That's the exact model in my mind...

Normal usage. Just kind of pissed of with my current slow system and want to minimise 'wait'...

Excellent... Now I am thinking of either 250GB or 500GB. 250GB is more than what I need. But if 500GB can use for some large file storage that need faster read time

This post has been edited by chanhin: Apr 25 2016, 01:19 AM

Normal use...

You don't even need an i7 - heck you don't even need a PCI-E SSD.

Unless if your needs call for lots of I/O performance (generally virtual machines) - getting a PCI-E SSD is pretty much showing off big benchmark scores rather than tangible benefits.

If your machine is a HDD-based system, a SATA based SSD will improve your machine overall responsiveness, even if the board is not SATA III capable.


For average users - the priorities when choosing a SSD goes something like this:

Capacity > Performance = Reliability (about the same priority as performance)


Most mainstream SSDs should give you decent boost in terms of responsiveness. My friend has a SSD-based gaming machine (which I built, with a 840 EVO SSD) and the machine remains very responsive even with multiple startup programs.

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Apr 25 2016, 02:23 AM

Thanks for sharing...

If you're trying to break nerd record, it probably matters as opposed to having a standard SSD.

But if you're just booting up your PC to type a Word document, or play Steam games, a few miliseconds faster makes zero real-world difference.

It would make a greater difference if you saved that PCIe SSD money and spend it to take your GF to Tioman or something.

Guys, just let him decide lar

As I've said earlier, it all depends on your wallet, if your wallet is thick enough, go for NVME
If not, just go for normal SSD will do

Some people think RM1500 for a 512GB SSD is too expensive
Some people think it's just a small amount for a decent upgrade

I on the other hand got the 950 Pro for free so it really doesn't matter LOL

It's true we should let him decide what he going to buy, but like chocobo7779 said for normal use a normal SATA SSD is fast enough. For example my Samsung 840 Evo boots in 7 seconds. Cold boot at that

But since he argue that from 10 second to 7 seconds means 30% improvement which well worth it, but on the flipside 3 seconds for 3x the price is...well I would rather buy something else with that money.

Hahaha... But from the members comments here the improvement is much more than 1 second...

Now I am thinking if I should buy 256GB or 512GB.

If buy 256GB PCIe SSD, it will be used solely for drive C. Then buy another 4TB WD blue as Drive D. And if later need faster speed for large file access, can buy another 512GB or 1TB SATA SSD.
If buy 512GB PCIe SSD, I will also buy 4TB WD as Drive D. Then when I need faster large file loading, I will put into Drive C with the 512GB PCIe SSD. But worry about the SSD life span.

Well... FYI my current desktop is 9 years old core 2 system with DDR2 and as you expected, slow boot up and application loading. I am kind of tired of waiting... In Hokkien, we said TL in waiting...

Some more member here mentioned for booting windows alone, the PCIe SSD is actually faster more than 2x as compare to SATA based...

Now left one component unknown... The CPU cooler... It seems all the coolers that I used to know like large Zalman no longer sold... Any good recommendation for cooler? Requirement is rather simple and practical;

(1) Low temperature
(2) Easy to clean (expect cleaning every 3 months)
(3) if possible, low noise...
(4) possible high reliability?

Btw, is it a sin to use stock cooler for i7?

Budget for cooler?

This post has been edited by st4Lk3rz: Apr 27 2016, 11:37 PM

Seriously - that 1 second isn't worth spending megabucks, considering that performance will be only viable on very high I/O loads such as virtual machines (I have ran multiple virtual machines via VMWare Workstation - the high disk usage often becomes the bottleneck)

Half the boot time of a regular SATA based SSD is just not worth it IMHO considering I have been used to deal with minutes of boot time...

For a cheap LGA775 cooler, consider the Hyper TX3 EVO - however please do measure your case for clearance as it might not fit.

You don't even need i7s for regular use - heck even a Celeron can do the trick (seriously). Modern CPUs are way overspecced for small tasks such as word processing and documents.

You can spruce up a cheap Core 2 system with a SSD - I can guarantee you'll never change your machine. I did a SSD upgrade to a Core 2 machine and the difference is just enormous compared to HDDs.

Note that SSD lifespans are very long and they can exceed the lifecycle of a regular PC. Samsung even estimates their 840 EVO can last about 7 years with 20GB of writes per day. I highly doubt that you will reach that amount of writes in a regular computing environment.

Of course - it is always a good idea to buy SSD from a reputable brand. Reputable ones usually use high quality flash memory and controller which should give you good lifespan and performance.

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Apr 27 2016, 11:45 PM

This video shows even a Celeron with a SATA3 SSD will have a much higher responsiveness over an i7 with HDD:



This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Apr 27 2016, 11:42 PM

Flexible. RM400 is okay.

Looking for either i7 6700 or 6700k now... But worry about 6700k temperature...

Why do you still insist of getting a 6700? You don't even need that much CPU performance.

Are you planning to overclock? If no, even a Xeon E3 will do the trick.

You still need to define usage as well - what applications are you plan to run, and how you are going to use them.

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Apr 28 2016, 12:50 AM

Nope.

M.2 is just a connection type.

M.2 storage device comes in 2 flavors - M.2 PCIE or M.2 SATA.

M.2 SATA works exactly like SSD (SATA) while M.2 PCI-E is the fast one, like PCI-E SSD.

You only have to worry about 6700K (or any model) temperature when you're doing overclocking.

6700K even with stock cooler works just fine.

I think you read a lot, super a lot until you have 101 worries.

You don't have to worry about SSD lifespan. You don't have to worry about Core i7-6700K heat either.

That's why I don't like to use % when I talk about performance comparison.

10 seconds to 7 seconds is 30% indeed but in reality that's 2 blinks of an eye, 3 seconds it the amount of time one looks away from the screen and looks back. Certainly not worth spending 3x more.

If so concerned about POWER ON / OFF, might as well leave the computer running 24/7. Can ignore boot time, if idle 24/7 at 40W also costs less than RM 10.

Since you are using for normal usage, i5 will do. save money if you can. As for SSD, SATA will do the job just fine. What I can recommend is buy Samsung 850 Evo SSD. There's a reason why Samsung SSD a bit expensive compared to others. Owned Samsung 840 Evo SSD on laptop and Samsung 840 Eco SSD on PC and both performed well. The speed is fast enough and just nice. Afraid that if you using faster SSD, your brain can't keep up with the speed and later you become blur what to do since everything so fast.

For that budget, I'd suggest you to go with AIO liquid cooling
AIO liquid cooling provides much more benefits over huge-ass air cooling

With AIO liquid cooling, you will get these:
1. Bigger headroom for you to work around the CPU
2. No "motherboard bending" issue
3. Less dust in the casing
4. Depending on the model that you're buying, stable idle & load temperatures
5. No worries about the heatsink breaking the motherboard when you move the computer around

Eh the dust in casing ultimately depends on casing airflow, positive vs negative.

The AIO radiator no matter how is still attached to any of the casing fan area.

Amount of dust going in still same.

Well... My last system last me 9 years... This new desktop should easily last me 6 years at least.

Most of the time I do not need high processing power. However, when I do, I need to run for full speed for few hours to about 1 week. If CPU is 20% faster, I think I can save 20% time. It is important when I am running simulation where I can see the result faster.

CORE I5 6600 (4C/4T) RM 928
CORE I5 6600K (4C/4T) RM 991
CORE I7 6700 (4C/8T) RM 1272
CORE I7 6700K (4C/8T) RM 1431

IMO, 6600k and 6700k with differences of less than RM500 is not much since I am going to use it for many years. Not to mention I am willing to invest around RM400 for a cooler.

Thus for long run + expensive cooler, i7 seems the way to go...

Any recommendation? Reliability come first of course.