness, dun think problems cud arise.

i think the teachers who wud not have a look at chinese players are not exposed to lots of good chinese players. fortunately for me, i've known quite handful of them n are happy to play with them. heck, if they're gud enuff, i'd b glad if they'd want to join my team. even my team in ausie atm have lots of chinese playing alongside me.

p/s: dun think scouts are biased towards malays onli. seen lots of indian players around as well.

mind ur word idiot...u are giving stupid+retards+racist remarks...

sports in malaysia is not bright because of the stupid management...except badminton, hockey and squash...

don't blame the chinese parents!!!

sports is not a guanrantee career in malaysia except the 3 i mention, also because we consider 'good' at international level...and thus got government massive supports...

hey everybodi..cool down a lil bit ya...i create this thread for all of us to discuss wether we need the foreign or not..not to bang each other..if u want to talk about racist go to the RWI la..hope this thread clean with racial issues...

we can still discuss about each races contiribution on football,but not to blame other..

This post has been edited by wanz_delpiero: Jan 12 2007, 09:49 AM

It still not the end of the world even if our national team doesn't excel at international level. But to take drastic measure such as using foreign player is not helping us in the long term. Let us Ah Meng, Muthu, Ali represent OUR country not Nwanko Kono or Alox (not real name).

the problem is still down to mentality of the players and also the management,

we might get a strong team now (if we get the right foreign players), but what will happen when the bunch of foreign players retires ?

we start the loop again ?

nope...we ask the sports minister to buy some more again la..heheh
sure they got a lot of money..since the able to build sports excellence centre in loondon..

for the poll, i say NO.

i actually can't agree with the words that Chinese aren't allowed to play state and national football because of politics and claim that the sport is 'owned' and managed by the Malays. what a lame reason. people who say that are the ones who don't really follow or never watch Malaysian football at all.

as far as i know, Chinese and others like Indians have all been given fair and equal chances with Malays to play for the state and national teams. the reason why Malays are monopolizing the sport is because many of them are willing to give up other jobs or commitments. their parents are supporting them. but i can also see a very good number of other races especially Indians who play full time and managed to get into the top teams and the national squad itself.

it's actually not about races at all, but rather depends on individual's preference. won't blame some or maybe most of the Chinese parents for disallowing their kids to fully commit to football career, coz that's their own choice, their rights. so please stop pointing ur fingers to the Malays or any other races.

fully agreed on u..good comment
lets kick racist out of our football.

This post has been edited by wanz_delpiero: Jan 12 2007, 12:56 PM

its because of the state of the current condition the football league is now in, that is why most chinese people stay away from it. can you seriously make a living out of it?

no offense to the chinese or other people. chinese people typically plan for the future and not for the moment, hence they prefer to go into business or more stable jobs (where pay is guranteed every month). not to say that the other people dont plan at all la.

most of the state team or clubs team have to depend on FAM to bail them out or wait for FAM financial aid and such. there is even news report that players have not been paid for months.

how are you going to survive? especially so when those footballers have families to support?

i totally agreed with u that comment..1 of the example is Chelsea Malaysia(MPPJ)..they spend a lot,pay a higher salaries to the player,give each player a car to drive and what happen in the end..they unable to pay for all that,some player dont receive their salaries for few month..bikin malu saja..

yup. true enuff. the system doesnt necessarily guarantee a really bright future for them.

but i think the main issue ripper trying to bring up was not y chinese wudnt play at M-league. it really was the accusations that Malays are being 'pilih kasih' or 'pilih bulu' with each other which is obviously not true. or else, there wudn be lots of established indian players around.

Got to agree with the ripper and Rocko. It's not about race preference, far from it. Malays choose football for a living, so do some Indians. Why are there so little Chinese? I think it is because they choose not to. They want to be in a job they think is secure for the long term. Footballers have a short career, so they might think it is best not to do it for a living.

All in all it is about what we choose to do. I think there are many talented Chinese players. When u are good, u are good, simple as.

seems that kcng didn't get of what i said. but thanx Rocko and king_z for the explanation.

it's becoming a trend now to have foreigners playing for the national team. not against the rule but in my view, it's something that shouldn't be done at all. we're not Singapore that probably has a very limited number of new talents, mainly because of the small population.

even if we do that, i don't really think it'll make a huge improvement to the national team. we're not gonna be able to attract top players who could make a big difference.. unless we're as rich as the wealthy Arab nations of course. Alex of Japan is a good player but there're actually many 'real' Japanese who play a lot better than him.

This post has been edited by theripper: Jan 13 2007, 01:32 AM

nakamura is a better player than alex and playing abroad somemore. This is just one of many true japs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Foreign_Talent_Scheme

that explains why there's so many foreigners in Singapore :/

See , nowadays certain types of male youth are vain and lazy .

they think they are clever and glamourous becasue they stood in bangsar cafe and cheered MU in front of a big screen with 200 other asshoules .

And they think they were a ' star ' . star my lan , nobody even noticed they were alive except their gay little mothers .

I mean , hell if you want to be a footballer, regionally the standard is not that high at all !

In my bacth at school in SG , one guy I played with ended up in the EPL with 3 different teams !! And he was far from the best player in my school , far from it .
So , if someone cannot get in here , then get his ass and move it to HK , China etc . Can still be a very very good living .

It's not as if you are taking shiet wages for a dirty job like construction .

I mean WTF , in the past we could produce great great players like Wong Chun wah , Soh Chin aun , Yip Chee keong - guys who would have walked in to any EPL team bar the top 4 .

Why is it that only 25 years ago we are so good and now we are so shiet ?

It's not lack of $ , not lack of chances ( though you have to be creative ), not lack knowledge . So where are we to look ???

Blame God ?? today's lot somehow genetically defective ?

Bullshieet , there must be a logical reason ,why not look at their own evironment , may find some clues there .

Admission of responsibilty and failure is the 1st road to recovery

But NO ,they dare to get angry when you tell them the facts straight .

How to improve like this , Good , keep it up , that's what we want , go back to Bangsar.

So who was that guy?

Dunno... he sound very p**s off man.

Mark Brennan , he's a kwai loh . goggle him .

Ex man city / bolton / ipswich

I played with him and against him in inter class matches , and he was my opossite number , don't want to sound as if I am special but I used to beat him quite a few times .

No big deal really , I wasn't the best there either but top 25-30% .

His brother and many other players were much better than him , they never ever made it to the pros .
Like I say , fooball is same as any other industry who you know , who you are , where you go , how smart ( sneaky ) you are counts a lot , sometimes more than real talent.

So you see , the guys you see on screen are not necesarily the best we can get , many many more would not have got there because their balls licking was ot good , their parents not smart enough to push them to the right areas .

Therefore there is still a lot of chance for todays youth if they want to make it as a footballer but as said they have no gumption / balls / clue to even make enquiries to get on the right track . Their families are also the same , stuck in 1980 , when football was not lucrative , now even a guy in HK can make a good living just playing a game . Real dumb .

If memory serves me correctly, didnt FIFA set up some new regulations concerning foregners playing for other national teams, in light of the Ewerthon wanting to play some Mid-East contury issue?

There are problems concerning the future of football in our country. Parents obviously didnt want their kids to get too involved in sports, coz it doesnt bring in the dough(true for all race I might add). Kids also seemed 'weaker' compared to 10 years ago, where all they want is to hang out, play PS and skateboards. State FAs is not that well prepared to scout for young players and nurture their talents in the correct way. And the mother of all is of coz the FAM, with their egos and corruption. And might I add, who do u think select our AFC team, Cikgu Jan or the FAM?

Therefore there is still a lot of chance for todays youth if they want to make it as a footballer but as said they have no gumption / balls / clue to even make enquiries to get on the right track . Their families are also the same , stuck in 1980 , when football was not lucrative , now even a guy in HK can make a good living just playing a game . Real dumb

show me a malaysian league footballer who is doing well now after retiring. not those working as security guards

There was this guy Scott Oleranshaw who played for Sabah a while back... he married some national karate girl... would have been great if he could then play for malaysia!

yeah i remember him
one of the few foreign players who light up the local league.

i still remember how the oposition team defenders have a tough time playing against him

If they are obviously a class higher than any of the current national players(and young), I say, give them Pr and let them play within 6 months.

Sportsmen, at least the world class ones, should be given PR without further questioning. They bring glory to the country.

If they don't qualify for pr however, such as those that has criminal offence, then no, don't let them play.

lamine conteh is good i think he also married to a girl from Malaysia.maybe we can ask him to play for us

too late right ?
tot he played for his country before or at least make it to the final team ?

Chipeta ( Perlis ) & Flor ( Terengganu ) is good player.

lol
might as well the whole national team consist of foreigner except the gk position

lol
i cant recall any foreign goalie except for one white dude who play for kl. tony something if i remember correctly

there is one that i can remember,during 90 selangor has foreign GK..their goal keeper name karel stromsik..do u remember these guy,very good goal keeper i say..

Chipeta and Lamin already played for their country..and Stromsik played for his country for the 82 World Cup..

I'm not a fan of the idea of 'employing' foreigners to play for our country. Sounds kinda like mercenaries to me, playing for money, not pride

well..it could been better if they hire real mercenaries..if they lost,they just bombed the place..
sorry..just joking

Well, the real reason why we are so crappy is bcoz of FAM

100% supports ur comment..
i think better changed the mgmt la..always same new faces..
why not changed to other
especially the president
shuld step down..

p/s: sorry sultan..not meaning to insult ,but our football still not changed under ur adminstration
ampunkan patik tuanku..

Not just the sulatn and his son, the top guys in FAM should also step down. We are tired of ur excuses everytime we fail la Ibrahim Saad and Raja Ahmad..but I dun see them stepping down tho..the people had een complaining for months now about the FAM, but these people in FAM buat bodo jer

FAM is not managed by people who knows football..

FAM is managed by a bunch of fools who only know how to sit on the chair and talk bird..

Put shebby there (or any other proper person with proper knowledge on football) there and see, 5 years, we can own japan and korea.

now ? laos also we can hardly own

Every times i see that ibrahim saad fella i have the urges to kick his face. With his fcuk face and cocky talking like he's some big time football icon legendary man.

i cant stand any of the current FAM people talking..
bunch of cock talkers....

get in real people with real passion man...
and we have a lady as the minister of sports,

and she dont understands nuts about sports