Do you plan to overclock? If no - then there's no point going with a K series chip.

Save yourself some money and get a 6700/Xeon E3 and put the money elsewhere, such as a SSD/CPU cooler.

There's no such thing as futureproofing - the only thing you can futureproof is the PSU and the case, but that can be changing over time.

I see you are running some form of simulation - mind telling which simulation?

If you are talking about reliable CPU fans - your best choice is an industrial-grade fan:

http://noctua.at/en/nf-f12-industrialppc-3000-pwm

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Apr 29 2016, 12:39 AM

In fact - the CPU has multiple thermal protection mechanisms to protect the chip itself from damage due to overheating.

It is nearly impossible for users to damage a CPU by excessive heat..

We are not living in Pentium 4/Athlon generation anymore...

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Apr 29 2016, 12:41 AM

that noctua 3krpm pwm fan is very loud at full speed. (1x is already loud enough; i have 2x; it's no joke) you need a fan controller to slow them down. imo 2krpm pwm ppc is better.

You have two option:
1) You can buy highest spec you can afford and stick with it for 5+ years.
2) Buy according to your requirement now and save the money for future upgrade later.

I guess you are no 1 type. Since you have the budget, you should know what to buy. Just don't forget to balance between MOBO, RAM, GPU and PSU.

Note that futureproofing is not throwing lots of money and expecting it to stick for years:



Conversely you don't buy cheap hardware in a sense that you can always upgrade later - that is not futureproof as well.

Essentially the point of this video is to buy the hardware you need to fit the needs now, not at a later time.


An analogy would be something like this:

Imagine you want to buy a fast car - would you rather

1. Buy a fast car at stock, or

2. Buy a slower one, and upgrade them with turbos and other mods down the road?


Naturally you won't choose option 2 because it just not make sense - if you want a fast car now why would you buy a slower one and upgrade it in the future?

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Apr 29 2016, 01:03 AM

it's not about futureproofing. it's rather more on desire. lot's of people buy stuff for desire not thinking about futureproofing. I believe satisfaction is above anything. Some people want the highest spec even they don't need it. It just they feel the satisfaction of owning it. you can use the video as guidance but doesn't mean you have to follow it exactly. you'll never know what will happen in the future.

btw, you can't compare car with pc. it's totally different. adding turbo or mods is different thing. else if you mention on changing with new engine sound more relevant.

I suggest go for 512gb 950 pro m.2 pcie. Dont buy 256gb. Few games installed and thats it full. for me i 512gb m.2 pcie for c drive and apps. And a 512gb sata ssd like evo for movies and data on secondary drive. Put in together i7 6600k and a 32gb ram ddr4 with a gtx1080 8gb. Its just perfect will last you at least 5 years, you have enough vitamin c hehe

This post has been edited by Vannus: Apr 29 2016, 07:07 AM

Guys,

Really thanks for so many advises. It open my mind with more directions...

No reasons for me to overclocks;

(1) I hate high temperature
(2) The most OC can gain is 10%? 20%? When there are needs for faster speed (maybe 5 years later), why not get new system that at least 2x as fast. Due to works, I am more familiar with servers and had I used lots of servers (mainly Linux/Unix) for the past 10 years with heavy processing and found similar priced servers improve 2x to 3x every 3 years. After 5 years, new servers can make old one look stupid, end up no choices to dispose as space is $$$. I assume desktop might has similar improvement rate as now all processors are solely Intel domain.

The simulation that take time is for experimental DSP for audio and imaging. The early codes that full of debugging info are very inefficient during proof of concepts and very slow. And usually are single threaded.

I was thinking of that brand... really loud? Hmm... Any suggestion on not too loud type?

If follow this direction, I will get RM1400 6700k (will start with underclock and undervoltage in order to get my desired temperature) + RM400 noctua. Over time will increase the speed... Not sure if it really make sense...

or 6700 without k better?

Initially I was thinking on Rm1200 6700 without the K + RM400 noctua

But I like your idea. It seems I should just buy what I need to use now? RM472 i3 6100 + using free stock fans? I think it might actually sufficient and should be faster than my i5 Laptop. You guys aware desktop processors are way faster than laptop right?

Good motherboard -> I am thinking of RM800 GIGABYTE Z170X GAMING 3. Well, I am not even gamer and not planning to have graphic card for start. But I like the board.. Haha
Sufficient RAM -> 2x Value 16GB = 32GB - If one spoilt and under warranty, the other one is sufficient for me without interruption.
Fast Drive C -> Rm860 SSD PCI-E 256GB - It will allow me to get insane boot time and application load time as compare to current mechanical HDD. Finally I can get rid of "wait... wait... wait..."

Then in coming 2 or 3 years... 2018 maybe... and upgrade to the fastest CPU that time (another 40% faster than 6700k?) for socket 1151 + invest on good fans. Budget RM2k for upgrade later. Make sense? It is based on assumption Intel will produce faster processor for 1151. 10nm core maybe?

Here is the current price from C-Zone;
CORE I3 6100 (2C/4T) RM472
CORE I5 6400 (4C/4T) RM758
CORE I5 6500 (4C/4T) RM827
CORE I5 6600 (4C/4T) RM928
CORE I5 6600K (4C/4T) RM991
CORE I7 6700 (4C/8T) RM1272
CORE I7 6700K (4C/8T) RM1431

So if that's the plans? What's the suggestion on getting first processor? i3 6100? i5 6400?

If this is the plan, does it make sense that I should go for i3 because in 3 years time, I am going to dispose it. Thus should not invest so much. Rm472 is still ok.

Or I should just get 6700 without k + RM400 noctua? Then when I need faster performance in the future (5 years?), just get new system that offer at least 2x as fast? I assume 5 years later will have DDR5 that time with PCI express v 4 + SATA5. So even with SATA (v5), SSD is fast enough.

Well.... Basically I am pretty much decided on other components except on the processor... Abit ding-dong here and there.

I have laptop and desktop (windows based) for years... My drive C (OS + application) always use less than 100GB. Well, I dun install much and I am not really gamers.. Not planning to get graphic card as well for start.

Thus I think the Samsung 950 pro 256GB is more than sufficient.
Since the mboard of my choice has 2x M.2, maybe in the future when these SSD is cheaper in 3 years time, I will get another one. Who know RM1k can buy 1TB PCIe? And make it new Drive D.

This post has been edited by chanhin: Apr 30 2016, 01:08 AM

seriously, u need to specify what application will u be using. list it down. it would help much to determine the suitable setup for your need. be specific. don't just say normal use.

If that's the case - you don't even need a K series chip. A Skylake-based Xeon E3 will do the trick just fine, however please do check with the motherboard manufacturer for compatibility.

Nowadays CPU performance increment are getting smaller due to a lack of competition in the x86 CPU market (note: AMD has been pretty absent in the high-end CPU market) and the technical limitations of silicon and transistors. Intel is now trying to focus on power efficiency and performance increment via new instructions (i.e. AVX2 can be quite a bit faster than AVX when used properly: see http://forums.pcsx2.net/Thread-Comparing-G...SSE4-1-AVX-AVX2 )

This is no longer the Pentium/Core 2 generation where every CPU iteration gives you massive performance boost anymore.

See http://arstechnica.com/information-technol...dead-this-time/



1. Single-threaded simulation - Please tell your company to consider rewrite the engine to use multiple cores, as a badly coded program can cripple even the most powerful systems.

Of course, this is not always a viable option since rewriting the whole program takes too much time and money.

Why bother undervolting? You are running a CPU-intensive task. Reducing the voltage will impact the stability and performance of the simulation. Do not worry about CPU overheating - modern CPUs are very good at protecting themselves from overheating.

All you need is to invest on cooling.

I do not recommend you to buy cheap hardware just to upgrade to a better one later - that is a waste of money. See my previous car analogy for explanation.




Don't bother with those 'gaming' class boards - unless if you are overclocking (which demands better VRMs). If you want reliability - go with a server class board:

http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon3000/

They can be pretty costly though.

Good amount of RAM, especially simulation can be RAM intensive.



Unfortunately, you can't. No matter how fast the hardware, you cannot eliminate wait times. There's always bottleneck in the firmware, I/O scheduling and the underlying software code. Essentially you'll need an infinitely fast hardware with infinitely well optimized software.



Not going to happen in the near future, considering Samsung has a huge market share on NVMe SSDs. It's also worth mentioning that price drops are close to non-existence in our local SSD market (due to currency weakness)

Vague as you need to define on which programs. Same CPU can have very different performance on different programs, depending on the CPU architecture and the coding of the program itself. 40% gains in CPU performance is highly unlikely right now unless there is a major breakthrough in silicon and transistor technology. Of course, the developers need to write proper code to take advantage of the new CPU instructions as well.

Again, buy what you need now, not in the future.

This post has been edited by chocobo7779: Apr 30 2016, 01:57 AM

chanhin, you can check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMvBQoU82_8 (note that in the video it's only one fan; so to use 3krpm ppc fans you need a fan controller)

imo 2krpm ppc is better in terms of noise level, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZkW3tmuyWM (again, you use fan controller to adjust noise level accordingly)

as for your expectation to upgrade to a much faster mainstream cpu with the same mobo in 3 years, well, lie chocobo7779 pointed out, intel focus on power efficiency (cpu speed is kind of staying the same for several generations already) also, i think the cpu socket for future cpu will change most likely, hence incompatible to skylake cpu.

imo you should just go for whatever highest that you feel comfortable. if you go for xeon, check if the cpu has built-in igpu, if not you need a descrete gpu.

Bro, thanks for the tips. Really appreciate it.

This is a good statement.
But even I dun need 950 pro, but siok to have also consider buy what we need right? Well.. We buy to make us happy.

THanks for sharing. When see the fans going high RPM make me unconfortable..

I always like processor like 6700T with low power.

Btw, can we buy 6700T in Malaysia?

No - they are OEM only.

Don't worry about high RPM - fans won't die from sustained high RPM.

THanks for the info.

Btw, it seems for PCIe SSD, the Samsung 950 Pro M.2 seems no competition in term of both performance and price. Looks like clear winner to me.

Some PCIe SSD M.2 just half of the speed of what Samsung offer, but same price.. While some similar performance, but triple the price... Crazy...

yeah that noise hehe noctua fans has 6-year warranty btw.

for now yeah 950 pro is the best that we can get.

later this year we have another oem sku from samsung, sm961. that one has 3.2kMB/s seq. read and 1.8kMB/s seq. write (max capacity is 1tb) by 2017 i think we will have the retail equivalent.

Life is making us smile right?

I suspect most consumer system do not have dedicated highend RAID card. Maybe just use software RAID?

Thanks guy. I finally bought my new system;

i7 6700 with Hyper 212X
Gigabyte Gaming 3 - I was thinking of Gaming 7 for its HDMI 2.0. But later gave up as I thought just matter of time I will get a graphic card that has HDMI 2.0.
32GB RAM - Should be sufficient for now
Samsung 950 Pro 256GB - Really fast man... No jokes. I learn that not all SSD are built the same
Window 10.1

So far so good. Whole system damn silent... I can hardly tell if it is on.

haha, you sure buy for your happiness as your spec doesnt show that you're a normal user, but still, your money anyway

I saw some system in the shop with the gigantic D14 heatsink installed. It was crazy... And those expensive graphic card one can reach RM3k... crazy... My standard... use built in one enough...

This post has been edited by chanhin: May 7 2016, 01:38 AM