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TSklow
post Apr 14 2016, 02:07 PM, updated 10y ago

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Does anyone have encountered this?

My air-con caught fire in the earlier morning of Sunday, luckily no life or large damage. On Monday I contacted Panasonic because this was the second air-con that caught fire in 3 years plus time. I want to know it was device or installation problem.

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post Apr 14 2016, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(klow @ Apr 14 2016, 02:07 PM)
Does anyone have encountered this?

My air-con caught fire in the earlier morning of Sunday, luckily no life or large damage. On Monday I contacted Panasonic because this was the second air-con that caught fire in 3 years plus time. I want to know it was device or installation problem.

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Oh my! I haven't actually encountered any problems like this.
Been using for a couple of years too.

I'd take a bet on installation problem.
The wiring.
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post Apr 14 2016, 02:25 PM

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these may cause of wiring they use not suitable wiring to connect with the aircond.. i remember my friend install aircond for me and he mention about these..we have to redo the wiring again..


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post Apr 14 2016, 02:39 PM

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encountered one time also... bomba came to put out fire...

it could be wiring or/and installation problem.
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QUOTE(klow @ Apr 14 2016, 02:07 PM)
Does anyone have encountered this?

My air-con caught fire in the earlier morning of Sunday, luckily no life or large damage. On Monday I contacted Panasonic because this was the second air-con that caught fire in 3 years plus time. I want to know it was device or installation problem.

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Is it a 1hp power air-con?

Do you use same air-con contractor, or same person for installation?

1 HP = 745.699872 Watts. So not much of current use. Unlike old non-inverter type, no surge current either. Roughly 250V x 4A already 1kW. No need really big wire gauge actually. The problem might be the wire used is joint along the path because it was short. This might be the problem like shown in warning. Not only that. Probably the wires connected to the air-con were not tightened up properly, thus heated up over time. This is more likely the cause. My old Panasonics which I replaced recently probably has been in service for 15 years at least smile.gif
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post Apr 14 2016, 03:34 PM

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It is 2.5hp. My installer used the bi-connector, one is bigger one and the burned one is smaller. Panasonic technicians came to check and said it was the wrong installing method. The wire are ok but not the connector. They will make report to the office about that shop.

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14/04 4pm+ The shop owner's son called and said will send back the fixed indoor unit but is not going to install it for me. This is because I have complaint to Panasonic and Panasonic had called to scold them.

Evening time, the shop owner's son called and said tomorrow morning will install for me.

15/04 At this moment, I also don't know how many time he needs to turn and turn. If he comes to install, I think I better have some device to record on what he says.

Changed to come over at noon, but whole day no showed. Called but not picked up.

16/05 The shop sent the workers around 7pm, brought a letter for us to sign. the letter indicated they will not responsible to anything happened to the installed air-con since we don't want to hack the wall. (This is what I don't want because if hack the wall and redo all the wiring work, it will need to take down the whole plaster ceiling. Got baby in house, it is not suitable to do renovation. Further more, as Panasonic technicians said, just put socket before the air-con will solve the problem.) I said I can sign the letter, but they also need to sign a letter for me. A letter that I have prepared in advance. In the letter, it was written that they will not have any responsibility to this air-con since I don't want to hack the wall but they will have responsibility to other air-con which were installed by them. As I think this is fair and just solve the problem. The worker "stone" awhile and said will tell the boss and will let us know on Monday. The indoor unit is still with them.

Today is Tuesday. . . . . . Really fed up already, I will arrange to get a new air con this afternoon. Thanks Hup Fatt Hing, Damansara Jaya for this kind services.

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post Apr 14 2016, 04:20 PM

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post Apr 14 2016, 04:31 PM

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just name the shop so we can avoid
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post Apr 14 2016, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(klow @ Apr 14 2016, 02:07 PM)
Does anyone have encountered this?

My air-con caught fire in the earlier morning of Sunday, luckily no life or large damage. On Monday I contacted Panasonic because this was the second air-con that caught fire in 3 years plus time. I want to know it was device or installation problem.

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One of the house in my neighborhood had this problem several years ago. The house was quite badly burned.

It seems that the contractor who do the installation uses China made wires which is quite unsafe.
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post Apr 14 2016, 11:33 PM

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Since u all mentioned it could be the wire, so is it confirmed that it is the wire that burnt? And for 3 years time it didnt burn but until today?

From the picture it seem like the aircon itself is burning.. I think can throw this problem to the Panasonic supplier as they might want to clear their good name.
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post Apr 15 2016, 12:12 AM

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Wah so scary. Thanks for sharing this. Really need to be caution about it. Are you keeping any fire extinguisher at home?
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post Apr 15 2016, 09:02 AM

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Call up a lawyer, and sue until the owner shitbrix
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post Apr 15 2016, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(chickenessence @ Apr 14 2016, 11:33 PM)
Since u all mentioned it could be the wire, so is it confirmed that it is the wire that burnt? And for 3 years time it didnt burn but until today?

From the picture it seem like the aircon itself is burning.. I think can throw this problem to the Panasonic supplier as they might want to clear their good name.
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This was the second time in 3 years time, so total two air conditioners. Not Panasonic problem, just the installer.
The Panasonic technician said the connectors that the installer used cause short circuit and melt, eventually will burn the unit. The connectors and wire were hidden behind the indoor unit, it burned the back cover of the indoor unit when the wire short circuit.


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post Apr 15 2016, 11:13 AM

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burn is a severe case . I suggest you to contact me and audit this and lodge a complaint .

A law suit , against this company is necessary for these damages .
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post Apr 15 2016, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(klow @ Apr 14 2016, 07:34 AM)
It is 2.5hp. My installer used the bi-connector, one is bigger one and the burned one is smaller. Panasonic technicians came to check and said it was the wrong installing method. The wire are ok but not the connector. They will make report to the office about that shop.

long story
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Update
14/04 4pm+ The shop owner's son called and said will send back the fixed indoor unit but is not going to install it for me. This is because I have complaint to Panasonic and Panasonic had called to scold them.

Evening time, the shop owner's son called and said tomorrow morning will install for me.

15/04 At this moment, I also don't know how many time he needs to turn and turn. If he comes to install, I think I better have some device to record on what he says.
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what?

They refuse to install becuz kena marah?

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post Apr 15 2016, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Apr 15 2016, 12:03 PM)
what?

They refuse to install becuz kena marah?
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Yesterday evening he changed his mind and said will come over to install it in the morning but now already noon.
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post Apr 15 2016, 12:53 PM

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record all conversations, time and person you spoke to, submit to panasonic after everything done. if not just give panasonic a call and request a change of technician
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post Apr 15 2016, 12:54 PM

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aircon will never burn on fire cause its a cooling machine. Only the wiring will catch fire caught amp not enough and use thin copper cable biggrin.gif

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post Apr 15 2016, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(otua @ Apr 15 2016, 12:53 PM)
record all conversations, time and person you spoke to, submit to panasonic after everything done. if not just give panasonic a call and request a change of technician
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Panasonic technicians already checked with the air-con. They asked the dealer to fix the back cover since it was the dealer installation problem. At the moment it was burned luckily we were there, quickly turned off everything and put out the fire. So only the back cover was burned, electronic parts were checked by panasonic and all still ok. The dealer already taken the indoor unit, just don't know when will it be installed. Anyway, Panasonic already knew this.
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QUOTE(klow @ Apr 14 2016, 03:34 PM)
It is 2.5hp. My installer used the bi-connector, one is bigger one and the burned one is smaller. Panasonic technicians came to check and said it was the wrong installing method. The wire are ok but not the connector. They will make report to the office about that shop.

long story
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Update
14/04 4pm+ The shop owner's son called and said will send back the fixed indoor unit but is not going to install it for me. This is because I have complaint to Panasonic and Panasonic had called to scold them.

Evening time, the shop owner's son called and said tomorrow morning will install for me.

15/04 At this moment, I also don't know how many time he needs to turn and turn. If he comes to install, I think I better have some device to record on what he says.
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U had a very bad experience with the shop

next step, please file case with Tribunal Pengguna

https://ttpm.kpdnkk.gov.my/portal/index.php/my/etribunal

Good luck and if possible keep us update!
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post Apr 17 2016, 02:58 PM

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Can put the name shop here?

By the way, circuit breaker didn't shut off when it is on fire?
Before the incident, did you hear spark sound from the aircon or any sound?
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post Apr 17 2016, 03:07 PM

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Please share the shop name here
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post Apr 17 2016, 06:48 PM

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Yes please list it down the shop, this kind of ***hole really talk only. Hate this kind of people, no responsibility at all.
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post Apr 20 2016, 10:50 AM

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try to hack the wall abit and pull out the wire. probably there's extra up there on top of the plaster ceiling.
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QUOTE(klow @ Apr 15 2016, 09:35 AM)
This was the second time in 3 years time, so total two air conditioners. Not Panasonic problem, just the installer.
The Panasonic technician said the connectors that the installer used cause short circuit and melt, eventually will burn the unit. The connectors and wire were hidden behind the indoor unit, it burned the back cover of the indoor unit when the wire short circuit.
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kalau kedai tu refuse responsibility we at /k/ will do what we do at MAXIS.

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post Apr 24 2016, 01:24 AM

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KUALA LUMPUR: The home of Umno secretary-general Datuk Seri Tengku Adnan Tengku Mansor was damaged in a fire believed to have been caused by a faulty air conditioning unit.

“I was fast asleep when my 15-year-old son (Tengku Muhammad Hafis) woke me up, complaining that the air-conditioning unit in his room was burning. I rushed to his room on the fourth floor to inspect,” said Tengku Adnan.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2011...amaged-in-fire/

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TS should have all the other airconds' wiring checked lo
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post Apr 24 2016, 08:01 AM

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china made wires?

adolph u have experience in this matter, care to share?

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not just china made wires.
got fake wires.
got cheap wires.
got refurbished wires.

yup.
the copper becomes brittle after a while and breaks inside the sleeving causing the still connected copper to carry more current than intended and become hot and melt the plastic sleeving.

installer bundling too many wires inside a single pvc pipe also doesn't help.
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This is actually a very serious case.
Its just fortunate that you're at home when the incident happen. Worst case scenario, your entire house would've been burned down. Would you simply ask the shop to replace the AC unit? Make a tribunal case against these notorious shops. Otherwise, they will continue this practice at other houses. Who knows how many more houses with AC they've installed with those low grade wires.
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could be installer without proper training, even Bangla installer ?
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So any update ts?
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post Apr 25 2016, 08:42 AM

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Yea Panasonic aircond no good. Used for 3yrs have to repair already

Service every year sumore

No more Panasonic aircond next
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post Apr 25 2016, 09:27 AM

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Actually is the wiring problem.

Nowadays ah dog and ah cat can come out to work as air cond technician.
so the quality is losing control already.

Come and contact me for high quality air cond services by sifu with 20+ exp in this industry. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(sometimes @ Apr 24 2016, 02:18 AM)
china made wires?

adolph u have experience in this matter, care to share?

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I understand that there are different grades of wire produced in China and normally those wiring contractors will buy the cheapest grade which is not very safe.

As for the wiring for the air-con, our air-con service contractor did told us the same thing too (I asked him for confirmation and his opinion about this).

When I bought a new house and need to do extra wiring for the lighting, I specifically told that contractor that I don't want China made wire.

I caution my wife's uncle about this and upon checking he found that some of the wiring done to his house by the developer. He get the TNB people to do some inspection and the developer was told to change the wiring by TNB. Luckily, its not those encased in the wall and only a small part of it.

Its not difficult to notice the differences between those wires. Those low quality types are usually small in diameter then those normal types. Smaller in diameter in terms of the number of strands of the copper wires, the plastic casing/sleeves i.e. white, black, blue brown etc is also thinner.

Check harak_84 posting #3. Just keep yourselves informed about this and me extra careful.
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QUOTE(satellitegadget @ Apr 25 2016, 08:42 AM)
Yea Panasonic aircond no good. Used for 3yrs have to repair already

Service every year sumore

No more Panasonic aircond next
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so next aircond you buy what brand?

GLEE from china not bad.
cheap and good.
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post Apr 26 2016, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Apr 26 2016, 02:45 PM)
so next aircond you buy what brand?

GLEE from china not bad.
cheap and good.
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will try daikin biggrin.gif
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post Apr 27 2016, 02:40 PM

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"Maybe it was set to heater mode."

I never knew air-conds could catch fire tbh..
Should be weary of the installation~ hmm.gif

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