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TSnikki-san
post Apr 26 2016, 06:17 PM, updated 10y ago

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can anyone advise me on the following:

1. must each downlight be connected to a driver ?

2. if either downlight or driver rosak, can i replace using any other different brands of downlight/driver?

3. how does a dimmable downlight works? what are the additional installation required?

4. there is one lighting shop in puchong selling downlights which we can change from yellow light to white light & vice versa using remote control. can also control the brightness/dimmable.
has anyone used this type of downlights before? any comments?

thks a lot
shakku
post Apr 26 2016, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(nikki-san @ Apr 26 2016, 06:17 PM)
can anyone advise me on the following:

1. must each downlight be connected to a driver ?

2. if either downlight or driver rosak, can i replace using any other different brands  of downlight/driver?

3. how does a dimmable downlight works? what are the additional installation required?

4. there is one lighting shop in puchong selling downlights which we can change from yellow light to white light & vice versa using remote control. can also control the brightness/dimmable. 
has anyone used this type of downlights before? any comments?

thks a lot
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1. Yes, unless there's huge driver that can drive multiple downlight. Not sure if this exist, but not difficult to engineer.
Cons? if that driver dies, so as the rest of the LED that are connected to it biggrin.gif

2. Never tried before but it's based on the watts/power rating. If it matches, what brand also can fit.

3. Not all LED can be dimmable. These are digital lights, requiring 0.7V to power up. Some dimmable LED actually have high pulse rate (PWM) that our eyes cannot detect. Low PWM low brightness, High PWN (near DC) high brightness

4. I'm using that. Its actually different LED colors inside the housing. More expensive LED have multicolor spectrum depending on the voltage/current applied.
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post Apr 27 2016, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(nikki-san @ Apr 26 2016, 06:17 PM)
can anyone advise me on the following:

1. must each downlight be connected to a driver ?

2. if either downlight or driver rosak, can i replace using any other different brands  of downlight/driver?

3. how does a dimmable downlight works? what are the additional installation required?

4. there is one lighting shop in puchong selling downlights which we can change from yellow light to white light & vice versa using remote control. can also control the brightness/dimmable. 
has anyone used this type of downlights before? any comments?

thks a lot
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1. Yes.
2. Theoretically can.
3. The 1 that I use now do not have any additional installation.
4. I am using this. Work like a champ. http://www.m3asia.com/index.php?route=prod...1&product_id=98
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post Apr 27 2016, 02:19 PM

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i got a set from m3asia also. still using, 3 years and counting. bought the remote control and group the bulbs also. but mine is only from white to yellow, no color color 1.
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post Apr 27 2016, 03:26 PM

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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Apr 27 2016, 10:21 AM)
1. Yes.
2. Theoretically can.
3. The 1 that I use now do not have any additional installation.
4. I am using this. Work like a champ. http://www.m3asia.com/index.php?route=prod...1&product_id=98
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Any idea how much per bulb and remote from m3asia?
TSnikki-san
post Apr 27 2016, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Apr 27 2016, 10:21 AM)
1. Yes.
2. Theoretically can.
3. The 1 that I use now do not have any additional installation.
4. I am using this. Work like a champ. http://www.m3asia.com/index.php?route=prod...1&product_id=98
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thks for the info..but still unsure of Q2..

btw, is yours led light bulbs? or led downlights?
TSnikki-san
post Apr 27 2016, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(shakku @ Apr 26 2016, 06:34 PM)
1. Yes, unless there's huge driver that can drive multiple downlight. Not sure if this exist, but not difficult to engineer.
Cons? if that driver dies, so as the rest of the LED that are connected to it  biggrin.gif

2. Never tried before but it's based on the watts/power rating. If it matches, what brand also can fit.

3. Not all LED can be dimmable. These are digital lights, requiring 0.7V to power up. Some dimmable LED actually have high pulse rate (PWM) that our eyes cannot detect. Low PWM low brightness, High PWN (near DC) high brightness

4. I'm using that. Its actually different LED colors inside the housing. More expensive LED have multicolor spectrum depending on the voltage/current applied.
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thks for the info..but my Q2 still no confirmed answer yet..

can share a pix of yr led downlights n where did u buy them?

thks

This post has been edited by nikki-san: Apr 27 2016, 09:33 PM
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post Apr 27 2016, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(nikki-san @ Apr 26 2016, 06:17 PM)
can anyone advise me on the following:

1. must each downlight be connected to a driver ?

2. if either downlight or driver rosak, can i replace using any other different brands  of downlight/driver?

3. how does a dimmable downlight works? what are the additional installation required?

4. there is one lighting shop in puchong selling downlights which we can change from yellow light to white light & vice versa using remote control. can also control the brightness/dimmable. 
has anyone used this type of downlights before? any comments?

thks a lot
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1. Yes, every LED downlight comes with its own driver. These driver usually quite poor quality and won't last as long as the LED itself.

2. Yes you can but make sure wattage is the same.
3. There are many different ways. One is a 240v where you install before the driver. Another type is DC where you install after the driver. Another type is the driver itself got dimming function plus remote.
4. Usually got 3 colour temperatures to select - 3000k, 4000k, 6500k. I would recommend this type of LED as you can choose what colour you want. Just make sure other lights like your LED strip lights got this function too.
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post Apr 28 2016, 09:13 AM

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QUOTE(voonmingloo @ Apr 27 2016, 03:26 PM)
Any idea how much per bulb and remote from m3asia?
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After discount is RM 8+ if I can recall correctly.

QUOTE(nikki-san @ Apr 27 2016, 09:29 PM)
thks for the info..but still unsure of Q2..

btw, is yours led light bulbs? or led downlights?
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Is a LED bulb with E27 head.
Btw, what is the different between blub and downlight. Downlight is also a bulb, right?
shakku
post Apr 28 2016, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Apr 28 2016, 09:13 AM)
After discount is RM 8+ if I can recall correctly.
Is a LED bulb with E27 head.
Btw, what is the different between blub and downlight. Downlight is also a bulb, right?
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Different. The downlight designed for bulb has reflectors in it and have narrow light spread.

Pure LED downlight (flat surface) has full 180 degree spread.

If you noticed that bulb in downlight (hole) has dark shadows at the top of wall and ceiling, while LED flat has zero shadows.
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QUOTE(shakku @ Apr 28 2016, 11:11 AM)
Different. The downlight designed for bulb has reflectors in it and have narrow light spread.

Pure LED downlight (flat surface) has full 180 degree spread.

If you noticed that bulb in downlight (hole) has dark shadows at the top of wall and ceiling, while LED flat has zero shadows.
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The bulb is exactly like in this link
http://www.m3asia.com/index.php?route=prod...1&product_id=98

So, consider as bulb or downlight?
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post Apr 28 2016, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Apr 28 2016, 11:29 AM)
The bulb is exactly like in this link
http://www.m3asia.com/index.php?route=prod...1&product_id=98

So, consider as bulb or downlight?
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You're confused.
Downlight is the housing.
Bulb is bulb (E14, E27 etc)


The link that you posted is LED designed to fit into the old E27 downlight casing. The LED driver heat sink are in there.
Bad thing about it is that if that LED "bulb" spoil, you have to replace whole thing, not just driver.


The newer LED downlight is flat (square or round) with driver outside of the casing.

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TSnikki-san
post Apr 28 2016, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(steven789 @ Apr 27 2016, 09:46 PM)
1. Yes, every LED downlight comes with its own driver. These driver usually quite poor quality and won't last as long as the LED itself.

2. Yes you can but make sure wattage is the same.
3.  There are many different ways. One is a 240v where you install before the driver. Another type is DC where you install after the driver. Another type is the driver itself got dimming function plus remote.
4.  Usually got 3 colour temperatures to select - 3000k, 4000k, 6500k. I would recommend this type of LED as you can choose what colour you want. Just make sure other lights like your LED strip lights got this function too.
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thks steven..

1. if driver usually poor quality, then i wud hv to keep replacing it. i better buy some spare drivers to keep then.. is it easy to replace a driver all by myself?

4. any recommended brands for led lights with the 3 color temperatures all in one led light? where can i purchase them?
TSnikki-san
post Apr 28 2016, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(shakku @ Apr 28 2016, 11:35 AM)
You're confused.
Downlight is the housing.
Bulb is bulb (E14, E27 etc)
The link that you posted is LED designed to fit into the old E27 downlight casing. The LED driver heat sink are in there.
Bad thing about it is that if that LED "bulb" spoil, you have to replace whole thing, not just driver.
The newer LED downlight is flat (square or round) with driver outside of the casing.

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hi shakku

eerrr..the led pix u posted..is tat white squarish thingy the driver? is the driver removable or does it comes together with the led light?

if driver is not removable, then if either led or driver rosak, i hv to replace the whole thing, right?
shakku
post Apr 29 2016, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(nikki-san @ Apr 28 2016, 10:08 PM)
hi shakku

eerrr..the led pix u posted..is tat white squarish thingy the driver?  is the driver removable or  does it comes together with the led light?

if driver is not removable, then if either led or driver rosak, i hv to replace the whole thing, right?
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The driver is removable. Either with screwdriver or pull out (connection like standard charger).

If you want to have peace of mind, i highly suggest you to get OEM brands like Osram/Phillips.
Few years back, you can only get from China/Taiwan made LEDs.
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QUOTE(shakku @ Apr 28 2016, 11:35 AM)
You're confused.
Downlight is the housing.
Bulb is bulb (E14, E27 etc)
The link that you posted is LED designed to fit into the old E27 downlight casing. The LED driver heat sink are in there.
Bad thing about it is that if that LED "bulb" spoil, you have to replace whole thing, not just driver.
The newer LED downlight is flat (square or round) with driver outside of the casing.

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Ow, this is the down light you all are referring to.
I am confuse with the conventional down light which also need to install a separate bulb in it. tongue.gif
TSnikki-san
post Apr 29 2016, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(shakku @ Apr 29 2016, 08:55 AM)
The driver is removable. Either with screwdriver or pull out (connection like standard charger).

If you want to have peace of mind, i highly suggest you to get OEM brands like Osram/Phillips.
Few years back, you can only get from China/Taiwan made LEDs.
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noted with thks shakku..

preferably an easily removable driver without the need to use srcrewdriver..
coz gotta get a ladder to reach the high ceiling. if still hv to use screwdriver whilst standing on top of the ladder, possibility of falling down is high !

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post May 2 2016, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(nikki-san @ Apr 29 2016, 09:16 PM)
noted with thks shakku..

preferably an easily removable driver without the need to use srcrewdriver..
coz gotta get a ladder to reach the high ceiling.  if still hv to use screwdriver whilst standing on top of the ladder, possibility of falling down is high !
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Don't forget that LED down light that I posted requires you to pull out the whole assembly for changing.

Unlike the conventional bulb E27, you just need to unscrew the bulb.
Plus, if the whole LED damaged and beyond repair, you need to replace the housing.
And after 3 years down the road, hopefully you can find the same LED housing... unless you bought few to spare biggrin.gif

There's pros and cons in everything ya but so far am using for 2 years no issue (fantas brand from taiwan)

 

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